Google's APIs are some of the most confusing that I've ever worked with. I haven't looked at their newest stuff. Let's hope they are moving away from the mind-numbing XML garbage that they had, and adopting more cleanly-designed JSON-encoded data. I doubt it, though.
They make every web page with any code from them (most pages), total garbage (made my idiots, because when I see the code I can't believe it!!) and slow. If I disable all the garbage tracking code from a web page it load 10 times faster, simple as that.
Being a Google API software engineer myself, I can attest that Google shut off previous generation API service on April 20th, after abundant notice to developers. You as a developer would need to adopt their latest generation APIs (which are a lot more complex and overhead-intensive) to continue to have access to Google services via that means.
Not at all happy with this regardless of the rationale. This is one of the downsides of subscription based software, you don't even get to use the obsoleted version when the vendor decides to quit supporting it based on their self interests rather than yours. ;-)
I wouldn't be surprised if the stink from this power play by Google raises the ire of regulators who are currently scrutizing the Google monopoly.
Boo to Apple for creating more landfill fodder.
I'll wait to see what Apple offers next month as a next gen Apple TV before shelling out cash for a third generation Apple TV that's now next in line for planned obsolescence.
At least Apple was nice enough to remove the stinking carcass of the dead YouTube app from AppleTV. Now will they do the same for older iOS devices like iPod Touch 4 and iPad 1? I doubt it.
Its not just subscription software, anything that relies on a cloud server and its API and has a an APP with an API to access this server which cannot be changed easily can become broken in the future. Say you have access dropbox on some old Android or IOS phone and they stop updating the client (in theory you can access it through the the web client, but that would be a bitch on a phone).
Cloud works if you can update the client easily, otherwise eventually something will stop working.
Being a Google API software engineer myself, I can attest that Google shut off previous generation API service on April 20th, after abundant notice to developers. You as a developer would need to adopt their latest generation APIs (which are a lot more complex and overhead-intensive) to continue to have access to Google services via that means.
Cause that'S what we need , an API that finds its way in almost every page that's overhead intensive.... Good grief.
No wonder why, I've got all sort of javascript filters in my browser.
Perhaps not. Apparently there's an ad-free subsubscription version soon to be announced. I think the paid model is the one that most folks here have expressed a preference for anyway isn't it?
I don't recall what their preferences were. I supposed
that's one option. YouTube is turning to the Hulu model.
...a device that was released 5 YEARS AGO is now non-functional, and because of reasons outside their own control?
Not totally out of Apple's control. More like a deliberate decision to not update the app using the new APIs... because... the devices are EOL anyway, regardless of the status of YouTube. Deprecated devices do not usually receive software updates.
I'll wait to see what Apple offers next month as a next gen Apple TV before shelling out cash for a third generation Apple TV that's now next in line for planned obsolescence.
The AppleTV isn't just a YouTube player. It does other things and continues to do them well. In fact, the third gen model continues to gain content and functionality as time goes on. So quit with the trolling remarks.
Not totally out of Apple's control. More like a deliberate decision to not update the app using the new APIs... because... the devices are EOL anyway, regardless of the status of YouTube. Deprecated devices do not usually receive software updates.
Sure. But the device also runs an a4 chip, probably weaker than that of the iPhone 4 also, so it's not out of the question to think that iw wouldn't handle the new APIs well anyway. Even the AppleTV 3 can be sluggish, and that's running an A5.
Sure. But the device also runs an a4 chip, probably weaker than that of the iPhone 4 also, so it's not out of the question to think that iw wouldn't handle the new APIs well anyway.
There is is nothing to suggest that the new APIs are any more demanding on the older hardware, although that very well might be the case. The principle reason the older hardware is not updated at all is because it is not financially practical to invest in rewriting old 32 bit code for a declining user base.
Version 10.09 is still working on my 3gS running iOS 6. You can still view YouTube through the phones browser like windows phones do. Third party YouTube apps probably work as well.
Sure. But the device also runs an a4 chip, probably weaker than that of the iPhone 4 also, so it's not out of the question to think that iw wouldn't handle the new APIs well anyway. Even the AppleTV 3 can be sluggish, and that's running an A5.
It's simple: Apple has drawn a line in the sand and isn't going to spend time and money back porting and testing the latest versions of WebKit (which supports the new APIs YouTube requires) on hardware beyond a certain point.
Every technology company makes similar decisions: how far back are we willing to spend money to support? Usually based on diminishing numbers of users of hardware the further back you go.
Version 10.09 is still working on my 3gS running iOS 6.
You are running the Google YouTube app from the App Store. The Apple TV (and older iOS devices as well) was running an Apple provided YouTube app.
Apple has chosen not to update their existing app, Google has chosen not to support the older API. This is not an issue of the hardware not being able to support the new API -- this is Apple deciding to place their focus on other things than keeping functionality working on devices they no longer sell.
Also, if you still want to watch YouTube videos on your 2nd gen Apple TV, you can -- it just requires another iOS device. I play YouTube videos all the time from my iPhone to both the 2nd and 3rd gen Apple TV in my house. I just AirPlay it over. I find that it's a better experience for me when I do it that way, but your experience may vary.
So if you like and want to keep using YouTube on Apple TV, you simply pony up another $99 for a new Apple TV. Simple.
I thought I had found a work-around here ... I have the YouTube App on my iPhone and iPad, so I got cleaver and decided to stream the video via Airplay to the ?TV. Boy did I get a surprise --
As near as I can tell sometime in the last year, the ?TV got an update, or iOS 8 Apps did, that prevent the iOS device from streaming the video directly from the phone to the ?TV. Instead, it appears to hand off the video address to the ?TV, and then the ?TV streams the content directly through its network connection.
This was quite a shocker, because now I have to have my ?TV and iOS devices all accessing the same network subnet. Apple's native Apps and iTunes does not do this (except Safari). They stream the video content directly to the ?TV without a network connection. But Netflix, YouTube, and even a random video played from CNN will not stream without a network connection. So even Safari seems to be handing off a video address and not stream the video directly Peer to Peer. This is a BUMMER. So now that YouTube has removed the native ?TV app, I do have to upgraded to a new box. Fortunately it's only $69 now, but still. The good news is that my 2nd Gen ?TV commands a lot of money on the open market since it can be jailbroken.
Being a Google API software engineer myself, I can attest that Google shut off previous generation API service on April 20th, after abundant notice to developers. You as a developer would need to adopt their latest generation APIs (which are a lot more complex and overhead-intensive) to continue to have access to Google services via that means.
Would have been nice if they had continued to support a "Lite" version (sort of a blue box) but they decided for YouTube to grow and become a full member of the Empire they had to make it fat. Welcome YouTube to the dark side.
You are running the Google YouTube app from the App Store. The Apple TV (and older iOS devices as well) was running an Apple provided YouTube app.
Apple has chosen not to update their existing app, Google has chosen not to support the older API. This is not an issue of the hardware not being able to support the new API -- this is Apple deciding to place their focus on other things than keeping functionality working on devices they no longer sell.
Also, if you still want to watch YouTube videos on your 2nd gen Apple TV, you can -- it just requires another iOS device. I play YouTube videos all the time from my iPhone to both the 2nd and 3rd gen Apple TV in my house. I just AirPlay it over. I find that it's a better experience for me when I do it that way, but your experience may vary.
Yeah. The article states that it would be removed from older devices running iOS 6 or earlier. I was just saying it was still working in my 3GS which is running iOS 6. I have an AppleTV 3 , but to be honest watch YouTube most of the time on a phone or tablet whilst the rest of the family watch terrestrial stations on our main tv.
I own a Gen 2 Apple TV. Breaking apps/removing them when they work perfectly fine is unacceptable. It may even be illegal. There is a huge difference between "not supporting" something and deliberately removing a capability in a functioning device....remotely, even.
I own a Gen 2 Apple TV. Breaking apps/removing them when they work perfectly fine is unacceptable. It may even be illegal. There is a huge difference between "not supporting" something and deliberately removing a capability in a functioning device....remotely, even.
It wasn't going to remain functioning. Apple removed it because it wasn't going to work anymore.
Not at all happy with this regardless of the rationale. This is one of the downsides of subscription based software, you don't even get to use the obsoleted version when the vendor decides to quit supporting it based on their self interests rather than yours. ;-)
I wouldn't be surprised if the stink from this power play by Google raises the ire of regulators who are currently scrutizing the Google monopoly.
Boo to Apple for creating more landfill fodder.
I'll wait to see what Apple offers next month as a next gen Apple TV before shelling out cash for a third generation Apple TV that's now next in line for planned obsolescence.
At least Apple was nice enough to remove the stinking carcass of the dead YouTube app from AppleTV. Now will they do the same for older iOS devices like iPod Touch 4 and iPad 1? I doubt it.
In all fairness the Apple TV 3rd generation has been out for quite a long time. You can't expect Apple to support these things forever. Personally I moved away from the Apple TV to a Minix X8-H Plus because I enjoy it's freedom of content, features, ports and the ability to install apps like the absolutely wonderful Kodi (XBMC), which has completely changed the way I use my TV. Maybe you should also move on, it's okay to own a device that's not made by Apple. Nvidia's new Shield TV console for instance is going to be force to reckon with, available this month.
I own a Gen 2 Apple TV. Breaking apps/removing them when they work perfectly fine is unacceptable. It may even be illegal. There is a huge difference between "not supporting" something and deliberately removing a capability in a functioning device....remotely, even.
Assuming that they are not going to rewrite the app to support the new APIs, would you rather have a dead YouTube icon on your screen or have them remove the obsolete app?
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Google's APIs are some of the most confusing that I've ever worked with. I haven't looked at their newest stuff. Let's hope they are moving away from the mind-numbing XML garbage that they had, and adopting more cleanly-designed JSON-encoded data. I doubt it, though.
They make every web page with any code from them (most pages), total garbage (made my idiots, because when I see the code I can't believe it!!) and slow. If I disable all the garbage tracking code from a web page it load 10 times faster, simple as that.
Not at all happy with this regardless of the rationale. This is one of the downsides of subscription based software, you don't even get to use the obsoleted version when the vendor decides to quit supporting it based on their self interests rather than yours. ;-)
I wouldn't be surprised if the stink from this power play by Google raises the ire of regulators who are currently scrutizing the Google monopoly.
Boo to Apple for creating more landfill fodder.
I'll wait to see what Apple offers next month as a next gen Apple TV before shelling out cash for a third generation Apple TV that's now next in line for planned obsolescence.
At least Apple was nice enough to remove the stinking carcass of the dead YouTube app from AppleTV. Now will they do the same for older iOS devices like iPod Touch 4 and iPad 1? I doubt it.
Its not just subscription software, anything that relies on a cloud server and its API and has a an APP with an API to access this server which cannot be changed easily can become broken in the future. Say you have access dropbox on some old Android or IOS phone and they stop updating the client (in theory you can access it through the the web client, but that would be a bitch on a phone).
Cloud works if you can update the client easily, otherwise eventually something will stop working.
Being a Google API software engineer myself, I can attest that Google shut off previous generation API service on April 20th, after abundant notice to developers. You as a developer would need to adopt their latest generation APIs (which are a lot more complex and overhead-intensive) to continue to have access to Google services via that means.
Cause that'S what we need , an API that finds its way in almost every page that's overhead intensive.... Good grief.
No wonder why, I've got all sort of javascript filters in my browser.
I don't recall what their preferences were. I supposed
that's one option. YouTube is turning to the Hulu model.
...a device that was released 5 YEARS AGO is now non-functional, and because of reasons outside their own control?
Not totally out of Apple's control. More like a deliberate decision to not update the app using the new APIs... because... the devices are EOL anyway, regardless of the status of YouTube. Deprecated devices do not usually receive software updates.
The AppleTV isn't just a YouTube player. It does other things and continues to do them well. In fact, the third gen model continues to gain content and functionality as time goes on. So quit with the trolling remarks.
Not totally out of Apple's control. More like a deliberate decision to not update the app using the new APIs... because... the devices are EOL anyway, regardless of the status of YouTube. Deprecated devices do not usually receive software updates.
Sure. But the device also runs an a4 chip, probably weaker than that of the iPhone 4 also, so it's not out of the question to think that iw wouldn't handle the new APIs well anyway. Even the AppleTV 3 can be sluggish, and that's running an A5.
Sure. But the device also runs an a4 chip, probably weaker than that of the iPhone 4 also, so it's not out of the question to think that iw wouldn't handle the new APIs well anyway.
There is is nothing to suggest that the new APIs are any more demanding on the older hardware, although that very well might be the case. The principle reason the older hardware is not updated at all is because it is not financially practical to invest in rewriting old 32 bit code for a declining user base.
Sure. But the device also runs an a4 chip, probably weaker than that of the iPhone 4 also, so it's not out of the question to think that iw wouldn't handle the new APIs well anyway. Even the AppleTV 3 can be sluggish, and that's running an A5.
It's simple: Apple has drawn a line in the sand and isn't going to spend time and money back porting and testing the latest versions of WebKit (which supports the new APIs YouTube requires) on hardware beyond a certain point.
Every technology company makes similar decisions: how far back are we willing to spend money to support? Usually based on diminishing numbers of users of hardware the further back you go.
Version 10.09 is still working on my 3gS running iOS 6.
You are running the Google YouTube app from the App Store. The Apple TV (and older iOS devices as well) was running an Apple provided YouTube app.
Apple has chosen not to update their existing app, Google has chosen not to support the older API. This is not an issue of the hardware not being able to support the new API -- this is Apple deciding to place their focus on other things than keeping functionality working on devices they no longer sell.
Also, if you still want to watch YouTube videos on your 2nd gen Apple TV, you can -- it just requires another iOS device. I play YouTube videos all the time from my iPhone to both the 2nd and 3rd gen Apple TV in my house. I just AirPlay it over. I find that it's a better experience for me when I do it that way, but your experience may vary.
So if you like and want to keep using YouTube on Apple TV, you simply pony up another $99 for a new Apple TV. Simple.
I thought I had found a work-around here ... I have the YouTube App on my iPhone and iPad, so I got cleaver and decided to stream the video via Airplay to the ?TV. Boy did I get a surprise --
As near as I can tell sometime in the last year, the ?TV got an update, or iOS 8 Apps did, that prevent the iOS device from streaming the video directly from the phone to the ?TV. Instead, it appears to hand off the video address to the ?TV, and then the ?TV streams the content directly through its network connection.
This was quite a shocker, because now I have to have my ?TV and iOS devices all accessing the same network subnet. Apple's native Apps and iTunes does not do this (except Safari). They stream the video content directly to the ?TV without a network connection. But Netflix, YouTube, and even a random video played from CNN will not stream without a network connection. So even Safari seems to be handing off a video address and not stream the video directly Peer to Peer. This is a BUMMER. So now that YouTube has removed the native ?TV app, I do have to upgraded to a new box. Fortunately it's only $69 now, but still. The good news is that my 2nd Gen ?TV commands a lot of money on the open market since it can be jailbroken.
Being a Google API software engineer myself, I can attest that Google shut off previous generation API service on April 20th, after abundant notice to developers. You as a developer would need to adopt their latest generation APIs (which are a lot more complex and overhead-intensive) to continue to have access to Google services via that means.
Would have been nice if they had continued to support a "Lite" version (sort of a blue box) but they decided for YouTube to grow and become a full member of the Empire they had to make it fat. Welcome YouTube to the dark side.
Yeah. The article states that it would be removed from older devices running iOS 6 or earlier. I was just saying it was still working in my 3GS which is running iOS 6. I have an AppleTV 3 , but to be honest watch YouTube most of the time on a phone or tablet whilst the rest of the family watch terrestrial stations on our main tv.
It wasn't going to remain functioning. Apple removed it because it wasn't going to work anymore.
In all fairness the Apple TV 3rd generation has been out for quite a long time. You can't expect Apple to support these things forever. Personally I moved away from the Apple TV to a Minix X8-H Plus because I enjoy it's freedom of content, features, ports and the ability to install apps like the absolutely wonderful Kodi (XBMC), which has completely changed the way I use my TV. Maybe you should also move on, it's okay to own a device that's not made by Apple. Nvidia's new Shield TV console for instance is going to be force to reckon with, available this month.
I own a Gen 2 Apple TV. Breaking apps/removing them when they work perfectly fine is unacceptable. It may even be illegal. There is a huge difference between "not supporting" something and deliberately removing a capability in a functioning device....remotely, even.
Assuming that they are not going to rewrite the app to support the new APIs, would you rather have a dead YouTube icon on your screen or have them remove the obsolete app?