Hey guys, these fake Apple handheld videos and mockups are a hoot....let's make some of our own...toward that end I'm starting yet another "Design The Next Apple Handheld" thread.
I'm sure to be pilloried for my efforts.....but then that's what this forum's all about ain't it?
Cable: alright, in the beginning a looped drive cable is clearly visible. You're right.
Still not convinced there isn't a cable coming out the bottom looped around the back though. Watch the fingers on the hand... the ring finger looks like it's snagging something on the back side a couple of times.
You're right, it's not proof, but it *could* be done pretty easily with a little sleight of hand, and that makes a lot more sense than seeing MacOS X booting, with Apache, on a Palm IIIc, doesn't it?
Note that you only see the looped cable twice: once at the beginning, and near the end. In both cases it's being moved directly in line with the table, between the table and camera, and in both cases the end of the Palm is hanging over the table. There's easily enough room to have a cable hanging off of there. Reach down, loop a finger under it, hold it to the back of the device. Lift directly towards camera. As bottom of device drops out of bottom of frame, let go of cable. Turn to show back, looping cable around front with finger. Heck, have an offcamera helper reach under and hook the cable to run down the forearm.
At no other point do you see the bottom of the device. It would certainly have been easiest to show that it was standalone, unwired, to have just held it out with two fingers at arm's length, and twirled it 360 in two axes... but they didn't.
<strong>Cable: alright, in the beginning a looped drive cable is clearly visible. You're right.
Still not convinced there isn't a cable coming out the bottom looped around the back though. Watch the fingers on the hand... the ring finger looks like it's snagging something on the back side a couple of times.
You're right, it's not proof, but it *could* be done pretty easily with a little sleight of hand, and that makes a lot more sense than seeing MacOS X booting, with Apache, on a Palm IIIc, doesn't it?
As someone who was BURNED big time (yes I am man enough to admit it) by the iWalk video's - sorry but I really want to GIVE APPLE MONEY for something like this and I'm sure others feel the same way...
Anyway this is more than just a (not so) simple stitch of clips (as was the iWalk) this is very fluid and while I admit the idea of a '2nd cable' feeding video to a display from some 'off screen device' isn't out of the question (totally) but that still means someone has developed something that would do it in the Palm IIIc form factor. and well... nobody is even selling such a device.
Like I said *I* really want to hear someone give a iron clad reason why this isn't legit but as of yet nobody can.... and I for one have been following threads like these on 4 different message boards.
Okay, the enthusiasm I can understand. I'm a Newton 2x00 owner, and am still waiting for its successor to come onto the market.
Still think it's fake though.
As for displaying the video from an offscreen device... er... just an LCD would do. Have the circuitry offscreen as well, at the other end of the cable, and all you'd need in the Palm case would be the actual LCD. Which we *know* fits.
Yeah, I really, really want this to be real too, but this is setting all my hoaxmeters to 11.
<strong>Okay, the enthusiasm I can understand. I'm a Newton 2x00 owner, and am still waiting for its successor to come onto the market.
Still think it's fake though.
As for displaying the video from an offscreen device... er... just an LCD would do. Have the circuitry offscreen as well, at the other end of the cable, and all you'd need in the Palm case would be the actual LCD. Which we *know* fits.
Yeah, I really, really want this to be real too, but this is setting all my hoaxmeters to 11.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yea well I've got mine set pretty high too... but damn this had to require a fair bit-o-planning to get things 'just right' I've even followed the hand writing and 'ls' (return) is what the person wrote in the terminal app.
If it was a hoax (and I admit to being on the edge) then he did a damn good job of it on and if it was then then how the heck does it look so good on such a small screen!!!! (okay I'll stop)... for now....
Yea well I've got mine set pretty high too... but damn this had to require a fair bit-o-planning to get things 'just right' I've even followed the hand writing and 'ls' (return) is what the person wrote in the terminal app.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Good eyes! Any chance you can decipher what is flashing by at boot?
[quote]<strong>If it was a hoax (and I admit to being on the edge) then he did a damn good job of it on and if it was then then how the heck does it look so good on such a small screen!!!! (okay I'll stop)... for now....
Dave</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah, definitely kudos to the hoaxster.
(And yeah, I really really do wish that Apple had something with that power in that size (replace the 2.5" drive with a 1.8", and you've got a winner, in my book - with a screen 3x the size, of course... )... I'd be in line to buy one, you betcha. But I don't think this particular video is real.)
<strong>It's a movie, being displayed in a PalmIII case. Trust.
If you look at the boot up when the camera gets real close the solid blue part is giving off mpeg-like artifacts and making small adjustments in the colour. That would never happen if it were a GUI, only video does that with solid colours. The video of "the video" gives of seperate artifacts, the ones I saw in the Palm moved with the same perception of the Palm itself.
Sorry boys and girls, but you still have to wait for that PDA.</strong><hr></blockquote>
That was my FIRST thought... there would be no compression artifacts if it were a GUI... the blue would be blue... PERIOD. And before anyone mentions it... NO... the artifacting was NOT from the compression of the overall movie... if you look at the pixelated areas on the Palm's screen, the pitch and angle of the artifacting match the pitch, angle and movement of the palm. There is absolutely NO QUESTION that the artifacting is happening on-screen of that PDA.
So to re-ask... why would a GUI be showing artifacts... unless it actually WAS just a movie being played (somehow) on the modified PDA.
PLUS... after watching the sync of the hand movements to the GUI... it is far from flawless... sometimes there's a delay, sometime's there's not...
In my *expert* design opinion, that is a Movie of some sort being displayed on the screen.
Now we have TWO people (who both claim this is a simple fake) who are *ahem* experts and are at odds as to *why* it's a fake.... Well that's good enough for me!! After all I too was taken in by those totally **fake** shots of that 'cube shaped' Mac a few years ago and it wasn't until folks like you showed me the error of my ways.... <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> Hmm then again I guess it was from those **fake** shots where Steve got his idea for the *real* cube that he was able to introduce only 24 hours after those fake shots turned up... <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
Now we have TWO people (who both claim this is a simple fake) who are *ahem* experts and are at odds as to *why* it's a fake.... Well that's good enough for me!! After all I too was taken in by those totally **fake** shots of that 'cube shaped' Mac a few years ago and it wasn't until folks like you showed me the error of my ways.... <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> Hmm then again I guess it was from those **fake** shots where Steve got his idea for the *real* cube that he was able to introduce only 24 hours after those fake shots turned up... <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
Ummm... if you are referring to MY post... I never said anything with the word "fake"... I am merely stating that WHATEVER is being displayed on that PDA's screen is showing compression artifacts that are reminiscent of some sort of video compression scheme.
I merely asked the question: "If it's real... then why is the startup a compressed movie...?"
Who knows...? maybe the concept is real... I dunno... but that particular video is extremely suspect due to the on-screen artifacting.
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong... but I tend to doubt it.
Seems to me that the Palm screen compression artifacts could be due to a glare on the palm screen, rather than a movie running on the palm. Meaning that the glare caused the pixelation on the film taking the footage rather than an MPEG running on the palm. I notice the pixelation when the screen is tilted and the glare changes on the screen.
I'm not saying I believe that it's real, but I wouldn't say it's a fake souly due to the compression look on the palm.
You're right, this is an apple prototype I got from, ehm, someone I know. I have no idea how old it is, but it's probably pretty new since it's running an OS equal to 10.2. There are a lot of flaws, though, and most of the applications and system preferences either crash or won't open at all. The "about this mac" window (yep, heh, they're calling it a mac ) shows "version 1.0a21" and that it has got 56 MB RAM. That may sound little, but that's probably enough to run OS X on a 160x160 screen. Far more memory and processing power is required to display graphics at resolutions like 1024x768 pixels. It's still lagging on window resizing/movement, though. It doesn't say what kind of processor it has.
Also, as you can see, the applications don't have their own menu to quit, hide, show preferences etc. That seems to be moved down to the menu on the dock, as you can see on 00:11.
Sorry, I have to give back the video camera I shot these videos with today, it isn't mine. But I'll still be able to take still photos.
Come on. At least make the text on the device fit to the handheld. The Apple Menu, File, Edit, etc. show up the same size on the handheld's screen as they do on my Powerbook.
On a clear display, the text could be MUCH smaller and you could still read it.
It also seems all too convenient that the ASP doesn't show the Processor type. Yes, this is a prototype, but it would show the processor. If you're really serious about this, open this sucker up and show us the inside. I want to see the motherboard, processor, everything you can provide.
I will say- very good job with the video, but if you want to make it look better, you need to show people more.
<strong>Come on. At least make the text on the device fit to the handheld. The Apple Menu, File, Edit, etc. show up the same size on the handheld's screen as they do on my Powerbook.
On a clear display, the text could be MUCH smaller and you could still read it.
It also seems all too convenient that the ASP doesn't show the Processor type. Yes, this is a prototype, but it would show the processor. If you're really serious about this, open this sucker up and show us the inside. I want to see the motherboard, processor, everything you can provide.
I will say- very good job with the video, but if you want to make it look better, you need to show people more. </strong><hr></blockquote>
Cool movie's ksv! (oh and for those who don't know... ksv is the one who has the device)
Anyway, this is what I'm trying to say....
The Palm IIIc *isn't* the final form factor the Palm IIIc is just being used in early device design since those touch screen devices are easy and cheap to come by.
My bet is that the final device will be larger (more PAD like) and will thus be able to hold the HD internally. The fact is if Apple has been able to build a system board as small as a Palm IIIc form factor that can boot OS X that is totally amazing!
If not then my hats off to ksv... he is doing some pretty cool hoax videos.
It looks real to me. Might be a fake, but I can't see any faults. Maybe it's running on a desktop, but it still looks like it's interacting with the touchscreen.
I disagree with ealier posts which claim that the sync with the stylis and menus/windows etc are off. If you've used a Palm type device, it often has these little delays from not quite hitting the right spot or needing to tap a second time.
So far I'm convinced that a small touch screen is interacting with OS X.
However, beleiving it's all packaged in a Palm IIIc, I'm not believing yet.
As others have mentioned. So far I believe that it is a current mac using a palmIIIc touchscreen as a mini touchscreen monitor. Still neat and impressive, but not a PDA.
To convince me that it's a total PDA I'd have to make sure there are no wires going off camera and see the guts of the thing.
Err.. I don't know what to think. For once my natural hate for 'fake stuff' is squelched. I'd like to see OS move across different mediums. I'd like Mac OS to have a pentium version. Wait... no I don't. What the heck was I thinking! I REALLY believe that we need to stay true to our Apple Hardware. Who needs your stinking palm anyway? Over sized pocket protectors. I'd say this is fake, fake, fake, and more fake. In fact the very idea of moving such a beautiful thing as OS X to some inferior hardware makes me sick, sick , sick. Now if you'll excuse me, I must go go go to the bathroom.
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I'm sure to be pilloried for my efforts.....but then that's what this forum's all about ain't it?
Drew
Still not convinced there isn't a cable coming out the bottom looped around the back though. Watch the fingers on the hand... the ring finger looks like it's snagging something on the back side a couple of times.
You're right, it's not proof, but it *could* be done pretty easily with a little sleight of hand, and that makes a lot more sense than seeing MacOS X booting, with Apache, on a Palm IIIc, doesn't it?
Note that you only see the looped cable twice: once at the beginning, and near the end. In both cases it's being moved directly in line with the table, between the table and camera, and in both cases the end of the Palm is hanging over the table. There's easily enough room to have a cable hanging off of there. Reach down, loop a finger under it, hold it to the back of the device. Lift directly towards camera. As bottom of device drops out of bottom of frame, let go of cable. Turn to show back, looping cable around front with finger. Heck, have an offcamera helper reach under and hook the cable to run down the forearm.
At no other point do you see the bottom of the device. It would certainly have been easiest to show that it was standalone, unwired, to have just held it out with two fingers at arm's length, and twirled it 360 in two axes... but they didn't.
It just looks really, really staged, IMHO.
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<strong>Cable: alright, in the beginning a looped drive cable is clearly visible. You're right.
Still not convinced there isn't a cable coming out the bottom looped around the back though. Watch the fingers on the hand... the ring finger looks like it's snagging something on the back side a couple of times.
You're right, it's not proof, but it *could* be done pretty easily with a little sleight of hand, and that makes a lot more sense than seeing MacOS X booting, with Apache, on a Palm IIIc, doesn't it?
[ 06-21-2002: Message edited by: Kickaha ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
As someone who was BURNED big time (yes I am man enough to admit it) by the iWalk video's - sorry but I really want to GIVE APPLE MONEY for something like this and I'm sure others feel the same way...
Anyway this is more than just a (not so) simple stitch of clips (as was the iWalk) this is very fluid and while I admit the idea of a '2nd cable' feeding video to a display from some 'off screen device' isn't out of the question (totally) but that still means someone has developed something that would do it in the Palm IIIc form factor. and well... nobody is even selling such a device.
Like I said *I* really want to hear someone give a iron clad reason why this isn't legit but as of yet nobody can.... and I for one have been following threads like these on 4 different message boards.
Dave
Still think it's fake though.
As for displaying the video from an offscreen device... er... just an LCD would do. Have the circuitry offscreen as well, at the other end of the cable, and all you'd need in the Palm case would be the actual LCD. Which we *know* fits.
Yeah, I really, really want this to be real too, but this is setting all my hoaxmeters to 11.
<strong>Okay, the enthusiasm I can understand.
Still think it's fake though.
As for displaying the video from an offscreen device... er... just an LCD would do. Have the circuitry offscreen as well, at the other end of the cable, and all you'd need in the Palm case would be the actual LCD. Which we *know* fits.
Yeah, I really, really want this to be real too, but this is setting all my hoaxmeters to 11.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yea well I've got mine set pretty high too... but damn this had to require a fair bit-o-planning to get things 'just right' I've even followed the hand writing and 'ls' (return) is what the person wrote in the terminal app.
If it was a hoax (and I admit to being on the edge) then he did a damn good job of it on and if it was then then how the heck does it look so good on such a small screen!!!! (okay I'll stop)... for now....
Dave
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Yea well I've got mine set pretty high too... but damn this had to require a fair bit-o-planning to get things 'just right' I've even followed the hand writing and 'ls' (return) is what the person wrote in the terminal app.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Good eyes! Any chance you can decipher what is flashing by at boot?
[quote]<strong>If it was a hoax (and I admit to being on the edge) then he did a damn good job of it on and if it was then then how the heck does it look so good on such a small screen!!!! (okay I'll stop)... for now....
Dave</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah, definitely kudos to the hoaxster.
(And yeah, I really really do wish that Apple had something with that power in that size (replace the 2.5" drive with a 1.8", and you've got a winner, in my book - with a screen 3x the size, of course...
<strong>It's a movie, being displayed in a PalmIII case. Trust.
If you look at the boot up when the camera gets real close the solid blue part is giving off mpeg-like artifacts and making small adjustments in the colour. That would never happen if it were a GUI, only video does that with solid colours. The video of "the video" gives of seperate artifacts, the ones I saw in the Palm moved with the same perception of the Palm itself.
Sorry boys and girls, but you still have to wait for that PDA.</strong><hr></blockquote>
That was my FIRST thought... there would be no compression artifacts if it were a GUI... the blue would be blue... PERIOD. And before anyone mentions it... NO... the artifacting was NOT from the compression of the overall movie... if you look at the pixelated areas on the Palm's screen, the pitch and angle of the artifacting match the pitch, angle and movement of the palm. There is absolutely NO QUESTION that the artifacting is happening on-screen of that PDA.
So to re-ask... why would a GUI be showing artifacts... unless it actually WAS just a movie being played (somehow) on the modified PDA.
PLUS... after watching the sync of the hand movements to the GUI... it is far from flawless... sometimes there's a delay, sometime's there's not...
In my *expert* design opinion, that is a Movie of some sort being displayed on the screen.
And as someone pointed out, you can see a 20th Ann Mac in the background....
Now we have TWO people (who both claim this is a simple fake) who are *ahem* experts and are at odds as to *why* it's a fake.... Well that's good enough for me!! After all I too was taken in by those totally **fake** shots of that 'cube shaped' Mac a few years ago and it wasn't until folks like you showed me the error of my ways.... <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> Hmm then again I guess it was from those **fake** shots where Steve got his idea for the *real* cube that he was able to introduce only 24 hours after those fake shots turned up... <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
Dave
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Just A Thought...
<strong>Very well then...
Now we have TWO people (who both claim this is a simple fake) who are *ahem* experts and are at odds as to *why* it's a fake.... Well that's good enough for me!! After all I too was taken in by those totally **fake** shots of that 'cube shaped' Mac a few years ago and it wasn't until folks like you showed me the error of my ways.... <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> Hmm then again I guess it was from those **fake** shots where Steve got his idea for the *real* cube that he was able to introduce only 24 hours after those fake shots turned up... <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
Dave
[ 06-22-2002: Message edited by: DaveGee ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Ummm... if you are referring to MY post... I never said anything with the word "fake"... I am merely stating that WHATEVER is being displayed on that PDA's screen is showing compression artifacts that are reminiscent of some sort of video compression scheme.
I merely asked the question: "If it's real... then why is the startup a compressed movie...?"
Who knows...? maybe the concept is real... I dunno... but that particular video is extremely suspect due to the on-screen artifacting.
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong... but I tend to doubt it.
I'm not saying I believe that it's real, but I wouldn't say it's a fake souly due to the compression look on the palm.
You're right, this is an apple prototype I got from, ehm, someone I know. I have no idea how old it is, but it's probably pretty new since it's running an OS equal to 10.2. There are a lot of flaws, though, and most of the applications and system preferences either crash or won't open at all. The "about this mac" window (yep, heh, they're calling it a mac
Also, as you can see, the applications don't have their own menu to quit, hide, show preferences etc. That seems to be moved down to the menu on the dock, as you can see on 00:11.
Sorry, I have to give back the video camera I shot these videos with today, it isn't mine. But I'll still be able to take still photos.
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<a href="http://home.no.net/macosx/Xpalm2.mp4.sit"; target="_blank">This should work.</a>
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On a clear display, the text could be MUCH smaller and you could still read it.
It also seems all too convenient that the ASP doesn't show the Processor type. Yes, this is a prototype, but it would show the processor. If you're really serious about this, open this sucker up and show us the inside. I want to see the motherboard, processor, everything you can provide.
I will say- very good job with the video, but if you want to make it look better, you need to show people more.
<strong>Come on. At least make the text on the device fit to the handheld. The Apple Menu, File, Edit, etc. show up the same size on the handheld's screen as they do on my Powerbook.
On a clear display, the text could be MUCH smaller and you could still read it.
It also seems all too convenient that the ASP doesn't show the Processor type. Yes, this is a prototype, but it would show the processor. If you're really serious about this, open this sucker up and show us the inside. I want to see the motherboard, processor, everything you can provide.
I will say- very good job with the video, but if you want to make it look better, you need to show people more.
Cool movie's ksv! (oh and for those who don't know... ksv is the one who has the device)
Anyway, this is what I'm trying to say....
The Palm IIIc *isn't* the final form factor the Palm IIIc is just being used in early device design since those touch screen devices are easy and cheap to come by.
My bet is that the final device will be larger (more PAD like) and will thus be able to hold the HD internally. The fact is if Apple has been able to build a system board as small as a Palm IIIc form factor that can boot OS X that is totally amazing!
If not then my hats off to ksv... he is doing some pretty cool hoax videos.
Dave
I disagree with ealier posts which claim that the sync with the stylis and menus/windows etc are off. If you've used a Palm type device, it often has these little delays from not quite hitting the right spot or needing to tap a second time.
So far I'm convinced that a small touch screen is interacting with OS X.
However, beleiving it's all packaged in a Palm IIIc, I'm not believing yet.
So far I think it's a semi-fake.
It's faking running on PalmIII size device
But it's not a pure video trick either.
As others have mentioned. So far I believe that it is a current mac using a palmIIIc touchscreen as a mini touchscreen monitor. Still neat and impressive, but not a PDA.
To convince me that it's a total PDA I'd have to make sure there are no wires going off camera and see the guts of the thing.
<a href="http://homepage.mac.com/protonator/.Movies/XpalmNav2.mov"; target="_blank">http://homepage.mac.com/protonator/.Movies/XpalmNav2.mov</a>;