I got mine - eventually, faster than promised, 42mm SS with black strap...
to anyone putting apple on shitlist - it was frustrating waiting, but they made good on their promise delivery date - made when i ordered.
also i have pebble steel - with always on display, waterproof etc... i have NO desire to ever go back to the pebble, despite the couple of apparent advantages.....
its worth the wait people, it doesn't do much, but it does what it needs to with excellence - its a fabulous device, so hang in there.....
Available for: Apple Watch Sport, Apple Watch, and Apple Watch Edition
Impact: Processing a maliciously crafted font file may lead to arbitrary code execution
Description: A memory corruption issue existed in the processing of font files. This issue was addressed through improved bounds checking.
CVE-ID
CVE-2015-1093 : Marc Schoenefeld
Foundation
Available for: Apple Watch Sport, Apple Watch, and Apple Watch Edition
Impact: An application using NSXMLParser may be misused to disclose information
Description: An XML External Entity issue existed in NSXMLParser's handling of XML. This issue was addressed by not loading external entities across origins.
CVE-ID
CVE-2015-1092 : Ikuya Fukumoto
IOHIDFamily
Available for: Apple Watch Sport, Apple Watch, and Apple Watch Edition
Impact: A malicious application may be able to determine kernel memory layout
Description: An issue existed in IOHIDFamily that led to the disclosure of kernel memory content. This issue was addressed through improved bounds checking.
CVE-ID
CVE-2015-1096 : Ilja van Sprundel of IOActive
IOAcceleratorFamily
Available for: Apple Watch Sport, Apple Watch, and Apple Watch Edition
Impact: A malicious application may be able to determine kernel memory layout
Description: An issue existed in IOAcceleratorFamily that led to the disclosure of kernel memory content. This issue was addressed by removing unneeded code.
CVE-ID
CVE-2015-1094 : Cererdlong of Alibaba Mobile Security Team
Kernel
Available for: Apple Watch Sport, Apple Watch, and Apple Watch Edition
Impact: A malicious application may be able to cause a system denial of service
Description: A race condition existed in the kernel's setreuid system call. This issue was addressed through improved state management.
CVE-ID
CVE-2015-1099 : Mark Mentovai of Google Inc.
Kernel
Available for: Apple Watch Sport, Apple Watch, and Apple Watch Edition
Impact: An attacker with a privileged network position may be able to redirect user traffic to arbitrary hosts
Description: ICMP redirects were enabled by default. This issue was addressed by disabling ICMP redirects.
CVE-ID
CVE-2015-1103 : Zimperium Mobile Security Labs
Kernel
Available for: Apple Watch Sport, Apple Watch, and Apple Watch Edition
Impact: A remote attacker may be able to cause a denial of service
Description: A state inconsistency issue existed in the handling of TCP out of band data. This issue was addressed through improved state management.
CVE-ID
CVE-2015-1105 : Kenton Varda of Sandstorm.io
Kernel
Available for: Apple Watch Sport, Apple Watch, and Apple Watch Edition
Impact: A malicious application may escalate privileges using a compromised service intended to run with reduced privileges
Description: setreuid and setregid system calls failed to drop privileges permanently. This issue was addressed by correctly dropping privileges.
CVE-ID
CVE-2015-1117 : Mark Mentovai of Google Inc.
Kernel
Available for: Apple Watch Sport, Apple Watch, and Apple Watch Edition
Impact: A remote attacker may be able to bypass network filters
Description: The system would treat some IPv6 packets from remote network interfaces as local packets. The issue was addressed by rejecting these packets.
CVE-ID
CVE-2015-1104 : Stephen Roettger of the Google Security Team
Kernel
Available for: Apple Watch Sport, Apple Watch, and Apple Watch Edition
Impact: An attacker with a privileged network position may be able to cause a denial of service
Description: A state inconsistency existed in the processing of TCP headers. This issue was addressed through improved state handling.
CVE-ID
CVE-2015-1102 : Andrey Khudyakov and Maxim Zhuravlev of Kaspersky Lab
Kernel
Available for: Apple Watch Sport, Apple Watch, and Apple Watch Edition
Impact: A malicious application may be able to cause unexpected system termination or read kernel memory
Description: An out of bounds memory access issue existed in the kernel. This issue was addressed through improved memory handling.
CVE-ID
CVE-2015-1100 : Maxime Villard of m00nbsd
Kernel
Available for: Apple Watch Sport, Apple Watch, and Apple Watch Edition
Impact: A malicious application may be able to execute arbitrary code with system privileges
Description: A memory corruption issue existed in the kernel. This issue was addressed through improved memory handling.
CVE-ID
CVE-2015-1101 : lokihardt@ASRT working with HP's Zero Day Initiative
Secure Transport
Available for: Apple Watch Sport, Apple Watch, and Apple Watch Edition
Impact: An attacker with a privileged network position may intercept SSL/TLS connections
Description: Secure Transport accepted short ephemeral RSA keys, usually used only in export-strength RSA cipher suites, on connections using full-strength RSA cipher suites. This issue, also known as FREAK, only affected connections to servers which support export-strength RSA cipher suites, and was addressed by removing support for ephemeral RSA keys.
CVE-ID
CVE-2015-1067 : Benjamin Beurdouche, Karthikeyan Bhargavan, Antoine Delignat-Lavaud, Alfredo Pironti, and Jean Karim Zinzindohoue of Prosecco at Inria Paris
I ordered mine one minute after it went on sale. 2:02 AM central time. My Watch was delivered on launch day, has outsold all Android Wear watches combined, and it's now outselling the original iPhone. However, since the one guy above hasn't gotten his watch yet we can conclude the Apple Watch has been a failure. 8-)
This launch is still a major failure on Apple's part. I ordered on launch day and still waiting for my card to be charged. I am rarely critical of Apple. But until they can deliver on what they promised... They are on my shitlist.
No all pre-orders are delivered yet, your order on launch day is still late to the party, just wait.
Unless it has an update to fix heart rate monitoring for lifting weights and other "non-rythmic" exercises then I'm still not interested.
Unlike aerobic exercise, there is a poor correlation of heart rate to caloric burn when lifting weights and other "non-rythmic" exercises. It's physiology, not an Apple problem. Strength training doesn't burn many calories anyway.
x2. This was my first ever pre-order/launch order and I've used Apple products for over two decades. What a f*cking failure based on the expectations that Apple themselves set. I ordered on launch day and mine has yet to ship. Still "processing".
Quote:
Originally Posted by michaeloftroy
This launch is still a major failure on Apple's part. I ordered on launch day and still waiting for my card to be charged. I am rarely critical of Apple. But until they can deliver on what they promised... They are on my shitlist.
Both of you complained when little things don't make you happy. Let me see: 55 and 77 posts in 3 years in AI? I see the picture here.
This launch is still a major failure on Apple's part. I ordered on launch day and still waiting for my card to be charged. I am rarely critical of Apple. But until they can deliver on what they promised... They are on my shitlist.
The estimated ship dates are provided to the customer even before (s)he presses the "buy" button. That is the only "promise" that Apple gave you. Have they missed that estimate for you?
Quote:
Originally Posted by PotatoLeekSoup
x2. This was my first ever pre-order/launch order and I've used Apple products for over two decades. What a f*cking failure based on the expectations that Apple themselves set. I ordered on launch day and mine has yet to ship. Still "processing".
The estimated ship dates are provided to the customer even before (s)he presses the "buy" button. That is the only "expectation" that Apple set. Have they missed that estimate for you?
I ordered a 38mm sport on the 14th of May, I got a shipping notice on the 15th, and it will arrive tomorrow (yesterday was a Holiday for us in Canada).
It appears that delivery is highly model (and country) dependant.
I ordered mine on launch and got it the 24th, then ordered the wife's the following Sunday and got it Tuesday.
I guess if you order the cheapest most-popular model (like michaeloftroy), there will be a wait.
Meanwhile, back to topic:
The update works great! Resolves an issue with Hey Siri that I had.
The watch doesn't turn on as much when I am eating.
Here's hoping the battery life stays at about 50% use for a whole day...
Unlike aerobic exercise, there is a poor correlation of heart rate to caloric burn when lifting weights and other "non-rythmic" exercises. It's physiology, not an Apple problem. Strength training doesn't burn many calories anyway.
You're correct on the first part...most devoces that measure your HR on the wrist have that problem. My issue is that Apple never mentioned that in all their advertising. They made it seem as though they had fixed that issue. They now how a support page admiring it may not be accurate for non-rythmic activities. That's putting it mildly. I generally when my HR would be 160BPM it was saying around 100BPM.
As to your second part, strength training burns more calories per minute than cardio and continues to burn calories after you're done working out due to increased muscle mass. A 30 minute strength training workout usually burns around 400 calories. That's even taking a minute or two rest between sets.
I don't follow. It monitors your heart rate regularly (and therefore, activities that increase your heart rate -- relative to the resting rate -- should be reflected). What exactly is the problem? Can you be more specific?
. See my other reply. Apple's support page describes it a little bit if you google it you'll see some people give very specific examples.
You're correct on the first part...most devoces that measure your HR on the wrist have that problem. My issue is that Apple never mentioned that in all their advertising. They made it seem as though they had fixed that issue. They now how a support page admiring it may not be accurate for non-rythmic activities. That's putting it mildly. I generally when my HR would be 160BPM it was saying around 100BPM.
As to your second part, strength training burns more calories per minute than cardio and continues to burn calories after you're done working out due to increased muscle mass. A 30 minute strength training workout usually burns around 400 calories. That's even taking a minute or two rest between sets.
"For best results, start with a good fit. Even under ideal conditions, Apple Watch may not be able to get a reliable heart rate reading every time for everybody. And for a small percentage of users, various factors may make it impossible to get any heart rate reading at all. But there are things you can do to help Apple Watch get the most consistent and best heart rate readings possible."
"What else affects your reading? Many factors can affect the performance of the Apple Watch heart rate sensor. Skin perfusion is one. A fancy way of describing how much blood flows through your skin, skin perfusion varies significantly from person to person and can also be impacted by the environment. If you’re exercising in the cold, for example, the skin perfusion in your wrist may be too low for the heart rate sensor to get a reading. Motion is another factor that can affect the heart rate sensor. Rhythmic movements, such as running or cycling, give better results compared to irregular movements, like tennis or boxing. Permanent or temporary changes to your skin, such as some tattoos, can also impact heart rate sensor performance. The ink, pattern, and saturation of some tattoos can block light from the sensor, making it difficult to get reliable readings. If you’re not able to get a consistent reading because of any of these factors, you can connect your Apple Watch wirelessly to external heart rate monitors such as Bluetooth chest straps."
They had this up before the watch went on sale (except for the tattoos) So yeah they tell you but you need to look for it
I've found that if you don't wear the watch uncomfortably tight (at least, what I consider too tight), the heart rate monitor is completely pointless. I get that it needs to be tight to your wrist to work properly, and that I don't wear the watch that way, so I'd like to be able to turn it off completely, so at least it's not wasting battery life taking false readings.
On your iPhone: Apple watch app -> Workout -> enable power save mode. Says it works for walking/ running, but might work on other workouts too. You could also use a third party Bluetooth chest strap.
You're correct on the first part...most devoces that measure your HR on the wrist have that problem. My issue is that Apple never mentioned that in all their advertising. They made it seem as though they had fixed that issue. They now how a support page admiring it may not be accurate for non-rythmic activities. That's putting it mildly. I generally when my HR would be 160BPM it was saying around 100BPM.
As to your second part, strength training burns more calories per minute than cardio and continues to burn calories after you're done working out due to increased muscle mass. A 30 minute strength training workout usually burns around 400 calories. That's even taking a minute or two rest between sets.
Weight training is a non-aerobic activity. It therefore does not burn many calories nor lend itself to heart rate training. That's a biological fact; not an "issue" that a tech company can fix.
Both of you complained when little things don't make you happy. Let me see: 55 and 77 posts in 3 years in AI? I see the picture here.
I mostly lurk, and many times people make a point better than I think I can, so I don't add to the discussion. I don't think that makes a few and far between contribution somehow less meaningful.
The estimated ship dates are provided to the customer even before (s)he presses the "buy" button. That is the only "expectation" that Apple set. Have they missed that estimate for you?
To your point, Apple originally told me June, and has moved the window up to end of May. So yes, I agree that they are so far not failing to meet that estimate. But that is not the only expectation that they set.
I suppose I find the description of "pre-order" really inaccurate when numerous models of Apple Watch were not delivered or shipped on the first day or week of the implied normal availability window. Did Apple not suspect they would sell any Modern Buckles, Leather Loops, or Link Bracelets? It feels a bit misleading. Their actions are as if they had literally zero of those models available to deliver on that first non-pre-order day one.
What does that say to people who were up at midnight, or 3am, to order? You only saw those estimated timeframes once the online store refreshed then.
Comments
waiting for your Apple Watch
I got mine - eventually, faster than promised, 42mm SS with black strap...
to anyone putting apple on shitlist - it was frustrating waiting, but they made good on their promise delivery date - made when i ordered.
also i have pebble steel - with always on display, waterproof etc... i have NO desire to ever go back to the pebble, despite the couple of apparent advantages.....
its worth the wait people, it doesn't do much, but it does what it needs to with excellence - its a fabulous device, so hang in there.....
Actually he can also get a Moto360270 at for costco from Motorola!
I'm sure that's coming soon at least.
" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
Lost of security updates for the watch. Below is from here https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT20487
Watch OS 1.0.1
Certificate Trust Policy
Available for: Apple Watch Sport, Apple Watch, and Apple Watch Edition
Impact: Update to the certificate trust policy
Description: The certificate trust policy was updated. The complete list of certificates may be viewed at https://support.apple.com/kb/HT204873
FontParser
Available for: Apple Watch Sport, Apple Watch, and Apple Watch Edition
Impact: Processing a maliciously crafted font file may lead to arbitrary code execution
Description: A memory corruption issue existed in the processing of font files. This issue was addressed through improved bounds checking.
CVE-ID
CVE-2015-1093 : Marc Schoenefeld
Foundation
Available for: Apple Watch Sport, Apple Watch, and Apple Watch Edition
Impact: An application using NSXMLParser may be misused to disclose information
Description: An XML External Entity issue existed in NSXMLParser's handling of XML. This issue was addressed by not loading external entities across origins.
CVE-ID
CVE-2015-1092 : Ikuya Fukumoto
IOHIDFamily
Available for: Apple Watch Sport, Apple Watch, and Apple Watch Edition
Impact: A malicious application may be able to determine kernel memory layout
Description: An issue existed in IOHIDFamily that led to the disclosure of kernel memory content. This issue was addressed through improved bounds checking.
CVE-ID
CVE-2015-1096 : Ilja van Sprundel of IOActive
IOAcceleratorFamily
Available for: Apple Watch Sport, Apple Watch, and Apple Watch Edition
Impact: A malicious application may be able to determine kernel memory layout
Description: An issue existed in IOAcceleratorFamily that led to the disclosure of kernel memory content. This issue was addressed by removing unneeded code.
CVE-ID
CVE-2015-1094 : Cererdlong of Alibaba Mobile Security Team
Kernel
Available for: Apple Watch Sport, Apple Watch, and Apple Watch Edition
Impact: A malicious application may be able to cause a system denial of service
Description: A race condition existed in the kernel's setreuid system call. This issue was addressed through improved state management.
CVE-ID
CVE-2015-1099 : Mark Mentovai of Google Inc.
Kernel
Available for: Apple Watch Sport, Apple Watch, and Apple Watch Edition
Impact: An attacker with a privileged network position may be able to redirect user traffic to arbitrary hosts
Description: ICMP redirects were enabled by default. This issue was addressed by disabling ICMP redirects.
CVE-ID
CVE-2015-1103 : Zimperium Mobile Security Labs
Kernel
Available for: Apple Watch Sport, Apple Watch, and Apple Watch Edition
Impact: A remote attacker may be able to cause a denial of service
Description: A state inconsistency issue existed in the handling of TCP out of band data. This issue was addressed through improved state management.
CVE-ID
CVE-2015-1105 : Kenton Varda of Sandstorm.io
Kernel
Available for: Apple Watch Sport, Apple Watch, and Apple Watch Edition
Impact: A malicious application may escalate privileges using a compromised service intended to run with reduced privileges
Description: setreuid and setregid system calls failed to drop privileges permanently. This issue was addressed by correctly dropping privileges.
CVE-ID
CVE-2015-1117 : Mark Mentovai of Google Inc.
Kernel
Available for: Apple Watch Sport, Apple Watch, and Apple Watch Edition
Impact: A remote attacker may be able to bypass network filters
Description: The system would treat some IPv6 packets from remote network interfaces as local packets. The issue was addressed by rejecting these packets.
CVE-ID
CVE-2015-1104 : Stephen Roettger of the Google Security Team
Kernel
Available for: Apple Watch Sport, Apple Watch, and Apple Watch Edition
Impact: An attacker with a privileged network position may be able to cause a denial of service
Description: A state inconsistency existed in the processing of TCP headers. This issue was addressed through improved state handling.
CVE-ID
CVE-2015-1102 : Andrey Khudyakov and Maxim Zhuravlev of Kaspersky Lab
Kernel
Available for: Apple Watch Sport, Apple Watch, and Apple Watch Edition
Impact: A malicious application may be able to cause unexpected system termination or read kernel memory
Description: An out of bounds memory access issue existed in the kernel. This issue was addressed through improved memory handling.
CVE-ID
CVE-2015-1100 : Maxime Villard of m00nbsd
Kernel
Available for: Apple Watch Sport, Apple Watch, and Apple Watch Edition
Impact: A malicious application may be able to execute arbitrary code with system privileges
Description: A memory corruption issue existed in the kernel. This issue was addressed through improved memory handling.
CVE-ID
CVE-2015-1101 : lokihardt@ASRT working with HP's Zero Day Initiative
Secure Transport
Available for: Apple Watch Sport, Apple Watch, and Apple Watch Edition
Impact: An attacker with a privileged network position may intercept SSL/TLS connections
Description: Secure Transport accepted short ephemeral RSA keys, usually used only in export-strength RSA cipher suites, on connections using full-strength RSA cipher suites. This issue, also known as FREAK, only affected connections to servers which support export-strength RSA cipher suites, and was addressed by removing support for ephemeral RSA keys.
CVE-ID
CVE-2015-1067 : Benjamin Beurdouche, Karthikeyan Bhargavan, Antoine Delignat-Lavaud, Alfredo Pironti, and Jean Karim Zinzindohoue of Prosecco at Inria Paris
I ordered mine one minute after it went on sale. 2:02 AM central time. My Watch was delivered on launch day.
That is exactly my experience too.
This launch is still a major failure on Apple's part. I ordered on launch day and still waiting for my card to be charged. I am rarely critical of Apple. But until they can deliver on what they promised... They are on my shitlist.
No all pre-orders are delivered yet, your order on launch day is still late to the party, just wait.
Unless it has an update to fix heart rate monitoring for lifting weights and other "non-rythmic" exercises then I'm still not interested.
Unlike aerobic exercise, there is a poor correlation of heart rate to caloric burn when lifting weights and other "non-rythmic" exercises. It's physiology, not an Apple problem. Strength training doesn't burn many calories anyway.
x2. This was my first ever pre-order/launch order and I've used Apple products for over two decades. What a f*cking failure based on the expectations that Apple themselves set. I ordered on launch day and mine has yet to ship. Still "processing".
This launch is still a major failure on Apple's part. I ordered on launch day and still waiting for my card to be charged. I am rarely critical of Apple. But until they can deliver on what they promised... They are on my shitlist.
Both of you complained when little things don't make you happy. Let me see: 55 and 77 posts in 3 years in AI? I see the picture here.
This launch is still a major failure on Apple's part. I ordered on launch day and still waiting for my card to be charged. I am rarely critical of Apple. But until they can deliver on what they promised... They are on my shitlist.
The estimated ship dates are provided to the customer even before (s)he presses the "buy" button. That is the only "promise" that Apple gave you. Have they missed that estimate for you?
Quote:
x2. This was my first ever pre-order/launch order and I've used Apple products for over two decades. What a f*cking failure based on the expectations that Apple themselves set. I ordered on launch day and mine has yet to ship. Still "processing".
The estimated ship dates are provided to the customer even before (s)he presses the "buy" button. That is the only "expectation" that Apple set. Have they missed that estimate for you?
I ordered a 38mm sport on the 14th of May, I got a shipping notice on the 15th, and it will arrive tomorrow (yesterday was a Holiday for us in Canada).
It appears that delivery is highly model (and country) dependant.
I ordered mine on launch and got it the 24th, then ordered the wife's the following Sunday and got it Tuesday.
I guess if you order the cheapest most-popular model (like michaeloftroy), there will be a wait.
Meanwhile, back to topic:
The update works great! Resolves an issue with Hey Siri that I had.
The watch doesn't turn on as much when I am eating.
Here's hoping the battery life stays at about 50% use for a whole day...
Fast. I like it. Android would have given up and released device 1.0.1
Downloading...
You're correct on the first part...most devoces that measure your HR on the wrist have that problem. My issue is that Apple never mentioned that in all their advertising. They made it seem as though they had fixed that issue. They now how a support page admiring it may not be accurate for non-rythmic activities. That's putting it mildly. I generally when my HR would be 160BPM it was saying around 100BPM.
As to your second part, strength training burns more calories per minute than cardio and continues to burn calories after you're done working out due to increased muscle mass. A 30 minute strength training workout usually burns around 400 calories. That's even taking a minute or two rest between sets.
oh! you mean because you didn't get one. ok. yeah not the same at all.
You're correct on the first part...most devoces that measure your HR on the wrist have that problem. My issue is that Apple never mentioned that in all their advertising. They made it seem as though they had fixed that issue. They now how a support page admiring it may not be accurate for non-rythmic activities. That's putting it mildly. I generally when my HR would be 160BPM it was saying around 100BPM.
As to your second part, strength training burns more calories per minute than cardio and continues to burn calories after you're done working out due to increased muscle mass. A 30 minute strength training workout usually burns around 400 calories. That's even taking a minute or two rest between sets.
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204666
"For best results, start with a good fit.
Even under ideal conditions, Apple Watch may not be able to get a reliable heart rate reading every time for everybody. And for a small percentage of users, various factors may make it impossible to get any heart rate reading at all. But there are things you can do to help Apple Watch get the most consistent and best heart rate readings possible."
"What else affects your reading?
Many factors can affect the performance of the Apple Watch heart rate sensor. Skin perfusion is one. A fancy way of describing how much blood flows through your skin, skin perfusion varies significantly from person to person and can also be impacted by the environment. If you’re exercising in the cold, for example, the skin perfusion in your wrist may be too low for the heart rate sensor to get a reading.
Motion is another factor that can affect the heart rate sensor. Rhythmic movements, such as running or cycling, give better results compared to irregular movements, like tennis or boxing.
Permanent or temporary changes to your skin, such as some tattoos, can also impact heart rate sensor performance. The ink, pattern, and saturation of some tattoos can block light from the sensor, making it difficult to get reliable readings.
If you’re not able to get a consistent reading because of any of these factors, you can connect your Apple Watch wirelessly to external heart rate monitors such as Bluetooth chest straps."
They had this up before the watch went on sale (except for the tattoos)
So yeah they tell you but you need to look for it
On your iPhone: Apple watch app -> Workout -> enable power save mode. Says it works for walking/ running, but might work on other workouts too. You could also use a third party Bluetooth chest strap.
Weight training is a non-aerobic activity. It therefore does not burn many calories nor lend itself to heart rate training. That's a biological fact; not an "issue" that a tech company can fix.
Both of you complained when little things don't make you happy. Let me see: 55 and 77 posts in 3 years in AI? I see the picture here.
I mostly lurk, and many times people make a point better than I think I can, so I don't add to the discussion. I don't think that makes a few and far between contribution somehow less meaningful.
The estimated ship dates are provided to the customer even before (s)he presses the "buy" button. That is the only "expectation" that Apple set. Have they missed that estimate for you?
To your point, Apple originally told me June, and has moved the window up to end of May. So yes, I agree that they are so far not failing to meet that estimate. But that is not the only expectation that they set.
I suppose I find the description of "pre-order" really inaccurate when numerous models of Apple Watch were not delivered or shipped on the first day or week of the implied normal availability window. Did Apple not suspect they would sell any Modern Buckles, Leather Loops, or Link Bracelets? It feels a bit misleading. Their actions are as if they had literally zero of those models available to deliver on that first non-pre-order day one.
What does that say to people who were up at midnight, or 3am, to order? You only saw those estimated timeframes once the online store refreshed then.