AHAHAHAHAH IT’S A BOTNET. There is literally no security, by definition.
I was referring that Windows 10 included new security features that Windows 7 / Windows 8.1 don't have.
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Same OS for PC's, notebooks and tablets (W8.1 already had it)
How is this a benefit? Phones, tablets, and desktops aren’t the same things. You don’t do the same things on them, use them in the same ways, or have the same experiences on them.
I didn't mentioned phones, since Windows 10 for phones haven't being released and I don't know how it will work. Now, desktop, notebooks and Windows 2 in 1's are a different story. A single OS let me have a update a single update infrastructure for all devices. With group policy I apply polices, and doesn't matter if the users connects from his PC, notebook or Surface, he will have he same documents, printers and security restrictions applied. Plus a user with a Surface can use it as a mobile device and when he gets to the office, dock it and have a full feature desktop. Those are some examples of the benefits I can think of.
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Continuum for 2 in 1 devices
That’s like claiming a Froaster using 120v for both the fridge and toaster components is a good thing. True, but overall irrelevant.
Like I posted before, I can use a Surface as a mobile device or as a full featured desktop. If I'm on the road, I use the mobile applications (like mobile version of Office) and when I dock it on the office, I use the full Office 2013 with full access to my documents, files, printer and other network resources. Is that a bad thing?
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Multiples desktops
Eh?
For the first time, Windows 10 support multiple desktop. I think it's good, isn't?
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Edge browser
Spartan isn’t that good. At least, the last build of Spartan before release wasn’t that good. No extensions at all, even.
Still, is better than IE and extensions are coming in a future release. Again, is an added benefit over Windows 7 or Windows 8.1
For the first time, Windows 10 support multiple desktop. I think it's good, isn't?
Oh, wait, really?! REALLY?! None of the betas supported it? Why? Good thing I don’t run a multi setup anymore; I wonder what the beta would have been like with those...
Still, is better than IE...
Yeah, but the same is true of castration. Seriously, I did like Spartan a bit. I still use Safari in Windows for most things, though.
That’s the nerdiest thing to like about an update I’ve seen in a while. “But aren’t you just excited about having 8x the vRAM in your new graphics card?”
The original post I was replying mentioned enterprises, and updates are a "nerdy" but important when you deploy 1000's or 100,000's of devices. Do I find it exciting? No. It is a benefit for enterprises? Yes, and a big one. Far more important than "vRAM in my video card". Again, my post was focused in Windows 10 in the enterprise.
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For the first time, Windows 10 support multiple desktop. I think it's good, isn't?
Oh, wait, really?! REALLY?! None of the betas supported it? Why? Good thing I don’t run a multi setup anymore; I wonder what the beta would have been like with those...
I specifically said Windows 10, and that include the beta and Preview versions. And I'm talking about virtual desktops, not multi monitor setups.
I think when corporations will agree to update their entire networks the number will grow substantially. How many of these computers are own by a company and managed my sysadmins?
Ya, none of the computers where I work have Windows 10 on them yet! I plan to upgrade them, but I'm waiting until the real, Full complete Windows 10 is released, which looks like October, not this rushed out version MS did to get out before back to School sales. I have the oldest computer in the place by far and it's running Windows XP.
I think if you have Windows 7, you're not in such a rush to upgrade, but Windows 8/8.1, you can't upgrade and toss that garbage fast enough. As for the Privacy stuff, I think a lot of it is just over blown. If you want privacy, you shouldn't even be on the Internet!!! It's a fine line though. Did MS go over it? I don't know. That line is blurring every year for the worse I think. Some company's faster then others.
Do you remember the Gmail Man thing Microsoft did? I don't think MS can pretend they don't do the same these days.
Installed on a new gaming build my son and I did a few weekends ago. So far so good. All the games run well.
I have a High end Windows PC I built early last year. It had Windows 7 Pro on it. I upgraded to Windows 10 Pro. At times now it just crawls for some reason I haven't figured out. To the point the pointer is jerking on screen. It's the same software running in the background as before. Windows 10 was rushed out as a unfinished product to get it out before back to School sales. It was originally not going to be released until later this year. Sure enough there looks to be a big update coming in October!!! Will it fix my issues?!?!?
If you have Windows 7, I'd stick with it for now and wait until October and get the full Release of Windows 10. If you have that crap Windows 8/8.1, Upgrade now!!!!
Last I heard they skipped 9 because it wouldn't sell in Germany.
Can you confirm this, [@]ThePixelDoc[/@]
As much as it would've caused "consternation" here, if MS is to be believed, it truly is their official response and what [@]Tallest Skil[/@] said in a post above:
They used 10 because 9 would have set off flags for Windows 95 and 98 compatibility and broken software.
Microsoft needs only to keep Windows 10 as their flagship OS, so long as new PCs come with it and reasonably recently purchased hardware can run it, the rate of adoption doesn't really matter. They've already said Windows 10 is going to be _the_ version of Windows for the foreseeable future, meaning Windows 10 will get feature upgrades and enhancements while still being labeled "Windows 10." This is presumably to knock off those clinging to old versions, 8, 7, Vista, and XP. Let's say "Windows 10" lasts 5 years as a brand, by the end of that period the majority of PCs will be on it and it doesn't matter how quickly the platform achieved that.
Microsoft would probably prefer to have people wait until the free upgrade period is over anyway, to get people paying to upgrade. But now, they're just building a really solid user base, kind of a win-win for Microsoft.
You don't seem to get it. Windows 10 is the name FOREVER!!!! It won't last 5 years, it's FOREVER!!! Microsoft has gone the Apple Mac OSX naming route!!! Which has been Mac OSX for many years!!! When you buy a new PC or build a new PC, you'll be buying a new copy of Windows 10.
Microsoft needs only to keep Windows 10 as their flagship OS, so long as new PCs come with it and reasonably recently purchased hardware can run it, the rate of adoption doesn't really matter. They've already said Windows 10 is going to be _the_ version of Windows for the foreseeable future, meaning Windows 10 will get feature upgrades and enhancements while still being labeled "Windows 10." This is presumably to knock off those clinging to old versions, 8, 7, Vista, and XP. Let's say "Windows 10" lasts 5 years as a brand, by the end of that period the majority of PCs will be on it and it doesn't matter how quickly the platform achieved that.
Microsoft would probably prefer to have people wait until the free upgrade period is over anyway, to get people paying to upgrade. But now, they're just building a really solid user base, kind of a win-win for Microsoft.
You don't seem to get it. Windows 10 is the name FOREVER!!!! It won't last 5 years, it's FOREVER!!! Microsoft has gone the Apple Mac OSX naming route!!! Which has been Mac OSX for many years!!! When you buy a new PC or build a new PC, you'll be buying a new copy of Windows 10.
One thing I've learned in life is that forever really isn't that long.
As much as it would've caused "consternation" here, if MS is to be believed, it truly is their official response and what [@]Tallest Skil[/@] said in a post above:
They used 10 because 9 would have set off flags for Windows 95 and 98 compatibility and broken software.
Ah, ok. I thought Windows 9 wouldn't work in Germany:
Ah, ok. I thought Windows 9 wouldn't work in Germany:
"Windows nein"
Of course that's true. It would've been in Germany as embarrassing or more so if unaccepted as 8.0/8.1 was.... as a number of "naming faux pas" in the past for a number of products/brands:
Last I heard they skipped 9 because it wouldn't sell in Germany.
Can you confirm this, [@]ThePixelDoc[/@]
The point being, Microsoft could have called Windows anything!!. It didn't even have to be a number. They've used ME and Vista before which are not a number. Why not call it "Windows Forever?". Windows 20?. It literally could have been anything, but did a exact copy of Apple using 10 forever just like Apple has been using for years. I just don't get it.
The point being, Microsoft could have called Windows anything!!. It didn't even have to be a number. They've used ME and Vista before which are not a number. Why not call it "Windows Forever?". Windows 20?. It literally could have been anything, but did a exact copy of Apple using 10 forever just like Apple has been using for years. I just don't get it.
^^^ Quite true. I also think the deciding factor was to be at the very least public perception-wise on a par with Apple. I also believe that MS has begun to stop believing it's own PR trash talk, and takes Apple, OSX and especially mobile with iOS "rather seriously" these days and no laughing matter, as with Ball-mer.
There was once a time where I snickered at Mac users, with their one-button mouse and lack-of-understanding about anything technical; seemed that only language labs and art rooms used them. "Get rid of that Mac and get a real computer," I would tell them.
Times have changed.
I do still have one windows machine in the house, but everything else is either MacOS or iOS. The Windows machine runs Windows 7. I hate Windows 8. I refuse to install Windows 10.
My solution is simple; no more Windows machines. Screw Microsoft. Screw 'em! I don't even install VM's any more to run Windows on my Macs.
For now, MacOS. I also see the appeal of Linux, but MacOS serves my needs quite well.
You had a good run, Microsoft. It was nice knowing you. RIP!
I am so glad that I don't allow myself to fall into this pit of "Nothing But X" or "Anything But Y". Regardless of what logo you see as it's booting up, it's a gawddamn operating system, folks.
Its even sadder to read quotes with so much vitriol targeted toward others who will most likely never read it. Only the choir knows how much you hate Microsoft or love Apple...so mustering all of that faux hatred accomplishes nothing.
Meanwhile, Windows 10 is truly great. Not groundbreaking but great. I for one am excited to watch Microsoft FINALLY see the way the world works now. I honestly doubt that 10 will do anything to lift their position in mobile but who knows?
For now, I'm proud of myself for remembering that gadgets are tools. Nothing more.
The point being, Microsoft could have called Windows anything!!. It didn't even have to be a number. They've used ME and Vista before which are not a number. Why not call it "Windows Forever?". Windows 20?. It literally could have been anything, but did a exact copy of Apple using 10 forever just like Apple has been using for years. I just don't get it.
What I took away from that was that Windows 10 was the last "big" version update..... (update a big release every 5 or so years) and move to incremental updates in more of an operating system as a service oriented way. Not that they would call it Windows 10 .... forever. OS X might have started out as a "version" number for a replacement to their old operation system (replace or die scenario) but it is more the name of the operating system now and the version number is the cats, then landmarks along with .1 -> .11 which is the real version numbering now. You are reading to much into 10 being a copy of Apple - it is more of a coincidence than anything. Though to be quite honest I wish they would copy Apple and replace the kernel with a UNIX based kernel with all the BSD utilities as the command window and turf the CMD.exe the drive lettering and all the other legacy stuff.
I can put up with their user interface clutter, but I am really wedded to UNIX/Linux underneath the UI. It would make it so much easier when developing in a similar environment to what I deploy stuff on - and the switching back and forth from the CMD window to the UNIX bash shell is just.... really really annoying.... I would also like something like brew for Windows where I can install utilities and programming environments at the command line.
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AHAHAHAHAH IT’S A BOTNET. There is literally no security, by definition.
I was referring that Windows 10 included new security features that Windows 7 / Windows 8.1 don't have.
How is this a benefit? Phones, tablets, and desktops aren’t the same things. You don’t do the same things on them, use them in the same ways, or have the same experiences on them.
I didn't mentioned phones, since Windows 10 for phones haven't being released and I don't know how it will work. Now, desktop, notebooks and Windows 2 in 1's are a different story. A single OS let me have a update a single update infrastructure for all devices. With group policy I apply polices, and doesn't matter if the users connects from his PC, notebook or Surface, he will have he same documents, printers and security restrictions applied. Plus a user with a Surface can use it as a mobile device and when he gets to the office, dock it and have a full feature desktop. Those are some examples of the benefits I can think of.
That’s like claiming a Froaster using 120v for both the fridge and toaster components is a good thing. True, but overall irrelevant.
Like I posted before, I can use a Surface as a mobile device or as a full featured desktop. If I'm on the road, I use the mobile applications (like mobile version of Office) and when I dock it on the office, I use the full Office 2013 with full access to my documents, files, printer and other network resources. Is that a bad thing?
Eh?
For the first time, Windows 10 support multiple desktop. I think it's good, isn't?
Spartan isn’t that good. At least, the last build of Spartan before release wasn’t that good. No extensions at all, even.
Still, is better than IE and extensions are coming in a future release. Again, is an added benefit over Windows 7 or Windows 8.1
Oh; sure, then.
That’s the nerdiest thing to like about an update I’ve seen in a while.
“But aren’t you just excited about having 8x the vRAM in your new graphics card?”
Yes, shh.
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Oh, wait, really?! REALLY?! None of the betas supported it? Why? Good thing I don’t run a multi setup anymore; I wonder what the beta would have been like with those...
Yeah, but the same is true of castration. Seriously, I did like Spartan a bit. I still use Safari in Windows for most things, though.
That’s the nerdiest thing to like about an update I’ve seen in a while. “But aren’t you just excited about having 8x the vRAM in your new graphics card?”
Yes, shh.
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The original post I was replying mentioned enterprises, and updates are a "nerdy" but important when you deploy 1000's or 100,000's of devices. Do I find it exciting? No. It is a benefit for enterprises? Yes, and a big one. Far more important than "vRAM in my video card". Again, my post was focused in Windows 10 in the enterprise.
Oh, wait, really?! REALLY?! None of the betas supported it? Why? Good thing I don’t run a multi setup anymore; I wonder what the beta would have been like with those...
I specifically said Windows 10, and that include the beta and Preview versions. And I'm talking about virtual desktops, not multi monitor setups.
Last I heard they skipped 9 because it wouldn't sell in Germany.
Can you confirm this, [@]ThePixelDoc[/@]
I think when corporations will agree to update their entire networks the number will grow substantially. How many of these computers are own by a company and managed my sysadmins?
Ya, none of the computers where I work have Windows 10 on them yet! I plan to upgrade them, but I'm waiting until the real, Full complete Windows 10 is released, which looks like October, not this rushed out version MS did to get out before back to School sales. I have the oldest computer in the place by far and it's running Windows XP.
I think if you have Windows 7, you're not in such a rush to upgrade, but Windows 8/8.1, you can't upgrade and toss that garbage fast enough. As for the Privacy stuff, I think a lot of it is just over blown. If you want privacy, you shouldn't even be on the Internet!!! It's a fine line though. Did MS go over it? I don't know. That line is blurring every year for the worse I think. Some company's faster then others.
Do you remember the Gmail Man thing Microsoft did? I don't think MS can pretend they don't do the same these days.
Installed on a new gaming build my son and I did a few weekends ago. So far so good. All the games run well.
I have a High end Windows PC I built early last year. It had Windows 7 Pro on it. I upgraded to Windows 10 Pro. At times now it just crawls for some reason I haven't figured out. To the point the pointer is jerking on screen. It's the same software running in the background as before. Windows 10 was rushed out as a unfinished product to get it out before back to School sales. It was originally not going to be released until later this year. Sure enough there looks to be a big update coming in October!!! Will it fix my issues?!?!?
If you have Windows 7, I'd stick with it for now and wait until October and get the full Release of Windows 10. If you have that crap Windows 8/8.1, Upgrade now!!!!
As much as it would've caused "consternation" here, if MS is to be believed, it truly is their official response and what [@]Tallest Skil[/@] said in a post above:
They used 10 because 9 would have set off flags for Windows 95 and 98 compatibility and broken software.
Microsoft needs only to keep Windows 10 as their flagship OS, so long as new PCs come with it and reasonably recently purchased hardware can run it, the rate of adoption doesn't really matter. They've already said Windows 10 is going to be _the_ version of Windows for the foreseeable future, meaning Windows 10 will get feature upgrades and enhancements while still being labeled "Windows 10." This is presumably to knock off those clinging to old versions, 8, 7, Vista, and XP. Let's say "Windows 10" lasts 5 years as a brand, by the end of that period the majority of PCs will be on it and it doesn't matter how quickly the platform achieved that.
Microsoft would probably prefer to have people wait until the free upgrade period is over anyway, to get people paying to upgrade. But now, they're just building a really solid user base, kind of a win-win for Microsoft.
You don't seem to get it. Windows 10 is the name FOREVER!!!! It won't last 5 years, it's FOREVER!!! Microsoft has gone the Apple Mac OSX naming route!!! Which has been Mac OSX for many years!!! When you buy a new PC or build a new PC, you'll be buying a new copy of Windows 10.
One thing I've learned in life is that forever really isn't that long.
Ah, ok. I thought Windows 9 wouldn't work in Germany:
"Windows nein"
Of course that's true. It would've been in Germany as embarrassing or more so if unaccepted as 8.0/8.1 was.... as a number of "naming faux pas" in the past for a number of products/brands:
http://www.namedevelopment.com/naming-faux-pas.html
For the first time, Windows 10 support multiple desktop. I think it's good, isn't?
To be quite honest I always found multiple desktop virtual environments to be confusing..... but then I have 4 monitors hooked up to my mac pro.
The point being, Microsoft could have called Windows anything!!. It didn't even have to be a number. They've used ME and Vista before which are not a number. Why not call it "Windows Forever?". Windows 20?. It literally could have been anything, but did a exact copy of Apple using 10 forever just like Apple has been using for years. I just don't get it.
^^^ Quite true. I also think the deciding factor was to be at the very least public perception-wise on a par with Apple. I also believe that MS has begun to stop believing it's own PR trash talk, and takes Apple, OSX and especially mobile with iOS "rather seriously" these days and no laughing matter, as with Ball-mer.
There was once a time where I snickered at Mac users, with their one-button mouse and lack-of-understanding about anything technical; seemed that only language labs and art rooms used them. "Get rid of that Mac and get a real computer," I would tell them.
Times have changed.
I do still have one windows machine in the house, but everything else is either MacOS or iOS. The Windows machine runs Windows 7. I hate Windows 8. I refuse to install Windows 10.
My solution is simple; no more Windows machines. Screw Microsoft. Screw 'em! I don't even install VM's any more to run Windows on my Macs.
For now, MacOS. I also see the appeal of Linux, but MacOS serves my needs quite well.
You had a good run, Microsoft. It was nice knowing you. RIP!
I am so glad that I don't allow myself to fall into this pit of "Nothing But X" or "Anything But Y". Regardless of what logo you see as it's booting up, it's a gawddamn operating system, folks.
Its even sadder to read quotes with so much vitriol targeted toward others who will most likely never read it. Only the choir knows how much you hate Microsoft or love Apple...so mustering all of that faux hatred accomplishes nothing.
Meanwhile, Windows 10 is truly great. Not groundbreaking but great. I for one am excited to watch Microsoft FINALLY see the way the world works now. I honestly doubt that 10 will do anything to lift their position in mobile but who knows?
For now, I'm proud of myself for remembering that gadgets are tools. Nothing more.
Yay, me.
It was a joke. Windows 9 is spelled 'Windows nein' in German. 'Nein' meaning 'no' in English.
Internet-connected devices tend to be the ones that are the most relevant these days, and most like to think they’re the only relevant ones.
Nine in German is neun, not nein. Joke needs work
Touché.
The point being, Microsoft could have called Windows anything!!. It didn't even have to be a number. They've used ME and Vista before which are not a number. Why not call it "Windows Forever?". Windows 20?. It literally could have been anything, but did a exact copy of Apple using 10 forever just like Apple has been using for years. I just don't get it.
What I took away from that was that Windows 10 was the last "big" version update..... (update a big release every 5 or so years) and move to incremental updates in more of an operating system as a service oriented way. Not that they would call it Windows 10 .... forever. OS X might have started out as a "version" number for a replacement to their old operation system (replace or die scenario) but it is more the name of the operating system now and the version number is the cats, then landmarks along with .1 -> .11 which is the real version numbering now. You are reading to much into 10 being a copy of Apple - it is more of a coincidence than anything. Though to be quite honest I wish they would copy Apple and replace the kernel with a UNIX based kernel with all the BSD utilities as the command window and turf the CMD.exe the drive lettering and all the other legacy stuff.
I can put up with their user interface clutter, but I am really wedded to UNIX/Linux underneath the UI. It would make it so much easier when developing in a similar environment to what I deploy stuff on - and the switching back and forth from the CMD window to the UNIX bash shell is just.... really really annoying.... I would also like something like brew for Windows where I can install utilities and programming environments at the command line.