for those who would gloat ... apple will be in the same position one day. not if, but when. just sayin'.
It's possible but not probable. Apple continues to increase their R&D budget in order to innovate. Products are not released until they are ready. Apple controls the hardware and software which allows them create secure, easy to use, fast, no compromise products. They don't fill the iPhone or iPad with bloatware and refuse to allow the carriers to add it either. Their advertising focuses on the features of their product instead of tearing down the competitions product. They are the most profitable company in the US with a huge cash reserve that they spend wisely. Their brand is recognized as the most valuable. Some say they aren't innovating since Jobs died but here you go: 64-bit mobile processor, metal platform for game apps, Swift programming language, lightest thinnest fastest phones and tablets, 5K desktop display, fast secure easy finger print sensor, fast secure NFC payment, Innovative camera technology that is praised by professional photographers, the most popular camera used in the world, faster LTE with more bands supported on the iPhone, larger iPhone sizes on the iPhone 6 (Jobs hated this idea), free OS updates
Not a Fox News defender, but you can't blame the comments of users on the company. Plus, you said commentators, implying those that work for the channel.
Too bad for Samsung: it would be nice if they could figure out a way to manage the lower tier of the smartphone market. Though while their profits cratered they still made a significant amount 0f money, but perhaps not enough to carry the entire company?
for those who would gloat ... apple will be in the same position one day. not if, but when. just sayin'.
It's possible but not probable. Apple continues to increase their R&D budget in order to innovate. Products are not released until they are ready. Apple controls the hardware and software which allows them create secure, easy to use, fast, no compromise products. They don't fill the iPhone or iPad with bloatware and refuse to allow the carriers to add it either. Their advertising focuses on the features of their product instead of tearing down the competitions product. They are the most profitable company in the US with a huge cash reserve that they spend wisely. Their brand is recognized as the most valuable. Some say they aren't innovating since Jobs died but here you go: 64-bit mobile processor, metal platform for game apps, Swift programming language, lightest thinnest fastest phones and tablets, 5K desktop display, fast secure easy finger print sensor, fast secure NFC payment, Innovative camera technology that is praised by professional photographers, the most popular camera used in the world, faster LTE with more bands supported on the iPhone, larger iPhone sizes on the iPhone 6 (Jobs hated this idea), free OS updates
Apple is certainly a "different beast" of a company. They are following a focused path that isn't distracted too much from all the noise around them, unlike (almost) all companies. That is why I find them so interesting. I don't own Apple shares directly (though mutual funds certainly do), but I follow their business success as much as their products.
Take their organization - there are no product lines separated out with different P&L's - which is amazing for a company of their financial size. If you put a management team from outside in charge (say the CEO of GE just as an example), the first thing they would do is create a Mac division, iPhone & iPad division, software division, services, etc.. All with their own P&L, headed by leaders that think first & foremost about their division, and not about the company. Just by this alone Apple "thinks differently" than 99% of large corporations.
As others have noted, Apple also takes the long view / strategic approach, and not releasing a product just because they can, or it would help with the next years numbers, but would end up an orphaned product. Some forum posters get upset that Apple hasn't updated the Apple TV with new HW, or allowed an app store, or made it for gaming, etc. It clearly isn't because they can't, nor that they don't see an opportunity in the living room. It is because they feel it is better to wait to have something "big / differentiator" in that space, rather than put out an incremental update, when the current version of Apple TV does most of what such an Internet streamer/iOS Airplay device needs to already.
It is this focus that has taken them to where they are, and why I feel they will be on top for quite awhile longer. Stating that "nothing lasts forever" is meaningless in the view of what is happening over the next few years and couple decades in the industry. It also completely ignores the issues that Samsung have and why they got to that situation.
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Apple was almost gone 15 years ago.
If NeXT wasn't heldback by anticompetitive constraints (of Apple) we would be buying NeXTPhones and NeXTWatches (and in a way we do).
Apples resurrection was only possible because they bought the technology and they got Steve Jobs back.
for those who would gloat ... apple will be in the same position one day. not if, but when. just sayin'.
Well, it may not happen in our life time, so I won't worry about it. With technology, finance and capability on hands now, Apple can do whatever they want to diversify their business and we won't see it in the same position as Samsung anytime in the next 10-20 years. We never know, you may one day live on Apple's world: automated home appliances, automobile, utility or even insurance. I can see in the next 10 years, Apple may have AppleCar for sale or they may just acquire Tesla.
That like saying don't gloat when your team wins a Championship because some day they will lose.
Or don't gloat when you get a big job promotion because you will get fired or laid off eventually.
Apple deserves to GLOAT.
Samsung stole, cheated, lied, scammed their way to a powerful position. Now they are getting what they deserve.
Samsung hit the wall because they don't have anything to innovate and with no true R&D, but R&C (Research and Copy). They can build whatever hardware to put in a phone, it doesn't guarantee the best device because they're not software company. Apple is different because they're excellent at both software and hardware. But the best thing Apple has is their principle of design in which they care about products they made and customers who use theirs, not like Samsung or some low end companies just try to copy and wouldn't give the sh.tt.
"We’re surrounded by anonymous, poorly made objects. It's tempting to think it’s because the people who use them don’t care — just like the people who make them. But what we’ve shown is that people do care. It's not just about aesthetics. They care about things that are thoughtfully conceived and well made. We make and sell a very, very large number of (hopefully) beautiful, well-made things. Our success is a victory for purity, integrity — for giving a damn." - Jonny Ive
Damn right, Jonny. Samsung is in its position because of it.
Samsungs chip division made more profit than its Mobile division. LOL
Why is this happenning?
Because Apple released the large phones. Checkmate.
All the big phone haters here need to admit the large phones was the smartest thing Apple has done in a while. Samsungs profits are down to 2011 levels aka before the big samsung phone era.
I'm not a big phone hater, but Apple's big iPhones came out too late to affect either company's sales/profits. The effect of Apple's big iPhones have hardly had a chance to drop-kick Samsung's sales into the bottomless pit... HINT: Samsung hasn't seen anything yet..!
Large-screens on Apple iPhones that also handle Apple-Pay and knock-your-socks-off game-console-quality games on Metal/Swift is a killer combo of features.
They have made and are still making a lot of money using Android.
Have made - yes. Still making - not so much. Lots of revenue, not much profit.
I don't expect them to stop being the dominant Android OEM anytime soon.
Nor do I. But "lots of revenue and not much profit" is not a good long-term strategy.
They also didn't stop making chips and are still making millions of chips per quarter for Apple.
That's another division. They're making the chips that Apple designs (and other standardized chips). Remember - Samsung did not know that Samsung was making 64-bit chips until Apple actually announced them on-stage. This was an Apple design and Samsung was just doing the fab work.
Still making - not so much. Lots of revenue, not much profit.
Nor do I. But "lots of revenue and not much profit" is not a good long-term strategy.
I consider > $1 billion in profit for a year "a lot" for any company, even if it's diminished "a lot" or if it's "a lot" less than the compan[y|ies] above them.
That's another division. They're making the chips that Apple designs (and other standardized chips). Remember - Samsung did not know that Samsung was making 64-bit chips until Apple actually announced them on-stage. This was an Apple design and Samsung was just doing the fab work.
1) It's still Samsung, and they are still making chips for Apple.
2) We don't know if Samsung knew or not. All we know is that there were no public leaks. Why would Samsung want to announced how much further ahead Apple was the rest of the game. What they likely couldn't know the code Apple had written to leverage the advancement of ARM64.
Should we pop the champagne now or wait until this filthy beast stops breathing?
Glad to hear that Samsung is struggling but I won't gloat, yet. A wounded animal tends to be extremely dangerous before it dies. If the animal survives it tends to become even more cunning and dangerous than it was before.
Samsung could not do "cunning" if their business existence depended on it....As for "dangerous," they've already did that to themselves... They've yet to replace their head designer who did a double-gainer out of the HQ building a year or so ago.
This is only gonna hurt the android App Store further. Sammy's fall from android dominance will create even more fragmentation.
I know a lot of developers were using the galaxy line as the android standard but now things are even more uncertain for poor developers and their apps.
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for those who would gloat ... apple will be in the same position one day. not if, but when. just sayin'.
It's possible but not probable. Apple continues to increase their R&D budget in order to innovate. Products are not released until they are ready. Apple controls the hardware and software which allows them create secure, easy to use, fast, no compromise products. They don't fill the iPhone or iPad with bloatware and refuse to allow the carriers to add it either. Their advertising focuses on the features of their product instead of tearing down the competitions product. They are the most profitable company in the US with a huge cash reserve that they spend wisely. Their brand is recognized as the most valuable. Some say they aren't innovating since Jobs died but here you go: 64-bit mobile processor, metal platform for game apps, Swift programming language, lightest thinnest fastest phones and tablets, 5K desktop display, fast secure easy finger print sensor, fast secure NFC payment, Innovative camera technology that is praised by professional photographers, the most popular camera used in the world, faster LTE with more bands supported on the iPhone, larger iPhone sizes on the iPhone 6 (Jobs hated this idea), free OS updatesHow bad was it, the link no longer works.
Well, about as bad as you would imagine. Some of the tamer ones referenced the bible. I won't get into it here. I despise intolerance of any kind.
Yes, even when it has to do with Samsung.
for those who would gloat ... apple will be in the same position one day. not if, but when. just sayin'.
and all men must day. relevance? none. gloat on.
Too bad for Samsung: it would be nice if they could figure out a way to manage the lower tier of the smartphone market. Though while their profits cratered they still made a significant amount 0f money, but perhaps not enough to carry the entire company?
for those who would gloat ... apple will be in the same position one day. not if, but when. just sayin'.
It's possible but not probable. Apple continues to increase their R&D budget in order to innovate. Products are not released until they are ready. Apple controls the hardware and software which allows them create secure, easy to use, fast, no compromise products. They don't fill the iPhone or iPad with bloatware and refuse to allow the carriers to add it either. Their advertising focuses on the features of their product instead of tearing down the competitions product. They are the most profitable company in the US with a huge cash reserve that they spend wisely. Their brand is recognized as the most valuable. Some say they aren't innovating since Jobs died but here you go: 64-bit mobile processor, metal platform for game apps, Swift programming language, lightest thinnest fastest phones and tablets, 5K desktop display, fast secure easy finger print sensor, fast secure NFC payment, Innovative camera technology that is praised by professional photographers, the most popular camera used in the world, faster LTE with more bands supported on the iPhone, larger iPhone sizes on the iPhone 6 (Jobs hated this idea), free OS updates
Apple is certainly a "different beast" of a company. They are following a focused path that isn't distracted too much from all the noise around them, unlike (almost) all companies. That is why I find them so interesting. I don't own Apple shares directly (though mutual funds certainly do), but I follow their business success as much as their products.
Take their organization - there are no product lines separated out with different P&L's - which is amazing for a company of their financial size. If you put a management team from outside in charge (say the CEO of GE just as an example), the first thing they would do is create a Mac division, iPhone & iPad division, software division, services, etc.. All with their own P&L, headed by leaders that think first & foremost about their division, and not about the company. Just by this alone Apple "thinks differently" than 99% of large corporations.
As others have noted, Apple also takes the long view / strategic approach, and not releasing a product just because they can, or it would help with the next years numbers, but would end up an orphaned product. Some forum posters get upset that Apple hasn't updated the Apple TV with new HW, or allowed an app store, or made it for gaming, etc. It clearly isn't because they can't, nor that they don't see an opportunity in the living room. It is because they feel it is better to wait to have something "big / differentiator" in that space, rather than put out an incremental update, when the current version of Apple TV does most of what such an Internet streamer/iOS Airplay device needs to already.
It is this focus that has taken them to where they are, and why I feel they will be on top for quite awhile longer. Stating that "nothing lasts forever" is meaningless in the view of what is happening over the next few years and couple decades in the industry. It also completely ignores the issues that Samsung have and why they got to that situation.
Apple was almost gone 15 years ago.
If NeXT wasn't heldback by anticompetitive constraints (of Apple) we would be buying NeXTPhones and NeXTWatches (and in a way we do).
Apples resurrection was only possible because they bought the technology and they got Steve Jobs back.
"... it is not easy for the company to come up with products differentiated from others."
When have they ever?
for those who would gloat ... apple will be in the same position one day. not if, but when. just sayin'.
Well, it may not happen in our life time, so I won't worry about it. With technology, finance and capability on hands now, Apple can do whatever they want to diversify their business and we won't see it in the same position as Samsung anytime in the next 10-20 years. We never know, you may one day live on Apple's world: automated home appliances, automobile, utility or even insurance. I can see in the next 10 years, Apple may have AppleCar for sale or they may just acquire Tesla.
Apple was almost gone 15 years ago.
If NeXT wasn't heldback by anticompetitive constraints (of Apple) we would be buying NeXTPhones and NeXTWatches (and in a way we do).
Apples resurrection was only possible because they bought the technology and they got Steve Jobs back.
Yeah but 15 years ago, Apple was in ONLY computer business and never was a market leader. Look at their products now.
Any bets on how long it will be before we see "Samsung Pay" ?
With "improved print recognition" ?
The key ingredient is (and was) software, and NeXT facilitated this.
Apple was almost gone 15 years ago.
Very true
My belief is that NeXT actually bought Apple for minus $400 million.
This become clearer if you look at who the execs were in the years immediately following.
What a ridiculous comment.
That like saying don't gloat when your team wins a Championship because some day they will lose.
Or don't gloat when you get a big job promotion because you will get fired or laid off eventually.
Apple deserves to GLOAT.
Samsung stole, cheated, lied, scammed their way to a powerful position. Now they are getting what they deserve.
Samsung hit the wall because they don't have anything to innovate and with no true R&D, but R&C (Research and Copy). They can build whatever hardware to put in a phone, it doesn't guarantee the best device because they're not software company. Apple is different because they're excellent at both software and hardware. But the best thing Apple has is their principle of design in which they care about products they made and customers who use theirs, not like Samsung or some low end companies just try to copy and wouldn't give the sh.tt.
"We’re surrounded by anonymous, poorly made objects. It's tempting to think it’s because the people who use them don’t care — just like the people who make them. But what we’ve shown is that people do care. It's not just about aesthetics. They care about things that are thoughtfully conceived and well made. We make and sell a very, very large number of (hopefully) beautiful, well-made things. Our success is a victory for purity, integrity — for giving a damn." - Jonny Ive
Damn right, Jonny. Samsung is in its position because of it.
I'm not a big phone hater, but Apple's big iPhones came out too late to affect either company's sales/profits. The effect of Apple's big iPhones have hardly had a chance to drop-kick Samsung's sales into the bottomless pit... HINT: Samsung hasn't seen anything yet..!
Large-screens on Apple iPhones that also handle Apple-Pay and knock-your-socks-off game-console-quality games on Metal/Swift is a killer combo of features.
They have made and are still making a lot of money using Android.
Have made - yes. Still making - not so much. Lots of revenue, not much profit.
Nor do I. But "lots of revenue and not much profit" is not a good long-term strategy.
That's another division. They're making the chips that Apple designs (and other standardized chips). Remember - Samsung did not know that Samsung was making 64-bit chips until Apple actually announced them on-stage. This was an Apple design and Samsung was just doing the fab work.
I consider > $1 billion in profit for a year "a lot" for any company, even if it's diminished "a lot" or if it's "a lot" less than the compan[y|ies] above them.
1) It's still Samsung, and they are still making chips for Apple.
2) We don't know if Samsung knew or not. All we know is that there were no public leaks. Why would Samsung want to announced how much further ahead Apple was the rest of the game. What they likely couldn't know the code Apple had written to leverage the advancement of ARM64.
Samsung could not do "cunning" if their business existence depended on it....As for "dangerous," they've already did that to themselves... They've yet to replace their head designer who did a double-gainer out of the HQ building a year or so ago.
This is only gonna hurt the android App Store further. Sammy's fall from android dominance will create even more fragmentation.
I know a lot of developers were using the galaxy line as the android standard but now things are even more uncertain for poor developers and their apps.