Ha ha!!!!!!! What an idiot!!! The one phone that DOES NOT HAVE A BACKDOOR he is afraid of? The only phone that DOES NOT have malware that could get to your data he's afraid of? Really? Guess this guy isn't as smart as the media has portrayed him to be.
Use one of those FRAGMADROIDS and you will be hacked.
I don't know, man. I am of the belief that what the NSA/DOD/FBI/CIA cartel is capable of is light years ahead of what can be done in the private sector. I know Google/Apple have bright people, but they don't have the lawlessness and resources of the military/government.
Apple is most likely telling the truth, but you can't prove a negative. Of course they're going to come out and say, "Our phones do not have a back door." But can you say that with 100% certainty? The only backdoors we know about are the ones that are compromised. Can we then deduce that there are backdoors out there that we (and Apple) haven't a clue about, a backdoor that is activated by one person in an NSA bunker 100 feet underground, using code that is so advanced that it would make all the scientists at Carnegie-Mellon run out and jump over the nearest bridge?
I'm not defending the CIA or the NSA or the US govt here, and there are definitely certain activities that the US engages in that is illegal. That doesn't change what Snowden did, and what he did was also certainly illegal, and he should answer for his crimes.
Raif Badawi was sentenced to 10 years in prison and 1,000 lashes for a blog criticizing Saudi Arabia’s clerics - The Saudi courts / government decided that his acts were illegal. According to most people the punishment is barbaric, and according to a lot of people the Saudis are [fill in abusive terms here]. But who are we to disagree with the Saudi laws?
Breaking the law is generally wrong but as the quote that has been floating around this forum "Just because it is the law it doesn't make it just", illustrates the answer is not black and white. Which leads one to a much more complex set of questions as there clearly is not a simple yes or no answer to any of it.
And it's in NSA interest to plant and spread tales like this if they wish citizens to avoid Apple's encryption.
Exactly this.
Plus, C'MON. DropoutJeep, Straitbizarre, Chimneypool, Freeflow, Turbulence architecture. Did they just use a random word generator?
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at the bottom of that leak it says "the initial release of DROPOUTJEEP will focus on installing the implant via close access methods"
In other words, they need access to the phone to install the special software. There is nothing special about this.
It certainly doesn't suggest that anyone has hacked into the Apple iOS. There are already bits of software you can get off Cydia that will bug someone's iPhone if you install it.
Yes, the US govt or the CIA or whoever should send out a hit squad and either assasinate him or bring him back to face justice, whichever is most convenient. That's what I believe. It doesn't matter which country the rat is currently hiding in.
You condone illegal act after illegal act.
Nobody would be safe in your world... not even yourself.
Paxman, if Snowden were living in Saudi Arabia and acting against their state, your example would carry a lot of weight. Within the justice system of the U.S., not so much.
I guess you didn't hear. The USA is actually the most adept at comprehensive spying on its citizens' and the world's communication. And we know this because of Snowden. You can't keep making the "freedom" argument once your ostensibly libertine government is revealed to have been doing the same - and to an extent previously unimaginable.
Oh, give me a BREAK! Talk to people that actually live there and ask them what liberty they actually have. I've got many friends in Kaliningrad and I'm telling you your affirmation is so incredibly laughable!
In China (and Russia to a lesser degree), everyone's spied on and we are not talking meta data here. Try posting ANYTHING against the government on the internet in China and see how long it will take you before you end up expelled (if your a foreigner) or behind bars if your a native Chinese. Talk to people that actually live there and ask them how much liberty they actually have!
90% of what he's "exposed" was actually not unconstitutinal at all. If he'd concentrated on those 10% I'd support him. But, he just seems like he hated the NSA/Police/Surveillance on principle and just took everything he could
Many of these things he released ARE STILL IN USE NOW. Both party GOP, democrats knew what was going on (Intelligence commitee), they just nodded their head and continued doing just the same because... they were legal. People may not agree with them, even if legal and a logical extension of the patriot act; that's a seperate issue entirely.
That he lives in Russia of all place, a place were he (and a good chunk of the population) is 100% sure being watched like a hawk, is beyond ironic.
I haven't followed his information release but why is anything related to unauthorized spying on its citizens constitutional at all? I'm more worried about why we let the 90% slide rather than the 10%.
I find the pic posted with the tech CEOs and Obama troubling.
It's disingenuous to portray his being in Russia as political hypocrisy. He's in Russia because the U.S. cancelled his passport after he'd landed at the Moscow airport, which made it impossible for him to choose to be anywhere else. His choices are Russia or U.S. prison. It would serve no purpose to stand trial in the U.S. because laws he's charged under won't allow him to present a defense based on why he did it. Anything he'd want to say in court to justify his actions would never be heard by the jury.
Yet, he spouts outrageous claims about surveillance in Russia VS the US. If he just shut up and lived his life I'd be OK with that.
He comes out like a regime mouthpiece/puppet these days; not good at all.
If Snowden had evidence that revealed that the American government was infecting African American soldiers with syphillis or overdosing patients with LSD. I hope we would all stand up and say this has to stop, even if we know that we will be executed to prevent this from coming out.
I haven't followed his information release but why is anything related to unauthorized spying on its citizens constitutional at all? I'm more worried about why we let the 90% slide rather than the 10%.
I find the pic posted with the tech CEOs and Obama troubling.
A lot of the things he dumped were not at all related to that. You know that yet you continue hero worshipping him. They were things that were known by the Intelligence committee and authorized by the patriot's act. He disagreed with the act itself and that's why he released things that were legal under its provisions.
Like I said, if he'd concentrated on the 10%, I'd be all for it.... Yet, more and more and more things come out that have nothing to do with that at all.
The latest, was the NSA programs to hijack botnets/control them, send malware attacks to honeypots, etc. All legal, even useful for national security, yet he took that and released it too. Even releasing source code!
If I were him, I wouldn't be touching any phones at all.
I believe that somebody needs to bust a cap in his ass. He's a traitor, a rat, and he'll eventually get what's coming to him, when tried and convicted.
You've obviously never read the Bill of Rights within the US Constitution, don't understand what Edward Snowden revealed or why, haven't studied history to understand why an omniscient and/or omnipotent government is a very, very bad idea, or all three. Edward Snowden is not a traitor as you so flippantly accuse, but rather one who had the courage to stand up and show every American how their natural rights and Constitutionally-protected freedoms were being trampled upon. I'm surprised you even mention due process, since you clearly do not understand the proper role of government.
If being wiling to expose the truth of evil and tyranny makes one a traitor or a rat, then please number me among those ranks.
Go figure a post like this would bring out Apple ]['s BS, what a disgusting human being, and still can't believe he hasn't been banned, especially with some of the new rules Ai has put up! I lost count how many of your posts here I not only found offensive to the HIGHEST degree, but made me want to physically punch you out for being such a filthy douchebag.
Can you give us some examples of "good illegal", vis-a-vis its own citizens?
We are at war, and I don't have any have issues with the govt spying on certain people within our borders, be they citizens, foreign nationals or illegals. They are all fair game in my opinion.
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One of the most repellent things you've ever said here. I suppose you get language like this from watching movies, since I doubt you're such a tough guy in real life.
Anyway, you are saying that someone should assassinate him, correct? Do you think this is civil discourse in an international forum on technology?
Ireland is right, you are a disgrace.
Now you believe what's been said about him? I think your defense of him the other day is wavering.
A lot of the things he dumped were not at all related to that. You know that yet you continue hero worshipping him. They were things that were known by the Intelligence committee and authorized by the patriot's act. He disagreed with the act itself and that's why he released things that were legal under its provisions.
Like I said, if he'd concentrated on the 10%, I'd be all for it.... Yet, more and more and more things come out that have nothing to do with that at all.
The latest, was the NSA programs to hijack botnets/control them, send malware attacks to honeypots, etc. All legal, even useful for national security, yet he took that and released it too. Even releasing source code!
Like I said I don't follow him and I'm hoping your claim of me hero worshipping him was rhetorical hyperbole. I'm a simple guy and believe the government should build road and defend our nation not spy on us and call it protecting us. My comment wasn't directed at you as an aggressive post just inquiring why you're worried about the small portion rather than the big picture.
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Ha ha!!!!!!! What an idiot!!! The one phone that DOES NOT HAVE A BACKDOOR he is afraid of? The only phone that DOES NOT have malware that could get to your data he's afraid of? Really? Guess this guy isn't as smart as the media has portrayed him to be.
Use one of those FRAGMADROIDS and you will be hacked.
Apple is most likely telling the truth, but you can't prove a negative. Of course they're going to come out and say, "Our phones do not have a back door." But can you say that with 100% certainty? The only backdoors we know about are the ones that are compromised. Can we then deduce that there are backdoors out there that we (and Apple) haven't a clue about, a backdoor that is activated by one person in an NSA bunker 100 feet underground, using code that is so advanced that it would make all the scientists at Carnegie-Mellon run out and jump over the nearest bridge?
I don't know, man.
I'm not defending the CIA or the NSA or the US govt here, and there are definitely certain activities that the US engages in that is illegal. That doesn't change what Snowden did, and what he did was also certainly illegal, and he should answer for his crimes.
Raif Badawi was sentenced to 10 years in prison and 1,000 lashes for a blog criticizing Saudi Arabia’s clerics - The Saudi courts / government decided that his acts were illegal. According to most people the punishment is barbaric, and according to a lot of people the Saudis are [fill in abusive terms here]. But who are we to disagree with the Saudi laws?
Breaking the law is generally wrong but as the quote that has been floating around this forum "Just because it is the law it doesn't make it just", illustrates the answer is not black and white. Which leads one to a much more complex set of questions as there clearly is not a simple yes or no answer to any of it.
And it's in NSA interest to plant and spread tales like this if they wish citizens to avoid Apple's encryption.
Exactly this.
Plus, C'MON. DropoutJeep, Straitbizarre, Chimneypool, Freeflow, Turbulence architecture. Did they just use a random word generator?
PLUS
at the bottom of that leak it says "the initial release of DROPOUTJEEP will focus on installing the implant via close access methods"
In other words, they need access to the phone to install the special software. There is nothing special about this.
It certainly doesn't suggest that anyone has hacked into the Apple iOS. There are already bits of software you can get off Cydia that will bug someone's iPhone if you install it.
Yes, the US govt or the CIA or whoever should send out a hit squad and either assasinate him or bring him back to face justice, whichever is most convenient. That's what I believe. It doesn't matter which country the rat is currently hiding in.
You condone illegal act after illegal act.
Nobody would be safe in your world... not even yourself.
I guess you didn't hear. The USA is actually the most adept at comprehensive spying on its citizens' and the world's communication. And we know this because of Snowden. You can't keep making the "freedom" argument once your ostensibly libertine government is revealed to have been doing the same - and to an extent previously unimaginable.
Oh, give me a BREAK! Talk to people that actually live there and ask them what liberty they actually have. I've got many friends in Kaliningrad and I'm telling you your affirmation is so incredibly laughable!
In China (and Russia to a lesser degree), everyone's spied on and we are not talking meta data here. Try posting ANYTHING against the government on the internet in China and see how long it will take you before you end up expelled (if your a foreigner) or behind bars if your a native Chinese. Talk to people that actually live there and ask them how much liberty they actually have!
I haven't followed his information release but why is anything related to unauthorized spying on its citizens constitutional at all? I'm more worried about why we let the 90% slide rather than the 10%.
I find the pic posted with the tech CEOs and Obama troubling.
It's disingenuous to portray his being in Russia as political hypocrisy. He's in Russia because the U.S. cancelled his passport after he'd landed at the Moscow airport, which made it impossible for him to choose to be anywhere else. His choices are Russia or U.S. prison. It would serve no purpose to stand trial in the U.S. because laws he's charged under won't allow him to present a defense based on why he did it. Anything he'd want to say in court to justify his actions would never be heard by the jury.
Yet, he spouts outrageous claims about surveillance in Russia VS the US. If he just shut up and lived his life I'd be OK with that.
He comes out like a regime mouthpiece/puppet these days; not good at all.
You condone illegal act after illegal act.
Nobody would be safe in your world... not even yourself.
Govts have always engaged in certain "illegal" activities. There's good illegal and then there's bad illegal. It all depends.
If Snowden had evidence that revealed that the American government was infecting African American soldiers with syphillis or overdosing patients with LSD. I hope we would all stand up and say this has to stop, even if we know that we will be executed to prevent this from coming out.
I haven't followed his information release but why is anything related to unauthorized spying on its citizens constitutional at all? I'm more worried about why we let the 90% slide rather than the 10%.
I find the pic posted with the tech CEOs and Obama troubling.
A lot of the things he dumped were not at all related to that. You know that yet you continue hero worshipping him. They were things that were known by the Intelligence committee and authorized by the patriot's act. He disagreed with the act itself and that's why he released things that were legal under its provisions.
Like I said, if he'd concentrated on the 10%, I'd be all for it.... Yet, more and more and more things come out that have nothing to do with that at all.
The latest, was the NSA programs to hijack botnets/control them, send malware attacks to honeypots, etc. All legal, even useful for national security, yet he took that and released it too. Even releasing source code!
If I were him, I wouldn't be touching any phones at all.
I believe that somebody needs to bust a cap in his ass. He's a traitor, a rat, and he'll eventually get what's coming to him, when tried and convicted.
You've obviously never read the Bill of Rights within the US Constitution, don't understand what Edward Snowden revealed or why, haven't studied history to understand why an omniscient and/or omnipotent government is a very, very bad idea, or all three. Edward Snowden is not a traitor as you so flippantly accuse, but rather one who had the courage to stand up and show every American how their natural rights and Constitutionally-protected freedoms were being trampled upon. I'm surprised you even mention due process, since you clearly do not understand the proper role of government.
If being wiling to expose the truth of evil and tyranny makes one a traitor or a rat, then please number me among those ranks.
Govts have always engaged in certain "illegal" activities. There's good illegal and then there's bad illegal. It all depends.
Can you give us some examples of "good illegal", vis-a-vis its own citizens?
Can you give us some examples of "good illegal", vis-a-vis its own citizens?
We are at war, and I don't have any have issues with the govt spying on certain people within our borders, be they citizens, foreign nationals or illegals. They are all fair game in my opinion.
The funny part is that all of the liberals who hated Bush, thought that things would change when Obama got elected.
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Now you believe what's been said about him? I think your defense of him the other day is wavering.
Like I said I don't follow him and I'm hoping your claim of me hero worshipping him was rhetorical hyperbole. I'm a simple guy and believe the government should build road and defend our nation not spy on us and call it protecting us. My comment wasn't directed at you as an aggressive post just inquiring why you're worried about the small portion rather than the big picture.