Thanks to our investigative user [@]digitalclips[/@] it seems that the local storage of iCD has to be on the boot volume. That means an iCD may not be larger than your startup disk, a thing to consider when using, say, a 256GB SSG and wanting a 500GB iCD. For in depth review, see this post
I have updated that post with more information to clarify. To be honest, it is becoming clear to me Apple designed this to be very simple for the home user. Not at all for pros who will need other solutions, that said AiCD will also be fabulous for the usual family eco system. So I personally have got over my initial shock and see it for what it is. A fast no brainer for the average user. Not a tool for large file off site storage. To be fair Apple never said it was except for the phrase ... 'drag anything you want ..." but I guess to add ..." as long as the size of 'anything' is less than the available space on your boot volume' would have sounded a bit ominous. LOL
Apple finally has Dropbox, unless you use Dropbox because you want to share files and folders with various individuals.
Soli, Does drop box have this same watched folder on your boot drive that ultimately limits the file size to that of available space on your boot drive. Apple's iCloud Drive would be a nice solution if this watched folder could be relocated. As it is my available space is so small on a new Mac Pro's SSD as to be useless. Also, does Drop Box upload only when activity is low like Apple iCD? I know it has sharing which is nice and Apple doesn't.
When I click on help and i read about how to use iCloud Drive it says I can drag files and folders from my mac to iCloud Drive and it will copy the file there, but leave a copy on my mac. However, when I do this the file or folder doesn't stay on my mac. It's no longer there.
Am I misunderstanding how it works? Do I need to duplicate the file or folder before dragging it iCloud Drive?
Thanks!
Hold the Option Key while you drag. Since 10.9 (I think) Apple changed the default way drag works and has made it 'Move' not 'Copy' in certain situations. The same is true of going to another Mac to get a version of a file from iCloud Drive. If you drag it off it 'removes' it. If like most people I am sure, you simply want a copy on the other Mac, you need to hold the option key and 'copy' it.
Soli, Does drop box have this same watched folder on your boot drive that ultimately limits the file size to that of available space on your boot drive. Apple's iCloud Drive would be a nice solution if this watched folder could be relocated. As it is my available space is so small on a new Mac Pro's SSD as to be useless. Also, does Drop Box upload only when activity is low like Apple iCD? I know it has sharing which is nice and Apple doesn't.
It doesn't, and while Dropbox has selective Sync I think it's still all based on a root Dropbox folder you can place anywhere. Sugar Sync, on the other hand, lets you pick and choose the folders you want to sync. If, for example, you want to have your Desktop folder synced as well as some folder on an external drive you can simply select those anywhere in your system.
Dropbox is only $99/yr for a terabyte vs $20/mo for a terabyte on iCloud
I must test it out, my concern is if it also uses a watched folder on a start up drive and duplicates all files to be uploaded there first.
It may be using both is the answer, each has its own strengths. Apple's iCD certainly has its own strong points and of course nothing can or ever will compete with it for the family shared Apple eco system per se, but for off line storage form pros and sharing Drop Box seems to offer more assuming, as I say, it doesn't impact the boot volume storage as does AiCD..
It doesn't, and while Dropbox has selective Sync I think it's still all based on a root Dropbox folder you can place anywhere. Sugar Sync, on the other hand, lets you pick and choose the folders you want to sync. If, for example, you want to have your Desktop folder synced as well as some folder on an external drive you can simply select those anywhere in your system.
Pros and cons all around for each service.
Awesome, thanks you saved me all the testing! Then I will be using both AiCD and Drop Box it seems, each to its own best use.
If Apple simply adopt that strategy they'd have a winner (except for price)... but something tells me they though this through and don't want iCD used that way. It is yet again aimed squarely at the home user. Apple folks aren't stupid, this wasn't designed this way by accident. The Apple way is a no brainer to use and how it works irrelevant to the average user and it seems so fast because of the smoke and mirrors. No set up ... it just works. Apple I am sure expect the likes of us to use alternative products for multi GIG file storage.
BTW I was surprised to see my data going up to an Amazon server not Apple!
Awesome, thanks you saved me all the testing! Then I will be using both AiCD and Drop Box it seems, each to its own best use.
If Apple simply adopt that strategy they'd have a winner (except for price)... but something tells me they though this through and don't want iCD used that way. It is yet again aimed squarely at the home user. Apple folks aren't stupid, this wasn't designed this way by accident. The Apple way is a no brainer to use and how it works irrelevant to the average user and it seems so fast because of the smoke and mirrors. No set up ... it just works. Apple I am sure expect the likes of us to use alternative products for multi GIG file storage.
The good news — and perhaps I'm being too optimistic here — is that I no longer have to read comments about missing iDisk which offered no encryption and uses FTP for the transport protocol so any interrupting in the transfer required the entirety of the entire file(s) to be sent again.
It might just be a poor choice of words on their part. Anything you see in iCloud Drive in Finder is on your Mac (just like Dropbox folders and files you see in Finder are on your Mac). If they specifically say they will make a copy in the current location on your Mac -and- create a duplicate copy in iCloud Drive (in the same manner than one creates a copy when copying to a connected network share) then that is not what iCD is currently doing for me.
Since you really only need one copy of the file on your device (assuming you have a backup system), iCD should be used to store items you want available across devices.
This is yet another example where those who used Mac for years get more confused at times than newbies.
BTW: It is also worth pointing out that if another user drags it off the cloud then it's gone from the cloud and the original poster's watched folder (once he empties his trash that is). So if the original creator of the file was sharing but not wanting to lose the file I can see some hair being pulled out when it gets dragged off the cloud by someone else rather than being option-dragged. That last part is not as user friendly as Apple usually is. I suppose the thinking here is both users are the same person ... so that would not matter but a family could easily share such a set up with the shared ID. or let's be honest, a small office bending the rules. Haha and so i explain my own posed question ... hence why it works this way!
The good news — and perhaps I'm being too optimistic here — is that I no longer have to read comments about missing iDisk which offered no encryption and uses FTP for the transport protocol so any interrupting in the transfer required the entirety of the entire file(s) to be sent again.
I hear you lol. I still prefer my own FTP server anyway and use Crush. I never did like iDisk much as you say, it was as flakey as hell. Nor that whole MobileMe thing come to think of it.
Dropbox is only $99/yr for a terabyte vs $20/mo for a terabyte on iCloud
I must test it out, my concern is if it also uses a watched folder on a start up drive and duplicates all files to be uploaded there first.
It may be using both is the answer, each has its own strengths. Apple's iCD certainly has its own strong points and of course nothing can or ever will compete with it for the family shared Apple eco system per se, but for off line storage form pros and sharing Drop Box seems to offer more assuming, as I say, it doesn't impact the boot volume storage as does AiCD..
Soli, Does drop box have this same watched folder on your boot drive that ultimately limits the file size to that of available space on your boot drive. Apple's iCloud Drive would be a nice solution if this watched folder could be relocated. As it is my available space is so small on a new Mac Pro's SSD as to be useless. Also, does Drop Box upload only when activity is low like Apple iCD? I know it has sharing which is nice and Apple doesn't.
It doesn't, and while Dropbox has selective Sync I think it's still all based on a root Dropbox folder you can place anywhere. Sugar Sync, on the other hand, lets you pick and choose the folders you want to sync. If, for example, you want to have your Desktop folder synced as well as some folder on an external drive you can simply select those anywhere in your system.
Pros and cons all around for each service.
Note, however, that you can create symbolic links (not aliases) to any directories on any drive on your system and place that link in your Dropbox directory (avoiding directories that include the DB directory in their heirarchy of course). DB will then include the contents of those directories as if they were in the DB directory.
Hold the Option Key while you drag. Since 10.9 (I think) Apple changed the default way drag works and has made it 'Move' not 'Copy' in certain situations. The same is true of going to another Mac to get a version of a file from iCloud Drive. If you drag it off it 'removes' it. If like most people I am sure, you simply want a copy on the other Mac, you need to hold the option key and 'copy' it.
Can iCloud Drive be used to make a Time Machine backup? I'd like to backup a cloud copy of my external HD.
It's obvious Apple will eventually add sharing. It's important to make sure the basics work 1st, and get people used to the concept. iCloud drive will be so much more than dropbox, and for any Mac/iOS user, so much more integrated.
yeah. the flipperbabies on MacRumors are already hung up on the lack of sharing, completely unable to see the forest from the trees. as if it will never depart from its current featureset. evar.
Looks like the folks over at Dropbox have nothing to worry about for the time being.
hmm, who else said something like that? i think it was a software guy. what was his name.... oh, yes, Steve Ballmer -- when he laughed at the iPhone. that was before he was fired.
I don't get it, what exactly is so special about this. I have been able to upload any file type I choose in OneDrive and Google Drive plus share for a very long time now, what exactly is different here. iCloud is defiantly catching up in the feature department which is great
why do you think it's supposed to be different here?
dropbox-like functionality is, as Jobs told Dropbox's founder, a feature, not a product.
The finder like window for iCloud on iOS devices looks awesome. But how do you actually access it?
from inside apps. the MR community is up in arms about the lack of an iOS app, but the point of iOS is that its app-driven. apps can now browse iCD to find files.
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Seriously? Hazel is great for all kinds of chores.
I have updated that post with more information to clarify. To be honest, it is becoming clear to me Apple designed this to be very simple for the home user. Not at all for pros who will need other solutions, that said AiCD will also be fabulous for the usual family eco system. So I personally have got over my initial shock and see it for what it is. A fast no brainer for the average user. Not a tool for large file off site storage. To be fair Apple never said it was except for the phrase ... 'drag anything you want ..." but I guess to add ..." as long as the size of 'anything' is less than the available space on your boot volume' would have sounded a bit ominous. LOL
Soli, Does drop box have this same watched folder on your boot drive that ultimately limits the file size to that of available space on your boot drive. Apple's iCloud Drive would be a nice solution if this watched folder could be relocated. As it is my available space is so small on a new Mac Pro's SSD as to be useless. Also, does Drop Box upload only when activity is low like Apple iCD? I know it has sharing which is nice and Apple doesn't.
Hold the Option Key while you drag. Since 10.9 (I think) Apple changed the default way drag works and has made it 'Move' not 'Copy' in certain situations. The same is true of going to another Mac to get a version of a file from iCloud Drive. If you drag it off it 'removes' it. If like most people I am sure, you simply want a copy on the other Mac, you need to hold the option key and 'copy' it.
It doesn't, and while Dropbox has selective Sync I think it's still all based on a root Dropbox folder you can place anywhere. Sugar Sync, on the other hand, lets you pick and choose the folders you want to sync. If, for example, you want to have your Desktop folder synced as well as some folder on an external drive you can simply select those anywhere in your system.
Pros and cons all around for each service.
I must test it out, my concern is if it also uses a watched folder on a start up drive and duplicates all files to be uploaded there first.
It may be using both is the answer, each has its own strengths. Apple's iCD certainly has its own strong points and of course nothing can or ever will compete with it for the family shared Apple eco system per se, but for off line storage form pros and sharing Drop Box seems to offer more assuming, as I say, it doesn't impact the boot volume storage as does AiCD..
Asked and answered by Soli
Awesome, thanks you saved me all the testing! Then I will be using both AiCD and Drop Box it seems, each to its own best use.
If Apple simply adopt that strategy they'd have a winner (except for price)... but something tells me they though this through and don't want iCD used that way. It is yet again aimed squarely at the home user. Apple folks aren't stupid, this wasn't designed this way by accident. The Apple way is a no brainer to use and how it works irrelevant to the average user and it seems so fast because of the smoke and mirrors. No set up ... it just works. Apple I am sure expect the likes of us to use alternative products for multi GIG file storage.
BTW I was surprised to see my data going up to an Amazon server not Apple!
Unfortunately there is no direct way to handle PDFs in iCloud Drive with iOS8.
The good news — and perhaps I'm being too optimistic here — is that I no longer have to read comments about missing iDisk which offered no encryption and uses FTP for the transport protocol so any interrupting in the transfer required the entirety of the entire file(s) to be sent again.
This is yet another example where those who used Mac for years get more confused at times than newbies.
BTW: It is also worth pointing out that if another user drags it off the cloud then it's gone from the cloud and the original poster's watched folder (once he empties his trash that is). So if the original creator of the file was sharing but not wanting to lose the file I can see some hair being pulled out when it gets dragged off the cloud by someone else rather than being option-dragged. That last part is not as user friendly as Apple usually is. I suppose the thinking here is both users are the same person ... so that would not matter but a family could easily share such a set up with the shared ID. or let's be honest, a small office bending the rules. Haha and so i explain my own posed question ... hence why it works this way!
I hear you lol. I still prefer my own FTP server anyway and use Crush. I never did like iDisk much as you say, it was as flakey as hell. Nor that whole MobileMe thing come to think of it.
We can can't we? ... He says rushing off to see ...
Note, however, that you can create symbolic links (not aliases) to any directories on any drive on your system and place that link in your Dropbox directory (avoiding directories that include the DB directory in their heirarchy of course). DB will then include the contents of those directories as if they were in the DB directory.
Can iCloud Drive be used to make a Time Machine backup? I'd like to backup a cloud copy of my external HD.
We’d’ve had this and more years ago had Dropbox given in to Apple’s offer.
I've had file sharing before and after Apple's offer to Dropbox.
It's obvious Apple will eventually add sharing. It's important to make sure the basics work 1st, and get people used to the concept. iCloud drive will be so much more than dropbox, and for any Mac/iOS user, so much more integrated.
yeah. the flipperbabies on MacRumors are already hung up on the lack of sharing, completely unable to see the forest from the trees. as if it will never depart from its current featureset. evar.
Looks like the folks over at Dropbox have nothing to worry about for the time being.
hmm, who else said something like that? i think it was a software guy. what was his name.... oh, yes, Steve Ballmer -- when he laughed at the iPhone. that was before he was fired.
I don't get it, what exactly is so special about this. I have been able to upload any file type I choose in OneDrive and Google Drive plus share for a very long time now, what exactly is different here. iCloud is defiantly catching up in the feature department which is great
why do you think it's supposed to be different here?
dropbox-like functionality is, as Jobs told Dropbox's founder, a feature, not a product.
The finder like window for iCloud on iOS devices looks awesome. But how do you actually access it?
from inside apps. the MR community is up in arms about the lack of an iOS app, but the point of iOS is that its app-driven. apps can now browse iCD to find files.