Of course I do. Every free thinking, intelligent person can decide for themselves what is ultimately right and what is wrong.
As for Snowden, his world is currently Russia. My world is currently the USA. I'd rather be living in my world, instead of his. " src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
I'm embarrassed that so many people believe everything Rush Limbaugh says day in and day out. Literally brain washed, they couldn't like a liberal idea if there life depended on it. Absolutely sheep. They sit around the water cooler all red faced saying whatever the radio tells them to say. And then the so called moral majority who wouldn't give 5 dollars to a homeless person because they want to teach him to fish.
And it's in NSA interest to plant and spread tales like this if they wish citizens to avoid Apple's encryption.
Just like the stories they planted about Europol - for example - being upset with the fabulous encryption inside Skype which frustrated efforts against the Mafia. Just as MSoft was completing the deal to buy Skype.
There is no losing or winning, it's an exchange of opinions, and the 'majority' of Americans have been wrong before, so a Newsweek poll means nothing to me.
If I'm in a room with 9 Fandroids, do you think that I would care that the 'majority' thinks that Apple sucks?
The unemployment rate the Labor Department releases is very misleading. Unemployment in this country is higher than 6%. The real unemployment rate is more like 13% or higher. They aren't counting millions of workers out of a job who aren't looking for work. Obama has nothing to do with gas prices being lower. Auto sales being higher have nothing to do with Obama either. If you look at the statistics, more people are buying cars because auto manufacturers are selling vehicles with 84 month loans, which reduce the monthly payments. Keep drinking your Obama Kool-Aid.
I'm embarrassed that so many people believe everything Rush Limbaugh says day in and day out. Literally brain washed, they couldn't like a liberal idea if there life depended on it. Absolutely sheep. They sit around the water cooler all red faced saying whatever the radio tells them to say. And then the so called moral majority who wouldn't give 5 dollars to a homeless person because they want to teach him to fish.
You should take off your tin foil, assumption filled hat for a moment, because I'm not a Rush Limbaugh listener. We do probably share many of the same opinions, but I have nothing to do with him, and I don't read his site and I don't listen to his show. Unlike group thinking liberals, who are truly sheep, I am a free thinker.
I do agree with the last sentence though. I would never give a penny to any homeless person. It is a very bad mistake to do.
The 'certain' people are the ones who pose a threat. Let's say that the govt has knowledge of potential terrorists that are currently in the country, then I sure would hope that the govt is tapping the hell out of their phones and computers. Terrorists are using social media more and more to communicate and to conduct their activities, and it would be foolish to not conduct surveillance on those types of people.
I'm not sure what you mean by 'all' people. I am not for 'all' people.
What I meant was, collecting data on all people, which is what Snowden is accusing the NSA of doing.
Of course he's going to be paranoid of using an iPhone! Gawd... he illegally download secret government information. I'm sure he was watching over his shoulder on everything he did. I can imagine his paranoia living in Moscow!
There is no losing or winning, it's an exchange of opinions, and the 'majority' of Americans have been wrong before, so a Newsweek poll means nothing to me.
If I'm in a room with 9 Fandroids, do you think that I would care that the 'majority' thinks that Apple sucks?
Couldn't disagree with you more. He exposed the unconstitutional spying and data collection that has gone on AND continues against the Anerican people. Every country spies on each other, but we as citizens are supposed to be protected against government overreach.
This is true and the US use to work with other countries like the UK to gather information on US citizian and share it with the US government. Once the government had what they wanted to know they would then use legal channels to obtain what they need to go after those it felt was doing something wrong, but they also use it in witch hunts.
Snowden will use whatever, and only, what the Glavnoye Razvedyvatel'noye Upravleniye (GRU) tells him to use. And it's been that way from the beginning. This guy doesn't fart without operational permission.
Supporting someone without question (especially since you admit not knowing the whole info) is all I see online. Yet, when I confront people about it, their retort is always very week. This is what annoys me.
The big picture is that people have been willfully blind in thinking you can easily find out about future attacks without a big step up in surveillance; that's what the patriot act was all about.
Yes, there have been excesses that went beyond the act, just like there have been excesses in the Police, the CIA and the FBI (revealed countless times over the decades). That's why I don't see what he put out as surprising at all.
But, even without those excesses, we don't go back to a world without surveillance, not at all.
Plenty of it is currently authorized by congress.
Is the American public comfortable with what the patriot act allows in exchange for the hypothetical (and unpredictable) increase in security it affords them. That's the BIG PICTURE. Not, what Snowden let out, but the authorized programs that ran those things that are still active.
The US public needs to decide once and for all if it worth it for them; that hypothetical increase in security.
Putting their fingers in their ears and saying "I don't want to know about it", is no longer an option.
Perhaps you could relax and read for understanding what I'm saying instead of getting all emotional and irrational. He brings up interesting points that should be investigated. Your ability to read between the lines to paint me a certain way is off putting and shows your ignorance with lack of understanding. Shall I go on
The unemployment rate the Labor Department releases is very misleading. Unemployment in this country is higher than 6%. The real unemployment rate is more like 13% or higher. They aren't counting millions of workers out of a job who aren't looking for work.
The definition of unemployed is someone who is ready to work and has actively sought work within the last 4 weeks.
People who are neither employed nor unemployed are not part of the workforce.
There are a substantial number of people who are under employed and are not part of the 6% figure. There is no question that part time and freelance positions are increasing in the US as they provide economic advantages for corporations. The Labor Department only has figures based on unemployment filings for benefits or employment counseling. 6% is accurate as long as you understand the definitions of the terms.
The unemployment rate also does not factor in either employed or unemployed illegal aliens or other people who work only for undeclared cash.
Supporting someone without question (especially since you admit not knowing the whole info) is all I see online. Yet, when I confront people about it, their retort is always very week. This is what annoys me.
The big picture is that people have been willfully blind in thinking you can easily find out about future attacks without a big step up in surveillance; that's what the patriot act was all about.
Yes, there have been excesses that went beyond the act, just like there have been excesses in the Police, the CIA and the FBI (revealed countless times over the decades). That's why I don't see what he put out as surprising at all.
But, even without those excesses, we don't go back to a world without surveillance, not at all.
Plenty of it is currently authorized by congress.
Is the American public comfortable with what the patriot act allows in exchange for the hypothetical (and unpredictable) increase in security it affords them. That's the BIG PICTURE. Not, what Snowden let out, but the authorized programs that ran those things that are still active.
The US public needs to decide once and for all if it worth it for them; that hypothetical increase in security.
Putting their fingers in their ears and saying "I don't want to know about it", is no longer an option.
You are trying to put with a wide brush all black and white. You nothing about me. The problem with people like you is if someone asks a wuestion against something you blindly and ignorantly believe you get in a hissy and call folks out.
The patriot act was an unfettered power grab for domestic surveillance unde the guise of fighting domestic terror. It is our job as citizens and part of the checks and balances afforded by our constitution to questions and hold accountable our eleceted officials. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Go figure a post like this would bring out Apple 2's BS, what a disgusting human being, and still can't believe he hasn't been banned, especially with some of the new rules Ai has put up! I lost count how many of your posts here I not only found offensive to the HIGHEST degree, but made me want to physically punch you out for being such a filthy douchebag.
Agreed. Every opportunity to make hostile attacks is taken by this guy against any and all targets. I've often avoided this forum because I'm sick of seeing his behavior. There's another just like him, too, so I assume the moderators like this kind of behavior???
EDIT: his user name doesn't even parse properly in quotebacks. :-p
Info that proved the US government operates illegally [... and unconstitutionally against its own people].
... but I guess that's all okay with you. Don't do as I do... do as I say.
Such hypocrisy.
There is a difference between exposing illegal activity inside the country by the govt/NSA and another leaking what the NSA and intelligence services are doing in other countries. The former could be seen as being a correct whistleblower. The latter is being a traitor and criminal. Unfortunately Snowden didn't stop at whistleblowing in domestic illegal intelligence gathering.
Give me a break on all of this unconstitutional chatter. The constitution is outdated and needs to be re written in many areas to be relevant to current times. Agencies that are actively protecting our basic freedoms should have access to our information. Big frickin' deal.
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Of course I do. Every free thinking, intelligent person can decide for themselves what is ultimately right and what is wrong.
As for Snowden, his world is currently Russia. My world is currently the USA. I'd rather be living in my world, instead of his.
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I'm embarrassed that so many people believe everything Rush Limbaugh says day in and day out. Literally brain washed, they couldn't like a liberal idea if there life depended on it. Absolutely sheep. They sit around the water cooler all red faced saying whatever the radio tells them to say. And then the so called moral majority who wouldn't give 5 dollars to a homeless person because they want to teach him to fish.
It's certainly not unprecedented.
You should actually read my post... I said Snowden's "actions" and nothing about where he lives.
... and, the majority of Americans think Snowden did the right thing and is not a traitor. So you lose on this one.
http://www.newsweek.com/most-americans-think-snowden-did-right-thing-poll-says-253163
There is no losing or winning, it's an exchange of opinions, and the 'majority' of Americans have been wrong before, so a Newsweek poll means nothing to me.
If I'm in a room with 9 Fandroids, do you think that I would care that the 'majority' thinks that Apple sucks?
10% unemployment to 6%
Stock Market from $6,500 to $17,000
Housing starts best since 2007
Automotive sales way up
Gasoline price $3.50 to $1.70
Yes, give me more of this!!!!!!
The unemployment rate the Labor Department releases is very misleading. Unemployment in this country is higher than 6%. The real unemployment rate is more like 13% or higher. They aren't counting millions of workers out of a job who aren't looking for work. Obama has nothing to do with gas prices being lower. Auto sales being higher have nothing to do with Obama either. If you look at the statistics, more people are buying cars because auto manufacturers are selling vehicles with 84 month loans, which reduce the monthly payments. Keep drinking your Obama Kool-Aid.
I'm embarrassed that so many people believe everything Rush Limbaugh says day in and day out. Literally brain washed, they couldn't like a liberal idea if there life depended on it. Absolutely sheep. They sit around the water cooler all red faced saying whatever the radio tells them to say. And then the so called moral majority who wouldn't give 5 dollars to a homeless person because they want to teach him to fish.
You should take off your tin foil, assumption filled hat for a moment, because I'm not a Rush Limbaugh listener. We do probably share many of the same opinions, but I have nothing to do with him, and I don't read his site and I don't listen to his show. Unlike group thinking liberals, who are truly sheep, I am a free thinker.
I do agree with the last sentence though. I would never give a penny to any homeless person. It is a very bad mistake to do.
What I meant was, collecting data on all people, which is what Snowden is accusing the NSA of doing.
There is no losing or winning, it's an exchange of opinions, and the 'majority' of Americans have been wrong before, so a Newsweek poll means nothing to me.
If I'm in a room with 9 Fandroids, do you think that I would care that the 'majority' thinks that Apple sucks?
You just keep digging...
Couldn't disagree with you more. He exposed the unconstitutional spying and data collection that has gone on AND continues against the Anerican people. Every country spies on each other, but we as citizens are supposed to be protected against government overreach.
This is true and the US use to work with other countries like the UK to gather information on US citizian and share it with the US government. Once the government had what they wanted to know they would then use legal channels to obtain what they need to go after those it felt was doing something wrong, but they also use it in witch hunts.
You just keep digging...
Your poll was crap and meaningless.
Here's another poll from around the same time as yours.
More Americans oppose Snowden's actions than support them: poll
http://news.yahoo.com/snowden-poll-oppose-leak-174819082.html
Perhaps you could relax and read for understanding what I'm saying instead of getting all emotional and irrational. He brings up interesting points that should be investigated. Your ability to read between the lines to paint me a certain way is off putting and shows your ignorance with lack of understanding. Shall I go on
What I meant was, collecting data on all people, which is what Snowden is accusing the NSA of doing.
Even if true, it doesn't make his actions right, in my opinion. It's not for him to decide.
The definition of unemployed is someone who is ready to work and has actively sought work within the last 4 weeks.
People who are neither employed nor unemployed are not part of the workforce.
There are a substantial number of people who are under employed and are not part of the 6% figure. There is no question that part time and freelance positions are increasing in the US as they provide economic advantages for corporations. The Labor Department only has figures based on unemployment filings for benefits or employment counseling. 6% is accurate as long as you understand the definitions of the terms.
The unemployment rate also does not factor in either employed or unemployed illegal aliens or other people who work only for undeclared cash.
You are trying to put with a wide brush all black and white. You nothing about me. The problem with people like you is if someone asks a wuestion against something you blindly and ignorantly believe you get in a hissy and call folks out.
The patriot act was an unfettered power grab for domestic surveillance unde the guise of fighting domestic terror. It is our job as citizens and part of the checks and balances afforded by our constitution to questions and hold accountable our eleceted officials. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Agreed. Every opportunity to make hostile attacks is taken by this guy against any and all targets. I've often avoided this forum because I'm sick of seeing his behavior. There's another just like him, too, so I assume the moderators like this kind of behavior???
EDIT: his user name doesn't even parse properly in quotebacks. :-p
Perhaps if Snowden had sued the NSA instead of stolen classified documents from them, the situation and his legal status would be different.
True but would it or he have made it to trial?
Info that proved the US government operates illegally [... and unconstitutionally against its own people].
... but I guess that's all okay with you. Don't do as I do... do as I say.
Such hypocrisy.
There is a difference between exposing illegal activity inside the country by the govt/NSA and another leaking what the NSA and intelligence services are doing in other countries. The former could be seen as being a correct whistleblower. The latter is being a traitor and criminal. Unfortunately Snowden didn't stop at whistleblowing in domestic illegal intelligence gathering.
Give me a break on all of this unconstitutional chatter. The constitution is outdated and needs to be re written in many areas to be relevant to current times. Agencies that are actively protecting our basic freedoms should have access to our information. Big frickin' deal.