Sheer lunacy. This is like having the government force all automobile manufacturers to make their engines interchangeable with all makes of automobiles.
Asking the government to step in and save you from your own business failures is the definition of a loser.
No you don't. You use the Messages app to send SMS/MMS to your Android friends.
The Messages app sends iMessages, SMS & MMS
Unless they have downloaded the iMessagesforAndroid app. And created an AppleID to use with it.
I stand corrected. But my point remains the same that you can use the Messages app for both iMessages and SMS pretty seamlessly. Is there anything preventing a developer creating a BB iMessage client? In the past there were clients that could handle the various protocols within a single app, if I remember right.
So every independent app developer would have to support every single operating system that exists?
Well that is how things worked with the web and email before we started this app nonsense where you have to download 40mb binary files to access a single thing.
Apple are total dickheads, iChat rocks but do I use it to communicate with fellow co workers no because they have to work with windows based clients all day and they need cross platform interactivity so we use Skype, on my iPhone do I use iChat to text no because half the people I text are on Android so I use WhatsApp. How can the worlds biggest mobile phone maker not get this, they could own this market if they went cross platform.
If you want to text people with Android phones or Windows phones, you do know that the Messages app handles that automatically, don't you?
Sending a message to a friend with an iPhone, will automatically translate into iMessage (blue bubble). Otherwise it will be sent as an SMS (green bubble).
With iOS 8 devices, you can now also communicate with your green bubble friends via your iPad or Mac (running Yosemite).
This just proves that Mr Chen has no clue why his company is no longer a success. If he thinks cross platform apps will solve his problem he loss in the internet world. To use his train analogy, as long as the wheel are are the same (i.e. the data transport level) it does not matter what rides upon the those wheels. It like making all the box card and other types of container all have to be the same when it really does not matter.
Apple released the protocols to the standards association several years ago. It's up to other companies to support them, rather than that of their own software. If they don't want to do that, then people should be blaming them, and not Apple.
Can you provide some details of Apple actually releasing these protocols?
And is it any surprise that he wants "regulators" to force this for him? Because God forbid that he creates something compelling that the market would want to buy. He can just get the gub'mint to do his dirty work for him. Idiot.
For a stupid person, Mr. Chen sure says dumb things.
Not really. Steve Jobs once said in his keynote about FaceTime to be an open standard for across flat forms. I can see the same for iMessage. However, I believe FaceTime and iMessage are too vital for iDevices and don't see Apple to make them open standard ever. I have to admit that there's no comparable ones from other flatforms vs FaceTime and iMessage in term of integration and seamless usability.
If I were Apple, I'd release a Messages app for the other platforms - but only 10% of the screen would be used for the messaging and the other 90% would spam video ads showing users how much better EVERYTHING is with an actual iOS device.
Apple are total dickheads, iChat rocks but do I use it to communicate with fellow co workers no because they have to work with windows based clients all day and they need cross platform interactivity so we use Skype, on my iPhone do I use iChat to text no because half the people I text are on Android so I use WhatsApp. How can the worlds biggest mobile phone maker not get this, they could own this market if they went cross platform.
Ask all iDevice owners that if they give the sh.t about iChat or Skype or WhatsApp. There's nothing similar and comparable to iMessage and FaceTime for seamless integration. Android and Windows users screamed for iMessage and FaceTime in their devices for years that Apple would make them open standard, but as long as Android is still an open source, I don't see Apple would risk to make iMessage or FaceTime open standards. Remember this: NSA couldn't hack iMessage since it's encrypted and secured.
If it's not feasible for either Netflix or BB to finance the development - then they either get a different strategy that doesn't involve Netflix, or they realize that their platform is dead.
Essentially however, FaceTime is iChat AV for iPhone. Jobs presented an "alphabet soup" of technologies that were involved in making FaceTime work, many of which are shared with iChat AV, including:
H.264 and AAC, its ISO/MPEG video and audio codecs (just like iChat).
SIP (Session Initiation Protocol), the open IETF signaling protocol for VoIP used by iChat AV.
STUN (Session Traversal Utilities for NAT), an IETF standard for dealing with lots of different kinds of NAT.
TURN (Traversal Using Relay NAT), an IETF standard for allowing a client behind NAT to receive incoming requests like a server.
ICE (Interactive Connectivity Establishment) an IETF standard which helps set up connections through NAT firewalls.
RTP (Real-time Transport Protocol), an iETF standard for delivering media streams in VoIP.
SRTP (Secure RTP) an IETF standard designed to provide encryption, message authentication and integrity for the data streams.
The only problem I remember reading was that the client-side certificate to help mitigate Robocalling and telemarketers part of Facetime is locked down and that particular service is controlled solely by Apple, which turned just about everyone off the idea of Facetime.
I can understand the argument when it comes to railroads or telecom companies or utilities, but apps? That just sounds crazy, in my opinion.
If a company like Microsoft has a monopoly, then they can be restrained in what they do, and can be required to what they don't want to do. It's proper.
But yes, what Blackberry wants here is nuts. It will never happen, and so it's not something to get too frustrated over. There's a good thread in Arstechnica about this as well. It seems that pretty much no one agrees with what he wants. It does smack of desperation.
The only problem I remember reading was that the client-side certificate to help mitigate Robocalling and telemarketers part of Facetime is locked down and that particular service is controlled solely by Apple, which turned just about everyone off the idea of Facetime.
There are, I'm sure, more details on this in other places, but this should give you the idea.
Move down to the "standards" section. Right under where it tells the standards it uses, it mentioned what Apple did. The whole thing is useful as it explains some of Apple's contributions, which is the part they released to the standards body.
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Asking the government to step in and save you from your own business failures is the definition of a loser.
Yes Blackberry- this means you.
No you don't. You use the Messages app to send SMS/MMS to your Android friends.
The Messages app sends iMessages, SMS & MMS
Unless they have downloaded the iMessagesforAndroid app. And created an AppleID to use with it.
I stand corrected. But my point remains the same that you can use the Messages app for both iMessages and SMS pretty seamlessly. Is there anything preventing a developer creating a BB iMessage client? In the past there were clients that could handle the various protocols within a single app, if I remember right.
'You're friending it wrong'.
Well that is how things worked with the web and email before we started this app nonsense where you have to download 40mb binary files to access a single thing.
Apple are total dickheads, iChat rocks but do I use it to communicate with fellow co workers no because they have to work with windows based clients all day and they need cross platform interactivity so we use Skype, on my iPhone do I use iChat to text no because half the people I text are on Android so I use WhatsApp. How can the worlds biggest mobile phone maker not get this, they could own this market if they went cross platform.
If you want to text people with Android phones or Windows phones, you do know that the Messages app handles that automatically, don't you?
Sending a message to a friend with an iPhone, will automatically translate into iMessage (blue bubble). Otherwise it will be sent as an SMS (green bubble).
With iOS 8 devices, you can now also communicate with your green bubble friends via your iPad or Mac (running Yosemite).
This just proves that Mr Chen has no clue why his company is no longer a success. If he thinks cross platform apps will solve his problem he loss in the internet world. To use his train analogy, as long as the wheel are are the same (i.e. the data transport level) it does not matter what rides upon the those wheels. It like making all the box card and other types of container all have to be the same when it really does not matter.
Can you provide some details of Apple actually releasing these protocols?
For a stupid person, Mr. Chen sure says dumb things.
Not really. Steve Jobs once said in his keynote about FaceTime to be an open standard for across flat forms. I can see the same for iMessage. However, I believe FaceTime and iMessage are too vital for iDevices and don't see Apple to make them open standard ever. I have to admit that there's no comparable ones from other flatforms vs FaceTime and iMessage in term of integration and seamless usability.
I so want a cross-platform iMessage.
and Fck the carriers on paying for SMS. LOL.
Apple are total dickheads, iChat rocks but do I use it to communicate with fellow co workers no because they have to work with windows based clients all day and they need cross platform interactivity so we use Skype, on my iPhone do I use iChat to text no because half the people I text are on Android so I use WhatsApp. How can the worlds biggest mobile phone maker not get this, they could own this market if they went cross platform.
Ask all iDevice owners that if they give the sh.t about iChat or Skype or WhatsApp. There's nothing similar and comparable to iMessage and FaceTime for seamless integration. Android and Windows users screamed for iMessage and FaceTime in their devices for years that Apple would make them open standard, but as long as Android is still an open source, I don't see Apple would risk to make iMessage or FaceTime open standards. Remember this: NSA couldn't hack iMessage since it's encrypted and secured.
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If it's not feasible for either Netflix or BB to finance the development - then they either get a different strategy that doesn't involve Netflix, or they realize that their platform is dead.
Netflix already has....
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Can you provide some details of Apple actually releasing these protocols?
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The only problem I remember reading was that the client-side certificate to help mitigate Robocalling and telemarketers part of Facetime is locked down and that particular service is controlled solely by Apple, which turned just about everyone off the idea of Facetime.
People are already doing that with the various messaging apps that are available.
Well, the previous one did go pretty far beyond.
If a company like Microsoft has a monopoly, then they can be restrained in what they do, and can be required to what they don't want to do. It's proper.
But yes, what Blackberry wants here is nuts. It will never happen, and so it's not something to get too frustrated over. There's a good thread in Arstechnica about this as well. It seems that pretty much no one agrees with what he wants. It does smack of desperation.
http://bit.ly/1CjtFaI
It's a joke, sheesh.
I did the quickest thing.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FaceTime#Standards
There are, I'm sure, more details on this in other places, but this should give you the idea.
Move down to the "standards" section. Right under where it tells the standards it uses, it mentioned what Apple did. The whole thing is useful as it explains some of Apple's contributions, which is the part they released to the standards body.