Now you sound like those people that say what Apple does is obvious when it's not.
What Apple has done since Jobs' death has been very steadily predictable. I'm a long time Mac user and stood on line for many of their new product launches and haven't done it since SJ passed away.
Could have sworn that Apple had a patent for a keyboard+cover long before Microsoft made the Surface and that Microsoft licensed it to make said product.
The Surface isn't an iPad clone because Windows tablet existed more than 10 years ago with the same form factor.
Microsoft owned the tablet market back in early 2000 with Windows XP Tablet edition. It was bulky, slow, and people often attached keyboards to it and touchpads or trackballs too. I've had one of the early IBM Thinkpad XT200 hybrids way before the iPad came out.
So should I say the iPad is a Windows Tablet clone? I'm not gonna say it because ideas have been copied back and forth but Apple has rejected the idea of Surface Pro as Tim Cook said it has compromises.
And while MS designed the interface, they did not design any hardware. They didn't necessarily have a good concept of tablet computing, all they were doing was enabling pen support on their operating system (and I know because I went through numerous attempts at using this "technology").
Once again, to me the issue is that a tablet is designed to be primarily a handheld device, which limits the use of a keyboard since once you add a physical keyboard, you have to use the device on a tabletop. While it is true that the iPad Pro adds the option of a keyboard, the genesis of the interface is still a touch based interface. When I look at a Surface, I see a laptop that can be sort of used when you remove the keyboard, but the primary operating mode is as a desktop (or laptop, although even that is debatable because of stability issues). That makes the Surface more like a convertible than a tablet.
How can they patent something that existed almost 10 years ago?
Plus, Apple and Microsoft has called a truce in patent litigation. Their common enemy is Android.
Actually, to be factually correct, the first patent includes a thin flexible display which Apple never implemented. The 2nd patent is much closer with the folding arrangement mentioned, but it also supposedly includes some sort of touchpad, which is not implemented on the current keyboard. So the truth is that neither the original SmartCover or the new iPad Pro keyboard really is described in the patents ... some elements are, but they are not the exclusive features that are patentable.
That is up to Apple! Even I'm a little surprised by the big jump in performance alluded to here. If A9X actually delivers the figures quoted this will be a very nice machine and probably outperform the Mac Book
The A9X chip is simply kiss-ass. What a leap in performance cpu and gpu! Be interested to see Geek Benches. At this rate of going Apple is going to hunt down Intel.
Interesting stat that Phill Schill' mentioned. Way faster than 80% of laptops shipped in the last year. That's an astonishing fact. If we get another leap like that for the A10X then its 'Getting reading to Rumble!' Desktop class indeed!
I'm drooling over the iPad Pro. The Apple 'Pencil' is the stylus we've all been waiting for with super precise scanning, tilt, pressure, pixel point accuracy. A digital artist's wet dream! Procreate and iPad Pro. Heaven.
And I wonder with 'astro' if you can hook it up to your 'iMac' to draw on your Mac apps eg. Manga Studio, Affinity Photo...
Stunning 12.9 screen. Stunning stylus. This is the 'Mac' for the rest of us.
And this is just the Rev A version. That A9X is just POW-UR!
Or maybe Apple come to their senses, and instead of showing a poor demo with the iWorks apps, called MS to save the day. I think that would make more sense.
Or business folks hate change and rather use Office. No day was needing saving.
He's not alive to tell us what he meant, so don't flatter yourself thinking that you know. Stylus or pencil is just semantics. Changing the name changes nothing.
Please. Taking a quote out of context and from 5 years ago is stupid.
Hardware looks great, but I am worried about the limitations of iOS in the enterprise. As long as there is no decent file manager on iOS for the data files, (not for the the internal OS stuff because that is irrelevant) I remain skeptical about deep penetration in the enterprise. In the past I tried to use an iPad only for managing my company, but it was virtually impossible to get organized. The one folder deep per app approach failed miserably for the 600 files I needed to access on a daily basis. Give the iPad Pro OSX and I am sold.
OS X is unworkable on a tablet with touch. The menus, Dock, windowed UI with resize buttons, drag and drop, UI scale. This is the line between requiring a stylus (or other input) and being able to throw these inputs away and do everything with touch. If you use a Microsoft Surface only with touch input, you will reach a point where it is frustrating to use.
They could rework OS X a bit to get rid of the windowed UI and menu bar but you would still need an on-screen cursor, which just looks so out of place. Even on the desktop, I wish it could be replaced with a better system because it's inaccurate. If you look at the ?TV when it selects items, it doesn't use a pointer but changes the item's highlight state. There would be no more clicking on a filesystem name, having it think you want to edit the name, hitting space bar for QuickLook and replacing the name with a space instead of opening it in QuickLook. You would highlight items and edit names in a more absolute way.
Putting a filesystem on iOS is easy (there are apps that do it already) but they shouldn't call it that e.g Files or Documents because they want to get away from the idea of data being a standalone entity. They can do this by abstracting it into a system with a purpose. A filesystem manager is just a store for files and it's up to you how to deal with it, which gives you the freedom to make as much of a mess of it as you want. It doesn't encourage good habits by default, quite the opposite.
They could come up with a system-level component called Projects or Collections. Projects suits the 'Pro' moniker a bit more. It can swipe in from the side like the two-app view but would be a vertical list of groups. Inside these groups can be whatever people want but they should limit the nesting level. This would start out blank. You wouldn't be allowed to drop files straight into it without creating a group. This means the initial view is always uncluttered with no random filetypes together and it means they can sandbox project access.
Once a group is created, then files can be added to it. This would also have a link to the Mac. So when you have your iPad near the Mac (or within AirDrop range), swipe open the Projects and it will be accessible to the Mac for both read and write and this can be authorized with touch id. On the Mac, it would list all the project folders or just the ones you specified, which can be narrowed down by a search and you can drop images, files, movies, PDFs into the group and they are immediately usable on the iPad.
If you have an image editing app open for example and need some source material and you have it on the Mac:
- swipe open Projects on the iPad, create a new project
- put the iPad near the Mac and look for that project
- drop the content from the Mac over to it
- take the iPad and you can do batch select of all the images in the project folder and there can be a button at the top to import these into the app
Once you have done the work in the image editing app, you would be allowed to save out to the project folder. This can be sandboxed by the app you created the project in with options to allow other apps access to them. This can keep the Projects sidebar less cluttered by default because it can hide projects you've create in other apps with an option to show them all and manually allow access to another app.
With the project complete, this finished work can be transferred to the Mac the same way, just put the iPad close and drag the image out of the project folder on the Mac.
The most popular use of this would likely be for downloaded movies where someone just make a project called movies and drops a bunch of torrented movies to open in a movie player but it also lets movie editors work a bit more efficiently. You could have a bunch of clips taken from a high-end camera and imported them onto the Mac in ProRes along with proxies. Just opening up a project on the Mac, you can quickly drop proxies onto the iPad and go out the door with it. Then you can be arranging the clips in the movie editor (Final Cut can eventually make it to the iPad). You don't even have to save out a finished ProRes (although this should be an option), you can save out a project file that when it's put back on the Mac opens the edit in FCPX with the non-proxy footage. Further edits made to this on the Mac should be able to be transferred back to the iPad and switch to proxies and warn about any missing proxy files when the project is being transferred.
This does mean that things like movie project folders will have audio files, video files, images, possibly text documents all mixed in together but it will never get like normal filesystems where they can end up in complete disarray. The system will encourage you to keep it tidy from the outset by giving you a reason to make a group of files.
Apple has to be careful about restricting dynamic code being put into the system that can crash apps and cause damage to the system itself but they can do this with an import API that imports files into apps to open.
If someone deletes an app, it can ask to also delete projects created from within the app and list all associated projects and it can ask to assign kept ones to another app.
Projects can be backed up to iCloud too with version control but possibly with size limits and file type limits so that it's not trying to backup movies regularly.
OS X is unworkable on a tablet with touch. The menus, Dock, windowed UI with resize buttons, drag and drop, UI scale. This is the line between requiring a stylus (or other input) and being able to throw these inputs away and do everything with touch. If you use a Microsoft Surface only with touch input, you will reach a point where it is frustrating to use.
They could rework OS X a bit to get rid of the windowed UI and menu bar but you would still need an on-screen cursor, which just looks so out of place. Even on the desktop, I wish it could be replaced with a better system because it's inaccurate. If you look at the ?TV when it selects items, it doesn't use a pointer but changes the item's highlight state. There would be no more clicking on a filesystem name, having it think you want to edit the name, hitting space bar for QuickLook and replacing the name with a space instead of opening it in QuickLook. You would highlight items and edit names in a more absolute way.
Every time I see the Launchpad in OS X, I feel like swiping and tapping my finger on the screen.
So what was old, and ridiculed is now new, and cool because Apple makes it, and let's not use any SJ quote because they're all old.
No it was actually 8 years ago and said about the original iPhone. You have to see that dredging it up 8 years later and attempting to apply it to a tablet that is what... 20X larger and intended for graphics, scientific and engineering professionals (as precision input not just interface point and click) as some kind of "fail" is colossally stupid.
You have to be able to recognize that, or perhaps you do, and are just trolling...
If what is being shown is true (no lag stylus (every surface I have ever tried lags badly on complex or large brushes), ability to edit several 4k streams (even the i7 surface eventually chokes editing a single 4k clip) And Stylus tilt sensitivity (The surface pro's stylus does not recognize tilt (a key feature for graphics professionals)) Add to that the 10-12 hour run time is twice what you get on a surface (and what...nearly twice the screen) and you would have to be a fool to choose a microsoft surface (over the iPad pro)
Apple, in one deft swoop, just removed all of the (slight) market traction MS was beginning to get with the surface. It will go back to only apple hater'spurchasing surfaces (just like with MS's phone attempts)
Putting a filesystem on iOS is easy (there are apps that do it already) but they shouldn't call it that e.g Files or Documents because they want to get away from the idea of data being a standalone entity. They can do this by abstracting it into a system with a purpose. A filesystem manager is just a store for files and it's up to you how to deal with it, which gives you the freedom to make as much of a mess of it as you want. It doesn't encourage good habits by default, quite the opposite.
They could come up with a system-level component called Projects or Collections. Projects suits the 'Pro' moniker a bit more. It can swipe in from the side like the two-app view but would be a vertical list of groups. Inside these groups can be whatever people want but they should limit the nesting level. This would start out blank. You wouldn't be allowed to drop files straight into it without creating a group. This means the initial view is always uncluttered with no random filetypes together and it means they can sandbox project access.
That is the main issue. Apple has a pretty good idea about the best practices for managing the documents of an end-user, but it cannot apply the same methodology in a business environment. If the best and most efficient translation of my business processes into a folder structure is 4 levels deep with apparently unrelated files grouped together, Apple should respect that if it wants to make an iPad a real enterprise device.
Good habits are nice, but efficient business processes are crucial, and sometimes the correlation between the two is rather low. Most of the documents I need to run my business are created by others or generated by an IT process. It is not economical in a reactive environment to adapt the software of the IT processes or to ask other people the change their way of working, just to make sure I could consult these documents in a efficient way on my iPad. That is one step too far.
So what was old, and ridiculed is now new, and cool because Apple makes it, and let's not use any SJ quote because they're all old.
No it was actually 8 years ago and said about the original iPhone. You have to see that dredging it up 8 years later and attempting to apply it to a tablet that is what... 20X larger and intended for graphics, scientific and engineering professionals (as precision input not just interface point and click) as some kind of "fail" is colossally stupid.
You have to be able to recognize that, or perhaps you do, and are just trolling...
If what is being shown is true (no lag stylus (every surface I have ever tried lags badly on complex or large brushes), ability to edit several 4k streams (even the i7 surface eventually chokes editing a single 4k clip) And Stylus tilt sensitivity (<span style="line-height:1.4em;">The surface pro's stylus does not recognize tilt (a key feature for graphics professionals)) Add to that the 10-12 hour run time is twice what you get on a surface (and what...nearly twice the screen) and you would have to be a fool to choose a microsoft surface (over the </span>
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Specifically about the iPad he said "if you see a stylus, they blew it". The operative word being see as opposed to need which everyone claims he meant. Using 'need' would've left the possibility of specific use cases, but he used 'see' which eliminates all use cases.
Personally I like what they did, and agree with you about the Surface being in trouble. Ultimately SJ was wrong, there can be a stylus without blowing it.
Based in the link, they only showed Keynote. That was in February, and 7 months later they don't even mentioned any of the iWorks apps. Things change so quickly.
Keynote is the only decent part of iWorks, matching the MS Office equivalent. I like Keynote a lot, but Pages looks pale next to MS Word and Numbers just sucks beyond repair.
In a business environment I would never mention iWorks
Or business folks that need to do business and iWorks is not enough for them, be it in an Pad or OS X. At least MS save the day...
Eeeeehh... I don't know about that, Keynote is better than powerpoint in almost every metric (in any sane persons mind anyway ) Word certainly has some power features that aren't in pages, but I think pages is a far more intuitive and better page layout abilities (so, better for newsletters and desktop publishing projects) and they both can easily handle 90% of what business people normally use a WP for.
Lastly is numbers and excel, they certainly aren't at feature parity... Vastly different packages, numbers is considerably better at complex layout (and is more intuitive to run) Excel has greater function functionality (yes I said that)
But isn't really the duck shoot you are portraying it as.
I think MS (application division) sees MS hardware failing almost everywhere (ms phone & tablets) and even windows on the decline. Enterprise, once the ms stronghold are viewing windows PC's as the past and leveraging iOS more and more and virtualizing (literally) windows to run on a remote server (if at all) I would think they (ms applications division) would be thrilled to be asked to participate (in early development opportunities) and to showcase new wares for the iPad. And lets not forget MS (again application division) was, at least partially, responsible for the initial success of the Macintosh against IBM PC (word & multiplan and then Excel)
Eeeeehh... I don't know about that, Keynote is better than powerpoint in almost every metric (in any sane persons mind anyway )
I haven't seen any comparison of PowerPoint 2016 and Keynote. I'll comment when I see it or when I try both, since I don't use it frequently.
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Word certainly has some power features that aren't in pages, but I think pages is a far more intuitive and better page layout abilities (so, better for newsletters and desktop publishing projects) and they both can easily handle 90% of what business people normally use a WP for.
Those power features you mention are the things that make Word the best options in business and people still prefer it over Pages even though it does 90% of what business people need (I don't know where that number came from, but since you mentioned it, let's say it's true)
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Lastly is numbers and excel, they certainly aren't at feature parity... Vastly different packages, numbers is considerably better at complex layout (and is more intuitive to run) Excel has greater function functionality (yes I said that)
But isn't really the duck shoot you are portraying it as.
Excel over Numbers is an easy one, so I won't comment of it.
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I think MS (application division) sees MS hardware failing almost everywhere (ms phone & tablets) and even windows on the decline.
What you think of MS hardware is no true at all. While WP is doing bad, Surface Pro business is growing in a market that tablets, including iPad, have been down quickly for many quarters. And Windows in decline still very good considering how Windows 10 adoption is doing, and closing to all OS X versions quickly.
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Enterprise, once the ms stronghold are viewing windows PC's as the past and leveraging iOS more and more and virtualizing (literally) windows to run on a remote server (if at all) I would think they (ms applications division) would be thrilled to be asked to participate (in early development opportunities) and to showcase new wares for the iPad. And lets not forget MS (again application division) was, at least partially, responsible for the initial success of the Macintosh against IBM PC (word & multiplan and then Excel)
I don't know how PC sales are doing in the enterprise (still are doing better than Mac's and even iPad's), but what I know is that other applications and, specially cloud services are growing quickly. When Apple sell an iOS device, MS up-sells with Office, server applications, databases, portals, enterprise social networks, messaging, voice services, CRM, ERP, MDM and services in Azure. If you saw the Apple keynote, MS was presented with the term "productivity", and I'm sure business and enterprise agree with that line, specially when you compare that to what Apple offers. MS still owns the enterprise.
DanVM you are a true MS cheerleader. The shame for MS is that you are a dwindling species.
Things aren't staying the same, and Apple just knocked the crutch out from under the surface. So while I agree it has managed some market traction recently (and it is the only hardware that has and it wasn't that spectacular) now that ramp has has been covered in teflon in that most all the traction it once had is now gone.
Most in enterprise view MS's "windows everywhere" as the past and light (mobile) clients and virtualizing windows for legacy support (when necessary) as the future.The "MS lock-in" days are over. And yes they still manage to sell a lot of windows (with what 95% market share (a decade ago) they have quite a bit of momentum.) But, down is down and they are heading down. Funny thing about momentum, change takes far longer than you think it would, and then happens faster than you can believe. (as examples you can point to LP's, CD's Video tapes and now DVD's) Windows is beginning to turn that corner and I don't see any new & different thinking coming out of redmond to fill that widening crevice.
Specifically about the iPad he said "if you see a stylus, they blew it". The operative word being see as opposed to need which everyone claims he meant. Using 'need' would've left the possibility of specific use cases, but he used 'see' which eliminates all use cases.
Personally I like what they did, and agree with you about the Surface being in trouble. Ultimately SJ was wrong, there can be a stylus without blowing it.
Gimme a break. Do you really think he meant that a stylus has no use whatsoever?
And when Jobs says something is shit, do you think he meant it's feces?
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Now you sound like those people that say what Apple does is obvious when it's not.
What Apple has done since Jobs' death has been very steadily predictable. I'm a long time Mac user and stood on line for many of their new product launches and haven't done it since SJ passed away.
Could have sworn that Apple had a patent for a keyboard+cover long before Microsoft made the Surface and that Microsoft licensed it to make said product.
Edit: YEP. THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED.
And another, it seems, later, which turned more directly into the product they made.
How can they patent something that existed almost 10 years ago?
Plus, Apple and Microsoft has called a truce in patent litigation. Their common enemy is Android.
The Surface isn't an iPad clone because Windows tablet existed more than 10 years ago with the same form factor.
Microsoft owned the tablet market back in early 2000 with Windows XP Tablet edition. It was bulky, slow, and people often attached keyboards to it and touchpads or trackballs too. I've had one of the early IBM Thinkpad XT200 hybrids way before the iPad came out.
So should I say the iPad is a Windows Tablet clone? I'm not gonna say it because ideas have been copied back and forth but Apple has rejected the idea of Surface Pro as Tim Cook said it has compromises.
And while MS designed the interface, they did not design any hardware. They didn't necessarily have a good concept of tablet computing, all they were doing was enabling pen support on their operating system (and I know because I went through numerous attempts at using this "technology").
Once again, to me the issue is that a tablet is designed to be primarily a handheld device, which limits the use of a keyboard since once you add a physical keyboard, you have to use the device on a tabletop. While it is true that the iPad Pro adds the option of a keyboard, the genesis of the interface is still a touch based interface. When I look at a Surface, I see a laptop that can be sort of used when you remove the keyboard, but the primary operating mode is as a desktop (or laptop, although even that is debatable because of stability issues). That makes the Surface more like a convertible than a tablet.
How can they patent something that existed almost 10 years ago?
Plus, Apple and Microsoft has called a truce in patent litigation. Their common enemy is Android.
Actually, to be factually correct, the first patent includes a thin flexible display which Apple never implemented. The 2nd patent is much closer with the folding arrangement mentioned, but it also supposedly includes some sort of touchpad, which is not implemented on the current keyboard. So the truth is that neither the original SmartCover or the new iPad Pro keyboard really is described in the patents ... some elements are, but they are not the exclusive features that are patentable.
That is up to Apple! Even I'm a little surprised by the big jump in performance alluded to here. If A9X actually delivers the figures quoted this will be a very nice machine and probably outperform the Mac Book
The A9X chip is simply kiss-ass. What a leap in performance cpu and gpu! Be interested to see Geek Benches. At this rate of going Apple is going to hunt down Intel.
Interesting stat that Phill Schill' mentioned. Way faster than 80% of laptops shipped in the last year. That's an astonishing fact. If we get another leap like that for the A10X then its 'Getting reading to Rumble!' Desktop class indeed!
I'm drooling over the iPad Pro. The Apple 'Pencil' is the stylus we've all been waiting for with super precise scanning, tilt, pressure, pixel point accuracy. A digital artist's wet dream! Procreate and iPad Pro. Heaven.
And I wonder with 'astro' if you can hook it up to your 'iMac' to draw on your Mac apps eg. Manga Studio, Affinity Photo...
Stunning 12.9 screen. Stunning stylus. This is the 'Mac' for the rest of us.
And this is just the Rev A version. That A9X is just POW-UR!
Lemon Bon Bon.
$799. What's that in Pounds? £550? That would be a bargain!
Lemon Bon Bon.
You don't know Steve. And someone already posted Gates's Macworld appearance.
Is Apple 2.0 conveniently after Jobs return and the MacWorld event?
Jobs also switched to Intel chips. Weren't they part of the Wintel monopoly?
Or business folks hate change and rather use Office. No day was needing saving.
Please. Taking a quote out of context and from 5 years ago is stupid.
The standard seems to change depending on which company people are talking about.
Apple created the Surface’s main feature, Microsoft licensed it, and now Apple is making their own.
So what was old, and ridiculed is now new, and cool because Apple makes it, and let's not use any SJ quote because they're all old.
OS X is unworkable on a tablet with touch. The menus, Dock, windowed UI with resize buttons, drag and drop, UI scale. This is the line between requiring a stylus (or other input) and being able to throw these inputs away and do everything with touch. If you use a Microsoft Surface only with touch input, you will reach a point where it is frustrating to use.
They could rework OS X a bit to get rid of the windowed UI and menu bar but you would still need an on-screen cursor, which just looks so out of place. Even on the desktop, I wish it could be replaced with a better system because it's inaccurate. If you look at the ?TV when it selects items, it doesn't use a pointer but changes the item's highlight state. There would be no more clicking on a filesystem name, having it think you want to edit the name, hitting space bar for QuickLook and replacing the name with a space instead of opening it in QuickLook. You would highlight items and edit names in a more absolute way.
Putting a filesystem on iOS is easy (there are apps that do it already) but they shouldn't call it that e.g Files or Documents because they want to get away from the idea of data being a standalone entity. They can do this by abstracting it into a system with a purpose. A filesystem manager is just a store for files and it's up to you how to deal with it, which gives you the freedom to make as much of a mess of it as you want. It doesn't encourage good habits by default, quite the opposite.
They could come up with a system-level component called Projects or Collections. Projects suits the 'Pro' moniker a bit more. It can swipe in from the side like the two-app view but would be a vertical list of groups. Inside these groups can be whatever people want but they should limit the nesting level. This would start out blank. You wouldn't be allowed to drop files straight into it without creating a group. This means the initial view is always uncluttered with no random filetypes together and it means they can sandbox project access.
Once a group is created, then files can be added to it. This would also have a link to the Mac. So when you have your iPad near the Mac (or within AirDrop range), swipe open the Projects and it will be accessible to the Mac for both read and write and this can be authorized with touch id. On the Mac, it would list all the project folders or just the ones you specified, which can be narrowed down by a search and you can drop images, files, movies, PDFs into the group and they are immediately usable on the iPad.
If you have an image editing app open for example and need some source material and you have it on the Mac:
- swipe open Projects on the iPad, create a new project
- put the iPad near the Mac and look for that project
- drop the content from the Mac over to it
- take the iPad and you can do batch select of all the images in the project folder and there can be a button at the top to import these into the app
Once you have done the work in the image editing app, you would be allowed to save out to the project folder. This can be sandboxed by the app you created the project in with options to allow other apps access to them. This can keep the Projects sidebar less cluttered by default because it can hide projects you've create in other apps with an option to show them all and manually allow access to another app.
With the project complete, this finished work can be transferred to the Mac the same way, just put the iPad close and drag the image out of the project folder on the Mac.
The most popular use of this would likely be for downloaded movies where someone just make a project called movies and drops a bunch of torrented movies to open in a movie player but it also lets movie editors work a bit more efficiently. You could have a bunch of clips taken from a high-end camera and imported them onto the Mac in ProRes along with proxies. Just opening up a project on the Mac, you can quickly drop proxies onto the iPad and go out the door with it. Then you can be arranging the clips in the movie editor (Final Cut can eventually make it to the iPad). You don't even have to save out a finished ProRes (although this should be an option), you can save out a project file that when it's put back on the Mac opens the edit in FCPX with the non-proxy footage. Further edits made to this on the Mac should be able to be transferred back to the iPad and switch to proxies and warn about any missing proxy files when the project is being transferred.
This does mean that things like movie project folders will have audio files, video files, images, possibly text documents all mixed in together but it will never get like normal filesystems where they can end up in complete disarray. The system will encourage you to keep it tidy from the outset by giving you a reason to make a group of files.
Apple has to be careful about restricting dynamic code being put into the system that can crash apps and cause damage to the system itself but they can do this with an import API that imports files into apps to open.
If someone deletes an app, it can ask to also delete projects created from within the app and list all associated projects and it can ask to assign kept ones to another app.
Projects can be backed up to iCloud too with version control but possibly with size limits and file type limits so that it's not trying to backup movies regularly.
OS X is unworkable on a tablet with touch. The menus, Dock, windowed UI with resize buttons, drag and drop, UI scale. This is the line between requiring a stylus (or other input) and being able to throw these inputs away and do everything with touch. If you use a Microsoft Surface only with touch input, you will reach a point where it is frustrating to use.
They could rework OS X a bit to get rid of the windowed UI and menu bar but you would still need an on-screen cursor, which just looks so out of place. Even on the desktop, I wish it could be replaced with a better system because it's inaccurate. If you look at the ?TV when it selects items, it doesn't use a pointer but changes the item's highlight state. There would be no more clicking on a filesystem name, having it think you want to edit the name, hitting space bar for QuickLook and replacing the name with a space instead of opening it in QuickLook. You would highlight items and edit names in a more absolute way.
Every time I see the Launchpad in OS X, I feel like swiping and tapping my finger on the screen.
So what was old, and ridiculed is now new, and cool because Apple makes it, and let's not use any SJ quote because they're all old.
No it was actually 8 years ago and said about the original iPhone. You have to see that dredging it up 8 years later and attempting to apply it to a tablet that is what... 20X larger and intended for graphics, scientific and engineering professionals (as precision input not just interface point and click) as some kind of "fail" is colossally stupid.
You have to be able to recognize that, or perhaps you do, and are just trolling...
If what is being shown is true (no lag stylus (every surface I have ever tried lags badly on complex or large brushes), ability to edit several 4k streams (even the i7 surface eventually chokes editing a single 4k clip) And Stylus tilt sensitivity (The surface pro's stylus does not recognize tilt (a key feature for graphics professionals)) Add to that the 10-12 hour run time is twice what you get on a surface (and what...nearly twice the screen) and you would have to be a fool to choose a microsoft surface (over the iPad pro)
Apple, in one deft swoop, just removed all of the (slight) market traction MS was beginning to get with the surface. It will go back to only apple hater's purchasing surfaces (just like with MS's phone attempts)
Or business folks hate change and rather use Office. No day was needing saving.
Or business folks that need to do business and iWorks is not enough for them, be it in an Pad or OS X. At least MS save the day...
Putting a filesystem on iOS is easy (there are apps that do it already) but they shouldn't call it that e.g Files or Documents because they want to get away from the idea of data being a standalone entity. They can do this by abstracting it into a system with a purpose. A filesystem manager is just a store for files and it's up to you how to deal with it, which gives you the freedom to make as much of a mess of it as you want. It doesn't encourage good habits by default, quite the opposite.
They could come up with a system-level component called Projects or Collections. Projects suits the 'Pro' moniker a bit more. It can swipe in from the side like the two-app view but would be a vertical list of groups. Inside these groups can be whatever people want but they should limit the nesting level. This would start out blank. You wouldn't be allowed to drop files straight into it without creating a group. This means the initial view is always uncluttered with no random filetypes together and it means they can sandbox project access.
That is the main issue. Apple has a pretty good idea about the best practices for managing the documents of an end-user, but it cannot apply the same methodology in a business environment. If the best and most efficient translation of my business processes into a folder structure is 4 levels deep with apparently unrelated files grouped together, Apple should respect that if it wants to make an iPad a real enterprise device.
Good habits are nice, but efficient business processes are crucial, and sometimes the correlation between the two is rather low. Most of the documents I need to run my business are created by others or generated by an IT process. It is not economical in a reactive environment to adapt the software of the IT processes or to ask other people the change their way of working, just to make sure I could consult these documents in a efficient way on my iPad. That is one step too far.
Specifically about the iPad he said "if you see a stylus, they blew it". The operative word being see as opposed to need which everyone claims he meant. Using 'need' would've left the possibility of specific use cases, but he used 'see' which eliminates all use cases.
Personally I like what they did, and agree with you about the Surface being in trouble. Ultimately SJ was wrong, there can be a stylus without blowing it.
Based in the link, they only showed Keynote. That was in February, and 7 months later they don't even mentioned any of the iWorks apps. Things change so quickly.
Keynote is the only decent part of iWorks, matching the MS Office equivalent. I like Keynote a lot, but Pages looks pale next to MS Word and Numbers just sucks beyond repair.
In a business environment I would never mention iWorks
Or business folks that need to do business and iWorks is not enough for them, be it in an Pad or OS X. At least MS save the day...
Eeeeehh... I don't know about that, Keynote is better than powerpoint in almost every metric (in any sane persons mind anyway ) Word certainly has some power features that aren't in pages, but I think pages is a far more intuitive and better page layout abilities (so, better for newsletters and desktop publishing projects) and they both can easily handle 90% of what business people normally use a WP for.
Lastly is numbers and excel, they certainly aren't at feature parity... Vastly different packages, numbers is considerably better at complex layout (and is more intuitive to run) Excel has greater function functionality (yes I said that)
But isn't really the duck shoot you are portraying it as.
I think MS (application division) sees MS hardware failing almost everywhere (ms phone & tablets) and even windows on the decline. Enterprise, once the ms stronghold are viewing windows PC's as the past and leveraging iOS more and more and virtualizing (literally) windows to run on a remote server (if at all) I would think they (ms applications division) would be thrilled to be asked to participate (in early development opportunities) and to showcase new wares for the iPad. And lets not forget MS (again application division) was, at least partially, responsible for the initial success of the Macintosh against IBM PC (word & multiplan and then Excel)
Eeeeehh... I don't know about that, Keynote is better than powerpoint in almost every metric (in any sane persons mind anyway )
I haven't seen any comparison of PowerPoint 2016 and Keynote. I'll comment when I see it or when I try both, since I don't use it frequently.
Word certainly has some power features that aren't in pages, but I think pages is a far more intuitive and better page layout abilities (so, better for newsletters and desktop publishing projects) and they both can easily handle 90% of what business people normally use a WP for.
Those power features you mention are the things that make Word the best options in business and people still prefer it over Pages even though it does 90% of what business people need (I don't know where that number came from, but since you mentioned it, let's say it's true)
Lastly is numbers and excel, they certainly aren't at feature parity... Vastly different packages, numbers is considerably better at complex layout (and is more intuitive to run) Excel has greater function functionality (yes I said that)
But isn't really the duck shoot you are portraying it as.
Excel over Numbers is an easy one, so I won't comment of it.
What you think of MS hardware is no true at all. While WP is doing bad, Surface Pro business is growing in a market that tablets, including iPad, have been down quickly for many quarters. And Windows in decline still very good considering how Windows 10 adoption is doing, and closing to all OS X versions quickly.
I don't know how PC sales are doing in the enterprise (still are doing better than Mac's and even iPad's), but what I know is that other applications and, specially cloud services are growing quickly. When Apple sell an iOS device, MS up-sells with Office, server applications, databases, portals, enterprise social networks, messaging, voice services, CRM, ERP, MDM and services in Azure. If you saw the Apple keynote, MS was presented with the term "productivity", and I'm sure business and enterprise agree with that line, specially when you compare that to what Apple offers. MS still owns the enterprise.
DanVM you are a true MS cheerleader. The shame for MS is that you are a dwindling species.
Things aren't staying the same, and Apple just knocked the crutch out from under the surface. So while I agree it has managed some market traction recently (and it is the only hardware that has and it wasn't that spectacular) now that ramp has has been covered in teflon in that most all the traction it once had is now gone.
Most in enterprise view MS's "windows everywhere" as the past and light (mobile) clients and virtualizing windows for legacy support (when necessary) as the future.The "MS lock-in" days are over. And yes they still manage to sell a lot of windows (with what 95% market share (a decade ago) they have quite a bit of momentum.) But, down is down and they are heading down. Funny thing about momentum, change takes far longer than you think it would, and then happens faster than you can believe. (as examples you can point to LP's, CD's Video tapes and now DVD's) Windows is beginning to turn that corner and I don't see any new & different thinking coming out of redmond to fill that widening crevice.
Gimme a break. Do you really think he meant that a stylus has no use whatsoever?
And when Jobs says something is shit, do you think he meant it's feces?
Doubtful. Most business folks aren't power users so they can probably use iWork. They don't because they don't want to learn something new.