Aside from not compensating employees for their time involved in the searches, Apple has every right to do this. It's a requirement of the job. You don't like it? Go work somewhere else.
But I would like to know what "right" you claim Apple is violating. Could you point me to where in the constitution it backs up your claim this is a violation of the employees rights? I'll wait as long as it takes.
You're a garden variety troll with no respect for anybody, not even for yourself. You are commonly known as a nasty, arrogant, out of control ego maniac. Common courtesy and respect are not traits and characteristics incorporated by you into your dealings with other people. You're just another keyboard internet tough guy who wouldn't have the guts to speak to other people like he does if he had to face them and be accountable.
By the way, you did read the comment, understand it and then reply. It got under your skin because it touched a raw exposed nerve. Now the "case is closed".
Company has no right to root through your personal belongings without due cause. And if they're going to make it a requirement of employment then they should pay for the time as part of your employed time - Supreme Court can do one; bad decision.
Disappointing that Apple is doing this and not compensating employees. They may not have to under the law, but they still should.
The 2nd most profitable company in the world is unlikely to pay for labor unnecessarily.
Aside from not compensating employees for their time involved in the searches, Apple has every right to do this. It's a requirement of the job. You don't like it? Go work somewhere else.
But I would like to know what "right" you claim Apple is violating. Could you point me to where in the constitution it backs up your claim this is a violation of the employees rights? I'll wait as long as it takes.
We have plenty of laws that have been implemented to protect the rights of employees that have nothing to do with the Constitution. Minimum wages, maximum hours, freedom from abuse, etc., all have nothing to do with the Constitution.
Having said that, it is true that the Supreme Court has ruled that Apple does not have to compensate employees for their time during the bag check. That makes it legal, but it doesn't make it right.
I don't accept this "go work somewhere else" attitude. You can use that to rationalize any kind of bad employer behavior. It reminds me of the signs that were posted in sweatshops a hundred years ago: "If you don't come in Sunday, don't come in Monday." I really wonder if this had been Samsung and not Apple, whether so many people would be so quick to jump to the company's defense.
As I've posted before, it's either my time or the company's time. If the company is controlling my actions, it's the company's time. I charge my clients from the minute I walk into their building to the moment I walk out. I also think that people here are quick to defend Apple because this bag check policy affects women far more than it affects men.
The 2nd most profitable company in the world is unlikely to pay for labor unnecessarily.
By that logic, Apple could and should pay minimum wage, but they pay somewhat higher than minimum wage. Sometimes the best path for a company is to do things right. Furthermore, Apple consistently does things in the retail environments where they spend more money than they have to. There is no financial argument one could make to rationalize the glass staircases, glass cube entrances, etc. You can't tell me that more people buy Apple products because of those aspects of the store. Why is "the 2nd most profitable company" paying for design or fixtures unnecessarily?
The answer is branding. And branding applies as much as to how you treat your employees as it does to the store design.
So now it's not about a "right" as you originally said, but about what you think is right or wrong. Very different from where you started. I don't agree with the court and do believe Apple or any employer should absolutely be required to compensate employees for the time. You take time from them, you should pay them.
As to Apple's procedures, unless they are prohibited by law, the decision to do or not do this is up to them. I believe in appropriate regulation for businesses, but this is a free market issue and not a regulation issue. If Apples actions are unpalatable to enough people who work there, they will not work there and given the losses and their effect, Apple will have to change their policy. They have a right to run their business as they see fit so long as they do not violate laws and labor regulations. Outside of that, you don't get to tell them or any other business what they can and can't do. If employees find this so distasteful, they need to organize, get representation and collectively bargain to gain work rules they find preferable to the ones that now govern them.
So now it's not about a "right" as you originally said, but about what you think is right or wrong. Very different from where you started. I don't agree with the court and do believe Apple or any employer should absolutely be required to compensate employees for the time. You take time from them, you should pay them.
As to Apple's procedures, unless they are prohibited by law, the decision to do or not do this is up to them. I believe in appropriate regulation for businesses, but this is a free market issue and not a regulation issue. If Apples actions are unpalatable to enough people who work there, they will not work there and given the losses and their effect, Apple will have to change their policy. They have a right to run their business as they see fit so long as they do not violate laws and labor regulations. Outside of that, you don't get to tell them or any other business what they can and can't do. If employees find this so distasteful, they need to organize, get representation and collectively bargain to gain work rules they find preferable to the ones that now govern them.
I don't think I ever wrote that employees have a "right" to not have their bags inspected, but even if I did, there's a difference between a generic "right" and a legal or constitutional "Right".
Yes, based on the Supreme Court decision, the final decision is up to Apple, but that doesn't mean that people can't criticize what Apple decides. One can't tell Apple what to do, but one can praise or criticize Apple based on what they do. If one could only criticize Apple when they actually break the law, there'd hardly be any posts on this site at all.
Then we are pretty much in agreement because I unquestionably respect everybody's right to criticize the behavior of a company and especially one that assumes such a large role in our culture and portrays themselves as very socially conscious. In my view, I'm just dealing with what the real situation is and not you or I would like it to be.
We have plenty of laws that have been implemented to protect the rights of employees that have nothing to do with the Constitution. Minimum wages, maximum hours, freedom from abuse, etc., all have nothing to do with the Constitution.
Having said that, it is true that the Supreme Court has ruled that Apple does not have to compensate employees for their time during the bag check. That makes it legal, but it doesn't make it right.
I don't accept this "go work somewhere else" attitude. You can use that to rationalize any kind of bad employer behavior. It reminds me of the signs that were posted in sweatshops a hundred years ago: "If you don't come in Sunday, don't come in Monday." I really wonder if this had been Samsung and not Apple, whether so many people would be so quick to jump to the company's defense.
As I've posted before, it's either my time or the company's time. If the company is controlling my actions, it's the company's time. I charge my clients from the minute I walk into their building to the moment I walk out. I also think that people here are quick to defend Apple because this bag check policy affects women far more than it affects men.
The difference between you and an Apple employee is that you do not fall under the guidelines of FLSA. You work for yourself and thus you are not an employee of the clients that hires you. So if they want to hire you, they have to pay you according to your terms. You can charge them for a taxi and breakfast if you want. If they don't like it, you have the choice of telling them to hire someone else or you can decide not charge them for the taxi and breakfast, if you want to keep that client.
An Apple employee works for Apple and works for Apple on Apple's term. The relationship falls under the guidelines of the FLSA and FLSA protects both the employee and employer. If an Apple employee don't like Apple's terms, he/she has the same choices as you, he/she can quit and tell Apple to hire someone else or he/she can accept Apple terms and remain an Apple employee.
By that logic, Apple could and should pay minimum wage, but they pay somewhat higher than minimum wage.
No they should pay a wage that is profitable, balancing employee output and skill availability with pay. They don't pay a random Store door greeter the same amount as the lead engineer responsible for TouchID because of these factors.
The frustrating thing is that the lead engineer responsible for TouchID probably spends much more "work time" browsing the web than the door greeter, and the door greeter is snagged with bag checks to boot. The thing is that it's much easier and cheaper to find and replace a "Genius" door greeter than a TouchID tech lead, so the tech lead gets the better work environment.
Follow me. The people commenting about the bag searches are ignoring the fact that they aren't paid for the time they are waiting to get their bags searched, which according to the complain was upwards of 10-15 minutes. The complain't wasn't about the search, but rather, the fact that at the time they were being searched, they weren't being paid.
I wonder how many people commenting here are fine working for free.
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Aside from not compensating employees for their time involved in the searches, Apple has every right to do this. It's a requirement of the job. You don't like it? Go work somewhere else.
But I would like to know what "right" you claim Apple is violating. Could you point me to where in the constitution it backs up your claim this is a violation of the employees rights? I'll wait as long as it takes.
You're a garden variety troll with no respect for anybody, not even for yourself. You are commonly known as a nasty, arrogant, out of control ego maniac. Common courtesy and respect are not traits and characteristics incorporated by you into your dealings with other people. You're just another keyboard internet tough guy who wouldn't have the guts to speak to other people like he does if he had to face them and be accountable.
By the way, you did read the comment, understand it and then reply. It got under your skin because it touched a raw exposed nerve. Now the "case is closed".
Company has no right to root through your personal belongings without due cause. And if they're going to make it a requirement of employment then they should pay for the time as part of your employed time - Supreme Court can do one; bad decision.
Disappointing that Apple is doing this and not compensating employees. They may not have to under the law, but they still should.
The 2nd most profitable company in the world is unlikely to pay for labor unnecessarily.
Aside from not compensating employees for their time involved in the searches, Apple has every right to do this. It's a requirement of the job. You don't like it? Go work somewhere else.
But I would like to know what "right" you claim Apple is violating. Could you point me to where in the constitution it backs up your claim this is a violation of the employees rights? I'll wait as long as it takes.
We have plenty of laws that have been implemented to protect the rights of employees that have nothing to do with the Constitution. Minimum wages, maximum hours, freedom from abuse, etc., all have nothing to do with the Constitution.
Having said that, it is true that the Supreme Court has ruled that Apple does not have to compensate employees for their time during the bag check. That makes it legal, but it doesn't make it right.
I don't accept this "go work somewhere else" attitude. You can use that to rationalize any kind of bad employer behavior. It reminds me of the signs that were posted in sweatshops a hundred years ago: "If you don't come in Sunday, don't come in Monday." I really wonder if this had been Samsung and not Apple, whether so many people would be so quick to jump to the company's defense.
As I've posted before, it's either my time or the company's time. If the company is controlling my actions, it's the company's time. I charge my clients from the minute I walk into their building to the moment I walk out. I also think that people here are quick to defend Apple because this bag check policy affects women far more than it affects men.
The 2nd most profitable company in the world is unlikely to pay for labor unnecessarily.
By that logic, Apple could and should pay minimum wage, but they pay somewhat higher than minimum wage. Sometimes the best path for a company is to do things right. Furthermore, Apple consistently does things in the retail environments where they spend more money than they have to. There is no financial argument one could make to rationalize the glass staircases, glass cube entrances, etc. You can't tell me that more people buy Apple products because of those aspects of the store. Why is "the 2nd most profitable company" paying for design or fixtures unnecessarily?
The answer is branding. And branding applies as much as to how you treat your employees as it does to the store design.
So now it's not about a "right" as you originally said, but about what you think is right or wrong. Very different from where you started. I don't agree with the court and do believe Apple or any employer should absolutely be required to compensate employees for the time. You take time from them, you should pay them.
As to Apple's procedures, unless they are prohibited by law, the decision to do or not do this is up to them. I believe in appropriate regulation for businesses, but this is a free market issue and not a regulation issue. If Apples actions are unpalatable to enough people who work there, they will not work there and given the losses and their effect, Apple will have to change their policy. They have a right to run their business as they see fit so long as they do not violate laws and labor regulations. Outside of that, you don't get to tell them or any other business what they can and can't do. If employees find this so distasteful, they need to organize, get representation and collectively bargain to gain work rules they find preferable to the ones that now govern them.
So now it's not about a "right" as you originally said, but about what you think is right or wrong. Very different from where you started. I don't agree with the court and do believe Apple or any employer should absolutely be required to compensate employees for the time. You take time from them, you should pay them.
As to Apple's procedures, unless they are prohibited by law, the decision to do or not do this is up to them. I believe in appropriate regulation for businesses, but this is a free market issue and not a regulation issue. If Apples actions are unpalatable to enough people who work there, they will not work there and given the losses and their effect, Apple will have to change their policy. They have a right to run their business as they see fit so long as they do not violate laws and labor regulations. Outside of that, you don't get to tell them or any other business what they can and can't do. If employees find this so distasteful, they need to organize, get representation and collectively bargain to gain work rules they find preferable to the ones that now govern them.
I don't think I ever wrote that employees have a "right" to not have their bags inspected, but even if I did, there's a difference between a generic "right" and a legal or constitutional "Right".
Yes, based on the Supreme Court decision, the final decision is up to Apple, but that doesn't mean that people can't criticize what Apple decides. One can't tell Apple what to do, but one can praise or criticize Apple based on what they do. If one could only criticize Apple when they actually break the law, there'd hardly be any posts on this site at all.
Then we are pretty much in agreement because I unquestionably respect everybody's right to criticize the behavior of a company and especially one that assumes such a large role in our culture and portrays themselves as very socially conscious. In my view, I'm just dealing with what the real situation is and not you or I would like it to be.
We have plenty of laws that have been implemented to protect the rights of employees that have nothing to do with the Constitution. Minimum wages, maximum hours, freedom from abuse, etc., all have nothing to do with the Constitution.
Having said that, it is true that the Supreme Court has ruled that Apple does not have to compensate employees for their time during the bag check. That makes it legal, but it doesn't make it right.
I don't accept this "go work somewhere else" attitude. You can use that to rationalize any kind of bad employer behavior. It reminds me of the signs that were posted in sweatshops a hundred years ago: "If you don't come in Sunday, don't come in Monday." I really wonder if this had been Samsung and not Apple, whether so many people would be so quick to jump to the company's defense.
As I've posted before, it's either my time or the company's time. If the company is controlling my actions, it's the company's time. I charge my clients from the minute I walk into their building to the moment I walk out. I also think that people here are quick to defend Apple because this bag check policy affects women far more than it affects men.
The difference between you and an Apple employee is that you do not fall under the guidelines of FLSA. You work for yourself and thus you are not an employee of the clients that hires you. So if they want to hire you, they have to pay you according to your terms. You can charge them for a taxi and breakfast if you want. If they don't like it, you have the choice of telling them to hire someone else or you can decide not charge them for the taxi and breakfast, if you want to keep that client.
An Apple employee works for Apple and works for Apple on Apple's term. The relationship falls under the guidelines of the FLSA and FLSA protects both the employee and employer. If an Apple employee don't like Apple's terms, he/she has the same choices as you, he/she can quit and tell Apple to hire someone else or he/she can accept Apple terms and remain an Apple employee.
By that logic, Apple could and should pay minimum wage, but they pay somewhat higher than minimum wage.
No they should pay a wage that is profitable, balancing employee output and skill availability with pay. They don't pay a random Store door greeter the same amount as the lead engineer responsible for TouchID because of these factors.
The frustrating thing is that the lead engineer responsible for TouchID probably spends much more "work time" browsing the web than the door greeter, and the door greeter is snagged with bag checks to boot. The thing is that it's much easier and cheaper to find and replace a "Genius" door greeter than a TouchID tech lead, so the tech lead gets the better work environment.
This is the problem with being a moderate though. I think socialism and capitalism both suck at the extremes.
Follow me. The people commenting about the bag searches are ignoring the fact that they aren't paid for the time they are waiting to get their bags searched, which according to the complain was upwards of 10-15 minutes. The complain't wasn't about the search, but rather, the fact that at the time they were being searched, they weren't being paid.
I wonder how many people commenting here are fine working for free.