Rumor: Apple considering return to 4-inch form factor in 2015 with 'iPhone 6s mini'

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  • Reply 41 of 244
    sog35 wrote: »
    So you SERIOUSLY think a company worth $650,000,000,000 and makes $40,000,000,000 in profits every year did not research that people WANTED LARGER PHONES?  REally!  I mean REALLY!!!!

    I never said, or even implied, that people didn't want a larger phone, I simply said that because a larger iPhone exists doesn't mean that people don't want a 4"...

    If anything, you're implying that Apple didn't do their research for 6 years, sticking with smaller form factors even though everyone, except a few thousand of course, wanted a larger phone.
  • Reply 42 of 244

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    This was my favorite phone of all time. It was basically the size of used bar of soap. I bought one for myself and my daughter. I prefer a smaller phone and I'll use my iPad for everything else.

  • Reply 43 of 244
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

     

     

    you are being ridiculous.

     

    Apple is NOT making a fat phone and give it the 6 name.

     

    I have a 6+ and I'm 100% glad they kept the body as thin as possible and it has a protruding lense. It makes it 100% more pocketable. The note does not have way better battery life than the 6+. My 6+ can last 3 full days on regular use.

     

    Anandtech who does the BEST reviews has the plus at 13 hours and the Note4 at 11.

    http://www.anandtech.com/show/8613/the-samsung-galaxy-note-4-review/3


    I never said they should call it anything. i dont give a flying **** what they call it. i am glad you like a 6+ and you have the option to get one. my wife is getting one when her contract is up for renewal. but I & many others like myself, dont want/need a big phone.  as for battery specs, the #1 "con" on all reviews for the 6+ vs the note is Battery.  so, maybe you are in the minority here but i dont know anyone who actually uses their iphone (any iphone) for more than a day without charging.  every heavy user I know charges multiple times per day and i am one of them with my 5S on occasion.

    I personally hope apple doesnt abandon a premium phone in the compact size, but that doesnt mean i want them to abandon the phablet market either, because theres a demand for that too. They are an enormous company that would be smart to make products to suit as many as possible while being able to make $ doing it.   

  • Reply 44 of 244

    About 2/3 of the iPhone users at work have upgraded (or are going to upgrade) to the 6/6+ with a pretty even split between the two sizes. The other 1/3rd are keeping their 5S (or upgrading to the 5S because they get Touch ID) because they like the size/style of that iPhone.

     

    I think there's enough people out there who still want something smaller, but premium quality to make a 4" iPhone 6 feasible for Apple. I'm sure it would sell better than the 5C did. ;)

  • Reply 45 of 244
    Good move. I like the 4-inch screen on my iPhone 5. It's just about perfect. But Apple needs models that vary in more than screen size. They need a rugged sports model along with a thicker, long-life model for business people on the go. Both matter more than screen size.
  • Reply 46 of 244
    nobodyy wrote: »
    I never said, or even implied, that people didn't want a larger phone…

    I'll say it. There are very few people that want larger mobile computers. Nearly all of them want a larger display, more battery life, and better performance. These can easily be accomplished by increasing the size of the device so there is a tradeoff, but no one wants a larger device. In fact, the iPhone 6 has less volume and is lighter than many previous iPhones with a 3.5" display. I'd say that it even feels smaller than the iPhone 4 due to the curved sides and glass.
  • Reply 47 of 244
    pmzpmz Posts: 3,433member

    OF COURSE they are going to. They were always going to.

     

    They didn't do it this year because 1) Enough overhead with producing 2 new iPhone designs, and 2) They had the 5s to sell at $99 price point for another entire year.

     

    Next year, the 4" model slot will need to be filled with something more current. I think its very likely that continues to be the 5s form factor with upgraded internals on par with this year's iPhone 6. Less likely but still possible is that Apple introduces a 6-esque design at a 4" size....something I think would be very difficult for them to do. 

     

    Either way, the 4" model will get treatment next year, will be kept at the $99 price point, and will always be a second class citizen to the 4.7" and 5.5" models....but it is not getting totally left behind either.

  • Reply 48 of 244
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    Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

     

     

    things change. Tastes change.

     

    IMO, the consumer hunger for larger phones started in 2013 with the explosion of streaming media and LTE plans.  Of course Apple could not bring out a large phone because they were on a 2 year cycle ( 5/5S)




    IMO = in my opinion

    Your tastes changed, congrats. The 6+ is a fantastic phone and works well for you and a few millions others, buddy. But in no way is that everyone but a few thousand people. ;) 

     

    You're not millions of other people, therefore your opinion on them all "buying a 4" because it's all they had" is irrelevant. Maybe you did, but not me. That could mean a million did, or a million didn't. There is no evidence other than your opinion backing it up. 

     

    @Soli - You know I meant larger displays! Larger as in increasing surface area, not volume of the device. :)

  • Reply 49 of 244
    pmzpmz Posts: 3,433member
    Quote:
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    I'd say that it even feels smaller than the iPhone 4 due to the curved sides and glass.

     

    Eh...not quite. If this were true, my wife would be using a 6 right now

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

     

     

    you and a few thousand.

     

    4 inch premium phones are now a niche product. Deal with it.  Apple will not waste millions on retooling an entire line to make a 4 inch phone that only a few want.

     

    So you want the phone to be smaller, lighter, and thinner.   Yet have better battery life? I mean really. Do you actually hear what you type?




    Only a few? You have no idea what you're talking about. All of the sudden in one year everyone went from being perfectly fine with a 4" to needing a 4.7" or 5.5" phone with no exception? No. Not everyone.

     

    One size does not fit all. And there is no reason to. There is no reason to force people into larger phones, and there is no reason to hold back larger phones from people who want them.

     

    4", 4.7", and 5.5" make a great lineup as Small, Medium, Large. It is EXACTLY what Apple offers RIGHT NOW, and will continue to offer next year.

     

    The only difference is, next year the 4" model will need to be updated to be kept relevant: Faster chip, Improved Camera, and of course Apple Pay support.

     

    Apple will make the decision as to whether it is cheaper to cram these updated components into the 5s casing, or build a new 4" casing in the "6" design motif.

  • Reply 50 of 244
    netroxnetrox Posts: 1,409member
    I would buy it! I am not liking my iPhone 6. Can't imagine having the Plus. It's ridiculous. It feels bulky. I miss the perfect size - the iPhone 5s.
  • Reply 51 of 244
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by pmz View Post



    Only a few? You have no idea what you're talking about. All of the sudden in one year everyone went from being perfectly fine with a 4" to needing a 4.7" or 5.5" phone with no exception? No. Not everyone.

     

    One size does not fit all. And there is no reason to. There is no reason to force people into larger phones, and there is no reason to hold back larger phones from people who want them.

     

    4", 4.7", and 5.5" make a great lineup as Small, Medium, Large. It is EXACTLY what Apple offers RIGHT NOW, and will continue to offer next year.

     

    The only difference is, next year the 4" model will need to be updated to be kept relevant: Faster chip, Improved Camera, and of course Apple Pay support.

     

    Apple will make the decision as to whether it is cheaper to cram these updated components into the 5s casing, or build a new 4" casing in the "6" design motif.


     

    ^

    This. I'm glad I am not crazy.

  • Reply 52 of 244
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    Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

     

     

    there ins't a SINGLE review I've read that said the 6+ battery is a con.

     

    I'm sorry you are just FLAT OUT wrong about that.

     

    So if they don't call it iPhone6 what will they call it?  

    All I know is Apple does not waste time making NICHE phones 


     

    the size & form factor of the original iphone is what created the smartphone explosion. I hope it stays & dont understand why you are so butt-hurt over the idea of someone wanting a phone that isnt huge.

    As for the battery argument, there are many articles (use your search box) that say the note4 has a superior battery to the 6+. this isnt new news. not to mention the ability to simply swap out a dead battery in seconds if necessary. also, the power save mode is pretty cool. but seeings how i dont want a phablet & i dont want this thread to become a 6 vs note argument, i hope this part of the discussion ends here.    

  • Reply 53 of 244
    nobodyy wrote: »
    @Soli - You know I meant larger displays! Larger as in increasing surface area, not volume of the device. :)

    I think it's an important distinction. A 4.7" iPhone in the iPhone 4 design with flat sides and front and back glass would have been massive and heavy. The iPhone 4S was the heaviest iPhone, even more than the 4" iPhone 5/5S until the 5.5" iPhone 6 Plus.

    Unless you have Megan Fox thumbs that are truly affected by the arc range the slight portrait width from 4" to 4.7" isn't likely going to be issue.


    My iPhone 6 Plus certainly slides into and out of my pocket easier than my iPhone 4, 4S, and 5S before it.
  • Reply 54 of 244
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SolipsismY View Post





    I think it's an important distinction. A 4.7" iPhone in the iPhone 4 design with flat sides and front and back glass would have been massive and heavy. The iPhone 4S was the heaviest iPhone, even more than the 4" iPhone 5/5S until the 5.5" iPhone 6 Plus.



    Unless you have Megan Fox thumbs that are truly affected by the arc range the slight portrait width from 4" to 4.7" isn't likely going to be issue.



    For sure, It is an important distinction, when not clear and relevant. But I think I framed it clearly here, and now have your words clarify for others who may have thought the same things.

  • Reply 55 of 244
    I hope that Apple releases this 4" iPhone. That is the one that I want to own. If they do this, it would show that Tim Cook is returning to his senses. The final thing they also need to do is bring back the 17" MacBook Pro. It is IMPOSSIBLE to do video editing on a 15" laptop.
  • Reply 56 of 244
    rogifanrogifan Posts: 10,669member
    I think Apple should have three phones - entry level, midtier, high-end. I don't think they should necessarily be dictated by screen size. I don't agree with this idea that bigger equals more premium. I understand that a bigger screen will cost more. And a bigger device allows for a bigger battery. Outside of that why should a bigger screen get a better camera or a better processor or more ram? I'm sure there are lots of people that would pay for a 4.7" iPhone with OIS and retina HD. I'm not sure where you draw the line to keep a simplified line up though.
  • Reply 57 of 244
    jfc1138jfc1138 Posts: 3,090member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tundraboy View Post

     

    I hope this 4" 6s mini has the same processor and storage options as its larger brethren. And is Apple Pay capable.




    Those are surely doable, what would likely take a hit is battery life.

  • Reply 58 of 244
    ggfggf Posts: 42member

    Like a number of other users, I would be happy to see a new 4 inch phone but not happy if it was restricted to the low end.  I want a compact phone with touch ID, apple pay. the best camera they can fit in it and as much memory as possible. 

     

    I use my phone for four main things - as a phone, as a wireless hotspot for my other devices, and to play music and as my go anywhere camera, anything beyond this is not much value to me. I use apps for a variety of things but generally do not surf the web, play games or watch video on the phone.

     

    As a result I don't care about screen size or graphics performance on the phone. I have an iPad mini if I want to surf the web, play games or watch videos on the road and at home I have a choice of devices. Similarly, I have an SLR for serious photography.

     

    I do care about the width and height of a phone so that I can fit it in various pockets but I do not care about thin. The thicker they make it within reason and the more battery they can put in the better. In many ways I like the feeling of weight in my hand that comes from the thickness and I do value battery life.

     

    I think there are enough like me that this is a market worth serving. A significant proportion of my friends are of similar view and there are many posters online who agree with me. I do not begrudge those that want a big screen but  that does not work for me.

     

    Apples best customers are not the ones who buy one device and want it to do everything they are the ones like me that own multiple devices. People who want everything in one device are not the main source of cashflow. Apple products to not generally wear out. People like me who own multiple devices choose a combination that best suits our lifestyle and upgrade when there are compelling technological reasons to upgrade. 

     

    I currently own and use an ipod shuffle that I use solely while exercising, an iphone 5, a iPad mini, a macbook air and a mac mini. 

     

    I would have upgraded my phone in October if they had produced a 64 Gb 4 inch model but will delay the phone upgrade indefinitely until I can get a small phone that will hold my music collection.

  • Reply 59 of 244
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TeaEarleGreyHot View Post

     

    I'm ready to upgrade now, but I don't want the larger size. Give me the modern processor, biometric locking, the improved camera, etc, but in the size of the 5 and I'll buy it. Today.  I'd buy the 5s if it wasn't so close to EOL.




    Me to. 

    I have a 6, love the apple pay, love the camera quality - but would downsize (but not down feature) if it were possible. I only went to a 6 for the apple pay, and i wanted larger memory than the one i had.

  • Reply 60 of 244
    jingojingo Posts: 117member
    Yay! I'm all up for one. Personally I would be most happy with a 4" screen model which was as thick as the 4/4S to provide excellent battery life. At present I am sticking with my 4S until a new model comes along that is smaller than a 6. Features that I would like:

    %u2022 Decent battery life (ideally two days without a charge) - thicker is fine to achieve this.
    %u2022 NFC & TouchID
    %u2022 6-class camera

    Otherwise pretty much all as the 5S. Basically a 5S with NFC, better camera and MORE BATTERY LIFE.
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