Give me a break on all of this unconstitutional chatter. The constitution is outdated and needs to be re written in many areas to be relevant to current times. Agencies that are actively protecting our basic freedoms should have access to our information. Big frickin' deal.
That comment reflects a real lack of understanding with regard to both the Constitution and the role of the federal government.
Paxman, if Snowden were living in Saudi Arabia and acting against their state, your example would carry a lot of weight. Within the justice system of the U.S., not so much.
Last I heard, the United States of America was a bastion of torture for detained people.
From this I would have to assume you believe the US Government and its various agencies to be benevolent organizations that are doing what they can for the betterment of their people, and all people.
As opposed to the unbelievably evil, lying, psychopathic murderous monsters that they actually are.
Enjoy denial, and ignorance.
Or, maybe they are neither psychopatic, evil or milketoast and benevolent... Like most humans.
Seeing all as black or white is never a good solution ;-).
Or maybe they are all of those things, like most men.
Give me a break on all of this unconstitutional chatter. The constitution is outdated and needs to be re written in many areas to be relevant to current times. Agencies that are actively protecting our basic freedoms should have access to our information. Big frickin' deal.
Perhaps if Snowden had sued the NSA instead of stolen classified documents from them, the situation and his legal status would be different.
True but would it or he have made it to trial?
Sure. It would have been the mother of all class action suits since it basically would have included everyone in the US as well as many US allies. With a high profile law team and the right media coverage Snowden could have walked away with millions plus a book and movie deal in addition to exposing the NSA wrongdoings and putting an end to their illegal activities. Whistleblowing is good. He just went about it the completely wrong way.
If Snowden had your confidence, he would have done so.
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As Steve Jobs said…"Those jobs aren't coming back."
Waiting for some corporation to move to town and offer easy hiring is like waiting to win the lottery. If you are not looking for work, you are not part of the workforce. It is sad that someone who used to have a good paying factory job now can't even get a minimum wage job. But, it not so much that they can't get a job, as it is that they don't want a minimum wage or part time job. There are thousands of both illegal and legal minorities who are willing to work part time for minimum wage. It may not technically be a living wage but they make it work, living 5 people in a 1 bedroom apartment, use only public transportation, and eat a lot of rice and beans.
Who to point the finger at for the loss of the good paying US blue collar jobs is an ongoing debate.
Which is why all those illegal immigrants need to be booted out of the country, as they are destroying the livelihoods of those who live there legally.
Last I heard, the United States of America was a bastion of torture for detained people.
"A bastion"? Oh yes, I forgot, everyone here in California lives in constant fear that after being pulled over for speeding they will be tortured to the point of soiling their pants. Gee, arguing in hyperboles is fun!
Have you forgotten that the USA wilfully tortures suspected terrorists?
I have of course not forgotten that, though I prefer to call it enhanced interrogations, which I of course fully support.
I believe that "torture" has gotten a bad rap and has been the victim of leftist smear campaigns and misinformation. When they say that it's not effective, that is not true. I believe that's a lie, thought that's a topic for a different thread perhaps.
Many of us are surprised that anyone posting here could be as barbaric as, say, an average loudmouth jihadist. Actually he's worse, or his character is, because he doesn't even have a "righteous" cause he's promoting, just American or white or Jewish supremacy.
I believe in American supremacy and I believe that our culture and values should be dominant across the entire planet. Not all cultures are created equally, and there are some that should be eliminated.
The 'certain' people are the ones who pose a threat. Let's say that the govt has knowledge of potential terrorists that are currently in the country, then I sure would hope that the govt is tapping the hell out of their phones and computers. Terrorists are using social media more and more to communicate and to conduct their activities, and it would be foolish to not conduct surveillance on those types of people.
I'm not sure what you mean by 'all' people. I am not for 'all' people.
To answer your question, nope, I'm not a Nazi. I don't like Nazis at all, but they do not occupy the #1 spot on my shitlist at the moment. That spot belongs to a different group.
To answer your question, nope, I'm not a Nazi. I don't like Nazis at all, but they do not occupy the #1 spot on my shitlist at the moment. That spot belongs to a different group.
Do you read history? Hitler accused Jews are a threat to Germany. He gathered all Jews into concentration camps. Your thinking is exactly like Hitler.
Do you read history? Hitler accused Jews are a threat to Germany. He gathered all Jews into concentration camps. Your thinking is exactly like Hitler.
I consider myself to be pretty knowledgable when it comes to history, and I'm going to be conservative and say that my historical knowledge probably exceeds that of 97-98% of the global population.
I know all about Hitler and WWII.
And no, my thinking is nothing like Hitler. I don't agree with you.
You also didn't answer my question. Are you a communist? I answered your question. This is not a one way street.
I'm going to be conservative and say that my historical knowledge probably exceeds that of 97-98% of the global population.
I am imagining you teaching history to a group of children now: "And that kids, is when the ungrateful blackies who not only got a free cruise from Africa to the US to be given jobs, clothing and food to live in this great country at the expense of the selfless land owners decided they wanted it all without having to work…"
I consider myself to be pretty knowledgable when it comes to history, and I'm going to be conservative and say that my historical knowledge probably exceeds that of 97-98% of the global population.
I know all about Hitler and WWII.
And no, my thinking is nothing like Hitler. I don't agree with you.
You also didn't answer my question. Are you a communist? I answered your question. This is not a one way street.
Your history is excellent? Why does the US Congress pass the Chinese Exclusion Act?
I am imagining you teaching history to a group of children now: "And that kids, is when the ungrateful blackies who not only got a free cruise from Africa to the US to be given jobs, clothing and food to live in this great country at the expense of the selfless land owners decided they wanted it all without having to work…"
I know that you probably imagine me sitting here posting with a KKK hoodie on, while I'm typing, but that couldn't be further from the truth." src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
I have no desire at all to ever become a teacher, but I think that I would make a great history teacher to kids, if I had to. I am all about facts, and the kids would learn history via an unfiltered lens, in other words, the truth, without any historical distortions, lies, or politically correct omissions of facts and events.
The global history of slavery is a whole lot more than just what took place in the US.
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That comment reflects a real lack of understanding with regard to both the Constitution and the role of the federal government.
Who's the paranoid one now?
Last I heard, the United States of America was a bastion of torture for detained people.
Or maybe they are all of those things, like most men.
So the price of freedom is the loss of privacy.
Got it.
If Snowden had your confidence, he would have done so.
Not surprisingly, he didn't.
Such faith you have in your government!
Have you forgotten that the USA wilfully tortures suspected terrorists?
Which is why all those illegal immigrants need to be booted out of the country, as they are destroying the livelihoods of those who live there legally.
"A bastion"? Oh yes, I forgot, everyone here in California lives in constant fear that after being pulled over for speeding they will be tortured to the point of soiling their pants. Gee, arguing in hyperboles is fun!
Have you forgotten that the USA wilfully tortures suspected terrorists?
I have of course not forgotten that, though I prefer to call it enhanced interrogations, which I of course fully support.
I believe that "torture" has gotten a bad rap and has been the victim of leftist smear campaigns and misinformation. When they say that it's not effective, that is not true. I believe that's a lie, thought that's a topic for a different thread perhaps.
Many of us are surprised that anyone posting here could be as barbaric as, say, an average loudmouth jihadist. Actually he's worse, or his character is, because he doesn't even have a "righteous" cause he's promoting, just American or white or Jewish supremacy.
I believe in American supremacy and I believe that our culture and values should be dominant across the entire planet. Not all cultures are created equally, and there are some that should be eliminated.
The 'certain' people are the ones who pose a threat. Let's say that the govt has knowledge of potential terrorists that are currently in the country, then I sure would hope that the govt is tapping the hell out of their phones and computers. Terrorists are using social media more and more to communicate and to conduct their activities, and it would be foolish to not conduct surveillance on those types of people.
I'm not sure what you mean by 'all' people. I am not for 'all' people.
Posing a threat? Are you a Nazi?
Posing a threat? Are you a Nazi?
Are you a communist?
To answer your question, nope, I'm not a Nazi. I don't like Nazis at all, but they do not occupy the #1 spot on my shitlist at the moment. That spot belongs to a different group.
Are you a communist?
To answer your question, nope, I'm not a Nazi. I don't like Nazis at all, but they do not occupy the #1 spot on my shitlist at the moment. That spot belongs to a different group.
Do you read history? Hitler accused Jews are a threat to Germany. He gathered all Jews into concentration camps. Your thinking is exactly like Hitler.
Do you read history? Hitler accused Jews are a threat to Germany. He gathered all Jews into concentration camps. Your thinking is exactly like Hitler.
I consider myself to be pretty knowledgable when it comes to history, and I'm going to be conservative and say that my historical knowledge probably exceeds that of 97-98% of the global population.
I know all about Hitler and WWII.
And no, my thinking is nothing like Hitler. I don't agree with you.
You also didn't answer my question. Are you a communist? I answered your question. This is not a one way street.
I am imagining you teaching history to a group of children now: "And that kids, is when the ungrateful blackies who not only got a free cruise from Africa to the US to be given jobs, clothing and food to live in this great country at the expense of the selfless land owners decided they wanted it all without having to work…"
I consider myself to be pretty knowledgable when it comes to history, and I'm going to be conservative and say that my historical knowledge probably exceeds that of 97-98% of the global population.
I know all about Hitler and WWII.
And no, my thinking is nothing like Hitler. I don't agree with you.
You also didn't answer my question. Are you a communist? I answered your question. This is not a one way street.
Your history is excellent? Why does the US Congress pass the Chinese Exclusion Act?
I am imagining you teaching history to a group of children now: "And that kids, is when the ungrateful blackies who not only got a free cruise from Africa to the US to be given jobs, clothing and food to live in this great country at the expense of the selfless land owners decided they wanted it all without having to work…"
I know that you probably imagine me sitting here posting with a KKK hoodie on, while I'm typing, but that couldn't be further from the truth.
I have no desire at all to ever become a teacher, but I think that I would make a great history teacher to kids, if I had to. I am all about facts, and the kids would learn history via an unfiltered lens, in other words, the truth, without any historical distortions, lies, or politically correct omissions of facts and events.
The global history of slavery is a whole lot more than just what took place in the US.
Your history is excellent? Why does the US Congress pass the Chinese Exclusion Act?
I will answer your question quickly, but don't bother to ask me any more questions. I see that you still haven't answered mine.
It was passed mostly due to anti-immigrant and anti-Chinese sentiment at the time.