Edward Snowden hails Apple as 'pioneering' for iOS 8 security measures

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  • Reply 41 of 125
    diegogdiegog Posts: 135member

    Not spy. Not hero.  Not traitor, however definitely a criminal. 

     

    and that bust was removed shortly after it was illegally put there by activists.

     

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    nope. not a spy. not a traitor. hero, deserves a statue. oh wait, he got one:



    https://www.google.com/search?q=snowden+statue&es_sm=122&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=MPNxVZGeHpOxyQT1yINg&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAw&biw=1340&bih=878



    ...the only traitors are those who conceived of, authorized, and implemented the blanket spying on american citizens not accused of any crime. i hope theyre brought to justice.

  • Reply 42 of 125
    jungmarkjungmark Posts: 6,926member
    pnosko wrote: »
    When the government classifies data about their illegal and unconstitutional activity, We The People cannot allow the whistleblower to be treated like a criminal. Find me the language in our constitution that supports having secret laws and secret courts to uphold those laws. Our founders are turning over in their graves.

    SCOTUS decides what's constitutional and unconstitutional. Not some mid-level analyst.
  • Reply 43 of 125
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    Originally Posted by CTI1610 View Post



    Praise from a man who sold out the United States is not exactly a feather in Apple's corporate cap.

    No, it was politicians and bureaucrats who sold us out.  Instead of defending the constitution, they engaged in illegal spying on U.S. citizens and then lied to our faces and said they weren't.

     

    Snowden is a hero in my book.

  • Reply 44 of 125
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
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    Originally Posted by scottjd View Post



    I have an idea, instead of FBI and NSA worrying about collecting data on law-abiding citizens. Maybe they should spend these funds on collecting data that is accessing federal networks and catching people stealing our information.

    These Chinese hackers are bad news. It would be nice if we could block them, but I think that is impossible at this point. The internet is just so wide open.  I don't know why everything is on the Internet anyway. Shouldn't the government only allow VPNs to sensitive data like top security personnel's private info?

  • Reply 45 of 125
    It's not just the US government spying on American citizens. All governments are spying on American citizens. All countries have mathematicians and those mathematicians know that the American NSA is requiring weak security standards for all Americans. So they wonder "why". Then it dawns on them the the NSA must be spying on their own citizens and decide to also spy on American citizens because they know that we here in America have very weak security. So weak that it's possible to break into thousands of computers a second. Foreign governments or terrorists like Al Qaeda, Russia, North Korea and China use American's credit cards to fund their war against us. America is not strong. It is weak and easy to break into and steal anything or control anything any hacker wants. Go figure.
  • Reply 46 of 125
    waterrocketswaterrockets Posts: 1,231member
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    Originally Posted by NolaMacGuy View Post





    nope. not a spy. not a traitor. hero, deserves a statue. oh wait, he got one:



    https://www.google.com/search?q=snowden+statue&es_sm=122&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=MPNxVZGeHpOxyQT1yINg&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAw&biw=1340&bih=878



    ...the only traitors are those who conceived of, authorized, and implemented the blanket spying on american citizens not accused of any crime. i hope theyre brought to justice.

     

    He's a traitor. He exposed classified information. End of discussion. Are there other traitors? Sure. He's one of them though.

  • Reply 47 of 125
    osx-frogosx-frog Posts: 4member

     For a non US citizen your comment arises even more fear than Snowden's revelations. Your comment tells us that we who are not US citizens just have to accept any stupid regulation related to the security of the United States of America as universal law. Beside that US foreign policy in it self creates and support extreme political moment like arming the ISIS to weaken democratically elected governments like the Syrian (I give the Syrian more legality because of the numbers that actually cast their vote in comparison to latest US elections!) Don't tell me about propaganda - does the US have any nationwide alternative news channel that is mainstream?

     

    As Snowden showed the world that even their presidents and other influential political personalities are the object of US SPY agencies I have to ask myself - how dumb and blindfolded has the American public become?

     

    Fortunately Your extreme visions are not shared by the majority on this forum.

     

    The majority of all us here; independent of our nationality; defends the right to every persons right of privacy! For sure You do not want Your wife or children's phone to be subject of the surveillance of the NSA even if they have nothing to hide!

     

    So where is Apple going wrong in strengthening democracy for everyone!

  • Reply 48 of 125
    jbdragonjbdragon Posts: 2,311member
    lkrupp wrote: »
    How much additional revenue will Apple rake in if organized crime, child molesters, pedophiles, Mexican drug cartels, Russian and Chinese spies, white collar corporate VIP criminals all switch to iOS to protect their ‘privacy’ rights? Could be billions. Is Hillary’s iPhone on iOS 8 yet? How about Jeb’s? 

    Ya, let's ask just give up our rights and hand over our devices for anyone to have free access to just for the mythical child molester, which what possible info of his crime is on a phone?. His confession? Let alone crime lords. You know what, nothing is worth giving up my right to privacy for the off chance a few of any rare chance of ever finding anything useful on a phone.

    How you you be for the government just going into your house for no reason at all, just to check you're not raping a child or doing anything criminal?. I mean you never know. Better to be safe then sorry. What do you need a silly warrant for. Time may matter. Probable cause is really simple, you look guilty!

    How many rights are you willing to freely just give up until it's something that matters to you and by then it's to late!!!
  • Reply 49 of 125
    jbdragonjbdragon Posts: 2,311member
    cti1610 wrote: »
    Praise from a man who sold out the United States is not exactly a feather in Apple's corporate cap. Thanks, Apple, for making sure every religious extremist who wants to discuss murdering and maiming innocent people can do so freely. Nice job.

    The U.S. Government sold out the U.S. government and the people of this country doing a comely unconditional thing and that's spying on all U.S. Citizens of this country with zero warrant or probable cause.
  • Reply 50 of 125
    osx-frogosx-frog Posts: 4member
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    Originally Posted by jungmark View Post





    Leaking classified info is a crime. He's a traitor.



    If there's a statue, knock it down.



    Sending DRONES to kill innocent people is also a crime; is the national community then obliged to put Bush and Obama in front of the International War Tribunal in Hague - a tribunal who's rules the US does not agree to comply to for what ever reason the rest of the world don't know. The US is the first to demand that other nations leaders appear in this court to account for their actions as leaders of nations....???

  • Reply 51 of 125
    jbdragonjbdragon Posts: 2,311member
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    That's a bunch of bull crap. The FBI has thwarted numerous potential terrorist threats. We're never told how they became aware of them.

    It sure isn't spying on every single American. If it was, I still would be against it. I'm not going to just hand over my freedoms freely in the name of a little better Safety. How much freedom are you willing to give up All in the name of protecting the children and terrorists? As the government grows and becomes ever more power hungry and takes more of your rights away until it's something you care about and by then it's to late to stop anything. You may not think it's a big deal, but I do!!! Go get a warrant for that person to do your thing under the constitution of this country. Mass spying of the people of this county is something the Nazi's would have really love to have been doing or the U.S.S.R. To see the U.S. go this far is sickening to me and completely unconstitutional. How anyone can be for this is why this country is screwed up as much as it is.
  • Reply 52 of 125
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
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    Originally Posted by JBDragon View Post





    ...and completely unconstitutional. 

    Which part of the United States Constitution are you referring to?

  • Reply 53 of 125
    pnoskopnosko Posts: 8member

    The constitution defines the powers given to the federal government. The SCOTUS is part of the federal government. Self-regulation often fails. They only get to decide constitutionality until they get it wrong too many times. They got it wrong this time. If this trend continues, the fix will be a revolution that is made possible via the 2nd Amendment, our Bill of Rights.

  • Reply 54 of 125
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    Originally Posted by jungmark View Post

    …treason charges.



    Originally Posted by jungmark View Post

    …traitor.



    Originally Posted by waterrockets View Post

    He's a traitor.


     

    Seems like you need a crash course on treason.

     

    Treason in the US is ONLY defined as giving aid and comfort to the enemy. Who’s the enemy? Well, it’s not defined as only being during wartime (which is the only time there’d be an ‘enemy’), but let’s assume that it counts for ‘any’ time.

     

    He didn’t do that. Neither aid nor comfort was given.

     

    Thus, no treason.

     

    There are many, MANY things done today for which people in the US federal government should be executed. But they can’t be, because it isn’t “treason”, per se.

     

    Originally Posted by mstone View Post

    Which part of the United States Constitution are you referring to?

     

    Amendments #4 and #9.

  • Reply 55 of 125
    waterrocketswaterrockets Posts: 1,231member
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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

     

     

    Seems like you need a crash course on treason.

     

    Treason in the US is ONLY defined as giving aid and comfort to the enemy. Who’s the enemy? Well, it’s not defined as only being during wartime (which is the only time there’d be an ‘enemy’), but let’s assume that it counts for ‘any’ time.

     

    He didn’t do that. Neither aid nor comfort was given.


     

    You don't see how our enemies are comforted and aided by the secrets that Snowden disclosed?

  • Reply 56 of 125
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
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    Originally Posted by jungmark View Post



    Regardless, he's still a spy and should face treason charges.



    As Rand Paul said, he probably should see some jail time (to be determined), however he should share a cell with James Clapper, head of the FBI, for blatantly lying to Congress. Clapper committed perjury with his testimony, while Snowden exposed unconstitutional spying and data collection by the NSA.

  • Reply 57 of 125
    jungmarkjungmark Posts: 6,926member
    Seems like you need a crash course on treason.

    Treason in the US is ONLY defined as giving aid and comfort to the enemy. Who’s the enemy? Well, it’s not defined as only being during wartime (which is the only time there’d be an ‘enemy’), but let’s assume that it counts for ‘any’ time.

    He didn’t do that. Neither aid nor comfort was given.

    Thus, no treason.

    There are many, MANY things done today for which people in the US federal government should be executed. But they can’t be, because it isn’t “treason”, per se.

    Terrorists are the enemy. You don't think the info aids then? He may not have hand delivered the info to them but he made then widely available.

    The soviets were our enemy but we weren't at war. The Nazis were our enemy prior to Pearl Harbor but we weren't at war.
  • Reply 58 of 125
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member

    Amendments #4 and #9.

    While I agree with the recent decision with the freedom act of not allowing bulk telephone records to be recorded, I don't really think that the fourth amendment search and seizure applies. The ninth amendment obviously needs Supreme Court interpretation because it's so vague.

    With the fourth amendment They are not really searching inside your home, they are searching out on the Internet which is public domain. I's similar to the laws that say in cities where the police are not allowed to search the trashcan out on the sidewalk that belongs to you but as soon as the trash goes into the trash truck they're free to search through it which may not be incriminating evidence but it would be enough to get a warrant if they found something suspicious.

    Dictated on my iPad so forgive any mistakes.
  • Reply 59 of 125
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    Originally Posted by waterrockets View Post

    You don't see how our enemies are comforted and aided by the secrets that Snowden disclosed?





    Originally Posted by jungmark View Post

    Terrorists are the enemy. You don't think the info aids then?


     


    Could’ve sworn he didn’t disclose anything to them… He didn’t give them the data the NSA had been collecting, after all.

     

    Originally Posted by mstone View Post

    I don’t really think that the fourth amendment search and seizure applies. With the fourth amendment They are not really searching inside your home, they are searching out on the Internet which is public domain.

     

    I’m almost 100% sure that’s not how public domain works. Otherwise there are a fair few people who were arrested or fined for copyright “infringement” (really: infringement) who require apologies.

  • Reply 60 of 125
    waterrocketswaterrockets Posts: 1,231member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

     
     

    Could’ve sworn he didn’t disclose anything to them… He didn’t give them the data the NSA had been collecting, after all.

     


     

    He didn't have to disclose data to commit his treason against the US. The existence of the programs, processes, targets, equipment, etc., were and mostly still are classified. I haven't even read any of the direct reports on them, as I don't have a need to know.

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