It's time to uninstall Adobe's Flash from your Mac - here's how

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  • Reply 41 of 117
    elijahgelijahg Posts: 2,780member
    I uninstalled Flash a few weeks ago too, when the last vulnerability was exposed. Can't say I've missed anything.
    aishane wrote: »
    For the same reason that it's safer for police officers to handcuff someone and place them in the squad car, rather than let them stand around outside: even if they slip the cuffs, they're still contained.
    Except Apple sandboxes Flash (and other Safari plugins) too.
  • Reply 42 of 117
    palominepalomine Posts: 363member
    There must be some way to view Flash video on iPads I guess.

    I belong to a music training site and long story short, their admin told me they use Flash video. I sent an angry reply, before I figured out that I needed to disable my Weblock ad blocker. The site works again. I had always accessed on my ipad, before I set up the Weblock. I tried whitelisting that site but it didn't work like my other white listed sites did, so I had to disable the ad blocker.

    Anyone have an idea how that can be possible?
  • Reply 43 of 117
    magman1979magman1979 Posts: 1,299member
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    Originally Posted by tokyotony View Post



    Well, I went to uninstall Flash, and now I can't use Google Music. When I go to load the website, it says that I need to have Flash to listen to music. I thought Google would have been better than rely on Flash!



    Simple solution, move away from Google-anything. They've proven time and time again, they cannot be trusted with anything.

  • Reply 44 of 117
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MacHiavelli92 View Post

     

    I followed this advice to nuke Flash:

     

    http://briarkitesme.com/2015/01/26/how-to-nuke-adobe-flash-but-still-access-content/ ;




    Changing your user-agent to iPad is a horrible solution. Many websites tailor their content to fit the screen of the mobile device. I have a 5K iMac. I'm not sure how a website would react to an iPad with a 5K screen. Sorry that is not a good idea at all. Personally I have never had any issues with Flash, but that is just me. I use Click2Flash. All software needs to be kept up to date and I never visit any sketchy sites that might have malware anyway.

  • Reply 45 of 117

    The last I saw, 480p video wasn't available on YouTube if you were using HTML5. Videos that had that resolution only showed that option if you switched back to Flash. That whole "adaptive streams" thing Google is using now is a nightmare.

  • Reply 46 of 117
    freerangefreerange Posts: 1,597member
    tokyotony wrote: »
    Well, I went to uninstall Flash, and now I can't use Google Music. When I go to load the website, it says that I need to have Flash to listen to music. I thought Google would have been better than rely on Flash!

    The solution is quite obvious - dump Google too! Why would you want them shining a flashlight up your ass all the time?
  • Reply 47 of 117
    For anyone wanting to use the BBC website without Flash: Enable the "Develop" menu in Safari (the option is in the "Advanced" preferences tab) and then select Develop > User Agent > IOS8.1/iPad. The tab will reload the content as HTML5 and it plays perfectly.
  • Reply 48 of 117
    magman1979magman1979 Posts: 1,299member

    The funny thing is, I was already a ClickToPlugin user (big brother of ClickToFlash) in Safari, and after just uninstalling Flash, my Safari starts SOOO much faster now!!!

  • Reply 49 of 117
    vavatchvavatch Posts: 26member
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    Originally Posted by Cyberzombie View Post

     

     

    I mentioned JavaScript due to its being predominately a client-side programming language - like Flash.




    I can see how you might be a bit confused here. 

     

    JavaScript and Flash really are not at all alike except that something is downloaded to your computer to be processed, but by that very broad definition, HTML, CSS, and indeed image files, audio files, video files, etc., are also the same thing.

     

    In fact, HTML, CSS and JavaScript have far more in common than JavaScript and Flash do, as all three are languages, which are coded, placed on the web server, downloaded and then interpreted by the client (browser). Flash, on the other hand, is coded, then compiled into a non-executable binary file, which then requires the Flash runtime engine in order to actually 'play.' You can view and edit the downloaded Javascript, HTML, and CSS from any website, in real time using the developer console in Safari, and similar in other browsers, but you cannot do the same with Flash.

     

    With Flash, you MUST have the runtime to play, and you cannot modify the Flash binary without using a specialised tool that attempts to reverse engineer it and recreate code that, in theory, duplicates the original code. However, in reality, that is all but impossible to actually do. 

     

    So, in other words, the downloaded HTML, CSS and JavaScript are absolutely identically coded when it was written and when it was interpreted in the Browser. Flash binaries are completely different from the source code they were created from.

     

    If I am getting to esoteric here, and I may (likely) be overinferring your intention, and if so, I sincerely apologise. I get sucked into these things easily because I have both been doing web design for over 20 years, and have taught a few courses on the subject over the years. I was, as well, an early (forced) user (and equally early, and VERY harsh, critic) of Flash, and it's predecessor, Splash, which 'Macromafia' acquired, and subsequently ruined. Ironically, Splash was actually much like JavaScript as it was a language, which was downloaded to the client machine, but needed a runtime interpreter to create the animations and effects because the browser could not on it's own. Simply put, the Splash runtime read the clear-text Splash code and interpreted it. Which to add a grand irony to things. That is, of course, how HTML5 works 9the interpreter is merely built into the browser rendering engine instead of being a plugin. :)

  • Reply 50 of 117
    jcm722jcm722 Posts: 40member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by FreeRange View Post

     
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tokyotony View Post



    Well, I went to uninstall Flash, and now I can't use Google Music. When I go to load the website, it says that I need to have Flash to listen to music. I thought Google would have been better than rely on Flash!




    The solution is quite obvious - dump Google too! Why would you want them shining a flashlight up your ass all the time?



    Google is. The Internet is all about ads anyway. This website takes income from Ad Choices. Google knows my name and that is all. iTunes, on the other hand, knows where I live and my phone #. I use Gmail online, and it is probably more secure than anything else I could use. Google will send me targeted ads regardless of my browser, unless I go private/incognito. The Internet is looking up your ass all the time.

  • Reply 51 of 117
    thepixeldocthepixeldoc Posts: 2,257member
    vavatch wrote: »
    I'll never forget the day Adobe announcing they were buying Macromedia, arguably the trashiest of the major software companies of its day. I said to myself, Adobe may gain something in the short term by killing off their key competitor to Photoshop and Illustrator, but by taking on Flash, and even more foolishly promoting that piss poor pile of crap, that are also hanging an albatross round their necks that will haunt them for a years to come.

    I could not agree more. It is time to sunset Flash. Formally kill it, and the stragglers reliant on it will have no choice but to get with the programme, or drift into obscurity, if not become fodder for angry mobs of villagers (afflicted users) with pitchforks and torches in the night, come to show them what for!

    May I ask if you have any more info to share to buttress that claim? Is it only due to Flash, or do you also have other info about the other software titles... mainly FreeHand, but maybe also Fireworks development trash?

    I ask sincerely because it was "stated in closed discussions" that FreeHand was left to die NOT because Adobe wanted to, but because the program code was spaghetti and duct-tape... regardless whether FreeHand was the far better software than Illustrator for layout and vectors.

    *** And as I stated in every single previous post when Adobe hits this site in the news: never forget who was the project manager and champion of Flash at Macromedia and later at Adobe as CTO... our very own AppleWatch head of dev, Kevin Lynch. (B has a bit to do with A in this post).
  • Reply 52 of 117
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Vavatch View Post

     

    Simply put, the Splash runtime read the clear-text Splash code and interpreted it. Which to add a grand irony to things. That is, of course, how HTML5 works 9the interpreter is merely built into the browser rendering engine instead of being a plugin. :)


    With regard to Splash, I don't think this is correct. As I recall .spa files could not be opened in a text editor. Those were binary files. Future Splash files were created by the Splash editor application. They were drawn not coded. Ironically Javascript and Flash do have a lot in common. They are both based on EMCIAscript. Javascript and ActionScript 1-2 were almost identical. Now with ActionScript 3 they are not as similar but still closely related.

     

    BTW the predecessor to Future Splash was CelAnimator which was an extension of SmartSketch.

  • Reply 53 of 117
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ThePixelDoc View Post





    May I ask if you have any more info to share to buttress that claim? Is it only due to Flash, or do you also have other info about the other software titles... 

    MacroMind Director was a brilliant application. I wrote a lot of cool stuff with it back in the day.

  • Reply 54 of 117
    jozsoojozsoo Posts: 39member

    Thanks, Shane. Fully Flashless now.

  • Reply 55 of 117
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Vavatch View Post

     

    Simply put, the Splash runtime read the clear-text Splash code and interpreted it. Which to add a grand irony to things. That is, of course, how HTML5 works 9the interpreter is merely built into the browser rendering engine instead of being a plugin. :)


    One other thought: HTML has always been a clear text programming language interpreted in the browser. A lot of people think that HTML5 is something entirely new and a replacement for Flash in that it can do all the animations. HTML5 just adds a few new tags to the HTML standard. The part that is doing all the animation and fancy visuals is Javascript and CSS3. Sure HTML5 adds the video tag making Flash unnecessary for that, but the proper way to refer to the new advanced object style of web programming would be HTML5/JS/CSS3, not just HTML5. I realize that may be putting too fine of a point on it, but I just thought I would mention it.

  • Reply 56 of 117
    facetedfaceted Posts: 15member
    Been flash free for two years!
  • Reply 57 of 117
    what's going to Flash-based screen savers if there's no Flash? does that mean they're useless?
  • Reply 58 of 117

    what can I do about my flash-based screen savers? is there anyway to salvage them if I go flash-free?? thanks!

  • Reply 59 of 117
    adonissmuadonissmu Posts: 1,776member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mstone View Post

     

    One other thought: HTML has always been a clear text programming language interpreted in the browser. A lot of people think that HTML5 is something entirely new and a replacement for Flash in that it can do all the animations. HTML5 just adds a few new tags to the HTML standard. The part that is doing all the animation and fancy visuals is Javascript and CSS3. Sure HTML5 adds the video tag making Flash unnecessary for that, but the proper way to refer to the new advanced object style of web programming would be HTML5/JS/CSS3, not just HTML5. I realize that may be putting too fine of a point on it, but I just thought I would mention it.


    HTML5 is a catch all for HTML/JS/CSS3.

  • Reply 60 of 117
    thepixeldocthepixeldoc Posts: 2,257member
    mstone wrote: »
    MacroMind Director was a brilliant application. I wrote a lot of cool stuff with it back in the day.

    Absolutely!

    You know why I'm asking, and also that I was not a small-time user or simply a "fan" of FreeHand. Also that I ***was* a voice of support for Adobe CC subs.

    There's just a few "details" and "statements made" that bother me to this day why and how Adobe went about killing off FreeHand. Rather than turning it loose (selling it) or continuing to at least update for OS advancements.

    I'm all for advancing tech and software and revel in being an early adopter. However, when a software title has matured, I prefer at least the opportunity to continue using it with no added features until the time is right to jump into full production with the new software and learning it properly. Actually it's not I that prefer it so much as it's my clients.

    *** Barely hanging in there for the moment to be more exact since CC 2015 has created all kinds of assorted issues for my clients.... and I love nothing more than maintaining 2 working versions of each software that offers varying degrees of "sucks less for this project"(!!!)
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