We are at war, and I don't have any have issues with the govt spying on certain people within our borders, be they citizens, foreign nationals or illegals. They are all fair game in my opinion.
The funny part is that all of the liberals who hated Bush, thought that things would change when Obama got elected." src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
If I were him, I wouldn't be touching any phones at all.
I believe that somebody needs to bust a cap in his ass. He's a traitor, a rat, and he'll eventually get what's coming to him, when tried and convicted.
Not at all. Illegal is not black or white. It all depends. Some laws are good, some laws are bad. Some things that are illegal should be legal and vice versa.
No one who lives in Russia for a couple years is gonna be immune to developing a little healthy paranoia, including Edward Snowden. Who I have to say I don't give a rat's what he thinks.
Go figure a post like this would bring out Apple ]['s BS, what a disgusting human being, and still can't believe he hasn't been banned, especially with some of the new rules Ai has put up! I lost count how many of your posts here I not only found offensive to the HIGHEST degree, but made me want to physically punch you out for being such a filthy douchebag.
You must be one of those "non-violent" liberals who would ironically resort to violence when they encounter an opinion that they don't like. " src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
The Government failed in its obligation first by violating the constitution. They broke the contract and chose to hide that fact. How else is the truth to be exposed? Are you honesty saying that you'd rather live in ignorance of the violation of your "God given" rights rather than someone expose some info about the governments spying practices? Please. You are aware that there have been numerous attempt at estimating the "damage" done by snowden and they all fail to find any concrete examples of harm ? Do you have any concrete examples of specific harm that has come from the release of the info?
I agree. I don't see this issue as liberal vs conservative at all.
A country can't have low level punks deciding to leak confidential info, no matter what their supposed reasons or motivations are. He was trusted to do his job, not to betray his country.
If I were him, I wouldn't be touching any phones at all.
I believe that somebody needs to bust a cap in his ass. He's a traitor, a rat, and he'll eventually get what's coming to him, when tried and convicted.
RIGHT.
From this I would have to assume you believe the US Government and its various agencies to be benevolent organizations that are doing what they can for the betterment of their people, and all people.
As opposed to the unbelievably evil, lying, psychopathic murderous monsters that they actually are.
Not at all. Illegal is not black or white. It all depends. Some laws are good, some laws are bad. Some things that are illegal should be legal and vice versa.
... and who gets to decide this? You?
That's f*ckin' terrifying.
I'll take Snowden's actions long before I'd live in your world.
I'll take Snowden's actions long before I'd live in your world.
Of course I do. Every free thinking, intelligent person can decide for themselves what is ultimately right and what is wrong.
As for Snowden, his world is currently Russia. My world is currently the USA. I'd rather be living in my world, instead of his. " src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
Can you give us some examples of "good illegal", vis-a-vis its own citizens?
We are at war, and I don't have any have issues with the govt spying on certain people within our borders, be they citizens, foreign nationals or illegals. They are all fair game in my opinion.
The funny part is that all of the liberals who hated Bush, thought that things would change when Obama got elected.
Like I said I don't follow him and I'm hoping your claim of me hero worshipping him was rhetorical hyperbole. I'm a simple guy and believe the government should build road and defend our nation not spy on us and call it protecting us. My comment wasn't directed at you as an aggressive post just inquiring why you're worried about the small portion rather than the big picture.
Supporting someone without question (especially since you admit not knowing the whole info) is all I see online. Yet, when I confront people about it, their retort is always very week. This is what annoys me.
The big picture is that people have been willfully blind in thinking you can easily find out about future attacks without a big step up in surveillance; that's what the patriot act was all about.
Yes, there have been excesses that went beyond the act, just like there have been excesses in the Police, the CIA and the FBI (revealed countless times over the decades). That's why I don't see what he put out as surprising at all.
But, even without those excesses, we don't go back to a world without surveillance, not at all.
Plenty of it is currently authorized by congress.
Is the American public comfortable with what the patriot act allows in exchange for the hypothetical (and unpredictable) increase in security it affords them. That's the BIG PICTURE. Not, what Snowden let out, but the authorized programs that ran those things that are still active.
The US public needs to decide once and for all if it worth it for them; that hypothetical increase in security.
Putting their fingers in their ears and saying "I don't want to know about it", is no longer an option.
Of course I do. Every free thinking, intelligent person can decide for themselves what is ultimately right and what is wrong.
As for Snowden, his world is currently Russia. My world is currently the USA. I'd rather be living in my world, instead of his. " src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
You should actually read my post... I said Snowden's "actions" and nothing about where he lives.
... and, the majority of Americans think Snowden did the right thing and is not a traitor. So you lose on this one.
The 'certain' people are the ones who pose a threat. Let's say that the govt has knowledge of potential terrorists that are currently in the country, then I sure would hope that the govt is tapping the hell out of their phones and computers. Terrorists are using social media more and more to communicate and to conduct their activities, and it would be foolish to not conduct surveillance on those types of people.
I'm not sure what you mean by 'all' people. I am not for 'all' people.
From this I would have to assume you believe the US Government and its various agencies to be benevolent organizations that are doing what they can for the betterment of their people, and all people.
As opposed to the unbelievably evil, lying, psychopathic murderous monsters that they actually are.
Enjoy denial, and ignorance.
Or, maybe they are neither psychopatic, evil or milketoast and benevolent... Like most humans.
Seeing all as black or white is never a good solution ;-).
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We are at war, and I don't have any have issues with the govt spying on certain people within our borders, be they citizens, foreign nationals or illegals. They are all fair game in my opinion.
The funny part is that all of the liberals who hated Bush, thought that things would change when Obama got elected.
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10% unemployment to 6%
Stock Market from $6,500 to $17,000
Housing starts best since 2007
Automotive sales way up
Gasoline price $3.50 to $1.70
Yes, give me more of this!!!!!!
If I were him, I wouldn't be touching any phones at all.
I believe that somebody needs to bust a cap in his ass. He's a traitor, a rat, and he'll eventually get what's coming to him, when tried and convicted.
You forgot whack-a-doodle
Govts have always engaged in certain "illegal" activities. There's good illegal and then there's bad illegal. It all depends.
Now you're getting childish.
Yes, give me more of this!!!!!!
You're talking about economic issues, but what about national security issues?
And I'm correct that the very things that liberals hated about Bush, Obama has only increased the tempo.
Drone Warfare
More than 2,400 dead as Obama’s drone campaign marks five years
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Now you're getting childish.
Not at all. Illegal is not black or white. It all depends. Some laws are good, some laws are bad. Some things that are illegal should be legal and vice versa.
Go figure a post like this would bring out Apple ]['s BS, what a disgusting human being, and still can't believe he hasn't been banned, especially with some of the new rules Ai has put up! I lost count how many of your posts here I not only found offensive to the HIGHEST degree, but made me want to physically punch you out for being such a filthy douchebag.
You must be one of those "non-violent" liberals who would ironically resort to violence when they encounter an opinion that they don't like.
You're talking about economic issues, but what about national security issues?
And I'm correct that the very things that liberals hated about Bush, Obama has only increased the tempo.
Drone Warfare
More than 2,400 dead as Obama’s drone campaign marks five years
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There are high estimates of 1,500,000 enemy dead, even if that number is half. What are you talking about?
If I were him, I wouldn't be touching any phones at all.
I believe that somebody needs to bust a cap in his ass. He's a traitor, a rat, and he'll eventually get what's coming to him, when tried and convicted.
RIGHT.
From this I would have to assume you believe the US Government and its various agencies to be benevolent organizations that are doing what they can for the betterment of their people, and all people.
As opposed to the unbelievably evil, lying, psychopathic murderous monsters that they actually are.
Enjoy denial, and ignorance.
Not at all. Illegal is not black or white. It all depends. Some laws are good, some laws are bad. Some things that are illegal should be legal and vice versa.
... and who gets to decide this? You?
That's f*ckin' terrifying.
I'll take Snowden's actions long before I'd live in your world.
... and who gets to decide this? You?
That's f*ckin' terrifying.
I'll take Snowden's actions long before I'd live in your world.
Of course I do. Every free thinking, intelligent person can decide for themselves what is ultimately right and what is wrong.
As for Snowden, his world is currently Russia. My world is currently the USA. I'd rather be living in my world, instead of his.
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Who are these 'certain' people?
And, how do you feel about 'all' people?
There are high estimates of 1,500,000 enemy dead, even if that number is half. What are you talking about?
I wasn't talking about the total number of supposed enemy dead. Those figures do not interest me in the least and they are pretty meaningless.
I was specifically talking about the number of drone attacks, which have increased with Obama.
Like I said I don't follow him and I'm hoping your claim of me hero worshipping him was rhetorical hyperbole. I'm a simple guy and believe the government should build road and defend our nation not spy on us and call it protecting us. My comment wasn't directed at you as an aggressive post just inquiring why you're worried about the small portion rather than the big picture.
Supporting someone without question (especially since you admit not knowing the whole info) is all I see online. Yet, when I confront people about it, their retort is always very week. This is what annoys me.
The big picture is that people have been willfully blind in thinking you can easily find out about future attacks without a big step up in surveillance; that's what the patriot act was all about.
Yes, there have been excesses that went beyond the act, just like there have been excesses in the Police, the CIA and the FBI (revealed countless times over the decades). That's why I don't see what he put out as surprising at all.
But, even without those excesses, we don't go back to a world without surveillance, not at all.
Plenty of it is currently authorized by congress.
Is the American public comfortable with what the patriot act allows in exchange for the hypothetical (and unpredictable) increase in security it affords them. That's the BIG PICTURE. Not, what Snowden let out, but the authorized programs that ran those things that are still active.
The US public needs to decide once and for all if it worth it for them; that hypothetical increase in security.
Putting their fingers in their ears and saying "I don't want to know about it", is no longer an option.
Of course I do. Every free thinking, intelligent person can decide for themselves what is ultimately right and what is wrong.
As for Snowden, his world is currently Russia. My world is currently the USA. I'd rather be living in my world, instead of his.
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You should actually read my post... I said Snowden's "actions" and nothing about where he lives.
... and, the majority of Americans think Snowden did the right thing and is not a traitor. So you lose on this one.
http://www.newsweek.com/most-americans-think-snowden-did-right-thing-poll-says-253163
Who are these 'certain' people?
And, how do you feel about 'all' people?
The 'certain' people are the ones who pose a threat. Let's say that the govt has knowledge of potential terrorists that are currently in the country, then I sure would hope that the govt is tapping the hell out of their phones and computers. Terrorists are using social media more and more to communicate and to conduct their activities, and it would be foolish to not conduct surveillance on those types of people.
I'm not sure what you mean by 'all' people. I am not for 'all' people.
RIGHT.
From this I would have to assume you believe the US Government and its various agencies to be benevolent organizations that are doing what they can for the betterment of their people, and all people.
As opposed to the unbelievably evil, lying, psychopathic murderous monsters that they actually are.
Enjoy denial, and ignorance.
Or, maybe they are neither psychopatic, evil or milketoast and benevolent... Like most humans.
Seeing all as black or white is never a good solution ;-).