Windows 10 adoption up to 75M devices nearly one month after launch, Microsoft says

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  • Reply 41 of 84
    foggyhillfoggyhill Posts: 4,767member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by singularity View Post





    My company is upgrading to win 10 next year and it is a multinational. Corporate IT is gunho for us to go over as soon as poss.

     

    Why? There's not much advantages at all. I'd be worried about anyone being gung ho about pushing an OS that gives marginal plus enterprise value and introduces a potential myriad of bugs.

  • Reply 42 of 84
    foggyhillfoggyhill Posts: 4,767member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by sflocal View Post

     

    I installed it as a VM on my Mac.  It's a necessity because many of my clients are still running Windows shops.  



    I like it, especially when compared to Windows 8.   I'm also happy that they finally jettisoned Internet Explorer.



    It's what Windows 8 should have been.  I'm not a fan of how Microsoft is forcing data collection, so I'm going to take the wait-and-see approach to how it goes.  For now, it's still teething so my clients will stick to Windows 7 & 8.



    Looks promising though.  I really hope Microsoft doesn't do something hugely stupid with this.


     

    Its also forcing upgrades, not even Apple does that (it used to force downloads OTA from 5 to 7, which sucked because it took space on the phone, but still no forced upgrades).

  • Reply 43 of 84
    danvmdanvm Posts: 1,409member
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    Originally Posted by Hexclock View Post





    Interesting point you make. Win 10 has gotten favorable reviews, but all that really means is that Windows users have gotten back to the same sub-standard UX that they were accustomed to before the Win 8 disaster.

     

    IMO, there are many things the Windows UX does better than OS X, like the task bar, Windows Snap and many other features.  The same can be said of OS X over Windows.  I don't think Windows UX is sub-standard, just different than OS X.

  • Reply 44 of 84
    danvmdanvm Posts: 1,409member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by foggyhill View Post

     

     

    Why? There's not much advantages at all. I'd be worried about anyone being gung ho about pushing an OS that gives marginal plus enterprise value and introduces a potential myriad of bugs.




    Windows 10 has many advantages over previous Windows versions.  Some of them are,

     

    Security

    Same OS for PC's, notebooks and tablets (W8.1 already had it)

    Continuum for 2 in 1 devices

    Multiples desktops

    Enhanced Windows Snap

    Edge browser

     

    Maybe right now is not ready for deployment, but in a few months, when some bugs gets fixed, will make sense in business and enterprises. 

  • Reply 45 of 84
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DanVM View Post

     

     

    IMO, there are many things the Windows UX does better than OS X, like the task bar, Windows Snap and many other features.  The same can be said of OS X over Windows.  I don't think Windows UX is sub-standard, just different than OS X.


     

    I use windows for work and windows at home up until 2008.  I prefer the dock (autohide) shrunk down with zoom turned on much better than the crappy task bar.   I also find the snap feature in windows where you get to close to the edge and it determines what you really want to do is zoom and snap to be extremely annoying on a desktop... if I wanted that I would have done that.   Microsoft has a tendance not to think to hard about user interfaces.... Outlook for Windows.... lets place the send button in the last place you would look... unless you were an arab (your eyes flow left to right, top to bottom, and where the standard commands are at the top).  There are 20+ buttons and all sorts of things that just clutter up the interface.  If you go back and listen to the person that first designed the "start button" and listen to him as he observed users getting confused and then here the programmers going the user is an idiot (and it turns out to be a "rocket scientist"......   which is not all to uncommon for the majority of programmers to respond that way.... and it is not that much different at Microsoft today IMHO.... you really need a strong UX design guru that kicks the programmers butts.....  that is the difference between the two - Apple design is very important and integral.  Microsoft not so much.....  (the exception is iTunes - I swear it is a Microsoft programmer).

  • Reply 46 of 84
    calicali Posts: 3,494member
    They only used "10" to copy Apple.

    Pathetic.

    (Not defending Apple either, just sick of all the Apple idolatry)
  • Reply 47 of 84
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    Originally Posted by cali View Post



    They only used "10" to copy Apple.



    Pathetic.

     

    Bull!  That is the lamest theory of them all.

     

    I suspect it is just their marketing department not wanting to name their "most important" release..... Windows NO! in german.

  • Reply 48 of 84
    Originally Posted by cali View Post

    They only used "10" to copy Apple.

     

    They used 10 because 9 would have set off flags for Windows 95 and 98 compatibility and broken software. :p

  • Reply 49 of 84
    foggyhillfoggyhill Posts: 4,767member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DanVM View Post

     



    Windows 10 has many advantages over previous Windows versions.  Some of them are,

     

    Security

    Same OS for PC's, notebooks and tablets (W8.1 already had it)

    Continuum for 2 in 1 devices

    Multiples desktops

    Enhanced Windows Snap

    Edge browser

     

    Maybe right now is not ready for deployment, but in a few months, when some bugs gets fixed, will make sense in business and enterprises. 


     

    - Security should be a given (and 7 is still supported in that regard), it's not really that much better than 8.1 in that regard, especially since most hacks come from social engineering anyway.

    - Same OS, nothing new.

    - Considering how little Surface like devices exist worldwide, contiuum affects very few businesses.

    - Multiple desktops, snap, and similar had this already for very cheap/fre

    - Edge browser, I use Firefox/Netscape since the 1990s... A new browser a reason to upgrade? Really? Are we in 1998?

     

    Only advantage from my perspective is running metro apps on the desktop, that's about it. There are even a few changes I dislike.

     

    Considering the massive disruption coming from any upgrades, I'm going to call it that upgrading to 10 from 7 (were many businesses are), will indeed be slow in most businesses.  Smaller businesses may do it faster.

  • Reply 50 of 84
    Originally Posted by DanVM View Post

    Security




    AHAHAHAHAH IT’S A BOTNET. There is literally no security, by definition.

     

    Same OS for PC's, notebooks and tablets (W8.1 already had it)


     

    How is this a benefit? Phones, tablets, and desktops aren’t the same things. You don’t do the same things on them, use them in the same ways, or have the same experiences on them.

     

    Continuum for 2 in 1 devices


     

    That’s like claiming a Froaster using 120v for both the fridge and toaster components is a good thing. True, but overall irrelevant.

     

    Multiples desktops


     

    Eh?

     



    Edge browser


     

    Spartan isn’t that good. At least, the last build of Spartan before release wasn’t that good. No extensions at all, even.

  • Reply 51 of 84
    lol, botnet.
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    I’m still going to install it, but I’ll be heavily modifying the hosts file and monitoring outgoing connections. If Microsoft feels that they can circumvent their own hosts file, I’ll teach myself how to block connections at the modem itself.

    OH AND DID I MENTION THAT WINDOWS 7 AND WINDOWS 8 RECEIVED FORCED UPDATES TO DO THE EXACT SAME? 

    I don’t think I did.

    Wow. No words.

    Thx.
  • Reply 52 of 84

    So basically, if you dont want anything to go out of your Win 10 PC to any Microsoft or third party server you have to turn off the internet. 

     

    What a shame rly. 

  • Reply 53 of 84
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    Originally Posted by Nikolay Iliev View Post

     

    So basically, if you dont want anything to go out of your Win 10 PC to any Microsoft or third party server you have to turn off the internet. 

     

    What a shame rly. 


     

    You don't have to turn off the internet..... but if you want real security get an enterprise router that has firewalls in and out-bound - then you can micromanage what goes out.  Install Little Snitch and watch how many different locations and how many servers applications communicate with (along with the operating system) and you might be surprised.   Almost all of it is not a big deal since it is not in the interest of companies that make and SELL apps to damage their reputation by doing snooping for 3rd parties (unless ordered to by the government).... So most of it is paranoia gone mad.  That said, I do have an enterprise router/switch because consumer grade devices are massively insecure and don't protect you at all.

  • Reply 54 of 84
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    Originally Posted by Nikolay Iliev View Post

    So basically, if you dont want anything to go out of your Win 10 PC to any Microsoft or third party server you have to turn off the internet.

     

    As far as I know, not off completely. Again, when my new graphics card arrives, I’ll install 10 and try this out myself, but from what I know right now, you can block this nonsense by editing the hosts file as follows:

     

     

    127.0.0.1 local

     127.0.0.1 vortex.data.microsoft.com

     127.0.0.1 vortex-win.data.microsoft.com

     127.0.0.1 telecommand.telemetry.microsoft.com

     127.0.0.1 telecommand.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net

     127.0.0.1 oca.telemetry.microsoft.com

     127.0.0.1 oca.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net

     127.0.0.1 sqm.telemetry.microsoft.com

     127.0.0.1 sqm.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net

     127.0.0.1 watson.telemetry.microsoft.com

     127.0.0.1 watson.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net

     127.0.0.1 redir.metaservices.microsoft.com

     127.0.0.1 choice.microsoft.com

     127.0.0.1 choice.microsoft.com.nsatc.net

     127.0.0.1 df.telemetry.microsoft.com

     127.0.0.1 reports.wes.df.telemetry.microsoft.com

     127.0.0.1 wes.df.telemetry.microsoft.com

     127.0.0.1 services.wes.df.telemetry.microsoft.com

     127.0.0.1 sqm.df.telemetry.microsoft.com

     127.0.0.1 telemetry.microsoft.com

     127.0.0.1 watson.ppe.telemetry.microsoft.com

     127.0.0.1 telemetry.appex.bing.net

     127.0.0.1 telemetry.urs.microsoft.com

     127.0.0.1 telemetry.appex.bing.net:443

     127.0.0.1 settings-sandbox.data.microsoft.com

     127.0.0.1 vortex-sandbox.data.microsoft.com

     127.0.0.1 survey.watson.microsoft.com

     127.0.0.1 watson.live.com

     127.0.0.1 watson.microsoft.com

     127.0.0.1 statsfe2.ws.microsoft.com

     127.0.0.1 corpext.msitadfs.glbdns2.microsoft.com

     127.0.0.1 compatexchange.cloudapp.net

     127.0.0.1 cs1.wpc.v0cdn.net

     127.0.0.1 a-0001.a-msedge.net

     127.0.0.1 statsfe2.update.microsoft.com.akadns.net

     127.0.0.1 sls.update.microsoft.com.akadns.net

     127.0.0.1 fe2.update.microsoft.com.akadns.net

     127.0.0.1 diagnostics.support.microsoft.com

     127.0.0.1 corp.sts.microsoft.com

     127.0.0.1 statsfe1.ws.microsoft.com

     127.0.0.1 pre.footprintpredict.com

     127.0.0.1 i1.services.social.microsoft.com

     127.0.0.1 i1.services.social.microsoft.com.nsatc.net

     127.0.0.1 feedback.windows.com

     127.0.0.1 feedback.microsoft-hohm.com

     127.0.0.1 feedback.search.microsoft.com

     127.0.0.1 rad.msn.com

     127.0.0.1 preview.msn.com

     127.0.0.1 ad.doubleclick.net

     127.0.0.1 ads.msn.com

     127.0.0.1 ads1.msads.net

     127.0.0.1 ads1.msn.com

     127.0.0.1 a.ads1.msn.com

     127.0.0.1 a.ads2.msn.com

     127.0.0.1 adnexus.net

     127.0.0.1 adnxs.com

     127.0.0.1 aidps.atdmt.com

     127.0.0.1 apps.skype.com

     127.0.0.1 az361816.vo.msecnd.net

     127.0.0.1 az512334.vo.msecnd.net

     127.0.0.1 a.rad.msn.com

     127.0.0.1 a.ads2.msads.net

     127.0.0.1 ac3.msn.com

     127.0.0.1 aka-cdn-ns.adtech.de

     127.0.0.1 b.rad.msn.com

     127.0.0.1 b.ads2.msads.net

     127.0.0.1 b.ads1.msn.com

     127.0.0.1 bs.serving-sys.com

     127.0.0.1 c.msn.com

     127.0.0.1 cdn.atdmt.com

     127.0.0.1 cds26.ams9.msecn.net

     127.0.0.1 c.atdmt.com

     127.0.0.1 db3aqu.atdmt.com

     127.0.0.1 ec.atdmt.com

     127.0.0.1 flex.msn.com

     127.0.0.1 g.msn.com

     127.0.0.1 h2.msn.com

     127.0.0.1 h1.msn.com

     127.0.0.1 live.rads.msn.com

     127.0.0.1 msntest.serving-sys.com

     127.0.0.1 m.adnxs.com

     127.0.0.1 m.hotmail.com

     127.0.0.1 preview.msn.com

     127.0.0.1 pricelist.skype.com

     127.0.0.1 rad.msn.com

     127.0.0.1 rad.live.com

     127.0.0.1 secure.flashtalking.com

     127.0.0.1 static.2mdn.net

     127.0.0.1 s.gateway.messenger.live.com

     127.0.0.1 secure.adnxs.com

     127.0.0.1 sO.2mdn.net

     127.0.0.1 ui.skype.com

     127.0.0.1 www.msftncsi.com

     127.0.0.1 msftncsi.com

     127.0.0.1 view.atdmt.com



     

    Additionally, there are a couple of scripts out that claim to do roughly the same thing, automatically.

     

    Did I mention that Windows will take screenshots of your computer and send them to Microsoft if you’re typing in an RSA authentication? Because what better way to avoid that pesky business of cracking RSA than to just SCREENSHOT THE USER AS HE IS ENTERING THE PASSWORD!

     

    Actually, I’m not, personally, 100% sure that was confirmed. But given the rest, does it sound that implausible?

  • Reply 55 of 84

    ^ And if Microsoft were really spying on you they would use your overrides.... why?  Next update - ignore the file for those addresses.

  • Reply 56 of 84
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    Originally Posted by bkkcanuck View Post

    ^ And if Microsoft were really spying on you they would use your overrides.... why?  Next update - ignore the file for those addresses.

     

    Can they bypass their own hosts file? I’ll just edit it at the modem if that’s the case.

  • Reply 57 of 84
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

     

     

    Can they bypass their own hosts file? I’ll just edit it at the modem if that’s the case.


     

    Of course they can.  And your consumer grade modem allows you to modify the DNS.... but then why would Microsoft use DNS....  They just get the IP address for the name from a Microsoft windows server....   If you want to block outbound traffic and control it you need a firewall that does access control in both directions - which is common in enterprise solutions.

  • Reply 58 of 84
    argonautargonaut Posts: 128member

    As per TS's amusing image above,  here is a handy guide on how to install Windows 10 without it trampling all over your privacy... mostly.  

    They have similar help for users of Win7/8.1.

     

    https://fix10.isleaked.com/

  • Reply 59 of 84
    danvmdanvm Posts: 1,409member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bkkcanuck View Post

     

     

    I use windows for work and windows at home up until 2008.  I prefer the dock (autohide) shrunk down with zoom turned on much better than the crappy task bar.   I also find the snap feature in windows where you get to close to the edge and it determines what you really want to do is zoom and snap to be extremely annoying on a desktop... if I wanted that I would have done that.  


     

    I use OS X and Windows every day at home and work.  And hate the autohide and zoom in the Dock (using your own words, the crappy Dock).  The Task Bar is more functional, and let me quickly open documents, create a new email or appointments without having to open the application.  Plus I have a preview of the minimized applications when I hover the mouse over the application in the task bar.  I prefer that over having the applications minimized in the right side.  And there is nothing similar in Yosemite like Windows Snap.  It makes very easy to compare two documents and spreadsheets, something I do frequently.  Now that Apple copied MS and will have the same feature in El Capitan, you will see how good it is. 

     

    Quote:


    Microsoft has a tendance not to think to hard about user interfaces.... Outlook for Windows.... lets place the send button in the last place you would look... unless you were an arab (your eyes flow left to right, top to bottom, and where the standard commands are at the top).  There are 20+ buttons and all sorts of things that just clutter up the interface.


    I think already we had a conversation about Outlook and, in your opinion, the "clutter" interface  What you call "Clutter" could the features I need to do my work.  And what you call simplicity could be missing features I need.  Maybe the Send button placement is the most important thing for you, while for me, Mac Mail misses so many features, like something as simple as a Message Recall.  And based on the reviews, Office 2016 / Outlook has very good ratings.  Looks like MS is doing something right, don't you think?.  Maybe we should wait for Apple to release a real competition to Office.  Based in what we have today with iWorks, looks like MS is the one doing the right thing with the UI in Office 2016.

     

    Quote:


    you really need a strong UX design guru that kicks the programmers butts.....  that is the difference between the two - Apple design is very important and integral.  Microsoft not so much.....  (the exception is iTunes - I swear it is a Microsoft programmer). 


    In my opinion, MS UX have been better than Apple in many things and worst in others.  The same can be said of Apple.  And yes, Apple has a very strong emphasis in design, but recent products has been going downhill, like (again) iWorks, iTunes, Apple Watch (have you read the reviews?) and Apple Music.  Now even Apple have copied some UI elements from Windows like Snap in El Capitan and side by side applications in iOS.  MS has to be doing something right, don't you think?  BTW, have you read the reviews of the applications MS recently acquired, like Accompli, Wunderlist and Sunrise?  They are better than what "Apple design gurus" did for iOS, with more functionality and clean interfaces.  And that was before MS acquire them.  Can you imagine how good they will be with MS supporting them? 

  • Reply 60 of 84
    danvmdanvm Posts: 1,409member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by foggyhill View Post

     

     

    - Security should be a given (and 7 is still supported in that regard), it's not really that much better than 8.1 in that regard, especially since most hacks come from social engineering anyway.


    In the enterprise every security feature is important and benefits 1000's or 100,000's of devices.  And Device Guard, integrated support for DLP and multi factor authentication makes it easier to implement and deploy policies to those devices.  IMO, that's the real benefit of Windows 10, and not only for being more secure. 

    Quote:


     - Same OS, nothing new.


    What I was trying to say is the benefit of a single OS for PCs, notebooks and tablets.  Sorry, English is not my main language.

    Quote:


     - Considering how little Surface like devices exist worldwide, contiuum affects very few businesses.


    I posted the benefits of Windows 10 in the enterprise.  And based in the growth of 2 in 1 devices, Continuum maybe an important one, including enterprises. 

    Quote:


     - Multiple desktops, snap, and similar had this already for very cheap/fre


    Having it integrated in the OS, like OS X and Linux is more convenient and there is no need to acquire and validate applications that added those features. 

    Quote:


    - Edge browser, I use Firefox/Netscape since the 1990s... A new browser a reason to upgrade? Really? Are we in 1998?


    Based in the reviews and my experience, Edge is better than IE, so it's a benefit to have a better integrated browser.

    Quote:


    Considering the massive disruption coming from any upgrades, I'm going to call it that upgrading to 10 from 7 (were many businesses are), will indeed be slow in most businesses.  Smaller businesses may do it faster.


    I think the same.  Changes in OS or applications have some effect in users (sometimes positive, while other negatively).  Small business will jump faster to W10, but it will take a few more years to enterprises to adopt it.  Still, and that was the point of my post, they will have benefits over Windows 7 and Windows 8.1.

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