Samsung Galaxy Note 4 delivers poor graphics performance vs. Apple iPhone 6 Plus

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  • Reply 161 of 247
    calicali Posts: 3,495member
  • Reply 162 of 247
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    Originally Posted by nikon133 View Post



    Instead, they created crappy iTunes. Sad...

    Agreed. And they gave it away for free.... (although, given how it has evolved, that's a fair price today).

  • Reply 163 of 247
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    Originally Posted by cali View Post



    In other news Apple is doomed:



    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/apple-bad-september-dangers-yearly-173027444.html?.tsrc=applewf



    Had a "bad" September.

    LOL. What a moronic piece. The Comments get him good, though.

     

    Thanks for the link.

  • Reply 164 of 247
    cpsrocpsro Posts: 2,460member
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    Originally Posted by koop View Post

     

    That was my point of view on it. I'm not a photographer, but I only figured the higher megapixels were only beneficial if the camera a large enough lenses that could take in more light. No point in blowing up a picture or zooming in if there's going to be excessive noise. 


    Primarily it's not the size of the aperture for passing light; it's the quality of the optics--and limitations of physics--in such a small lens. The resolving power of a smartphone lens is too poor for more megapixels to be significantly beneficial. Sure, you can gain a little more information by increasing the megapixels, but the returns rapidly diminish beyond the 8 MP of the iPhone. Storage requirements and processing time increase with very little gain in information. Secondarily, the more limited light-gathering ability of smaller pixels on a higher-resolution sensor produces worse results in low light.

     

    We have an analogous situation to roughly 14 years ago when AMD revolutionized the X86 platform with the introduction of AMD64. Intel was compelled to produce ever-faster microprocessors to keep up, but Intel couldn't maintain pace (in terms of computational performance) by playing a GHz game. Eventually Intel had to make the 64-bit transition themselves and introduce other innovations to regain the performance lead.

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    cpsrocpsro Posts: 2,460member
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    Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post



    [...] if you need to crop more data from a picture in a small device then more high quality data is always a good thing. Digital Zoom with video is one area for example, a 1080p video can be at 3x magnification without pixel doubling on a sensor that's in the 18-20MP range and is therefore as good as an optical zoom assuming the sensor is up to it.

    You're neglecting the lens! Smartphone lenses just aren't up to it. More MP in a smartphone sensor isn't necessarily better, using Samsung's devices as prime examples.

  • Reply 166 of 247
    LOL, this kind of news has to make the specs-are-everything Fandroid crowd downright suicidal.
  • Reply 167 of 247
    LOL, this kind of news has to make the specs-are-everything Fandroid crowd downright suicidal.
  • Reply 168 of 247
    ajlajl Posts: 103member
    And don't forget that Samsung cheat its devices with benchmark boosting tricks.
  • Reply 169 of 247
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    ajl wrote: »
    And don't forget that Samsung cheat its devices with benchmark boosting tricks.

    1) It wasn't just Samsung. It was several Android-based OEMs, but some didn't. It also wasn't all devices by a vendor, only select ones.

    2) I think they've stopped that silliness now.
  • Reply 170 of 247
    kibitzerkibitzer Posts: 1,113member
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    Originally Posted by nikon133 View Post





    You are saying that DED was full of crap?!?



    Nope. After digesting the facts, DED concluded that Samsung was full of crap and he filled the pot accordingly.

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    paul94544paul94544 Posts: 1,027member
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    paul94544paul94544 Posts: 1,027member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Kibitzer View Post

     



    Nope. After digesting the facts, DED concluded that Samsung was full of crap and he filled the pot accordingly.



    • July 7, 2004: Jury advised of adverse interference when Samsung allowed emails to be automatically deleted even after it was told to retain relevant emails. After Samsung’s appeal, Judge William Martini found “Samsung’s actions go far beyond mere negligence, demonstrating knowing and intentional conduct.”

    • October 17, 2005: The U.S. Department of Justice fined Samsung nearly $300M for memory price fixing within the U.S.

    • Feb. 7, 2007: U.S. government fined Samsung for $90M for memory chip price fixing for violations in 2006.

    • Jan.15, 2008: Samsung’s offices in Korea were raided after evidence showed that a slush fund was used to bribe government officials and other business leaders.

    • July 16 2008, Samsung chairman, Lee Kun-He was found guilty in Seoul of financial wrongdoing and tax evasion. Despite prosecutor request of seven years in prison, sentence was reduced to three years followed by a pardon by the South Korean Government in 2009 to allow him to help with its successful bid to host the 2018 Winter Olympics. He is now a member of the International Olympic Committee and this ‘pardoned criminal’ returned as Samsung’s Chairman in March 2010.

    • May 19, 2010: The EU Commission fined Samsung for being part of a cartel that shared confidential information and fixed memory chip prices (along with eight other firms).

    • Nov. 1, 2011: The Korean Fair Trade Commission fined Samsung for being part of a cartel that fixed prices and reduced output for TFT-LCD screens between 2001 and 2006.

    • March 15, 2012: The Korean Fair Trade Commission fined Samsung for a mobile phone price fixing scheme and consumer fraud whereby consumers would be paying more than what the discounted prices advertised.

    •  July 25, 2012: Magistrate Grewal informs the jury that they could take into account that “spoliation” of evidence occurred when Samsung destroyed evidence that could have been used in the Apple lawsuit; Samsung had a policy of automatically deleting emails that were two weeks old and should have suspended that policy between August 2010 (when Apple informed Samsung of patent infringement) and April 2011 (when Apple initiated the lawsuit).

    • August 24, 2012 a jury returned a verdict finding Samsung had willfully infringed on Apple’s design and utility patents and had also diluted Apple’s trade dresses related to the iPhone. But Samsung continues to fight the ruling, and continues in their copying behavior.

    • Dec 2012: EU issued a Statement of Objections (SO) against Samsung for abusing its Standard-Essential Patents in not providing FRAND rates. Samsung withdrew all SEP-based injunction requests against Apple in Europe days before the SO was issued, but to no avail.

    • April. 2013, Samsung is accused of and admits hiring people in several countries to falsify reports of HTC phones “constantly crashing” and posting fake benchmark reviews.

    • October 2013 Samsung in confirmed reports from independent and objective testing, found to be intentionally falsifying performance benchmarks of its flagship products: the Galaxy S4 and Note 3.

    Thanks to TeeJay2000 for the research and to FOSS Patents‘ Florian Mueller for spotting Judge Grewel’s court order.

    THERE IS ONE COMPANY MORE EVIL THAN GOOGLE, BUT AT LEAST THEY ADMIT IT. I"M NOT SURE WHICH IS WORSE. MISERY LOVES COMPANY 

    BOYCOTT - GOOGLE AND SAMSUNG

     

     

  • Reply 173 of 247
    kibitzerkibitzer Posts: 1,113member
    paul94544 wrote: »
    <ul style="color:rgb(21,21,21);list-style-image:none;list-style-position:outside;margin-left:0px;"><li style="list-style:disc outside;padding-top:0px;">July 7, 2004: Jury advised of adverse interference when Samsung allowed emails to be automatically deleted even after it was told to retain relevant emails. After Samsung’s appeal, Judge William Martini found “Samsung’s actions go far beyond mere negligence, demonstrating knowing and intentional conduct.”</li>

    <li style="list-style:disc outside;padding-top:0px;">October 17, 2005: The U.S. Department of Justice fined Samsung nearly $300M for memory price fixing within the U.S.</li>

    <li style="list-style:disc outside;padding-top:0px;">Feb. 7, 2007: U.S. government fined Samsung for $90M for memory chip price fixing for violations in 2006.</li>

    <li style="list-style:disc outside;padding-top:0px;">Jan.15, 2008: Samsung’s offices in Korea were raided after evidence showed that a slush fund was used to bribe government officials and other business leaders.</li>

    <li style="list-style:disc outside;padding-top:0px;">July 16 2008, Samsung chairman, Lee Kun-He was found guilty in Seoul of financial wrongdoing and tax evasion. Despite prosecutor request of seven years in prison, sentence was reduced to three years followed by a pardon by the South Korean Government in 2009 to allow him to help with its successful bid to host the 2018 Winter Olympics. He is now a member of the International Olympic Committee and this ‘pardoned criminal’ returned as Samsung’s Chairman in March 2010.</li>

    <li style="list-style:disc outside;padding-top:0px;">May 19, 2010: The EU Commission fined Samsung for being part of a cartel that shared confidential information and fixed memory chip prices (along with eight other firms).</li>

    <li style="list-style:disc outside;padding-top:0px;">Nov. 1, 2011: The Korean Fair Trade Commission fined Samsung for being part of a cartel that fixed prices and reduced output for TFT-LCD screens between 2001 and 2006.</li>

    <li style="list-style:disc outside;padding-top:0px;">March 15, 2012: The Korean Fair Trade Commission fined Samsung for a mobile phone price fixing scheme and consumer fraud whereby consumers would be paying more than what the discounted prices advertised.</li>

    <li style="list-style:disc outside;padding-top:0px;"> July 25, 2012: Magistrate Grewal informs the jury that they could take into account that “spoliation” of evidence occurred when Samsung destroyed evidence that could have been used in the Apple lawsuit; Samsung had a policy of automatically deleting emails that were two weeks old and should have suspended that policy between August 2010 (when Apple informed Samsung of patent infringement) and April 2011 (when Apple initiated the lawsuit).</li>

    <li style="list-style:disc outside;padding-top:0px;">August 24, 2012 a jury returned a verdict finding Samsung had willfully infringed on Apple’s design and utility patents and had also diluted Apple’s trade dresses related to the iPhone. But Samsung continues to fight the ruling, and continues in their copying behavior.</li>

    <li style="list-style:disc outside;padding-top:0px;">Dec 2012: EU issued a Statement of Objections (SO) against Samsung for abusing its Standard-Essential Patents in not providing FRAND rates. Samsung withdrew all SEP-based injunction requests against Apple in Europe days before the SO was issued, but to no avail.</li>

    <li style="list-style:disc outside;padding-top:0px;">April. 2013, Samsung is accused of and admits hiring people in several countries to falsify reports of HTC phones “constantly crashing” and posting fake benchmark reviews.</li>

    <li style="list-style:disc outside;padding-top:0px;">October 2013 Samsung in confirmed reports from independent and objective testing, found to be intentionally falsifying performance benchmarks of its flagship products: the Galaxy S4 and Note 3.</li>

    </ul>
    <p style="color:rgb(21,21,21);margin-bottom:35px;">Thanks to TeeJay2000 for the research and to <a href="http://www.fosspatents.com/2013/10/sanctions-loom-large-samsung-execs-were.html" style="background:transparent;color:rgb(236,65,46);margin:0px;padding:0px;" target="_blank">FOSS Patents</a>
    ‘ Florian Mueller for spotting Judge Grewel’s court order.</p>

    <p style="color:rgb(21,21,21);margin-bottom:35px;">THERE IS ONE COMPANY MORE EVIL THAN GOOGLE, BUT AT LEAST THEY ADMIT IT. I"M NOT SURE WHICH IS WORSE. MISERY LOVES COMPANY </p>

    <p style="color:rgb(21,21,21);margin-bottom:35px;">BOYCOTT - GOOGLE AND SAMSUNG</p>

    <p style="color:rgb(21,21,21);margin-bottom:35px;"> </p>

    <p style="color:rgb(21,21,21);margin-bottom:35px;"> </p>

    Looks like we're going to need a bigger chamber pot. :D
  • Reply 174 of 247
    wizard69wizard69 Posts: 12,791member
    I have been postulating this exact point for the last few years only I don't have your knowledge to back up what for me is just a gut feeling about the trend in Apple's direction.
    I'd like to see a series of ARM based Macs myself. Apple still needs i86 hardware for the foreseeable future though. To deal with that they would need to offer a different product line. My primary desire is much lower cost Mac OS hardware.
    I even suggested that perhaps an addition Intel CPU might be a BTO on higher end Macs equipped with Apple "big iron" for those that do need to virtualize some Windows OS. I remember inserting CP/M-86 cards in Apple ][s so they could run non native OSs. For the most part, for the majority, those days are now behind us thankfully as Microsoft heads towards irrelevance and oblivion.

    The need to run i86 software varies with the owner so Apple can't abandon i86 anytime soon. However A8 with a clock rate boost could certainly handle entry level needs and with more cores be a serviceable work station. In fact I wouldn't be surprised to find A8 running close to my 2008 MBP in performance.

    Given that I wouldn't expect Apple to build a machine on A8 without beefing it up. The chip would need more cores, higher clock rates, larger cach and most importantly a enhanced RAM interfacing. Such a chip shouldn't be anymore of a challenge for Apple than it is for Intel.

    I really like the idea of a Mac in a keyboard. That is just one possibility for these new low power chips.
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    wizard69wizard69 Posts: 12,791member
    relic wrote: »
    I love the pictures my Nokia 1020 take;

    Clipped bee photo?

    The true test of a camera is a selfie????. So if you want us to believe that Nokia is up to snuff a self portrait is in order.
  • Reply 176 of 247
    wizard69wizard69 Posts: 12,791member

    Someday, when computing is ubiquitous, perhaps we'll transcend the reductionist focus on processor speed benchmarks as a linear measure of "better" and focus on the qualities of the entire product such as features and experience. Apple achieved this with the iPod Nano (who even cares what chipset it uses?), and I hope the Apple Watch will sit on the same side of sanity. But as long as tech websites continue to treat smart watches as nothing but another touchscreen device strapped to your wrist, the focus on benchmarks will continue.

    The problem here is the SoC directly impacts the user experience. Contrary to what people think I believe that Apple is a long ways from having the processor that can deliver everything they want in iOS. To me it is most interesting that the GPU and the CPU are less than half the die area on the A8.
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    relicrelic Posts: 4,735member
    Quote:

     posted by wizard69 View Post





    Clipped bee photo?



    The true test of a camera is a self. So if you want us to believe that Nokia is up to snuff a self portrait is in order.

    Wizard, can I wait till I have a little more hair and gained a few pounds. I don't mind doing it, but I also don't want people knowing just how bad I'm actually doing here.

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    relicrelic Posts: 4,735member
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    Originally Posted by EricTheHalfBee View Post

     

     

    Exactly. The iPhone 6/6P is fast, easy and takes pretty damn good shots for a smartphone.I.e

    If I was going to put up with the 1020 to try and get better shots than a simple "point & shoot camera/phone" then I'd use my D700. Only 12MP, but it'll kill the 41MP of the 1020.

     

    And I sure as hell won't put up with the rest of the 1020 as a phone just for the camera.


     

    Though the Nokia 1020 isn't the fastest shooter it has gotten a lot faster with software updates. Also when you shoot in normal mode, i.e. turn off full resolution it becomes a lot faster. I'm not sure what you meant by, put up with the rest of the phone as the OS is very intuitive, fast and actually fun to use. Have you actually used say a Lumia 930, I think in all honestly even the most staunch iOS user would like it. Though it's like anything else, if go you into it with a closed mind, no matter how good it is, most around these parts will shoot it down simply because it isn't an Apple product.

  • Reply 179 of 247
    relicrelic Posts: 4,735member
    wizard69 wrote: »
    Clipped bee photo?

    The true test of a camera is a selfie????. So if you want us to believe that Nokia is up to snuff a self portrait is in order.

    Have you every asked a bee to hold still and say cheese, not a very a easy thing to achomplish, especially when their always so beesy.
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    relicrelic Posts: 4,735member
    redhotfuzz wrote: »
    LOL, this kind of news has to make the specs-are-everything Fandroid crowd downright suicidal.

    I personally would never buy a Samsung phone as I hate, hate TouchWiz or any Android distro that is skinned heavily. However there is absolutely no game that is currently in the Google Play store that the Note 4 will not be able to play and play well. My two year old Nexus 10 has an Exynos CPU and a 2K display resolution and I have yet to see a game which doesn't run on it with at least 30FPS. Even games like Modern Combat 5 will play without so much as a hiccup, even when connected to a 1080p TV via HDMI or Miracast. There is defiantly something rotten in Denmark though with this new Mali GPU, I wonder where the bottleneck is, I also would like to see if the benchmarks would be any different with an unmolested version of Android 5. Is Samsung going to turn on the 64bit portion of the chip, I would in light of these benchmarks, though it only seems to be the GPU that's having troubles as CPU benchmarks look pretty good. Though I'm starting to sound like a broken record, at the end of the day these or any benchmarks are arbitrary, if the device has the feature set your looking for and it runs the apps that you need smoothly, all of this is just moot. Apple users will continue to buy iPhones and be happy, just like Samsung users who buy the Note will be.

    I'm just amazed at how powerful mobile chips have gotten. My Nokia 2520 with a Qualcomm 800 CPU runs MS Office just as well as my Surface 3 that has a mobile version of the Intel i7, well as far as opening docs, saving, typing, you do start to notice some lag when dealing with thousands of lines in Excel using Visual Basic but nothing that would frustrate the user.
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