I'm calling hoax... I'm pretty sure the messages during the boot sequence are in German, but several things to appear to be legible, including 'Apache'. That sure ain't what I'd expect on a PDA.
Also, you see 'Checking for missed tasks' at the end (why it's in English and the rest looks German, I don't know), which is a cron-cleaner startup item... again, not something I'd expect on a PDA. (Or even a MacOS X Lite build.)
It's definitely being displayed on the screen, but it could have been mocked up, saved as a movie, and played back on the Palm, IMHO.
(That and the hand motions and screen response don't look quite synched. Close, but not quite.)
<strong>IIt's definitely being displayed on the screen, but it could have been mocked up, saved as a movie, and played back on the Palm, IMHO.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Major problem with this is I don't think the Palm IIIc couldn't hold that much video at that quality... but now I'm off on a quest to see if I can find someone with a Palm IIIc to confirm.
It's kind of funny, you'd think that if someone were going to spend all of this time, effort, and energy on a hoax, they'd at least poll a few people with some common sense about what strikes them as being 'a hoax,' and then fix those points, repeating as necessary until it were actually convincing and all parts of it seem to make sense. SpyMac never seems to get that far. Heh.
<strong>It's kind of funny, you'd think that if someone were going to spend all of this time, effort, and energy on a hoax, they'd at least poll a few people with some common sense about what strikes them as being 'a hoax,' and then fix those points, repeating as necessary until it were actually convincing and all parts of it seem to make sense. SpyMac never seems to get that far. Heh.</strong><hr></blockquote>
You just summed up why this might be real.
If you were going to create a iPDA hoax you would try to beat the iWalk one, which was pretty convincing and well done.
No effort has been made to hide the fact that it's a Palm IIIc. There are no close-ups of firewire ports or apple logos. No, it's just a palm running X.
It doesn't look like a fake to me but my eye isn't quite as discerning as some people here. But I do think that a device like this is possible since it wouldn't be all that different a device than the iPod (wheel and button interface, hard drive, processor, small screen).
In my opinion, I am betting that the iPod is/was an offshoot of Apple developing a handheld device. The market was better for an MP3 device than another handheld entering an already saturated and underperforming market so it was just easier to bring to market than a handheld.
Apple doesn't tend to release things that aren't as close to perfect as they can be. I think Steve Jobs' motto is: "If it ain't perfect, it ain't leaving Cupertino. I don't want to see it until it is perfect!"
OS X on a Palm device isn't going to happen, period. There are several reasons for this:
First of all, the current Palm CPU's are totally inadequate. Future CPU's will be faster, but still inadequate.
Secondly, there is next to no way for Apple to make money on such a product. The cost of bringing it to market would be high. The potential market would be small (Mac users) and not a justification of the sales it would garner.
Thirdly, the competition would be intense. Pocket PC has the high end PDA market as its goal. Palm has the low/middle range PDA market as its goal. Pocket PC is on its third revision and Palm is going to release their new from the ground up OS soon. A new MacOS X handheld would have a very difficult time in such a market, espescially being the newcomer.
Fourthly, Apple NEEDS Palm to be part of its MacOS peripheral strategy because Palm support adds quite a bit of legitimacy to the MacOS. There is no need to give Palm a reason to ignore Apple as a market.
I think that Apple is smart and that they are going to put their money into markets where the R&D costs aren't as high and where there isn't already a well established Mac compatible product. An OS X PDA looks cool, but it isn't going to happen. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
Just for kicks, go into Displays and select 256 colors on your own mac. Watch the dithering hell <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
Timing is everything. Last summer, Spymac released the iWalk about this time and drew everyone's attention to hand-held devices. Apple used the confusion to advertise - "Beyond the Rumor Boards. Way Beyond." Most of us were surprised when they released the new iMac (or when Time, Canada released the new iMac).
Now, a new rumor about a hand-held device running OS X surfaces just a couple of weeks before MacWorld (and possibly from Spymac again). About the time everyone gets hyped about the new Apple hand-held, Apple will release new PowerMacs (and probably not as towers, but something way cooler).
Some Apple employee probably created the video in his basement, showed it to some marketing exec who slipped it to someone at Spymac to throw us all off - again.
Apple is very adept at going in one direction when everyone expects it to go in another.
HOWEVER, I would love to see an Apple branded hand-held device.
It's a movie, being displayed in a PalmIII case. Trust.
If you look at the boot up when the camera gets real close the solid blue part is giving off mpeg-like artifacts and making small adjustments in the colour. That would never happen if it were a GUI, only video does that with solid colours. The video of "the video" gives of seperate artifacts, the ones I saw in the Palm moved with the same perception of the Palm itself.
Sorry boys and girls, but you still have to wait for that PDA.
<strong>I would hate an Apple PDA. Aqua on a handheld is like Manet on a stamp! (Okay, a bit hyperbolic).
Screed</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think steve knows better than anyone else that aqua won't work on handheld, otherwise we would be seeing aqua on iPod already. Anyways OS X on palm is so fake it's not even funny.
[quote] It's a movie, being displayed in a PalmIII case. Trust.
If you look at the boot up when the camera gets real close the solid blue part is giving off mpeg-like artifacts and making small adjustments in the colour. That would never happen if it were a GUI, only video does that with solid colours. The video of "the video" gives of seperate artifacts, the ones I saw in the Palm moved with the same perception of the Palm itself <hr></blockquote>
I agree - was just about to post the same tidbit. Only thing being showed off here is a IIIc accessing a HD for a vid file... editing beforehand on a Mac with Snapz Pro X as capture.
Have dumped a bunch of vid to Palm formats (Fire Viewer, etc.) and these artifacts are VERY familiar looking.
I agree - was just about to post the same tidbit. Only thing being showed off here is a IIIc accessing a HD for a vid file... editing beforehand on a Mac with Snapz Pro X as capture.
Have dumped a bunch of vid to Palm formats (Fire Viewer, etc.) and these artifacts are VERY familiar looking.
Sorry but could you tell me how a Palm IIIc can power a 2.5" hard drive. Power and data are moved over the same cable don't ya know and oh yea after that when exactly did they start installing ATA/IDE interfaces on the Palm IIIc?
My guess is that either it's being fed the video over that cable attached to the bottom of the Palm unit (don't ask me how), or the Palm's been gutted, and that cable is just sending video to what is essentially just a color LCD panel in the Palm casing.
The Palm can't really store that much video, after all. (And no, it's not reading it off the drive...)
My guess is that either it's being fed the video over that cable attached to the bottom of the Palm unit (don't ask me how), or the Palm's been gutted, and that cable is just sending video to what is essentially just a color LCD panel in the Palm casing.
The Palm can't really store that much video, after all. (And no, it's not reading it off the drive...)</strong><hr></blockquote>
Don't ask me how?!?!
That is my POINT!!!!
- You can't just 'feed' video to a palm!!!!!
- You can't download 2+ minutes of high quality video to a Palm!!!!!
- You can't connect a 2.5" HD to a Palm!!!!
Either the person was 'really good with photoshop' and spend many months mocking this up or this is something real.
'It's fake but don't ask my why' just doesn't cut it.
Oh and to the person who said it's taped... Well duh.. Palm didn't think to install a mounting kit on the back for a 2.5" HD since the palm could NEVER support a HD!
2.5" HD's don't have a power cable... they get power from the data cable the drive cable is looped into the unit via the bottom (the video doesn't make that totally clear but if you watch it that IS how it's connected. The person does lift the unit up and move around enough to pretty much confim that no extra cable is going somewhere else (to a video card)....
So in the end after 24 hours+ nobody has able to debunk the video... Interesting...
Good lord, Dave, first you say I'm nuts for thinking that the reported iFrame could be a base for a new PDA, with some modifications, but you're ready to believe that a *Palm* is running MacOS X?!? Make up your mind, will ya?
Take a Palm.
Open the case.
Remove the guts.
Take a similarly sized color LCD screen. (Or the same one.) Hook up a connector for a video feed. (No, it's not hard. I've done it.)
Place the LCD in the Palm case.
Run the cable through the bottom of the Palm, going through a Palm connect cable dongle case.
Voila. This isn't that hard, and it's my guess as to what was done.
Read the messages going by during the 'boot' for goodness' sake. Apache? Cron cleanup? Riiiiiiiight.
I think the debunking is pretty obvious, for those with eyes to accept it.
And I'm pretty damned sure I saw a cable hanging off of it, and *NOT* a drive cable looping back. I'll double check, and post a timecode, and you do the same, okay? We can get that part cleared up, at least.
Comments
Also, you see 'Checking for missed tasks' at the end (why it's in English and the rest looks German, I don't know), which is a cron-cleaner startup item... again, not something I'd expect on a PDA. (Or even a MacOS X Lite build.)
It's definitely being displayed on the screen, but it could have been mocked up, saved as a movie, and played back on the Palm, IMHO.
(That and the hand motions and screen response don't look quite synched. Close, but not quite.)
<strong>IIt's definitely being displayed on the screen, but it could have been mocked up, saved as a movie, and played back on the Palm, IMHO.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Major problem with this is I don't think the Palm IIIc couldn't hold that much video at that quality... but now I'm off on a quest to see if I can find someone with a Palm IIIc to confirm.
D
<strong>
Does Palm even have a touch screen? Surely on a Palm you can only use the stylus on that panel at the bottom?
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yep it does have a touch screen. Otherwise you would have difficulty selecting anything otherwise...
<strong>It's kind of funny, you'd think that if someone were going to spend all of this time, effort, and energy on a hoax, they'd at least poll a few people with some common sense about what strikes them as being 'a hoax,' and then fix those points, repeating as necessary until it were actually convincing and all parts of it seem to make sense. SpyMac never seems to get that far. Heh.</strong><hr></blockquote>
You just summed up why this might be real.
If you were going to create a iPDA hoax you would try to beat the iWalk one, which was pretty convincing and well done.
No effort has been made to hide the fact that it's a Palm IIIc. There are no close-ups of firewire ports or apple logos. No, it's just a palm running X.
I'm remaining open minded.
In my opinion, I am betting that the iPod is/was an offshoot of Apple developing a handheld device. The market was better for an MP3 device than another handheld entering an already saturated and underperforming market so it was just easier to bring to market than a handheld.
Apple doesn't tend to release things that aren't as close to perfect as they can be. I think Steve Jobs' motto is: "If it ain't perfect, it ain't leaving Cupertino. I don't want to see it until it is perfect!"
Just my opinion.
Mike
First of all, the current Palm CPU's are totally inadequate. Future CPU's will be faster, but still inadequate.
Secondly, there is next to no way for Apple to make money on such a product. The cost of bringing it to market would be high. The potential market would be small (Mac users) and not a justification of the sales it would garner.
Thirdly, the competition would be intense. Pocket PC has the high end PDA market as its goal. Palm has the low/middle range PDA market as its goal. Pocket PC is on its third revision and Palm is going to release their new from the ground up OS soon. A new MacOS X handheld would have a very difficult time in such a market, espescially being the newcomer.
Fourthly, Apple NEEDS Palm to be part of its MacOS peripheral strategy because Palm support adds quite a bit of legitimacy to the MacOS. There is no need to give Palm a reason to ignore Apple as a market.
I think that Apple is smart and that they are going to put their money into markets where the R&D costs aren't as high and where there isn't already a well established Mac compatible product. An OS X PDA looks cool, but it isn't going to happen. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
A Palm IIIc displays 256 colors.
Just for kicks, go into Displays and select 256 colors on your own mac. Watch the dithering hell <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
That ain't no 256 color display there.
Timing is everything. Last summer, Spymac released the iWalk about this time and drew everyone's attention to hand-held devices. Apple used the confusion to advertise - "Beyond the Rumor Boards. Way Beyond." Most of us were surprised when they released the new iMac (or when Time, Canada released the new iMac).
Now, a new rumor about a hand-held device running OS X surfaces just a couple of weeks before MacWorld (and possibly from Spymac again). About the time everyone gets hyped about the new Apple hand-held, Apple will release new PowerMacs (and probably not as towers, but something way cooler).
Some Apple employee probably created the video in his basement, showed it to some marketing exec who slipped it to someone at Spymac to throw us all off - again.
Apple is very adept at going in one direction when everyone expects it to go in another.
HOWEVER, I would love to see an Apple branded hand-held device.
If you look at the boot up when the camera gets real close the solid blue part is giving off mpeg-like artifacts and making small adjustments in the colour. That would never happen if it were a GUI, only video does that with solid colours. The video of "the video" gives of seperate artifacts, the ones I saw in the Palm moved with the same perception of the Palm itself.
Sorry boys and girls, but you still have to wait for that PDA.
How can so many people get past the fact there is a full-sized hard drive taped to the back!
Screed
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<strong>I would hate an Apple PDA. Aqua on a handheld is like Manet on a stamp! (Okay, a bit hyperbolic).
Screed</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think steve knows better than anyone else that aqua won't work on handheld, otherwise we would be seeing aqua on iPod already. Anyways OS X on palm is so fake it's not even funny.
If you look at the boot up when the camera gets real close the solid blue part is giving off mpeg-like artifacts and making small adjustments in the colour. That would never happen if it were a GUI, only video does that with solid colours. The video of "the video" gives of seperate artifacts, the ones I saw in the Palm moved with the same perception of the Palm itself <hr></blockquote>
I agree - was just about to post the same tidbit. Only thing being showed off here is a IIIc accessing a HD for a vid file... editing beforehand on a Mac with Snapz Pro X as capture.
Have dumped a bunch of vid to Palm formats (Fire Viewer, etc.) and these artifacts are VERY familiar looking.
Again, sorry folks. Nice try, though <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
<strong>
I agree - was just about to post the same tidbit. Only thing being showed off here is a IIIc accessing a HD for a vid file... editing beforehand on a Mac with Snapz Pro X as capture.
Have dumped a bunch of vid to Palm formats (Fire Viewer, etc.) and these artifacts are VERY familiar looking.
Again, sorry folks. Nice try, though <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Sorry but could you tell me how a Palm IIIc can power a 2.5" hard drive. Power and data are moved over the same cable don't ya know and oh yea after that when exactly did they start installing ATA/IDE interfaces on the Palm IIIc?
D
My guess is that either it's being fed the video over that cable attached to the bottom of the Palm unit (don't ask me how), or the Palm's been gutted, and that cable is just sending video to what is essentially just a color LCD panel in the Palm casing.
The Palm can't really store that much video, after all. (And no, it's not reading it off the drive...)
<strong>I would hate an Apple PDA like this. Aqua on a handheld is like Manet on a stamp! (Okay, a bit hyperbolic but you get my point).
How can so many people get past the fact there is a full-sized hard drive taped to the back!
Screed
[ 06-21-2002: Message edited by: sCreeD ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
HE IS RIGHT
The HD is TAPED! Who tapes a hard drive?
<strong>It can't, that's just for show.
My guess is that either it's being fed the video over that cable attached to the bottom of the Palm unit (don't ask me how), or the Palm's been gutted, and that cable is just sending video to what is essentially just a color LCD panel in the Palm casing.
The Palm can't really store that much video, after all. (And no, it's not reading it off the drive...)</strong><hr></blockquote>
Don't ask me how?!?!
That is my POINT!!!!
- You can't just 'feed' video to a palm!!!!!
- You can't download 2+ minutes of high quality video to a Palm!!!!!
- You can't connect a 2.5" HD to a Palm!!!!
Either the person was 'really good with photoshop' and spend many months mocking this up or this is something real.
'It's fake but don't ask my why' just doesn't cut it.
Oh and to the person who said it's taped... Well duh.. Palm didn't think to install a mounting kit on the back for a 2.5" HD since the palm could NEVER support a HD!
2.5" HD's don't have a power cable... they get power from the data cable the drive cable is looped into the unit via the bottom (the video doesn't make that totally clear but if you watch it that IS how it's connected. The person does lift the unit up and move around enough to pretty much confim that no extra cable is going somewhere else (to a video card)....
So in the end after 24 hours+ nobody has able to debunk the video... Interesting...
D
Take a Palm.
Open the case.
Remove the guts.
Take a similarly sized color LCD screen. (Or the same one.) Hook up a connector for a video feed. (No, it's not hard. I've done it.)
Place the LCD in the Palm case.
Run the cable through the bottom of the Palm, going through a Palm connect cable dongle case.
Voila. This isn't that hard, and it's my guess as to what was done.
Read the messages going by during the 'boot' for goodness' sake. Apache? Cron cleanup? Riiiiiiiight.
I think the debunking is pretty obvious, for those with eyes to accept it.
And I'm pretty damned sure I saw a cable hanging off of it, and *NOT* a drive cable looping back. I'll double check, and post a timecode, and you do the same, okay? We can get that part cleared up, at least.
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