Apple Watch battery life reportedly 'much better' than anticipated thanks to power saving features

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  • Reply 21 of 97
    solipsismysolipsismy Posts: 5,099member
    nolamacguy wrote: »
    Exactly. mac_128 is just trying to spread FUD.

    What evidence is there that it's exactly that way? I don't recall them showing that you authenticate ?Watch each day by using Touch ID on your iPhone. Maybe it'll be that easy, but then couldn't anyone put it on and then get your notifications within BT range.

    Maybe not a huge issue but I'd think that would be some sort of security risk where you could risk people at, home, or other places you travel from potentially seeing your data if there is on-device protection, like with a 4-digit PIN. It's not like the wrist-side sensors will be able to say, "Yes, that's you alright." Would you really want to trust ?Pay on your device like that?

    I just don't see that as the most likely scenario, especially when you consider it can be used independently of having a tethered iPhone present. You have to be able to take it off and put it on, and then use it again.
  • Reply 22 of 97
    rogifanrogifan Posts: 10,669member
    Can someone explain why you would be recharging your watch in the office? The rumors say 5 hours battery life with "heavy use" and all day battery life with light to moderate usage. Who's gonna be heavily using their watch during the day in the office?

    And now I see one of the Pebble founders is out there saying Apple's going to find out apps aren't the way to go with smartwatches. Except the "apps" on ?Watch aren't full blown iPhone apps. And yeah if I can use an "app" to control my ?TV or unlock my door or start my car hell yeah that's useful.

    Seems to me like people are coming up with exaggerated worst case scenario is just to trash this product. :rolleyes:
  • Reply 23 of 97
    solipsismysolipsismy Posts: 5,099member
    rogifan wrote: »
    Can someone explain why you would be recharging your watch in the office? The rumors say 5 hours battery life with "heavy use" and all day battery life with light to moderate usage. Who's gonna be heavily using their watch during the day in the office? Seems to be like people are coming up with exaggerated worst case scenario is just to trash this product. :rolleyes:

    1) You're a doctor working a 24 shift... or any other number of professions with atypical schedules and timeframes.

    2) You work a second or third job (probably to pay off your ?Watch Edition).\


    PS: Someone is getting a jump on the hysteria with this ugly strap. What gets me is we don't even know if the watch is designed to charge -and- be used at the same time. Because the charging is thought the ceramic disk on the wrist they could have made the display and sensors alter their state for a variety of reasons. I am skeptical Apple would do that, and I would hope they would anticipate this interest, but we simply don't know yet (but maybe they contacted Apple and they told them to go ahead with their design). will that strap design prevent its sensors from working properly not being against the wrist? Why not just use a flat ring on the outside of the ceramic sensor? Will the straps get hot as its charging ?Watch?


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  • Reply 24 of 97
    rogifanrogifan Posts: 10,669member
    solipsismy wrote: »
    1) You're a doctor working a 24 shift... or any other number of professions with atypical schedules and timeframes.

    2) You work a second or third job (probably to pay off your ?Watch Edition).

    Ok there might be certain professions or instances where the watch will need to be charged on the job. Are there going to be that many instances where someone will have no time to re-authenticate the watch? Seems to me that's creating a not very frequent/worst case scenario just to trash the watch. And yeah if someone needs a smartwatch that lasts more than 24 hours on a charge then I guess ?Watch isn't for them.
  • Reply 25 of 97
    solipsismysolipsismy Posts: 5,099member
    rogifan wrote: »
    Seems to me that's creating a not very frequent/worst case scenario just to trash the watch.

    I agree that seems to be the most common reason, but my answering your question was just trying to think who could be affected and how this will be dealt with.
  • Reply 26 of 97
    pfisherpfisher Posts: 758member

    The watch stays on all day if you are just checking the time. LOL.

  • Reply 27 of 97
    Everyone calm down, Abd RELAX my bet is we don't know we need this thing until we get one, then we will wonder how we ever got along w/o it
    CHILAX
  • Reply 28 of 97
    radarthekatradarthekat Posts: 3,826moderator

    I was thinking about what Apple might have held back on the September Apple watch demonstration and what capabilities might exist in the Watch that haven't been drilled down into over the intervening months. What capabilities Apple might highlight in its presentation on Monday.

     

    One thing that comes to mind is the interaction with iBeacons and geofencing. The watch might be a perfect way to indicate to a person that they have come within range of an iBeacon with context of potential interest to the wearer. Or into a geofenced area for which one of the installed Watch apps would come into play.

     

    We've heard that Starwood hotels will offer a virtual hotel room door key app, so wearers won't need to carry a separate and dedicated access card. That same Starwood app could check you in at the hotel gym, give you access to other hotel amenities, etc. But it could go further. An app on the iPhone could run in the background and wake up apps on the Watch when the iPhone detects that the owner is within a geofenced area defined for each app. So when you first arrive at a Starwood hotel, the generic locator app could detect the geolocation using GPS, do a quick web query to see who the geofence belongs to, and then determine whether there's a Watch app installed associated with the geofence owner. In this example, it would know that there's a Starwood Hotels app. The app would then take control, determine that it's the day of the wearer's hotel reservation and that the wearer has not yet checked in to the hotel, and would therefore awaken and present the wearer with a quick check-in option. Just in time as the wearer pulls up to the front of the hotel or as he walks in.

     

    Similarly, apps could wake up to report significant new information pertaining to an event within a geofenced area or an area defined by iBeacons. Unlike presenting information in your iPhone's notifications panel, a Watch app that could present information about the next batter up at a baseball game, just as the batter is stepping to the plate, or perhaps a little earlier, based upon the ball/strike/out count while the previous batter is still at the plate. Player stats that are customized to the current situation (this batter has a 400 batting average with two men on base, for example). Such notifications to a smartphone would mean constantly removing the phone from your pocket or sitting there with it in your hand. But a watch app allows you to quickly glance and then direct your attention back to the game.

    I could probably come up with dozens of such context and location specific notification/take-action apps that will surely come to the Watch. Just one or a few that pertain to a wearer's life, interests, and activities will make the Watch indispensable.

    Just imagine when you're golfing, the just-in-time information that would be valuable based upon exactly where you are standing relative to the hole you are playing. Distance to the hole, speed and direction of wind relative to direction to the hole, effect of current humidity level on ball travel, etc... All at a glance...

     

    Can anyone think of others? Something along these lines you'd get excited about and that would work much better being accessible from the Watch versus the iPhone in your pocket?

  • Reply 29 of 97
    rogifanrogifan Posts: 10,669member
    A few interesting tidbits about the packaging from the Financial Times:



    [QUOTE]“We didn’t want the packaging to be a sort of shorthand for value, where the box needs to be big and we have to include expensive materials. We’ve always liked the idea that if we are heavy in our thinking, we can be much lighter in the implementation. So there’s huge virtue, I think, in keeping the packaging small: at least, it is the right choice environmentally, it’s easier to move things around and you don’t end up with your wardrobes full of large watch boxes that you don’t use.”

    Thus, the box of the top-of-the?range watch is aniline-dyed leather on the outside and a “sort of ultra- suede on the inside” – so far, so conventional, but there is a connector at the back that turns it into a charging dock when the watch snaps into place thanks to magnetic technology. “I like the idea that it’s all part of one experience, it’s all part of how we feel about something, and that each of these elements can play a positive and interesting role.”[/QUOTE]

    [QUOTE]Before I leave, Ive holds up the watch’s white outer box. Almost imperceptibly, the bottom begins to move, obeying the law of gravity that pulls it away from its other half. It is graceful, calming… and far from accidental. “We work out what we feel is the optimum time for it to drop and then we back off that and work on the tolerances, and even work on the friction of the materials we use. I mean, that’s fanaticism,” he says, with a little smile.[/QUOTE]
  • Reply 30 of 97
    mac_128 wrote: »

    How dare Jony Ive not conform to status quo I'm gonna rage quit Apple¡
  • Reply 31 of 97
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    Originally Posted by SolipsismY View Post





    Only those with Nexus or, soon to be released, Galaxy S6 series devices. All the others get to play a shell game with their batteries so they can keep them all charged using only their phone as the charging station.



    I actually had a separate battery charger for my Anderoid phone. It was that bad.

  • Reply 32 of 97
    boredumbboredumb Posts: 1,418member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SolipsismY View Post

    1) You're a doctor working a 24 shift... or any other number of professions with atypical schedules and timeframes.

    2) You work a second or third job (probably to pay off your ?Watch Edition).\

    3) You feel compelled to participate in every discussion on AI and your phone is charging!<img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />

  • Reply 33 of 97
    rogifanrogifan Posts: 10,669member
    How dare Jony Ive not conform to status quo I'm gonna rage quit Apple¡

    Kara Swisher called him "urbane" on CNBC this morning. :lol:
  • Reply 34 of 97
    rogifanrogifan Posts: 10,669member
    A couple other tidbits from 9to5Mac that seem to be getting buried with all the battery talk:

    [QUOTE]A designer familiar with the quality of mobile device screens who has used the Apple Watch says that the “screen is the best [smartwatch] screen I have ever seen,” noting that “it’s like vibrant digital paper, and does not look rendered,” with especially “great” black levels. [/QUOTE]

    [QUOTE]Sources have praised the Watch’s next-generation force-sensing touchscreen interface, saying that “the screen feels like a giant button than you just want to press in the manner needed for Force Touch.” A source added that the feature “feels natural” on the small screen. [/QUOTE]

    If the screen is that great I consider this pretty damn good battery life. A lot of these other smart watches have screens that are very pixelated and they're still not getting Pebble like battery life.
  • Reply 35 of 97
    mechanicmechanic Posts: 805member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post



    Can someone explain why you would be recharging your watch in the office? The rumors say 5 hours battery life with "heavy use" and all day battery life with light to moderate usage. Who's gonna be heavily using their watch during the day in the office?



    And now I see one of the Pebble founders is out there saying Apple's going to find out apps aren't the way to go with smartwatches. Except the "apps" on ?Watch aren't full blown iPhone apps. And yeah if I can use an "app" to control my ?TV or unlock my door or start my car hell yeah that's useful.



    Seems to me like people are coming up with exaggerated worst case scenario is just to trash this product. image



    Of course they are. There running scared and want to start unfounded rumors supported by vacuous conclusions with no facts at all.

  • Reply 36 of 97
    pfisherpfisher Posts: 758member

    I wish they'd joined forces with Casio and had a way for the phone to transmit messages to the watch.

     

    The current iWatch sounds like it's too much of an extension of the iPhone with limited battery. But as someone said, we'd like a watch that kept people from watching (pun) their phones all day, then just transit messages. Well, whatever, keep the watch as limited as possible (an Apple trait) and keep the battery l life L-O-N-G. My Casio watch as like a 10 year battery. If my phone could just alert me on my watch, that's most of what I or most people need.

     

    We will see. But complexity is not my strongest suite or interest.

  • Reply 37 of 97
    dugbugdugbug Posts: 283member
    mac_128 wrote: »

    Well, ?Pay will no longer function once the watch is taken off your wrist without re-authentication. Now while it's possible that feature can be disabled for notifications, do you really want just anybody to be able to receive your private notifications remotely just by strapping it onto their wrist?

    Unless there's a built-in DNA reader, if the watch doesn't lock out the iPhone when removed from the wrist, then anyone can put it on and access all your data without some kind of "touch-ID" passcode re-authentication. We'll have to wait until Monday to see how cumbersome that may or may not be.

    Apple pay is optional and requires a pin to unlock each time you put the watch on. That does not mean all features are pin locked
  • Reply 38 of 97
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post





    How dare Jony Ive not conform to status quo I'm gonna rage quit Apple¡



    I actually liked the socks. Adds a bit of eccentricity to him.

  • Reply 39 of 97
    rogifan wrote: »
    Can someone explain why you would be recharging your watch in the office? The rumors say 5 hours battery life with "heavy use" and all day battery life with light to moderate usage. Who's gonna be heavily using their watch during the day in the office?

    And now I see one of the Pebble founders is out there saying Apple's going to find out apps aren't the way to go with smartwatches. Except the "apps" on ?Watch aren't full blown iPhone apps. And yeah if I can use an "app" to control my ?TV or unlock my door or start my car hell yeah that's useful.

    Seems to me like people are coming up with exaggerated worst case scenario is just to trash this product. :rolleyes:

    Elmer FUDd. He liked to hunt easy targets. And unreleased Apple products are easy targets.

    If Apple Watch manages to get apps done the right way (user experience, convenience, battery life), and buyers love it, the hardened naysayers will first explain it away ("The iSheep will buy anything from Apple") before clamoring for their favorite competitors to do watch apps too (the "Apple needs competition" phase) before going into deep denial (the "but but but Samsung had apps first!!!" phase).

    Or as I call it: the circle of troll.
  • Reply 40 of 97
    isteelersisteelers Posts: 738member
    rogifan wrote: »
    Can someone explain why you would be recharging your watch in the office? The rumors say 5 hours battery life with "heavy use" and all day battery life with light to moderate usage. Who's gonna be heavily using their watch during the day in the office?

    And now I see one of the Pebble founders is out there saying Apple's going to find out apps aren't the way to go with smartwatches. Except the "apps" on ?Watch aren't full blown iPhone apps. And yeah if I can use an "app" to control my ?TV or unlock my door or start my car hell yeah that's useful.

    Seems to me like people are coming up with exaggerated worst case scenario is just to trash this product. :rolleyes:

    The "competition" is scare and adopting a more defensive stance the closer it comes to release date. Just because Pebble can't figure out apps for the watch doesn't mean they can't be executed properly. The more I see the watch, the more I want one. Probably not a pre-order or a release day purchase, but eventually. I am most excited about what innovative third-party developers may come up with over time. Time will tell, but if executed right, it may truly be a game-changing product.
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