Apple unveils $799 12.9" iPad Pro with Smart Keyboard and Apple Pencil accessories

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  • Reply 121 of 235
    I think this comic is now more appropriate than ever:
    https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/1423139397987591345.jpg
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  • Reply 122 of 235
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    Originally Posted by Vision33r View Post

     

     

    I'm sure a $100 pencil is nice for those that need it.  But in today's world of office workers, who still writes with a pen or pencil for a living?

     

    It's a very niche market so I would expect fewer people would use it and more people now would call for a mouse or touchpad for use with iPad pro.

     

    Personally I think the price point Apple is asking is very close to getting a 12" MB which give you a better keyboard and trackpad.




    Actually, from what I understood in the Keynote, the keys are the same butterfly mechanism that are being used on the MacBook. The only difference would be the fully covered cloth (?) keyboard as opposed to individual plastic keys.

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  • Reply 123 of 235
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    Please provide a link to an Apple made keyboard case prior to the Surface being released.



    It's just ironic that this iPad Pro takes so many cues from the Surface and looked a lot like it too especially after Apple has justifiably gone after others who make products that look like Apple's



    I'm not sure how important the distinction between keyboard docks and keyboard covers is, but Apple's first iPad had an available Apple keyboard dock from day one...

     

    http://www.amazon.com/Apple-iPad-Keyboard-Dock-Package/dp/B0040HEMP8

     

    So, if the argument is that Apple just recently admitted the value of a physical keyboard, that's simply not true.

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  • Reply 124 of 235
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    Originally Posted by ascii View Post

     

    Because the magnetic connector slides in a tiny bit easier than a Lightning one, and for Jony Ive that is reason enough to make a whole new port?




    Is this a discussion of the keyboard port? Because as someone who has docked both an iPhone 6 Plus and an iPad into a clock radio, the Lightning connector is not reliable when it has to support a lot of weight, and with a standup screen, all the pressure would be working against the connector.

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  • Reply 125 of 235
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member

    One thing they didn't talk about with the Pencil is how they avoid unintentional touches with the drawing hand. Anyone who has used real art pencils knows that resting one's hand on the artwork is often necessary to stabilize the pencil for precise work. In real pencil art they make a one or two fingered glove to avoid smudging the art with your little finger. Perhaps they need something like that to prevent touches while using the pencil. In the video demonstrations everyone was holding the pencil free in the air without touching the screen with their hand. It is incredibly difficult to draw like that. In one video they were using a straight edge but not directly touching the screen.

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  • Reply 126 of 235
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    One thing they didn't talk about with the Pencil is how they avoid unintentional touches with the drawing hand. Anyone who has used real art pencils knows that resting one's hand on the artwork is often necessary to stabilize the pencil for precise work. In real pencil art they make a one or two fingered glove to avoid smudging the art with you little finger. Perhaps they need something like that to prevent touches while using the pencil. In the video demonstrations everyone was hold the pencil free in the air without touching the screen with their hand. It is incredibly difficult to draw like that. In one video they were using a straight edge but not directly touching the screen.




    Actually, as someone who uses a stylus on an iPad, I was definitely looking and I thought there was one shot where the operator was resting his hand on the screen. Considering that current BT styluses offer palm rejection, I have to think that Apple has some version of it as well.

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  • Reply 127 of 235
    nikon133nikon133 Posts: 2,600member
    sog35 wrote: »
    devil is in the details.

    The ApplePencil is far better than a standard stylus.

    iPad had keyboards way before the Surface came out.

    Surface Stylus is not really standard stylus, though...
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  • Reply 128 of 235
    nikon133nikon133 Posts: 2,600member

    Really? You've used one? There are some gold standard excellent Wacom products out there that have been doing the same thing for a long time. 

    I agree, it's largely Apple's answer to the Surface (and maybe the death of the Air) and I want one, with the pencil. It's certainly better in every way by comparison, but let's not make claims out of thin air just yet.

    ( I don't see ForceTouch...interesting)

    I would expect that OP was referring to those "dumb" styli that you can use with any tablet and smartphone (without proper stylus support). You know, those that simulate fingertip...
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  • Reply 129 of 235
    This iPad looks fantastic. However, and I may be alone here, but until the iPad gets its own operating system, iOS simply cannot perform the tasks that I regularly use my MacBook Air for. A mobile operating system I believe does not do this iPad justice, and I feel the new iPad deserves its own OS.
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  • Reply 130 of 235
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
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    Originally Posted by elehcdn View Post

     



    Actually, as someone who uses a stylus on an iPad, I was definitely looking and I thought there was one shot where the operator was resting his hand on the screen. Considering that current BT styluses offer palm rejection, I have to think that Apple has some version of it as well.




    At time code 30:48 of the video, Jony says that it can be used simultaneously with the finger. Not sure what that means but right after that the video shows what appears to be two really brief scenes of the artist resting the drawing hand on the screen.

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  • Reply 131 of 235
    rogifanrogifan Posts: 10,669member
    mstone wrote: »
    One thing they didn't talk about with the Pencil is how they avoid unintentional touches with the drawing hand. Anyone who has used real art pencils knows that resting one's hand on the artwork is often necessary to stabilize the pencil for precise work. In real pencil art they make a one or two fingered glove to avoid smudging the art with your little finger. Perhaps they need something like that to prevent touches while using the pencil. In the video demonstrations everyone was holding the pencil free in the air without touching the screen with their hand. It is incredibly difficult to draw like that. In one video they were using a straight edge but not directly touching the screen.

    According to one of the writers at Mashable the iPad Pro does have palm rest detection. I saw it in my Twitter feed.
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  • Reply 132 of 235
    vision33r wrote: »

    And of course you know why SJ made that statement at that time, right? Because "at that time" using a stylus was the easy cheap way out for not figuring out how to do mult-touch on a device smaller than a billiards table... that's why. SJ equated a stylus with being a lazy developer. He loathed laziness in tech as much as I do with commentary.
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  • Reply 133 of 235
    This iPad looks fantastic. However, and I may be alone here, but until the iPad gets its own operating system, iOS simply cannot perform the tasks that I regularly use my MacBook Air for. A mobile operating system I believe does not do this iPad justice, and I feel the new iPad deserves its own OS.

    Actually there's a ton of apps that facilitate a file system now with access to servers, NAS, desktop, but I expect extensions on OS9 will offer even better integratin with "Save To..." within each productivity/creative app to your desination of choice, including the popular cloud services.
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    rogifanrogifan Posts: 10,669member
    And of course you know why SJ made that statement at that time, right? Because "at that time" using a stylus was the easy cheap way out for not figuring out how to do mult-touch on a device smaller than a billiards table... that's why. SJ equated a stylus with being a lazy developer. He loathed laziness in tech as much as I do with commentary.

    I wonder if people are just being willfully obtuse or really don't get what Steve meant.
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  • Reply 135 of 235
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    Actually there's a ton of apps that facilitate a file system now with access to servers, NAS, desktop, but I expect extensions on OS9 will offer even better integratin with "Save To..." within each productivity/creative app to your desination of choice, including the popular cloud services.



    And for a lot of corporations now, the trend is to move documents up to the cloud - to make document sharing easier and to provide for backup security. Of course, this is probably more of a trend in Silicon Valley, but that is probably one of the reasons that Apple has never been particularly concerned with local storage.

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  • Reply 136 of 235
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    rogifan wrote: »
    And of course you know why SJ made that statement at that time, right? Because "at that time" using a stylus was the easy cheap way out for not figuring out how to do mult-touch on a device smaller than a billiards table... that's why. SJ equated a stylus with being a lazy developer. He loathed laziness in tech as much as I do with commentary.

    I wonder if people are just being willfully obtuse or really don't get what Steve meant.

    Don't know how people read into anything that's a statement in absolute as to mean something else. How many different meanings can there be for "nobody wants a stylus"?
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  • Reply 137 of 235
    mac_128mac_128 Posts: 3,454member
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    Originally Posted by Haggar View Post

     

    Can it be charged by devices other than iPad Pro?

     

    Will it work with iPhone 6S Plus?


    I'd like to know that as well ... does it require 3D Touch? Or, will it work in some limited capacity with any recent iOS device?

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  • Reply 138 of 235
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    Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post





    I wonder if people are just being willfully obtuse or really don't get what Steve meant.



    What Steve meant was that you didn't want an operating system that required a stylus to work. Maybe people forget that back in the early mobile device days (i.e.. Palm Pilots) the digitizers were so primitive, you had to use a stylus to get a point that the digitizer could recognize.

     

    On the iPad Pro, it is still operational with just a finger, but for more precision, a stylus is now an OPTION. That doesn't preclude the fact that without a stylus, you still have more than 95% functionality. Compare that to the arguments about the Surface and the keyboard ... after all how functional is the Surface without a keyboard?

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  • Reply 139 of 235
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    What Steve meant was that you didn't want an operating system that required a stylus to work. Maybe people forget that back in the early mobile device days (i.e.. Palm Pilots) the digitizers were so primitive, you had to use a stylus to get a point that the digitizer could recognize.

     

    On the iPad Pro, it is still operational with just a finger, but for more precision, a stylus is now an OPTION. That doesn't preclude the fact that without a stylus, you still have more than 95% functionality. Compare that to the arguments about the Surface and the keyboard ... after all how functional is the Surface without a keyboard?




    Yes. Good points.

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  • Reply 140 of 235
    What fraction of 1.57 is 1.57?
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