Winning a lawsuit won't fix stupidity and consumer sloth.
Again, I'm not in favor of the lawsuit, but if they win they would fix Apple "sloth" and cause them to be more forthcoming. Are you really arguing that Apple shouldn't include "3GB of storage is reserved for the operating system and other non-user-removable files; this figure subject to change with future OS changes." in their half page of footnotes?
Would it be so hard to include it in this doozy of a footnote?
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So you are arguing that everyone should know the intricate tech details about how things they use everyday work down to minutia like filesystems and GB vs GiB? Do you even practice that yourself? What about outside of computers? Do you know exactly how your refrigerator works? Do you know all the details about how car works?
People shouldn't have to become experts in everything. Just because someone doesn't know as much as you do about their phone doesn't mean they are stupid or sloths. It just means they've spent time becoming experts in something else so that you don't have to know everything either.
It's your responsibility as a consumer to adequately research and compare before purchasing. Grow up. This is how things work.
Again, I'm not in favor of the lawsuit, but if they win they would fix Apple "sloth" and cause them to be more forthcoming. Are you really arguing that Apple shouldn't include "3GB of storage is reserved for the operating system and other non-user-removable files; this figure subject to change with future OS changes." in their half page of footnotes?
Would it be so hard to include it in this doozy of a footnote?
No, they shouldn't include "3GB of storage is reserved for the operating system and other non-user-removable files" because the OS doesn't take up 3GB.
Where is the emoji that rolls it eyes? because that's exactly what i did when i saw this header. seriously? there are so many manufactures out there that have had cellphones long prior to apple why is it only an issue now? because apple is killing the mobile industry?
It's your responsibility as a consumer to adequately research and compare before purchasing. Grow up. This is how things work.
Am I reading the lawsuit correctly that it's more about the lack of disclosure that upgrading from iOS7 to 8 is going to reduce the available storage by a significant amount on users 16GB iPhones?
EDIT: Yes, that appears to be the case. It's not that the plaintiffs were unaware that an OS eats up some of the stated storage capacity. It's that they did not expect iOS8 to take yet another 20% plus of their available storage when they upgraded from their original iOS7, nor did Apple disclose what they felt was a significant impact on their user available storage.
So I just checked my iPad which I have been using now for 2 1/2 yaers now. It has 32GB of memory. Even after all this time I still have over 16GB available. Maybe I should sue because Apple sold me more memory than I need.
No, they shouldn't include "3GB of storage is reserved for the operating system and other non-user-removable files" because the OS doesn't take up 3GB.
READ THE FUCKING IMAGE YOU POSTED!!!
Whoa, chill out dude. I don't know what you're referring to, but the image that Rogifan posted (and the table in the court filing) shows that more than 3GB is unavailable for end-user use. Seriously, what are you talking about?
Seems no different from about 20 years ago when companies were saying their monitors were larger than they really were for all intents and purposes.
It's a bit unfair for any company to say you have a 16 gig device by implying you have 16 gigs of stuff to put on it. They should have actual amount available. It can't be that hard to be upfront. Ho hum.
Where are they getting their figures from? Why would iOS take up more space on an iPod than an iPhone? And are these people going to sue every other manufacturer since they're even worse than Apple in this regard?
In case someone else needs help with math. 16GB - 12.6GB = 3.4GB and 16GB - 12.2GB = 3.8GB. And 3.4 > 3.0. Does someone need a timeout?
It's your responsibility as a consumer to adequately research and compare before purchasing.
Where does the adequate research end? The box says 16GB of storage. A reasonable expectation is that it would hold 16GB of files. When I bought a refrigerator, it listed it's capacity in cubic feet. That capacity wasn't reduced by the motor and other internals -- that was already taken out of the listed capacity.
At some point the consumer has to trust the manufacturer -- should they have to know how much space *could* be taken up by a future OS update? There is no way for them to find that on the box or the website. Should they have to know the details of how the filesystem divides up space on the flash drive? Should they know about how MLC nand differs from TLC nand?
Modern devices have gotten way too complicated for any one person to completely understand how they work. And if the people working on the devices can't understand them completely, how is an average consumer supposed to?
Whoa, chill out dude. I don't know what you're referring to, but the image that Rogifan posted (and the table in the court filing) shows that more than 3GB is unavailable for end-user use. Seriously, what are you talking about?
HOLY FUCKING CRAP ON A CRACKER!
One last time. This is a tech site so I do expect everyone to know about binary.
Where does the adequate research end? The box says 16GB of storage. A reasonable expectation is that it would hold 16GB of files. When I bought a refrigerator, it listed it's capacity in cubic feet. That capacity wasn't reduced by the motor and other internals -- that was already taken out of the listed capacity.
At some point the consumer has to trust the manufacturer -- should they have to know how much space *could* be taken up by a future OS update? There is no way for them to find that on the box or the website. Should they have to know the details of how the filesystem divides up space on the flash drive? Should they know about how MLC nand differs from TLC nand?
Modern devices have gotten way too complicated for any one person to completely understand how they work. And if the people working on the devices can't understand them completely, how is an average consumer supposed to?
Thank you. That's a much better analogy than my flawed gas tank capacity one (for a few reasons).
Apple tends to be very good about under promising and over delivering (see how they talk about battery life). This storage capacity issue is an exception.
A reasonable expectation is that it would hold 16GB of files.
And the capacity is 16GB. In fact, every device has a capacity slightly over 16GB. What it doesn't have is 16GiB of capacity or 16GiB of capacity after the drive is formatted and the OS installed. If you had an issue with that — as I did with the former issue of the polysemes — then it's something you should have been aware of a very long time ago, and not something you attribure to Apple or iOS 8. This is an industry issue, not something that never would have happened if Steve Jobs were alive.
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Winning a lawsuit won't fix stupidity and consumer sloth.
Again, I'm not in favor of the lawsuit, but if they win they would fix Apple "sloth" and cause them to be more forthcoming. Are you really arguing that Apple shouldn't include "3GB of storage is reserved for the operating system and other non-user-removable files; this figure subject to change with future OS changes." in their half page of footnotes?
Would it be so hard to include it in this doozy of a footnote?
No it's not.
Is that right? Ok, show me on Apple site where they explain this in more detail.
It's your responsibility as a consumer to adequately research and compare before purchasing. Grow up. This is how things work.
What's their specific point about iOS 8 that isn't a point in iOS 7?
I've read the entire brief and they seem muddled about iOS 8 versus the devices. I can't explain that.
READ THE FUCKING IMAGE YOU POSTED!!!
It's your responsibility as a consumer to adequately research and compare before purchasing. Grow up. This is how things work.
Like it or not, there are consumer protection laws and truth in advertising rules. That's how things work.
Pass all the laws you want, they'll just keep making "better idiots".
Where is the emoji that rolls it eyes? because that's exactly what i did when i saw this header. seriously? there are so many manufactures out there that have had cellphones long prior to apple why is it only an issue now? because apple is killing the mobile industry?
Am I reading the lawsuit correctly that it's more about the lack of disclosure that upgrading from iOS7 to 8 is going to reduce the available storage by a significant amount on users 16GB iPhones?
EDIT: Yes, that appears to be the case. It's not that the plaintiffs were unaware that an OS eats up some of the stated storage capacity. It's that they did not expect iOS8 to take yet another 20% plus of their available storage when they upgraded from their original iOS7, nor did Apple disclose what they felt was a significant impact on their user available storage.
No, they shouldn't include "3GB of storage is reserved for the operating system and other non-user-removable files" because the OS doesn't take up 3GB.
READ THE FUCKING IMAGE YOU POSTED!!!
Whoa, chill out dude. I don't know what you're referring to, but the image that Rogifan posted (and the table in the court filing) shows that more than 3GB is unavailable for end-user use. Seriously, what are you talking about?
It's a bit unfair for any company to say you have a 16 gig device by implying you have 16 gigs of stuff to put on it. They should have actual amount available. It can't be that hard to be upfront. Ho hum.
Where are they getting their figures from? Why would iOS take up more space on an iPod than an iPhone? And are these people going to sue every other manufacturer since they're even worse than Apple in this regard?
In case someone else needs help with math. 16GB - 12.6GB = 3.4GB and 16GB - 12.2GB = 3.8GB. And 3.4 > 3.0. Does someone need a timeout?
It's your responsibility as a consumer to adequately research and compare before purchasing.
Where does the adequate research end? The box says 16GB of storage. A reasonable expectation is that it would hold 16GB of files. When I bought a refrigerator, it listed it's capacity in cubic feet. That capacity wasn't reduced by the motor and other internals -- that was already taken out of the listed capacity.
At some point the consumer has to trust the manufacturer -- should they have to know how much space *could* be taken up by a future OS update? There is no way for them to find that on the box or the website. Should they have to know the details of how the filesystem divides up space on the flash drive? Should they know about how MLC nand differs from TLC nand?
Modern devices have gotten way too complicated for any one person to completely understand how they work. And if the people working on the devices can't understand them completely, how is an average consumer supposed to?
HOLY FUCKING CRAP ON A CRACKER!
One last time. This is a tech site so I do expect everyone to know about binary.
Where does the adequate research end? The box says 16GB of storage. A reasonable expectation is that it would hold 16GB of files. When I bought a refrigerator, it listed it's capacity in cubic feet. That capacity wasn't reduced by the motor and other internals -- that was already taken out of the listed capacity.
At some point the consumer has to trust the manufacturer -- should they have to know how much space *could* be taken up by a future OS update? There is no way for them to find that on the box or the website. Should they have to know the details of how the filesystem divides up space on the flash drive? Should they know about how MLC nand differs from TLC nand?
Modern devices have gotten way too complicated for any one person to completely understand how they work. And if the people working on the devices can't understand them completely, how is an average consumer supposed to?
Thank you. That's a much better analogy than my flawed gas tank capacity one (for a few reasons).
Apple tends to be very good about under promising and over delivering (see how they talk about battery life). This storage capacity issue is an exception.
And the capacity is 16GB. In fact, every device has a capacity slightly over 16GB. What it doesn't have is 16GiB of capacity or 16GiB of capacity after the drive is formatted and the OS installed. If you had an issue with that — as I did with the former issue of the polysemes — then it's something you should have been aware of a very long time ago, and not something you attribure to Apple or iOS 8. This is an industry issue, not something that never would have happened if Steve Jobs were alive.