Well it's very successful. I think it will be a matter of time before it starts losing popularity. When people start realizing it doesn't do much they will stop using it.
A normal watch doesn't do much but people still use them.
It will be just like the iPad which started great and it took a few years for people to realize it's just a big iphone and that our iphone's can pretty much do the same exact thing.
Nope! The iPad is a unique device that has its own niche in the marketplace. IPad is orders of magnitude more useful than any other device for those niche uses.
For the past few years I've only been using a MacBook Air and iPhone and I pretty much get everything done.
Hell there was a time when I got everything done on a PC running NT with smart phones unheard of. The fact is I get different things done with my iPad. It is an ideal device for travel. A lot of that has to do with its size with the screen being big enough to be usefull.
"I think it will be a matter of time before it starts losing popularity. When people start realizing it doesn't do much they will stop using it."
I think it's very clear based on every reasonable metric that the Apple Watch is a robustly selling product that's destroying the competition and creating a new market.
Apple is only going to expand the capabilities and decrease the price of the watch in time, if the iPhone and iPad are any predictors.
It seems a more reasonable assumption that it gains popularity rather than losing it, so I disagree with your opinion and I don't see any facts to support this claimed lack of popularity for the Apple Watch.
What do you expect? It's the conservative wing of NBC Properties.
Conservative doesn't have to mean ignorance and frankly we see as much ignorance from the liberal media. The problem is the transparently biased reporting that seems to have as its agenda to damage Apple in anyway they can. Apple does bad things and frankly screws up from time to time, when it does the facts are good enough. Besides super woman Taylor Swift can set them straight.
What bothers me is trying to screw Apple over by ignoring the facts and painting a product like Apple Watch as a failure. That is not journalism, left or right, it is just mean spirited use of a public platform. The reality is we don't know what the Watch's long term potential for success is, however it is obvious that it is more successful than all of its competitors combined.
Frankly I see Watch on the same path as the first iPhone. That first iPhone was ground breaking and its long term success was locked to how well Apple nurtured it along in the first couple of years. Likewise Warch will be successful not because of what version one promises but because of what the follow on versions deliver in the way of hardware, software and services. Think about it, LTE and faster hardware have turned iPhones into real tools for a wide variety of users.
Lastly, the report seems to ignore another reality, almost everyone has a cell phones ne with them constantly. A far smaller percentage of people even bother to wear a watch these days. As such it is very unlikely that a watch would have similar sales numbers to an iPhone. At least with today's technologies and personal habits, Watch would have to be far more useful to gather interest from those that don't wear watches now.
So if you are a watch maker looking upon Apples new device would you be worried or consider it a failure? I suspect many are worried and frankly see the watch as a huge success for Apple. This is probably the only real benchmark to judge the Watch,s success against, has it created worry in the watch industry?
It's the FOX News of NBC.
I hear a lot about Fox News here in this forum, one of these days I will have to watch ???? the channel to see what is all about. That is harder to do than some might imaging as I gave up on cable a long time ago and the antenna only picks up a couple of stations. I don't expect it to be any worst or better than anything else I've seen of late. The day (if it ever existed) of truly unbiased reporting seems to be completely gone at this point. If one tunes in a network of any type expecting unbiased reporting there has to be a bit of gullibility in that person.
Anything you wear on the outside is very personal and while they did a fantastic job designing the watch to fit within many styles, I still haven't seen the combination I want offered. I will get a watch at some point in the near future, and it's sure to gift well during the holiday season. I'm just not in a rush for it. When I find the perfect straps for me, I'll get one. Maybe even if it's a gen 1.
"I think it will be a matter of time before it starts losing popularity. When people start realizing it doesn't do much they will stop using it."
I think it's very clear based on every reasonable metric that the Apple Watch is a robustly selling product that's destroying the competition and creating a new market.
I'm not sure about the destroying apart of your equation as the competition is the entire watch industry. However you can make a reasonable bet that every executive at every watch manufacture on the planet is keeping a very very close eye on Apples Watch roll out. A roll out it is too, as they have yet to reach full production capacity.
I don't see this as creating a new market, rather I see it as evolving a very old market. The evolution is adding features to a time keeping device.
Apple is only going to expand the capabilities and decrease the price of the watch in time, if the iPhone and iPad are any predictors.
Frankly Watch is a proof of concept machine just like the first iPhone and the first iPad. A better done proof of concept for sure , but if it sells well I suspect that Apple will throw a ton of engineering at the next rev to more fully realize their dream device. Make no mistake here, iPhone has benefitted from a huge amount of engineering investment in Apples part. The Watch, if successful, will gain much of the same engineering focus. A 14 nm SoC for example would be very interesting in Apples Watch.
It seems a more reasonable assumption that it gains popularity rather than losing it, so I disagree with your opinion and I don't see any facts to support this claimed lack of popularity for the Apple Watch.
So true. More importantly it's success should be judged against the whole watch industry not against the cell phone industry. To try to judge the watch against the cell phone business is just futile. It makes as much sense as trying to judge the iPhone against Mac sales or vis versa.
I'm not sure about the destroying apart of your equation as the competition is the entire watch industry. However you can make a reasonable bet that every executive at every watch manufacture on the planet is keeping a very very close eye on Apples Watch roll out. A roll out it is too, as they have yet to reach full production capacity.
I don't see this as creating a new market, rather I see it as evolving a very old market. The evolution is adding features to a time keeping device.
Frankly Watch is a proof of concept machine just like the first iPhone and the first iPad. A better done proof of concept for sure , but if it sells well I suspect that Apple will throw a ton of engineering at the next rev to more fully realize their dream device. Make no mistake here, iPhone has benefitted from a huge amount of engineering investment in Apples part. The Watch, if successful, will gain much of the same engineering focus. A 14 nm SoC for example would be very interesting in Apples Watch.
So true. More importantly it's success should be judged against the whole watch industry not against the cell phone industry. To try to judge the watch against the cell phone business is just futile. It makes as much sense as trying to judge the iPhone against Mac sales or vis versa.
There are actually engineering reasons for keeping the S1 at 28nm right now; not all of the components reduce appropriately past that. In the future I have no doubt it will be reduced but for the moment it's as good as can be done.
Not one, I'll bet. Likely couldn't afford one, I'll bet.
It is truly a marvel. A fabulously delicate, unobtrusive, classy, technologically advanced marvel.
Those comments may be a bit much. Someone can have an Apple Watch for 349.00 not exactly breaking the bank when an iPad Mini will cost more. I find people that own them either love them or have already grown bored with them. When I made a reservation to get one for my wife there was no line, I was able to get any reservation time I wanted and most models and bands were in stock.
While driving there is nothing the Apple Watch can do that my car doesn't already do paired with my iPhone, Hands free calls, texting, music, turn by turn navigation.
For my calendar alerts and notifications it's really doesn't seem like a chore to look directly at my phone. The available apps are weak. In some cases the Apple Watch apps will not work unless the app is open on your iPhone.
Calling a device that can do next to nothing without being paired to an iPhone a marvel is somewhat laughable. The biggest clue Apple always seems to know exactly how many iPhones have been sold yet for some reason there is still no official numbers released. We get words like "healthy" if that was Samsung you would be one of the first mocking them.
It's great that you are in love with yours and find it useful that doesn't mean it's going to be a technology marvel.
Apple Watch may be outselling other smart watches, but that doesn't change the fact that smart watches are pointless and redundant, nor does it change the fact that Apple's design people really dropped the ball with the Apple Watch. It's ugly, it's too expensive, and I have only seen them on middle-aged women.
I can only hope that in a few years we're all scratching our heads about why so many people thought the rest of us needed smart watches. The fact that Apple has sold way more than anyone else (with 2.8 million sold) says something about this product category, and it's not good.
Well it's very successful. I think it will be a matter of time before it starts losing popularity. When people start realizing it doesn't do much they will stop using it. It will be just like the iPad which started great and it took a few years for people to realize it's just a big iphone and that our iphone's can pretty much do the same exact thing. For the past few years I've only been using a MacBook Air and iPhone and I pretty much get everything done.
iPad usage is up, and continues, sales have slowed because unlike iPhones, people are finding that they only need a new iPad after several years, not every other year or even every year. It will be just like the iPad in that people will find that they can happily go 3-5 years between watch upgrades. This is a feature not a bug. If Apple makes a product (iPhone) that sells on a 18-24 month upgrade, another on a 4-6 year and a third on a 3-5, that means those people who like their Apple gear will be buying at least one new product every 12-18 months. That is pretty serious. If they can get the Apple TV in full swing, at about 4-7 year personal upgrade cycle, they will pretty much own the world.
And when you start using a watch and find out the advantages of having a notification screen with a few extras and siri, like me, you will find your phone stays in your pocket a great deal more, and your laptop opens less.
The Apple Watch sells a rare commodity. When you purchase one, you literally get time. In more than one sense.
Apple Watch may be outselling other smart watches, but that doesn't change the fact that smart watches are pointless and redundant, nor does it change the fact that Apple's design people really dropped the ball with the Apple Watch. It's ugly, it's too expensive, and I have only seen them on middle-aged women.
I can only hope that in a few years we're all scratching our heads about why so many people thought the rest of us needed smart watches. The fact that Apple has sold way more than anyone else (with 2.8 million sold) says something about this product category, and it's not good.
For my calendar alerts and notifications it's really doesn't seem like a chore to look directly at my phone. The available apps are weak. In some cases the Apple Watch apps will not work unless the app is open on your iPhone.
For you, pulling out your iPhone out of your pocket every time you get a notification or an alert is not a big deal. For others, it is inconvenient to do so. Especially if your phone is in another room in the house, or when at work and its in the office and you're in the cafeteria, when you're in a meeting, when you want to send quick reply back to a text, etc etc. For women, it's particularly convenient, since their phone is often in a purse, and their clothes tend not to have pockets.
The native apps are brilliant, not weak. Which one do you think is weak, and why? If you're talking about 3rd party apps, yes, they're slow, but that'll change soon (after WWDC) as Apple has made more resources available.
Which apps will not work unless the app is open on your iPhone?
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Calling a device that can do next to nothing without being paired to an iPhone a marvel is somewhat laughable.
'Next to nothing'? Without being paired to a iPhone, I can access:
Time/World Clock
Timer
Alarm
Apple Pay
Workout
Activity
Heart Rate
Music
Photos
Many third party apps (e.g., calculators)
AppleTV Remote
Keynote presentation remote.
When the phone is not physically with me but in the same network, I can access a whole lot more, such as Texts, Emails, Weather, Stocks.... want me to go on?
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The biggest clue Apple always seems to know exactly how many iPhones have been sold yet for some reason there is still no official numbers released. We get words like "healthy" if that was Samsung you would be one of the first mocking them.
If Apple has not released any numbers by the end of the first year, come back and let us know, will ya? Any comparison to Samsung is laughable. Samsung releases NO sales numbers at all, and have a history of having released bogus numbers in the past.
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It's great that you are in love with yours ...
Of course I am. It's one of the most beautiful watches I've owned (and I own some nice ones). The straps are a marvel too.
It is truly a marvel. A fabulously delicate, unobtrusive, classy, technologically advanced marvel.
That's stretching a bit. It's selling well and it's beating others but it's definitely not what you just stated. I've seen two so far on people and I see at least 200 different people every day with what I do. The friends that I have that have one are split. One half thinks it's great the other half are selling them because they see no benefit in them.
I've said it before and for the hell of it I'll say it again - if Apple can figure out how to include a reliable Blood Pressure sensor on the watch they will rule. It's the missing link for the health/fitness buyers. Blood sugar and the others can come later but for now a bps would put it miles in front of anything else. It was pointed out to me in another thread that a bps does not have to be hospital grade but a reliable indicator is all that's required. God, Ye olden cuff methods are nothing more than an indicator anyway.
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Hell there was a time when I got everything done on a PC running NT with smart phones unheard of. The fact is I get different things done with my iPad. It is an ideal device for travel. A lot of that has to do with its size with the screen being big enough to be usefull.
"I think it will be a matter of time before it starts losing popularity. When people start realizing it doesn't do much they will stop using it."
I think it's very clear based on every reasonable metric that the Apple Watch is a robustly selling product that's destroying the competition and creating a new market.
Apple is only going to expand the capabilities and decrease the price of the watch in time, if the iPhone and iPad are any predictors.
It seems a more reasonable assumption that it gains popularity rather than losing it, so I disagree with your opinion and I don't see any facts to support this claimed lack of popularity for the Apple Watch.
It's the only wearable everyone is talking about.
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it's an Apple product.
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Automatic win for the product.
Conservative doesn't have to mean ignorance and frankly we see as much ignorance from the liberal media. The problem is the transparently biased reporting that seems to have as its agenda to damage Apple in anyway they can. Apple does bad things and frankly screws up from time to time, when it does the facts are good enough. Besides super woman Taylor Swift can set them straight.
What bothers me is trying to screw Apple over by ignoring the facts and painting a product like Apple Watch as a failure. That is not journalism, left or right, it is just mean spirited use of a public platform. The reality is we don't know what the Watch's long term potential for success is, however it is obvious that it is more successful than all of its competitors combined.
Frankly I see Watch on the same path as the first iPhone. That first iPhone was ground breaking and its long term success was locked to how well Apple nurtured it along in the first couple of years. Likewise Warch will be successful not because of what version one promises but because of what the follow on versions deliver in the way of hardware, software and services. Think about it, LTE and faster hardware have turned iPhones into real tools for a wide variety of users.
Lastly, the report seems to ignore another reality, almost everyone has a cell phones ne with them constantly. A far smaller percentage of people even bother to wear a watch these days. As such it is very unlikely that a watch would have similar sales numbers to an iPhone. At least with today's technologies and personal habits, Watch would have to be far more useful to gather interest from those that don't wear watches now.
So if you are a watch maker looking upon Apples new device would you be worried or consider it a failure? I suspect many are worried and frankly see the watch as a huge success for Apple. This is probably the only real benchmark to judge the Watch,s success against, has it created worry in the watch industry?
I hear a lot about Fox News here in this forum, one of these days I will have to watch ???? the channel to see what is all about. That is harder to do than some might imaging as I gave up on cable a long time ago and the antenna only picks up a couple of stations. I don't expect it to be any worst or better than anything else I've seen of late. The day (if it ever existed) of truly unbiased reporting seems to be completely gone at this point. If one tunes in a network of any type expecting unbiased reporting there has to be a bit of gullibility in that person.
I don't see this as creating a new market, rather I see it as evolving a very old market. The evolution is adding features to a time keeping device. Frankly Watch is a proof of concept machine just like the first iPhone and the first iPad. A better done proof of concept for sure , but if it sells well I suspect that Apple will throw a ton of engineering at the next rev to more fully realize their dream device. Make no mistake here, iPhone has benefitted from a huge amount of engineering investment in Apples part. The Watch, if successful, will gain much of the same engineering focus. A 14 nm SoC for example would be very interesting in Apples Watch.
So true. More importantly it's success should be judged against the whole watch industry not against the cell phone industry. To try to judge the watch against the cell phone business is just futile. It makes as much sense as trying to judge the iPhone against Mac sales or vis versa.
Troll harder.
There are actually engineering reasons for keeping the S1 at 28nm right now; not all of the components reduce appropriately past that. In the future I have no doubt it will be reduced but for the moment it's as good as can be done.
Its a laughably biased propaganda machine not a dignified news channel.
Not one, I'll bet. Likely couldn't afford one, I'll bet.
It is truly a marvel. A fabulously delicate, unobtrusive, classy, technologically advanced marvel.
Those comments may be a bit much. Someone can have an Apple Watch for 349.00 not exactly breaking the bank when an iPad Mini will cost more. I find people that own them either love them or have already grown bored with them. When I made a reservation to get one for my wife there was no line, I was able to get any reservation time I wanted and most models and bands were in stock.
While driving there is nothing the Apple Watch can do that my car doesn't already do paired with my iPhone, Hands free calls, texting, music, turn by turn navigation.
For my calendar alerts and notifications it's really doesn't seem like a chore to look directly at my phone. The available apps are weak. In some cases the Apple Watch apps will not work unless the app is open on your iPhone.
Calling a device that can do next to nothing without being paired to an iPhone a marvel is somewhat laughable. The biggest clue Apple always seems to know exactly how many iPhones have been sold yet for some reason there is still no official numbers released. We get words like "healthy" if that was Samsung you would be one of the first mocking them.
It's great that you are in love with yours and find it useful that doesn't mean it's going to be a technology marvel.
I can only hope that in a few years we're all scratching our heads about why so many people thought the rest of us needed smart watches. The fact that Apple has sold way more than anyone else (with 2.8 million sold) says something about this product category, and it's not good.
Well it's very successful. I think it will be a matter of time before it starts losing popularity. When people start realizing it doesn't do much they will stop using it. It will be just like the iPad which started great and it took a few years for people to realize it's just a big iphone and that our iphone's can pretty much do the same exact thing. For the past few years I've only been using a MacBook Air and iPhone and I pretty much get everything done.
iPad usage is up, and continues, sales have slowed because unlike iPhones, people are finding that they only need a new iPad after several years, not every other year or even every year. It will be just like the iPad in that people will find that they can happily go 3-5 years between watch upgrades. This is a feature not a bug. If Apple makes a product (iPhone) that sells on a 18-24 month upgrade, another on a 4-6 year and a third on a 3-5, that means those people who like their Apple gear will be buying at least one new product every 12-18 months. That is pretty serious. If they can get the Apple TV in full swing, at about 4-7 year personal upgrade cycle, they will pretty much own the world.
And when you start using a watch and find out the advantages of having a notification screen with a few extras and siri, like me, you will find your phone stays in your pocket a great deal more, and your laptop opens less.
The Apple Watch sells a rare commodity. When you purchase one, you literally get time. In more than one sense.
I can only hope that in a few years we're all scratching our heads about why so many people thought the rest of us needed smart watches. The fact that Apple has sold way more than anyone else (with 2.8 million sold) says something about this product category, and it's not good.
I was wondering when you were going to show up.
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For my calendar alerts and notifications it's really doesn't seem like a chore to look directly at my phone. The available apps are weak. In some cases the Apple Watch apps will not work unless the app is open on your iPhone.
For you, pulling out your iPhone out of your pocket every time you get a notification or an alert is not a big deal. For others, it is inconvenient to do so. Especially if your phone is in another room in the house, or when at work and its in the office and you're in the cafeteria, when you're in a meeting, when you want to send quick reply back to a text, etc etc. For women, it's particularly convenient, since their phone is often in a purse, and their clothes tend not to have pockets.
The native apps are brilliant, not weak. Which one do you think is weak, and why? If you're talking about 3rd party apps, yes, they're slow, but that'll change soon (after WWDC) as Apple has made more resources available.
Which apps will not work unless the app is open on your iPhone?
Calling a device that can do next to nothing without being paired to an iPhone a marvel is somewhat laughable.
'Next to nothing'? Without being paired to a iPhone, I can access:
Time/World Clock
Timer
Alarm
Apple Pay
Workout
Activity
Heart Rate
Music
Photos
Many third party apps (e.g., calculators)
AppleTV Remote
Keynote presentation remote.
When the phone is not physically with me but in the same network, I can access a whole lot more, such as Texts, Emails, Weather, Stocks.... want me to go on?
The biggest clue Apple always seems to know exactly how many iPhones have been sold yet for some reason there is still no official numbers released. We get words like "healthy" if that was Samsung you would be one of the first mocking them.
If Apple has not released any numbers by the end of the first year, come back and let us know, will ya? Any comparison to Samsung is laughable. Samsung releases NO sales numbers at all, and have a history of having released bogus numbers in the past.
It's great that you are in love with yours ...
Of course I am. It's one of the most beautiful watches I've owned (and I own some nice ones). The straps are a marvel too.
That's stretching a bit. It's selling well and it's beating others but it's definitely not what you just stated. I've seen two so far on people and I see at least 200 different people every day with what I do. The friends that I have that have one are split. One half thinks it's great the other half are selling them because they see no benefit in them.
1. The Watch is doomed because nobody wants one
2. The Watch is doomed because demand outstrips supply
It's the missing link for the health/fitness buyers. Blood sugar and the others can come later but for now a bps would put it miles in front of anything else.
It was pointed out to me in another thread that a bps does not have to be hospital grade but a reliable indicator is all that's required. God, Ye olden cuff methods are nothing more than an indicator anyway.