for those who would gloat ... apple will be in the same position one day. not if, but when. just sayin'.
Apple's already been there, and worse. Tune your Way-Back Machine to 1997. Apple was much closer to the brink than Samsung is now. No one can predict the future, but the past shows us that Apple is one resilient company.
They have made and are still making a lot of money using Android. I don't expect them to stop being the dominant Android OEM anytime soon. They also didn't stop making chips and are still making millions of chips per quarter for Apple.
"dominant Android OEM"
That's kind of lost its luster, what with Apple owning some 75% of the profits, and the accelerating OEM race to the bottom. Meanwhile, Google has increased its hold over the OEM's and actually is giving the OEM's even less room to differentiate product.
I know it's a lot of work but I'm surprised Apple didn't have several countries on the ready for ?Pay.
I'm not. With a new service like this, Apple tends to be conservative at launch, sticking to one region. And they should, thats the responsible thing to do. Once they can test it with millions, and make sure everything is ironed out and works perfectly, then they can think about that. Just like how Touch ID was only on phones the 1st yr, and limited to Apple's software.
The problem is that Fandroids will also quote this because they equate more phones sold to more market share which is always better according to simpleton math.
Ah yes. The loosing money on each sale but making it by selling more strategy !
Samsungs chip division made more profit than its Mobile division. LOL
Why is this happenning?
Because Apple released the large phones. Checkmate.
All the big phone haters here need to admit the large phones was the smartest thing Apple has done in a while. Samsungs profits are down to 2011 levels aka before the big samsung phone era.
I don't think the iPhone 6/6Plus had much to do with it. It came out with only 11 days left in the quarter.
True. And Google will likely convince itself that it's winning even more with the likes of the bottom-feeding, shameless, copyists such as Xiaomi since the aggregate numbers will be larger.
Remember their 'billion' (or whatever the ridiculous number was) activations?
Well, Google is "winning" because to them, market share actually means something in terms of revenue. The OEMs, however, need to rely on hardware for revenue.
I know i am just doing a Duane Eddy ...rebel rousing Of course these things cannot end overnight nor…
Thumbs up for that reference. Wonder how many here got it?
You know what else cannot end overnight? The sound of those horns in my head. I have a feeling it will take a while for me to get them out of my head (a good thing) and back to sleep. Enjoy the day!
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You do realize that Apple's latest results included just nine days of sales of the new iPhones, and Samsung's results are all from before the new iPhones, so your conclusion isn't very logical!
Unless the mere rumor of a larger iPhone caused sales of Galaxies and Notes to slow.
So that means they haven't made any profits up until this point? That means they can't possibly make any profit in the future? That means another Android-based OEM will become the dominate player for this current quarter? Finally, that means Samsung isn't currently making chips for Apple?
That is everything in my comment. Now please explain to me which part(s) are not accurate that would lead to you being so sure I don't understand the term "a drop in profits," which is not the same as going from a net profit to a net loss.
Correct! Samsung is still making profit, alot. And apple is supplying part of that profit and will continue to because there is not a single conpany capable of suplying all the chips apple need. So they apple needs more than 1 supplyer. Samsung also has their base of fans. (Not as loyal as apple's) and samsung has a wide variety if products, so they will continue to make profit. The hard reality is that samsung is nit going anywhere any time soon. Some if their products may, but samsung as a whole will continue to exist. Like someone said samsung is wounded that makes them dangerous. For now apple just need to continue doing their best and keep on top of their game and everything will be fine.
Apple has to be careful here. Their competitor is also their supplier and if Samsung feels threatened they could cause a disruption to Apples supply chain.
I would believe (with this being Mr. Cook's expertise to diversify the supply chain) would and should have contingency plan for this as I hope they have the same for Sapphire supply.
for those who would gloat ... apple will be in the same position one day. not if, but when. just sayin'.
As usual, you're just sayin'. What you are missing is what Samsung and every other imitator of Apple is missing:
Focus on the user first, and make the product best for the user. Other companies focus on how they themselves are going to win and survive. Those companies will fall apart like you're just sayin'.
Focus on the product for the user was built into the company by the very smart founder. It's not easy, and we see Apple seem to slip up from time to time, but their overall trajectory is holding.
There's a lot of social history for why this happened in the place and time it did just there around Palo Alto, aside from Jobs's genius, but suffice it to say that Apple has a built-in self-awareness and earnestness before its task that will make it the exception to your common and cheap Darwinism.
The problem is that Fandroids will also quote this because they equate more phones sold to more market share which is always better according to simpleton math.
Yeah! I just love the logic that says, I got 100 pennies and you have 5 quarters, therefore I win, because I have more coins than you.
There's something unique about Apple as well, for the last twenty years people have been predicting it's doom. So Apple always has to work under this atmosphere of "they think we're doomed". Gotta be irritating enough that they keep trying to prove the naysayers wrong.
I kind of doubt that they pay much attention to that crap, except from an overt public relations stance. Apple itself knows better than anyone how well they're doing, after all. How many companies have their customers routinely line up days in advance for their new products—worldwide?! How many companies have their own retail stores, to say nothing of the NUMBER of retail stores they have and operate profitably—worldwide?! How many companies have cash reserves in the hundreds of billions of dollars, to say nothing of QUARTERLY PROFITS in the billions of dollars?!
In case you hadn't noticed the world isn't "fair" by any stretch of the imagination. So any "irritation" over its unfairness is entirely wasted attention or effort.
To me, Apple rather disregards the noise, and as an effective team simply gets and keeps the show on the road, so to speak.
It's a thing of beauty, which I believe should serve as a model and inspiration to all of us.
for those who would gloat ... apple will be in the same position one day. not if, but when. just sayin'.
You absolutely do not know that.
Business 101 says every company has it's peak, and then steadies out, and then goes into decline.
But Apple has already broken plenty of business 101 rules and is still winning.
They put themselves in a much stronger position than any other company on the planet. The platforms they branch out, the ecosystem they have, and the value they add to their products means they're here to stay. If their management continues to employ smart, forward thinking individuals like themselves, then Apple has a very bright future.
Especially right now for the next forseeable decade, Apple is absolutely going to dominate the smartphone, tablet and PC market.
Every other OEM is only in decline or nonprofit. Apple is not only seeing growth with it's products over the past few years, but the services and software they are creating are only making their products even more sticky. Examples being continuity and handoff, Apple Pay, iCloud Drive.
If you have an iPhone, why would you chose a Windows PC when a Mac works integrates with your other devices better? In Apple's world, devices work better together than alone, 1+1=3.
Because of this stickiness, Apple may be the first company to continue to stay in the dominant position it is in now and continue to dominate.
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He's saying it because nothing lasts forever, as marvelous as Apple's accomplishments are
(and will continue to be, for however long).
It isn't as though anyone's wishing for it.
But you always chase the lead dog, and, sooner or later, a better dog comes along.
And, as industries go, this is an especially volatile one by nature.
Let's just enjoy it and hope we have years and years to do so.
Today will also be a watershed moment worth watching at Faux News, where all the ultraconservative commentators will be gnashing their teeth. They'll lament the destruction of patriotic, red-blooded heterosexual Corporate America. They'll call for boycotts of Apple products. They'll report breaking news - reactionary religious zealots will be organizing bonfires on their church front lawns where the true believers can trash and burn all their iDevices.
for those who would gloat ... apple will be in the same position one day. not if, but when. just sayin'.
Wrong. Absolutely NOTHING is inevitable, and as long as you try to predict the future by extrapolating from the past, you'll continue to be wrong.
Apple's culture is fundamentally different than Samsung's.
It should be obvious by simply observing Samsung's products and from observing how the company has conducted itself in various areas: patent infringement, litigation, advertising, etc. The words "belligerent", "unscrupulous", "boorish", "out of touch" come to mind. All these factors which are "wrong" have to have consequences, and I thing we're beginning to see them manifest themselves.
In (stark) contrast, Apple's culture has been keenly focused on producing the best possible products, and all of its organization has been established to support and back that. How many other companies do that? Precious few. But those that do tend to survive much longer. So if Apple can maintain its identity, its character, its quality, they stand a good chance of surviving and out-surviving most any other company.
Anyone who states that nothing is inevitable has been drinking too long (or not long enough). Will you live forever? Is it possible that the US Government won't ask for taxes on income next year? Maybe I'm a pessimist, but I think these are both inevitable. People might get caught up in the statistics, stating "While there is a 99.99999999999999999999999999999% chance Apple won't be the market leader forever, that still isn't 100%." I would argue that these people are not firmly grounded in reality. I mean, perhaps it's possible that the in-vogue mobile device for the graduating class of 3014 will be the iPhone 1513S... It's possible, right? Right? But somehow I don't think so. At risk of sounding foolish, I would be willing to go out on a limb and state that, yes, it's inevitable that Apple will one day lose their lead. Sorry!
I’m thinking of all those Samsung ads making fun of iPhone users, millions and millions of dollars spent skewering Apple, its products, its customers. And it was all for naught.
I’m thinking of all those iHaters for whom Samsung was ‘The One’ who would finally kill Apple. Now they have to find another savior.
So it turns out that all this Samsung smack was an illusion the whole time.
Should we pop the champagne now or wait until this filthy beast stops breathing?
Glad to hear that Samsung is struggling but I won't gloat, yet. A wounded animal tends to be extremely dangerous before it dies. If the animal survives it tends to become even more cunning and dangerous than it was before.
Every company has its ups and downs, and with the downs comes layoffs and people's livelihood falls in jeopardy, and no one wants that. That being said, I remember Steve Jobs saying that "For Apple to win, Microsoft has to lose" is not the way to think about Apple's future. And it took a big man, with a big ego, to show us that the race in the tech business is never won, it's never conquered. And Samsung should take Steve Jobs' advice, and just go and make the best products they can and be proud of them, not copy what other companies have done or mock other companies' products. It shows weakness in their culture. They need to go back to the drawing board, take a look at their talent, and come out with someone brilliant. And if they can't in the way of product, they should be happy with the fact that they make several of the parts that go inside some the best tech products in the world, like Apple's A chips as one example. Be proud of the "Samsung Inside" mantra and learn to make money in other ways. Chasing after Apple's "celebrity" status is never going to work for them, so stop trying to be the "us too" company and just be great at what you do best. The problem with Samsung is they have yet to figure out what that is...
They'll just hire away Hugo Barra from Xiaomi, a company that is an even bigger thief.
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Demand is still high in the US, too.
I know it's a lot of work but I'm surprised Apple didn't have several countries on the ready for ?Pay.
Apple's already been there, and worse. Tune your Way-Back Machine to 1997. Apple was much closer to the brink than Samsung is now. No one can predict the future, but the past shows us that Apple is one resilient company.
They have made and are still making a lot of money using Android. I don't expect them to stop being the dominant Android OEM anytime soon. They also didn't stop making chips and are still making millions of chips per quarter for Apple.
"dominant Android OEM"
That's kind of lost its luster, what with Apple owning some 75% of the profits, and the accelerating OEM race to the bottom. Meanwhile, Google has increased its hold over the OEM's and actually is giving the OEM's even less room to differentiate product.
This isn't going to end well for the OEM's.
Demand is still high in the US, too.
- http://www.seaturtle.org/idevice/iphone6_grid.shtml
I know it's a lot of work but I'm surprised Apple didn't have several countries on the ready for ?Pay.I'm not. With a new service like this, Apple tends to be conservative at launch, sticking to one region. And they should, thats the responsible thing to do. Once they can test it with millions, and make sure everything is ironed out and works perfectly, then they can think about that. Just like how Touch ID was only on phones the 1st yr, and limited to Apple's software.
The problem is that Fandroids will also quote this because they equate more phones sold to more market share which is always better according to simpleton math.
Ah yes. The loosing money on each sale but making it by selling more strategy !
I don't think the iPhone 6/6Plus had much to do with it. It came out with only 11 days left in the quarter.
Well, Google is "winning" because to them, market share actually means something in terms of revenue. The OEMs, however, need to rely on hardware for revenue.
Thumbs up for that reference. Wonder how many here got it?
You know what else cannot end overnight? The sound of those horns in my head. I have a feeling it will take a while for me to get them out of my head (a good thing) and back to sleep. Enjoy the day!
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Shameskunk is DOOMED!!!
You do realize that Apple's latest results included just nine days of sales of the new iPhones, and Samsung's results are all from before the new iPhones, so your conclusion isn't very logical!
Unless the mere rumor of a larger iPhone caused sales of Galaxies and Notes to slow.
Correct! Samsung is still making profit, alot. And apple is supplying part of that profit and will continue to because there is not a single conpany capable of suplying all the chips apple need. So they apple needs more than 1 supplyer. Samsung also has their base of fans. (Not as loyal as apple's) and samsung has a wide variety if products, so they will continue to make profit. The hard reality is that samsung is nit going anywhere any time soon. Some if their products may, but samsung as a whole will continue to exist. Like someone said samsung is wounded that makes them dangerous. For now apple just need to continue doing their best and keep on top of their game and everything will be fine.
I would believe (with this being Mr. Cook's expertise to diversify the supply chain) would and should have contingency plan for this as I hope they have the same for Sapphire supply.
Just putting my thoughts out there...
As usual, you're just sayin'. What you are missing is what Samsung and every other imitator of Apple is missing:
Focus on the user first, and make the product best for the user. Other companies focus on how they themselves are going to win and survive. Those companies will fall apart like you're just sayin'.
Focus on the product for the user was built into the company by the very smart founder. It's not easy, and we see Apple seem to slip up from time to time, but their overall trajectory is holding.
There's a lot of social history for why this happened in the place and time it did just there around Palo Alto, aside from Jobs's genius, but suffice it to say that Apple has a built-in self-awareness and earnestness before its task that will make it the exception to your common and cheap Darwinism.
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-10-30/tim-cook-im-proud-to-be-gay
There's something unique about Apple as well, for the last twenty years people have been predicting it's doom. So Apple always has to work under this atmosphere of "they think we're doomed". Gotta be irritating enough that they keep trying to prove the naysayers wrong.
I kind of doubt that they pay much attention to that crap, except from an overt public relations stance. Apple itself knows better than anyone how well they're doing, after all. How many companies have their customers routinely line up days in advance for their new products—worldwide?! How many companies have their own retail stores, to say nothing of the NUMBER of retail stores they have and operate profitably—worldwide?! How many companies have cash reserves in the hundreds of billions of dollars, to say nothing of QUARTERLY PROFITS in the billions of dollars?!
In case you hadn't noticed the world isn't "fair" by any stretch of the imagination. So any "irritation" over its unfairness is entirely wasted attention or effort.
To me, Apple rather disregards the noise, and as an effective team simply gets and keeps the show on the road, so to speak.
It's a thing of beauty, which I believe should serve as a model and inspiration to all of us.
for those who would gloat ... apple will be in the same position one day. not if, but when. just sayin'.
You absolutely do not know that.
Business 101 says every company has it's peak, and then steadies out, and then goes into decline.
But Apple has already broken plenty of business 101 rules and is still winning.
They put themselves in a much stronger position than any other company on the planet. The platforms they branch out, the ecosystem they have, and the value they add to their products means they're here to stay. If their management continues to employ smart, forward thinking individuals like themselves, then Apple has a very bright future.
Especially right now for the next forseeable decade, Apple is absolutely going to dominate the smartphone, tablet and PC market.
Every other OEM is only in decline or nonprofit. Apple is not only seeing growth with it's products over the past few years, but the services and software they are creating are only making their products even more sticky. Examples being continuity and handoff, Apple Pay, iCloud Drive.
If you have an iPhone, why would you chose a Windows PC when a Mac works integrates with your other devices better? In Apple's world, devices work better together than alone, 1+1=3.
Because of this stickiness, Apple may be the first company to continue to stay in the dominant position it is in now and continue to dominate.
He's saying it because nothing lasts forever, as marvelous as Apple's accomplishments are
(and will continue to be, for however long).
It isn't as though anyone's wishing for it.
But you always chase the lead dog, and, sooner or later, a better dog comes along.
And, as industries go, this is an especially volatile one by nature.
Let's just enjoy it and hope we have years and years to do so.
See comments above.
Today will also be a watershed moment worth watching at Faux News, where all the ultraconservative commentators will be gnashing their teeth. They'll lament the destruction of patriotic, red-blooded heterosexual Corporate America. They'll call for boycotts of Apple products. They'll report breaking news - reactionary religious zealots will be organizing bonfires on their church front lawns where the true believers can trash and burn all their iDevices.
for those who would gloat ... apple will be in the same position one day. not if, but when. just sayin'.
Wrong. Absolutely NOTHING is inevitable, and as long as you try to predict the future by extrapolating from the past, you'll continue to be wrong.
Apple's culture is fundamentally different than Samsung's.
It should be obvious by simply observing Samsung's products and from observing how the company has conducted itself in various areas: patent infringement, litigation, advertising, etc. The words "belligerent", "unscrupulous", "boorish", "out of touch" come to mind. All these factors which are "wrong" have to have consequences, and I thing we're beginning to see them manifest themselves.
In (stark) contrast, Apple's culture has been keenly focused on producing the best possible products, and all of its organization has been established to support and back that. How many other companies do that? Precious few. But those that do tend to survive much longer. So if Apple can maintain its identity, its character, its quality, they stand a good chance of surviving and out-surviving most any other company.
Anyone who states that nothing is inevitable has been drinking too long (or not long enough). Will you live forever? Is it possible that the US Government won't ask for taxes on income next year? Maybe I'm a pessimist, but I think these are both inevitable. People might get caught up in the statistics, stating "While there is a 99.99999999999999999999999999999% chance Apple won't be the market leader forever, that still isn't 100%." I would argue that these people are not firmly grounded in reality. I mean, perhaps it's possible that the in-vogue mobile device for the graduating class of 3014 will be the iPhone 1513S... It's possible, right? Right? But somehow I don't think so. At risk of sounding foolish, I would be willing to go out on a limb and state that, yes, it's inevitable that Apple will one day lose their lead. Sorry!
and that's how you do thermonuclear
I’m thinking of all those Samsung ads making fun of iPhone users, millions and millions of dollars spent skewering Apple, its products, its customers. And it was all for naught.
I’m thinking of all those iHaters for whom Samsung was ‘The One’ who would finally kill Apple. Now they have to find another savior.
So it turns out that all this Samsung smack was an illusion the whole time.
Yet another dragon slayed by Apple.
Should we pop the champagne now or wait until this filthy beast stops breathing?
Glad to hear that Samsung is struggling but I won't gloat, yet. A wounded animal tends to be extremely dangerous before it dies. If the animal survives it tends to become even more cunning and dangerous than it was before.
Cute! But not very realistic.
They'll just hire away Hugo Barra from Xiaomi, a company that is an even bigger thief.