Edward Snowden hails Apple as 'pioneering' for iOS 8 security measures

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  • Reply 101 of 125
    jungmarkjungmark Posts: 6,926member
    crowley wrote: »
    Edward Snowden didn't steal anything.  He leaked it.  Leaking information is disobedience.

    How'd he get that info? He stole it.
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    Good luck with the 'clarification'. The ones that could clarify it are dead.

    That's what SCOTUS is for along with the amendment process.
  • Reply 102 of 125
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jungmark View Post





    How'd he get that info? He stole it.

     

    Hardly.  He was given access to it, and it's still there.

  • Reply 103 of 125
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post





    Good luck with the 'clarification'. The ones that could clarify it are dead.



    The constitution is clarified all the time as a process of constitutional law, challenge and voting in the supreme court.  But it never leads to any changes or clarifications in the wording of the actual constitution, just a backlog of precedent that is nigh on impossible for a layman to interpret.  That could use a tidy up and reconciliation.

  • Reply 104 of 125
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    crowley wrote: »
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    Good luck with the 'clarification'. The ones that could clarify it are dead.


    The constitution is clarified all the time as a process of constitutional law, challenge and voting in the supreme court.  But it never leads to any changes or clarifications in the wording of the actual constitution, just a backlog of precedent that is nigh on impossible for a layman to interpret.  That could use a tidy up and reconciliation.

    Those 'clarifications' are often what the majority believe it means.
  • Reply 105 of 125
    jungmarkjungmark Posts: 6,926member
    crowley wrote: »
    Hardly.  He was given access to it, and it's still there.

    So he just emailed the files from his work account?

    Then why is anyone worried about data breaches at Target, IRS, etc. The data is still on the servers. Nothing was stolen then.
  • Reply 106 of 125
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    Those 'clarifications' are often what the majority believe it means.

    You are dreadfully uninformed about both the Constitution and the amendment process:

    http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/constitution/
  • Reply 107 of 125
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    Originally Posted by waterrockets View Post

    Snowden's disclosures, include non-domestic CIA and NSA classified information, about programs that have nothing to do with US citizens other than to protect them.


     

    Unless he gave up the names and aliases of embedded agents, spoke to troop movements, or released anything of that sort, it’s still not treason.

     

    Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post

    The Constitution is old. Everyone that wrote it is dead. Has no bearing in today's world.

     

    Honestly, screw you. You always do nothing but toe the line between trolling and having a differing opinion”, but this is just too blatantly obvious to ignore. Either you’re just trolling, in which case knock it off, or you actually believe this, in which case never vote again.

  • Reply 108 of 125
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    <span style="line-height:1.4em;">Honestly, screw you. You always do nothing but toe the line between trolling and having a </span>
    “<span style="line-height:1.4em;">differing opinion</span>
    ”, but this is just too blatantly obvious to ignore. Either you’re just trolling, in which case knock it off, or you actually believe this, in which case never vote again.

    First off, how are you? You haven't been on much. Secondly, I was being facetious. Apologies if it went over everyone's head.
  • Reply 109 of 125
    waterrocketswaterrockets Posts: 1,231member
    Unless he gave up the names and aliases of embedded agents, spoke to troop movements, or released anything of that sort, it’s still not treason.

    The majority of the classified disclosures were related to our military capabilities, operations, tactics, techniques and procedures.
  • Reply 110 of 125
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
    The majority of the classified disclosures were related to our military capabilities, operations, tactics, techniques and procedures.

    All of the ones detailing rampant spying that was either unconstitutional or undermining the U.S. as a leader and promoter of liberty and freedom. The U.S. has become the Galactic Empire because of fear.
  • Reply 111 of 125
    waterrocketswaterrockets Posts: 1,231member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post





    All of the ones detailing rampant spying that was either unconstitutional or undermining the U.S. as a leader and promoter of liberty and freedom. The U.S. has become the Galactic Empire because of fear.

     

    I don't disagree with that one bit.

     

    I don't understand why nobody will agree that giving pages out of our battle playbook to our enemies harms us. Those disclosures have nothing to do with constitutional transgressions.

     

    Snowden would have a lot better of a chance being a hero if he'd only disclosed the constitutional transgressions. Instead, he continues to release documents that could send some of our men and women home in a box.

  • Reply 112 of 125
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
    I don't disagree with that one bit.

    I don't understand why nobody will agree that giving pages out of our battle playbook to our enemies harms us. Those disclosures have nothing to do with constitutional transgressions.

    Snowden would have a lot better of a chance being a hero if he'd only disclosed the constitutional transgressions. Instead, he continues to release documents that could send some of our men and women home in a box.

    Are you unaware of his many, many interviews in which he eloquently states just what you've asked for?
  • Reply 113 of 125
    waterrocketswaterrockets Posts: 1,231member

    I which he admits he disclosed material unrelated to the domestic programs that harms the US, and should be tried for treason?

  • Reply 114 of 125
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
    I which he admits he disclosed material unrelated to the domestic programs that harms the US, and should be tried for treason?

    You're really reaching.
  • Reply 115 of 125
    waterrocketswaterrockets Posts: 1,231member
    Quote:

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    You're really reaching.

     

    Are you claiming that he did not disclose classified military capabilities, operations, tactics, techniques and procedures?

     

    Or are you claiming that doing so is not treason?

  • Reply 116 of 125
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
    Are you claiming that he did not disclose classified military capabilities, operations, tactics, techniques and procedures?

    Or are you claiming that doing so is not treason?

    Are you a lawyer? Because "treason" has a very specific legal definition.
  • Reply 117 of 125
    waterrocketswaterrockets Posts: 1,231member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post





    Are you a lawyer? Because "treason" has a very specific legal definition.

     

    Then that would come out in a trial, and I may well be incorrect. It hinges on "aid and comfort." I do think there should be a trial.

  • Reply 118 of 125
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
    Then that would come out in a trial, and I may well be incorrect. It hinges on "aid and comfort." I do think there should be a trial.

    I believe the only way Snowden would return to the U.S. would be under a negotiated surrender to a Rand Paul administration. Snowden would certainly still have to face charges, but I believe he'd receive leniency or an eventual pardon.
  • Reply 119 of 125
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post

    First off, how are you?

     

    Not good; probably comes through. 

     

    You haven't been on much. Secondly, I was being facetious. Apologies if it went over everyone's head.


     

    Geez, man, you can’t do that. <img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" /> Ya gotta use a /s or ¡ There are people who believe that, you know.

  • Reply 120 of 125
    muppetrymuppetry Posts: 3,331member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post

     
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by waterrockets View Post



    Are you claiming that he did not disclose classified military capabilities, operations, tactics, techniques and procedures?



    Or are you claiming that doing so is not treason?




    Are you a lawyer? Because "treason" has a very specific legal definition.



    I have to ask why you dodged that question, because this is the crux of the matter for many people who, while they may have misgivings about some of the NSA activities that he shed light on, regard his wholesale release of unrelated classified matter as a serious crime.

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