Edward Snowden hails Apple as 'pioneering' for iOS 8 security measures

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  • Reply 81 of 125
    jungmarkjungmark Posts: 6,926member
    haar wrote: »
    ...comfortable in your padded cell?...
    I will be as soon as the traitor is brought to justice
  • Reply 82 of 125
    xixoxixo Posts: 449member
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    I will be as soon as the traitor is brought to justice

     

  • Reply 83 of 125
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
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    Leaking classified info is a crime. He's a traitor.

     

    Other people have been decried as traitors for their stance against the rancid actions and policies of their governments.  Later they are called heroes, freedom fighters, and patriots.

  • Reply 84 of 125
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
    crowley wrote: »

    The modern interpretation of Franklin's quotation is correct, as Franklin had made similar statements over the years many times. He was in favor of a strong defense AND for the restraint on power in the Federal government.
  • Reply 85 of 125
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    crowley wrote: »

    The modern interpretation of Franklin's quotation is correct, as Franklin had made similar statements over the years many times. He was in favor of a strong defense AND for the restraint on power in the Federal government.

    He's dead. Quotation means nothing since he no longer runs the country.
  • Reply 86 of 125
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    Quote:

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    The modern interpretation of Franklin's quotation is correct, as Franklin had made similar statements over the years many times. He was in favor of a strong defense AND for the restraint on power in the Federal government.



    Whoopdy-do.  Snappy quotes don't make good policy.

  • Reply 87 of 125
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    He's dead. Quotation means nothing since he no longer runs the country.

    The Constitution "runs" the Republic. What the founders forgot to do was create a U.S. Constitution Police whose sole duty would be the enforcement of constitutional law and have the power to arrest the President or even members of Congress for violations. As it is now, those violations go unchecked and unpunished.
  • Reply 88 of 125
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    He's dead. Quotation means nothing since he no longer runs the country.

    The Constitution "runs" the Republic. What the founders forgot to do was create a U.S. Constitution Police whose sole duty would be the enforcement of constitutional law and have the power to arrest the President or even members of Congress for violations. As it is now, those violations go unchecked and unpunished.

    The Constitution is old. Everyone that wrote it is dead. Has no bearing in today's world.
  • Reply 89 of 125
    jungmarkjungmark Posts: 6,926member
    crowley wrote: »
    Other people have been decried as traitors for their stance against the rancid actions and policies of their governments.  Later they are called heroes, freedom fighters, and patriots.

    There's a difference between protesting a govt's actions and willfully stealing classified information and disseminating it to others.
    The Constitution "runs" the Republic. What the founders forgot to do was create a U.S. Constitution Police whose sole duty would be the enforcement of constitutional law and have the power to arrest the President or even members of Congress for violations. As it is now, those violations go unchecked and unpunished.

    They make laws and SCOTUS decides what's constitutional or not. There's your checks and balances.
  • Reply 90 of 125
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
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    There's a difference between protesting a govt's actions and willfully stealing classified information and disseminating it to others.

    They make laws and SCOTUS decides what's constitutional or not. There's your checks and balances.

     

    Except the SCOTUS only takes on cases presented to them and a person has to prove harm. How can a person prove harm when a president or Congress is openly violating the Constitution and direct harm is difficult or impossible to prove?

  • Reply 91 of 125
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
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    The Constitution is old. Everyone that wrote it is dead. Has no bearing in today's world.



    So case law is irrelevant? What an absurd argument. Do you prefer anarchy over constitutional law and a Bill of Rights or just the whim and will of the most powerful against the rest of the country?

  • Reply 92 of 125
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    The Constitution is old. Everyone that wrote it is dead. Has no bearing in today's world.


    So case law is irrelevant? What an absurd argument. Do you prefer anarchy over constitutional law and a Bill of Rights or just the whim and will of the most powerful against the rest of the country?

    Old and ineffective. Need to find a new way of doing things.
  • Reply 93 of 125
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
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    Old and ineffective. Need to find a new way of doing things.



    LOL!... How about you spell out your suggestions?

  • Reply 94 of 125
    badmonkbadmonk Posts: 1,319member
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    That's a bunch of bull crap. The FBI has thwarted numerous potential terrorist threats. We're never told how they became aware of them.

    they thwarted only the ones they aided and abetted...
  • Reply 95 of 125
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
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    There's a difference between protesting a govt's actions and willfully stealing classified information and disseminating it to others.

     

    Really?  Given that the classified information is proof of the government's actions that are protest-worthy, what is the difference?  Civil disobedience to effect change is a long standing tradition.

  • Reply 96 of 125
    jungmarkjungmark Posts: 6,926member
    crowley wrote: »
    Really?  Given that the classified information is proof of the government's actions that are protest-worthy, what is the difference?  Civil disobedience to effect change is a long standing tradition.

    Stealing isn't civil disobedience. If I rob a bank because they made bad loans which cost me my retirement, it's still a felony.
  • Reply 97 of 125
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member

    Edward Snowden didn't steal anything.  He leaked it.  Leaking information is disobedience.

  • Reply 98 of 125
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    Old and ineffective. Need to find a new way of doing things.


    LOL!... How about you spell out your suggestions?

    Why should I? I'm just like everyone else on here that critical of things but never have a suggestion for change.
  • Reply 99 of 125
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member

    ^ Certain bits of it could certainly use a rewrite and/or a clarification.

  • Reply 100 of 125
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    crowley wrote: »
    ^ Certain bits of it could certainly use a rewrite and/or a clarification.

    Good luck with the 'clarification'. The ones that could clarify it are dead.
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