Well said. I think it is interesting how much you can get away with in the name of humor if you make it clear that you are making a parody of actual racists.
There is definitely a difference between people trying to be politically correct yet wanting to convey racist points of view to people like Jimmy Kimmel who introduced President Obama as the the first black, socialist, muslim Kenyan born president of the United States.
I think making it obvious humor allows for a disconnect. Leonardo DiCaprio can say the "N-word" dozens of times in a few minutes and talk about the inferiority of the "negro" based on his phrenological skull shape, but that's perfectly fine because we know it's movie, just as we know that in South Park and Family Guy all the offensive stuff had to be thought up, written down, and then spoken with at least one take by the voice actors, but it being a cartoon seems to make that by and large OK. As a live action I don't think the pedophile on Family Guy or the stuff Cartman says about Jews* would be taken as well.
* Jew v Jewish is also an unusual term. It seems that if it sounds fine to include the -ish suffix you should do it, because otherwise it sounds racist, but in the example above you can't use Jewishs so writing Jews is then fine, providing you're not being racist in your context.
I try to stay away from that sort of media (from both sides). I see nothing worthwhile from that and if a news anchor I employed made that collage I'd fire them.
Yeah, but we're all not watching the same channels. There is a mix and you have repeatedly failed to account for channels you don't watch as being desirably by others.
Perhaps you could look at it from Apple's perspective. Your unrefined, single-minded "Hulk smash!" concept simply won't work. How about considering something that works for more than just you.
For example, ?Television offers you around 30* channels for $40 per month. Those approx. 30 channels are getting all your local affiliates via your local cable company, where they get a part of your bill to keep them at bay and your Internet rates and bandwidth capping at a minimu, and then the others are picked based on your viewing habits. Perhaps they are all chosen individually at that point, or instead are grouped into packages, like all sports or all history/learning, or all kids, etc.
* Perhaps a few more of less depending on local affiliate setups.
I try to stay away from that sort of media (from both sides). I see nothing worthwhile from that and if a news anchor I employed made that collage I'd fire them.
I don't either, but I came across it whilst traversing the Internet.
But I'm not getting less. All I need is the 20 channels AppleTV provides. The other 180 channels that cable offers are POS channels that I never watch. Thats the whole point. Apple is offering a smaller bundle with only the popular channels instead of charging double and giving a ton of crap channels.
Please llet us know which channels are on Apple TV and why all other channels are irrelevant or POS as you say. Just because you don't speak Spanish doesn't mean the channels are POS.
Just because you don't speak Spanish doesn't mean the channels are POS.
If we have to pick our channels beforehand I'll be a little sad because I won't get the Spanish channels but I'll surely miss all those amazing girls I just happen to land on when flipping through the channels.
If we have to pick our channels beforehand I'll be a little sad because I won't get the Spanish channels but I'll surely miss all those amazing girls I just happen to land on when flipping through the channels.
Well, Spanish girls aside, @sog35 the all knowing rules! My favorite TV channels are irrelevant.
"cut the cord" has been totally misappropriated, it means that you stop paying for TV, and better yet stop watching TV altogether. Getting rid of Comcast and returning my cable box was a happy, happy day. Paying Apple $40 a month for 25 channels and no internet sounds unappealing, even if I wanted to watch TV.
When people say they are cutting the cord, it is mostly just a bunch of hot air. They say they are going to get their TV over the air. Fine, but are you going to install the antenna yourself, rewire your coax yourself? You'll make a dozen trips to Home Depot, scratch a few knuckles, breathe some insulation, make a few mistakes and fix some wall board and also spend at least a few hundred dollars getting an OTA set up working well. I did it so I think I'm qualified to comment. If you have it professionally installed be prepared to pay upwards of $1,000 or double that in SoCal. Then you need to buy a few more Apple TVs. When you add up all the costs it could take a year or more to break even and all the while you are living with less than ideal content.
Oh really? I cut the cord for $0. Because all I watch is what can be seen through AppleTV.
Cutting the cord does not mean finding a different way to watch all the same crap. It means ditching the crap because you don't watch it, or have any desire or need to watch it.
"cut the cord" has been totally misappropriated, it means that you stop paying for TV, and better yet stop watching TV altogether. Getting rid of Comcast and returning my cable box was a happy, happy day. Paying Apple $40 a month for 25 channels and no internet sounds unappealing, even if I wanted to watch TV.
Apple is offering the middle ground. Offering 20-30 core channels that everyone has to pay for and smaller packages that are optional. To me that is 100x better than the current options of either 200 channels or nothing.
TWC in Dallas offers:
20 channels: $20/month
20 channels + HBO: $30/month
70 channels: $40/month
200 channels: $50/month
200 channels + HBO: $70/month
So it's not just 200 channels or nothing. It is 200 channels or 70 channels or 20 channels with or without HBO. Not that different from Apple's cable subscription service.
the 20 channels only includes broadcast channels like ABC, NBC, FOX, ect. No ESPN, Food, HGTV, TNT, A&E. No deal for most of the USA.
The 70 channels is $40 a month. But then you need to add $80 for 3 HD-DVR's. So you bill is now $140 with tax.
That's where Time Warner gets you. The cable boxes. Now you can't even get the local stations if you plug your tv directly into the wall cable. You need a box for every single TV.
And those prices are a promotion. So in 12 months you will be paying a whole lot more.
If you want ESPN and HD-DVR you are basically going to pay at least $140 a month with 3 boxes. Add internet and you are at $170+
With Apple TV it would be $35 for TV service and $35 for internet. $70 total.
I'm still saving $100 a month.
I would be okay with cable pricing if I could use my AppleTv as a cable box instead of paying $960 a year on POS cable boxes.
My question is... will you be getting the exact same things from Apple that you would from regular cable TV?
We all know how traditional cable TV works... there are channels that are broadcast from the central office... and you can watch live or DVR it for later.
But what exactly will be on Apple TV? Is it live TV? Or is it strictly on-demand?
And if it's only on-demand... is 100% of the content available?
I'd be pretty bummed if I paid for Apple's service which included FOX... but it was missing some FOX show.
Yeah Apple's solution maybe cheaper on paper than traditional cable TV... but you might not get the same things. And that's what some people are hinting at here.
Oh I get it... $70 a month is cheaper than $200 a month. But it might not be entirely comparable.
Apple lowers the price of the Apple TV to $69. I smell $30 starting cost of Apple network & cable service package, so Tim or Eddy can tell you that you will get TV for just $100. Then after that it's only $30 a month. But wait there's more! You will get discounted purchases of all iTunes media and maybe App Store apps (like Amazon Prime). Streaming of select movies, TV and our new owned BEATS service for a "small fee" of $15 (like a Netflix / Spotify Hybrid) "we too will have original content made by our sort of company Pixar, great for the Kids!" Add select channels like HBO and Showtime for $15 each (don't forget Cinemax and special pay-per view events I.e. The big boxing match! That will be close to $100 if not more).
Oh yeah, and remember you have iCloud/Drive to back up all your Devices. But iCloud photos are starting to really add up from my older DSLR photos on Aperture so I should upgrade to the 500gig $9.99 a month drive or.... You know what! I'm going to be shooting raw high res photos and high speed video (120fps information @1080p. hell, why not say 4K video like the GoPro) on my new "iPhone 6r you just announced (r is for raw to enhance in our new OSX photos app for !free! since it's free, I'm using it)" so I better bump my iCloud/Drive service to $19.99 a month for 1TB storage to keep everything in Sync across all my devices. Let's face it, you want -cough- sorry, you need the space so just get a 128gig model for $399, plus you have to sign up for another 2 year phone plan for $150 a month bc now you can sync photos and video over cellular data (ouch).
Another thing! We actually came out with a new Apple TV with motion tracking so you can play interactive games on your TV. This TV/Game console will release for $100 so forget getting the older $69 model. Also the "Angry Birds like" interactive games will start out as a monthly service of $5 a month with select vendors like EA releasing for purchase games at $10-$15 per game (same as iTunes movie prices) but they can also be discounted if you have our $30 TV service. One more final thing.... we came out with a newly designed ultra thin&light MacBook Pro Air with Retina screen a video card that handles 4K video like a breeze, 2TB SSD drive, thunderbolt 2.0 and USB-C, starting at $1999. That comes out today and well.... It's just damn cool and you want one! All of this for a little under $3000! I love you Apple and sign me up!
Apparently you still fail to understand that you save $100 by getting less.
I could save on my car payments too by downgrading from a BMW to KIA.
If you want to give up a lot of content then that is your choice, but the comparison is apples to oranges.
Washing dishes? You are the one with three TVs. I only have two. And FYI I can't see the TV while washing dishes, not that I wash many dishes. The sink faces out the window at a beautiful view of nature. The TV faces the breakfast nook.
Do you eat Korean foods? The whole point is to eat the main dishes that you actually order, not all side dishes that are included with the meal. Understand?
My question is... will you be getting the exact same things from Apple that you would from regular cable TV?
We all know how traditional cable TV works... there are channels that are broadcast from the central office... and you can watch live or DVR it for later.
But what exactly will be on Apple TV? Is it live TV? Or is it strictly on-demand?
And if it's only on-demand... is 100% of the content available?
I'd be pretty bummed if I paid for Apple's service which included FOX... but it was missing some FOX show.
Yeah Apple's solution maybe cheaper on paper than traditional cable TV... but you might not get the same things. And that's what some people are hinting at here.
Oh I get it... $70 a month is cheaper than $200 a month. But it might not be entirely comparable.
You don't understand at all huh? No TV program providers has exact same programs Dish, DTV or Comcast...Apple TV offers you a choice of paying what you actually want with less cost. I used to like Cooking channel on Dish and in order to get that channel, I had to upgrade to the top package which added $30 more a month. This is exactly what Apple try to fill in: pay for channels you want.
And how much did you pay for your TiVo with lifetime? $500? What happens when it breaks? I've done the analysis between buying tivo boxes and sticking with cable boxes and it would take 3 years to recoup the tivo hardware costs.
Do you get ESPN, TNT, NFL Network? Dont think so.
And what happens if my cable provider decides not to support the Tivo box I use? I'm screwed that's what.
of course if all you care about is OTA broadcast than Tivo is the way to go. But if you are getting cable content it is too risky to use a Tivo, IMO. TimeWarner could change their standards and I'd be screwed.
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Originally Posted by sog35
Hd-dvr cost $25 per month with cable. At $500 for tivo would take 20 months to recoup the cost. Plus there is no guarantee the tivo wil work with time warner in a few years.
Keeping my exact same channel lineup, the cost savings of not having to rent the DVR from Comcast meant it would take me a little over three years to recoup the cost of TiVO + lifetime service + 3 year extended warranty. So that "3 years to recoup" is true, but that part about it not including cable channels is not true. If I went strictly OTA thet TiVo would pay for itself in less than a year. I also purchased my own cable modem and stopped renting that from Comcast. All together the pay-back period was around 2.5 years for both the modem and the TiVo.
As far as the cable company changing their standards, they are required to support 3rd party set-top boxes via CableCards. And considering that many of their own boxes also use CableCards to connect, I don't see that technology going away too quickly.
What someone really needs to do is work on getting streaming for the higher tier (non-premium) cable channels. As long as there are a couple of channels I want on the 3rd tier of cable packages, I'll still need to buy through tier 1 & 2 to get there. Any streaming device that only duplicates tier 1 channels is a no-go because I'll already have all those channels. Give me a service that gets me those two tier 3 channels so I can drop to the cable company's tier 2 package and save money. And then work on adding in the tier 2 channels I want so I can further reduce my cable dependency. If they start on tier one they won't get my money until that have all the channels I want because you aren't saving my any money on my cable bill.
You don't understand at all huh? No TV program providers has exact same programs Dish, DTV or Comcast...Apple TV offers you a choice of paying what you actually want with less cost. I used to like Cooking channel on Dish and in order to get that channel, I had to upgrade to the top package which added $30 more a month. This is exactly what Apple try to fill in: pay for channels you want.
Hmmmm.... Apple does not let you choose the channels you want.
Apple is providing a "bundle" of channels just like the cable company. The rumors are suggesting around 25 channels for $40
I doubt any company will allow you to choose exactly the channels you want. Apple certainly isn't doing that.
Channels will always be offered in bundles. 20-25 channel bundles seem to be the lowest they'll go.
It would be cool if you could choose as few as 5 channels. But they'd end up charging you so much per channel that you'd be better off getting a larger package.
Something worth noting: There's already a service that provides HD service of local networks as well as top cable channels with on demand/DVR-in-the-cloud, even HBO is included. Only problem is you can't get it --unless you are a student at roughly a dozen universities. The service (philo.com) is only accessible over your university internet with your university log-in credentials. DVR as much SNL you want. Access it from any device just by logging in.
Second, the idea of 'channels' is so ingrained....it's not really relevant anymore. We're not talking about tuning to a set frequency. Content should be king. I'd like to see an Apple TV that used a similar model to that of Netflix. No matter what studio they come from, they should be able to stand on their own.
Now, another non-typical user. Sigh. We're talking about typical users which are majority, not data hungers. BTW, Netflix streaming is 3x more bandwidth than Hulu Plus.
I don't believe I said my usage is typical. It isn't unusual though, which is why the cable providers in our area have the unlimited option.
Families with children can blow through a lot of bandwidth.
The Cable company, Rogers, even promotes "SHOMI Watch as many hit TV shows and movies as you like."
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I think making it obvious humor allows for a disconnect. Leonardo DiCaprio can say the "N-word" dozens of times in a few minutes and talk about the inferiority of the "negro" based on his phrenological skull shape, but that's perfectly fine because we know it's movie, just as we know that in South Park and Family Guy all the offensive stuff had to be thought up, written down, and then spoken with at least one take by the voice actors, but it being a cartoon seems to make that by and large OK. As a live action I don't think the pedophile on Family Guy or the stuff Cartman says about Jews* would be taken as well.
* Jew v Jewish is also an unusual term. It seems that if it sounds fine to include the -ish suffix you should do it, because otherwise it sounds racist, but in the example above you can't use Jewishs so writing Jews is then fine, providing you're not being racist in your context.
I try to stay away from that sort of media (from both sides). I see nothing worthwhile from that and if a news anchor I employed made that collage I'd fire them.
Yeah, but we're all not watching the same channels. There is a mix and you have repeatedly failed to account for channels you don't watch as being desirably by others.
Perhaps you could look at it from Apple's perspective. Your unrefined, single-minded "Hulk smash!" concept simply won't work. How about considering something that works for more than just you.
For example, ?Television offers you around 30* channels for $40 per month. Those approx. 30 channels are getting all your local affiliates via your local cable company, where they get a part of your bill to keep them at bay and your Internet rates and bandwidth capping at a minimu, and then the others are picked based on your viewing habits. Perhaps they are all chosen individually at that point, or instead are grouped into packages, like all sports or all history/learning, or all kids, etc.
* Perhaps a few more of less depending on local affiliate setups.
I don't either, but I came across it whilst traversing the Internet.
Please llet us know which channels are on Apple TV and why all other channels are irrelevant or POS as you say. Just because you don't speak Spanish doesn't mean the channels are POS.
If we have to pick our channels beforehand I'll be a little sad because I won't get the Spanish channels but I'll surely miss all those amazing girls I just happen to land on when flipping through the channels.
If we have to pick our channels beforehand I'll be a little sad because I won't get the Spanish channels but I'll surely miss all those amazing girls I just happen to land on when flipping through the channels.
Well, Spanish girls aside, @sog35 the all knowing rules! My favorite TV channels are irrelevant.
Oh really? I cut the cord for $0. Because all I watch is what can be seen through AppleTV.
Cutting the cord does not mean finding a different way to watch all the same crap. It means ditching the crap because you don't watch it, or have any desire or need to watch it.
Apple is offering the middle ground. Offering 20-30 core channels that everyone has to pay for and smaller packages that are optional. To me that is 100x better than the current options of either 200 channels or nothing.
TWC in Dallas offers:
20 channels: $20/month
20 channels + HBO: $30/month
70 channels: $40/month
200 channels: $50/month
200 channels + HBO: $70/month
So it's not just 200 channels or nothing. It is 200 channels or 70 channels or 20 channels with or without HBO. Not that different from Apple's cable subscription service.
My question is... will you be getting the exact same things from Apple that you would from regular cable TV?
We all know how traditional cable TV works... there are channels that are broadcast from the central office... and you can watch live or DVR it for later.
But what exactly will be on Apple TV? Is it live TV? Or is it strictly on-demand?
And if it's only on-demand... is 100% of the content available?
I'd be pretty bummed if I paid for Apple's service which included FOX... but it was missing some FOX show.
Yeah Apple's solution maybe cheaper on paper than traditional cable TV... but you might not get the same things. And that's what some people are hinting at here.
Oh I get it... $70 a month is cheaper than $200 a month. But it might not be entirely comparable.
Oh yeah, and remember you have iCloud/Drive to back up all your Devices. But iCloud photos are starting to really add up from my older DSLR photos on Aperture so I should upgrade to the 500gig $9.99 a month drive or.... You know what! I'm going to be shooting raw high res photos and high speed video (120fps information @1080p. hell, why not say 4K video like the GoPro) on my new "iPhone 6r you just announced (r is for raw to enhance in our new OSX photos app for !free! since it's free, I'm using it)" so I better bump my iCloud/Drive service to $19.99 a month for 1TB storage to keep everything in Sync across all my devices. Let's face it, you want -cough- sorry, you need the space so just get a 128gig model for $399, plus you have to sign up for another 2 year phone plan for $150 a month bc now you can sync photos and video over cellular data (ouch).
Another thing! We actually came out with a new Apple TV with motion tracking so you can play interactive games on your TV. This TV/Game console will release for $100 so forget getting the older $69 model. Also the "Angry Birds like" interactive games will start out as a monthly service of $5 a month with select vendors like EA releasing for purchase games at $10-$15 per game (same as iTunes movie prices) but they can also be discounted if you have our $30 TV service. One more final thing.... we came out with a newly designed ultra thin&light MacBook Pro Air with Retina screen a video card that handles 4K video like a breeze, 2TB SSD drive, thunderbolt 2.0 and USB-C, starting at $1999. That comes out today and well.... It's just damn cool and you want one! All of this for a little under $3000! I love you Apple and sign me up!
Apparently you still fail to understand that you save $100 by getting less.
I could save on my car payments too by downgrading from a BMW to KIA.
If you want to give up a lot of content then that is your choice, but the comparison is apples to oranges.
Washing dishes? You are the one with three TVs. I only have two. And FYI I can't see the TV while washing dishes, not that I wash many dishes. The sink faces out the window at a beautiful view of nature. The TV faces the breakfast nook.
Do you eat Korean foods? The whole point is to eat the main dishes that you actually order, not all side dishes that are included with the meal. Understand?
My question is... will you be getting the exact same things from Apple that you would from regular cable TV?
We all know how traditional cable TV works... there are channels that are broadcast from the central office... and you can watch live or DVR it for later.
But what exactly will be on Apple TV? Is it live TV? Or is it strictly on-demand?
And if it's only on-demand... is 100% of the content available?
I'd be pretty bummed if I paid for Apple's service which included FOX... but it was missing some FOX show.
Yeah Apple's solution maybe cheaper on paper than traditional cable TV... but you might not get the same things. And that's what some people are hinting at here.
Oh I get it... $70 a month is cheaper than $200 a month. But it might not be entirely comparable.
You don't understand at all huh? No TV program providers has exact same programs Dish, DTV or Comcast...Apple TV offers you a choice of paying what you actually want with less cost. I used to like Cooking channel on Dish and in order to get that channel, I had to upgrade to the top package which added $30 more a month. This is exactly what Apple try to fill in: pay for channels you want.
And how much did you pay for your TiVo with lifetime? $500? What happens when it breaks? I've done the analysis between buying tivo boxes and sticking with cable boxes and it would take 3 years to recoup the tivo hardware costs.
Do you get ESPN, TNT, NFL Network? Dont think so.
And what happens if my cable provider decides not to support the Tivo box I use? I'm screwed that's what.
of course if all you care about is OTA broadcast than Tivo is the way to go. But if you are getting cable content it is too risky to use a Tivo, IMO. TimeWarner could change their standards and I'd be screwed.
Hd-dvr cost $25 per month with cable. At $500 for tivo would take 20 months to recoup the cost. Plus there is no guarantee the tivo wil work with time warner in a few years.
Keeping my exact same channel lineup, the cost savings of not having to rent the DVR from Comcast meant it would take me a little over three years to recoup the cost of TiVO + lifetime service + 3 year extended warranty. So that "3 years to recoup" is true, but that part about it not including cable channels is not true. If I went strictly OTA thet TiVo would pay for itself in less than a year. I also purchased my own cable modem and stopped renting that from Comcast. All together the pay-back period was around 2.5 years for both the modem and the TiVo.
As far as the cable company changing their standards, they are required to support 3rd party set-top boxes via CableCards. And considering that many of their own boxes also use CableCards to connect, I don't see that technology going away too quickly.
What someone really needs to do is work on getting streaming for the higher tier (non-premium) cable channels. As long as there are a couple of channels I want on the 3rd tier of cable packages, I'll still need to buy through tier 1 & 2 to get there. Any streaming device that only duplicates tier 1 channels is a no-go because I'll already have all those channels. Give me a service that gets me those two tier 3 channels so I can drop to the cable company's tier 2 package and save money. And then work on adding in the tier 2 channels I want so I can further reduce my cable dependency. If they start on tier one they won't get my money until that have all the channels I want because you aren't saving my any money on my cable bill.
Hmmmm.... Apple does not let you choose the channels you want.
Apple is providing a "bundle" of channels just like the cable company. The rumors are suggesting around 25 channels for $40
I doubt any company will allow you to choose exactly the channels you want. Apple certainly isn't doing that.
Channels will always be offered in bundles. 20-25 channel bundles seem to be the lowest they'll go.
It would be cool if you could choose as few as 5 channels. But they'd end up charging you so much per channel that you'd be better off getting a larger package.
Second, the idea of 'channels' is so ingrained....it's not really relevant anymore. We're not talking about tuning to a set frequency. Content should be king. I'd like to see an Apple TV that used a similar model to that of Netflix. No matter what studio they come from, they should be able to stand on their own.
Now, another non-typical user. Sigh. We're talking about typical users which are majority, not data hungers. BTW, Netflix streaming is 3x more bandwidth than Hulu Plus.
I don't believe I said my usage is typical. It isn't unusual though, which is why the cable providers in our area have the unlimited option.
Families with children can blow through a lot of bandwidth.
The Cable company, Rogers, even promotes "SHOMI Watch as many hit TV shows and movies as you like."