Tim Cook talks Apple Watch, Apple Pay, and IBM partnership at Goldman Sachs conference

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  • Reply 21 of 108
    jungmark wrote: »
    Poor Cook.

    So the Apple Watch's stand-out feature is reduced to—

    Reminding you to stand up. Woo hoo!

    Cook is busy engaged in damage limitation. By comparing the Apple Watch and the current smartwatch market to the iPod and the music player market, he is effectively saying, "This is a tiny market. Yes, we'll be the best of breed, but don't expect much from us, because there just ain't too many folks who have or want smart watches."

    As the resident bubble-burster of Apple Insider, it gives me no joy to pour cold water on the efforts of good people. One can hardly blame them; after all, they have no Steve Jobs to lead and inspire them, and to see the future.

    The misstep of the Apple Watch will do Apple and Cook good, and for that, I am thankful.

    The iPod made the MP3 market what is was prior to the iPhone. The Apple watch might do the same thing with smart watches. Why denigrate a product when you haven't seen it in person?

    The music player market was huge prior to the iPod. Ever heard of the Walkman?

    Whereas the smartwatch market prior to the Apple Watch is minuscule.
  • Reply 22 of 108
    chadbagchadbag Posts: 1,098member
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     Why denigrate a product when you haven't seen it in person?

     

    Consider the source.

  • Reply 23 of 108
    The music player market was huge prior to the iPod. Ever heard of the Walkman?

    Whereas the smartwatch market prior to the Apple Watch is minuscule.

    1) Way to move the goalposts from MP3 market to Walkmans. I guess if you're going to jump from a modern, albeit inferior use of modern tech to an inferior one to try to prove a point, I guess we can do the same with ?Watch and say it's coming into a market of wrist-worn devices that has been around a long time. Of course, the main difference is watches have been hear much longer than the Walkman and will still be a multi-billion dollar market after ?Watch, which can't be said for the iPod. That said, a better example would be the iPhone which arrived when dumb phones still dominated by a very large margin. In fact, I can foresee a bump in watches as a whole as ?Watch profits start to dominate the industry.

    2) Yeah, real big¡ So big that the iPod shot so far ahead that even many of Apple's struggling competitors we doing better than the Walkman during its heyday.


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  • Reply 24 of 108
    bugsnwbugsnw Posts: 717member
    Well, he is doing the obvious. They are making great products and the prices are always coming down (or value is going up). Lower prices are a good thing and as Apple's efficiencies improve, prices come down, margins are maintained and the shareholders are rewarded. It's all good.

    I agree with the 2nd part of your post. What people get wrong is when they say, "or Apple is doomed."

    That is getting tired.
  • Reply 25 of 108
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    Originally Posted by jungmark View Post



    Tim Cook to analysts: Keep your advice to yourself. You're usually wrong.

     

    And Tim would be right.

  • Reply 26 of 108
    solipsismy wrote: »
    The music player market was huge prior to the iPod. Ever heard of the Walkman?

    Whereas the smartwatch market prior to the Apple Watch is minuscule.

    1) Way to move the goalposts from MP3 market to Walkmans. I guess if you're going to jump from a modern, albeit inferior use of modern tech to an inferior one to try to prove a point, I guess we can do the same with ?Watch and say it's coming into a market of wrist-worn devices that has been around a long time. Of course, the main difference is watches have been hear much longer than the Walkman and will still be a multi-billion dollar market after ?Watch, which can't be said for the iPod. That said, a better example would be the iPhone which arrived when dumb phones still dominated by a very large margin. In fact, I can foresee a bump in watches as a whole as ?Watch profits start to dominate the industry.

    2) Yeah, real big¡ So big that the iPod shot so far ahead that even many of Apple's struggling competitors we doing better than the Walkman during its heyday.


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    Problem is, the iPhone has replaced music players, iPods and watches. A smartwatch is just one extra redundant device, like a heart rate monitor or a metronome or a timer.

    The Apple watch will be—if it ever gets released—an iPhone accessory. Look at apps. Even the most popular apps on the App Store only get a minute portion of users compared to pre-installed apps. That's why it was so damaging for Google Maps when they went from built-in to an optional download.

    So it is with the Apple Watch. Some will buy it, but it's just another optional extra, not a must have like the iPhone or even the iPad.
  • Reply 27 of 108
    "What will your verse be?" I wrote that speech for Dead Poets Society, "the project" to me, as a contribution, a freebee, after I learned that the original story which I was helping to fix, ended the film with an adolescent suicide! I even hated that I'd helped them pull the project out of the toilet (it was originally about homosexual teacher-student love or some such), because I just knew that any cinematic portrayal of suicide would only engender further suicides in impressionable teenagers! I was helping my old friend's friends because I loved Spielberg long ago, but also because I wanted to see a difference in this world. Come on, Steve and I set the date for the Berlin Wall to fall 17 years in advance, as a hopefully self-fulfilling prophesy. But Steve's always had a penchant for dangerous behavior in movies: playing with pistols and liquor bottles in Shawshank Redemption or skateboards hanging on cars in BTTF for instances. A local kid was killed recently here in Tampa doing that crazy stunt. (I know Steve's not credited, neither am I.)
    While I was initially thrilled that Apple decided to use my words in their advertising campaign (I thought to myself, out of all the words of beauty and grace from all the tongues and pens of man, Apple chose mine!), I got a little miffed about Apple's using my words against suicide to sell iPads. The iPad's a beautiful machine, but it's still commercial although wonderful. Of course, even commercial use does keep me, my thoughts, alive and living in our history--a good thing. Then I only got short shrift by Apple's legal and executive departments which didn't help. Silence is wrong, particularly against me. I guess everybody who feels cheated by a big company must feel that? I don't know. I wish Apple didn't have that reputation, well earned as I well know, sadly.
    But the truth is, that Steve Jobs liked my stuff on that flick (and doubtless the other speeches and films to which I've contributed out of my friendship with Spielberg. Maybe the Braveheart stuff I thundered at the Clintons, eh? Well, he probably liked the Jedi and The Force, coulda? Or maybe the look I gave my newspaper that grew those flowers in E.T.?)
    I just hate to think that nobody at Apple cares about any of this. Heck I even offered my services, I mean, Stevie left a screenwriter in my boarding house for 9 months. We did Good Will Hunting, Gladiator, DP of course, and he brought in a half dozen "delegations"--I only remember Del Toro, James Cameron, and that poor girl that so screwed up the last Godfather flick--which I'd not seen at the time. It does seem a shame to have inspired or helped to inspire the work ethics of a great American corporation, only to see the toilet close up and blurry. And what is that smell?
    So regrets. Right now I've run a double-blind cross-over t test clinical trial of pheromone for ADHD and IT WORKED! 18 cured kids no longer living with Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, wow, proof at last! Everybody's happy, but I can't afford to run a trial here. The one they just finished, half-fast, was in Assuit Egypt. I have such a big mouth that I can't even hold my research gate dot net account open anymore. Railroaded again. I'm just an easy touch, a jiggle ... on the handle of my life.
  • Reply 28 of 108
    nasseraenasserae Posts: 3,158member
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    Originally Posted by SolipsismY View Post



    I hope it's smarter than Siri on the iPhone, and I hope I don't have to wait seconds before making a response after pressing a button or saying "Hey Siri," and getting a response back. In casual speak this is disruptive. For comparison, I'm loving Amazon Echo's ability to just pick up a quick statement and reply as if you're talking to another human being. I don't see why Apple can't employ the same operability into Siri.

    If you still don't think the Mac will continue to get better you're still not paying attention. Apple's traditional "PCs" are going nowhere.

     

    Apple needs to make major improvements Siri if they want to market it as Apple Watch main feature. What I really wish for is Siri and Touch ID on Macs.

     

    PS. Look at the trolls getting desperate! The same thing happened when Apple announced the iPhone and iPad. Denial <img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />

  • Reply 29 of 108
    xixoxixo Posts: 422member
    sflocal wrote: »

    You mean the Chinese employees that get to work at a contracted-by-Apple (and supervised) company, making better wages than most folks in China with benefits, and opportunities as opposed to working on some derelict farm or industry that has some of the worst human right offenses?


    You mean Chinese employees able to have a better life, send money to their families, and contribute to their economy??


    Are those Chinese employees you're referring to Einstein?

    The Chinese employees in Hell you're offering a glass of ice water to?
  • Reply 30 of 108
    nasserae wrote: »
    solipsismy wrote: »
    I hope it's smarter than Siri on the iPhone, and I hope I don't have to wait seconds before making a response after pressing a button or saying "Hey Siri," and getting a response back. In casual speak this is disruptive. For comparison, I'm loving Amazon Echo's ability to just pick up a quick statement and reply as if you're talking to another human being. I don't see why Apple can't employ the same operability into Siri.

    If you still don't think the Mac will continue to get better you're still not paying attention. Apple's traditional "PCs" are going nowhere.

    Apple needs to make major improvements Siri if they want to market it as Apple Watch main feature. What I really wish for is Siri and Touch ID on Macs.

    PS. Look at the trolls getting desperate! The same thing happened when Apple announced the iPhone and iPad. Denial :lol:

    Siri is fluff. Touch ID on Macs would be cool, though.

    Happily, no trolls have yet inhabited this thread.
  • Reply 31 of 108
    slurpyslurpy Posts: 5,179member
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    Originally Posted by Benjamin Frost View Post



    Poor Cook.



    So the Apple Watch's stand-out feature is reduced to—



    Reminding you to stand up. Woo hoo!



    Cook is busy engaged in damage limitation. By comparing the Apple Watch and the current smartwatch market to the iPod and the music player market, he is effectively saying, "This is a tiny market. Yes, we'll be the best of breed, but don't expect much from us, because there just ain't too many folks who have or want smart watches."



    As the resident bubble-burster of Apple Insider, it gives me no joy to pour cold water on the efforts of good people. One can hardly blame them; after all, they have no Steve Jobs to lead and inspire them, and to see the future.



    The misstep of the Apple Watch will do Apple and Cook good, and for that, I am thankful.

     

    Yeah, poor, poor Cook, the CEO of a company that by his leadership has smashed every metric of success possible, and just today has smashed even more. Poor Cook. Keep pretending to feel pity for the man, and keep pretending he is not even fit to clean toilets- it's clear that sociopathic, divorced from reality, and frankly lunatic thinking gives you some deep level of joy, so I can understand why you have an inability to stop. 

     

    Tim Cook might not be Steve Jobs. But by all accounts, he has more insight, wisdom, leadership qualities, character, and intelligence in his little finger than someone like you, who does nothing but tears others down out of sheer jealousy or irrational hatred, could accumulate in a hundred lifetimes. Keep pitying and mocking Cook. If it isn't obvious enough already, every word you post just cements your disconnection from anything approaching the real world. I can't believe how blind you are to your own pettiness, and how it reflects on you. That's the only sad part. Cook can get hit by a bus tomorrow, his legacy will be cemented. Even your fantasy of a catastrophic Apple Watch wouldn't change that. The guy has nothing else to prove, with what he's accomplished in his lifetime, yet you're so small, so petty, so hateful, and so intellectually dishonest, as to be unable to give him a shred of credit. 

  • Reply 32 of 108
    mnbob1mnbob1 Posts: 264member
    Poor Cook.

    So the Apple Watch's stand-out feature is reduced to—

    Reminding you to stand up. Woo hoo!

    Cook is busy engaged in damage limitation. By comparing the Apple Watch and the current smartwatch market to the iPod and the music player market, he is effectively saying, "This is a tiny market. Yes, we'll be the best of breed, but don't expect much from us, because there just ain't too many folks who have or want smart watches."

    As the resident bubble-burster of Apple Insider, it gives me no joy to pour cold water on the efforts of good people. One can hardly blame them; after all, they have no Steve Jobs to lead and inspire them, and to see the future.

    The misstep of the Apple Watch will do Apple and Cook good, and for that, I am thankful.

    You don't seem to be able to apply analogies. The music player/iPod and Watch/smart watch whistled right past you. You are probably one of those who had a chance to buy Apple stock and bought Radio Shack instead.
  • Reply 33 of 108
    sflocalsflocal Posts: 4,700member
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    Originally Posted by xixo View Post





    The Chinese employees in Hell you're offering a glass of ice water to?



    Show me something that proves the hundreds of thousands of FoxConn workers that work only on Apple products are in that "Hell" you're referring to?



    I'm not referring to the countless other factories, and even other Foxconn factories that make products of other companies because I'm sure they have issues.  At least Apple makes every possible effort to make sure those workers are treated right.



    Troll much?

  • Reply 34 of 108
    Siri is fluff.

    I use Siri many times per day so I certainly wouldn't call that a fluff feature. It has many great benefits that are faster than typing into your phone, but there are so many ways, already available in their competition's devices, that are better. I find this shocking because that's usually the opposite way for an Apple product against their competitors.
  • Reply 35 of 108
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 8,696member
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    Originally Posted by jungmark View Post





    Isn't the echo plugged in and always listening? I don't want that for Siri.



    Hell no, I don't want that either.

     

    When I bought a new TV a while back, I purposely looked around for a "dumb" TV, as I already have an Apple TV that I hook up to it and I did not want any "smart tv" features.

     

    So called "smart TVs" with some of them always listening in to your conversations is complete crap. I don't need any voice listening always on garbage.

     

    Samsung is warning customers about discussing personal information in front of their smart television set.

     

    http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-31296188

  • Reply 36 of 108
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 8,696member
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    Originally Posted by xixo View Post





    The Chinese employees in Hell you're offering a glass of ice water to?



    I do not give a crap about the Chinese workers at all. Work them hard, work them good. They are getting compensated for their time.

  • Reply 37 of 108
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    Originally Posted by SolipsismY View Post





    I use Siri many times per day so I certainly wouldn't call that a fluff feature. It has many great benefits that are faster than typing into your phone, but there are so many ways, already available in their competition's devices, that are better. I find this shocking because that's usually the opposite way for an Apple product against their competitors.



    Siri is getting better though, and she still manages to make me smile frequently.

     

    Today, I asked her to name a song for me, got this response: "Sounds like 'Rude' by MAGIC! There appears to be some human drama occuring here that I don't quite understand." That's perfect for that song.

     

    Another time she said "Sounds like 'Take Me To Church' by Hozier. Amen."

     

    Small things, but clever nonetheless.

  • Reply 38 of 108
    jungmark wrote: »
    Isn't the echo plugged in and always listening? I don't want that for Siri.

    That's existed for awhile now. If you're concerned about that, just make sure you have "Hey Siri" disabled in your Settings, but note that just because you have something actively disabled in SW don't think for a second that there isn't ways these microphones can't be recording your voice. I think it's foolish to think that because you disabled "Hey Siri" that you're somehow safer than if you enabled it, or that a company that makes a device that's designed to listen to your commands is someone more nefarious than one that puts in a tiny microphone and enables it without your knowledge.
  • Reply 39 of 108
    xixoxixo Posts: 422member

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    Originally Posted by Apple ][ View Post

     



    I do not give a crap about the Chinese workers at all. Work them hard, work them good. They are getting compensated for their time.


     

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sflocal View Post

     



    Show me something that proves the hundreds of thousands of FoxConn workers that work only on Apple products are in that "Hell" you're referring to?



    I'm not referring to the countless other factories, and even other Foxconn factories that make products of other companies because I'm sure they have issues.  At least Apple makes every possible effort to make sure those workers are treated right.



    Troll much?

     


     

    Apple labour conditions: Chinese workers who make products for tech giant 'work 16 hours a day, 18 days in a row', BBC claims

    Apple chastised for unsafe working conditions in supplier factory

     

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  • Reply 40 of 108
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 8,696member

    The Baghdad Broadcasting Company is not a reliable source and Apple has already responded to their poor hit piece which lacks journalistic integrity. I do not care at all about the concerns of those who claim to care about Chinese workers.

     

    Apple CEO Tim Cook has said he's "deeply offended" by fresh allegations of poor working conditions in its suppliers' Chinese factories.

     

    http://www.engadget.com/2014/12/19/apples-tim-cook-deeply-offended-by-fresh-allegations-of-facto/

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