New Apple TV incompatible with Apple's own Remote app for iOS and watchOS

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    Any first reactions on voice control? In particular, how does it deal with a crowded room, and lots of ambient noise? Is there a finite number of voices it programs to recognize, or does it recognize any voice? What if my speakers are on full blast, and I want to ask it questions?
  • Reply 122 of 264
    rogifanrogifan Posts: 10,669member
    Any first reactions on voice control? In particular, how does it deal with a crowded room, and lots of ambient noise? Is there a finite number of voices it programs to recognize, or does it recognize any voice? What if my speakers are on full blast, and I want to ask it questions?

    It's worked well for me so far. I just have to remember not to say hey Siri because that activates my phone and sometimes my watch.I wish there was a dictation for text entry and I wish Siri supported Apple Music.
  • Reply 123 of 264
    boredumbboredumb Posts: 1,418member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post

     
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post



    Any first reactions on voice control? In particular, how does it deal with a crowded room, and lots of ambient noise? Is there a finite number of voices it programs to recognize, or does it recognize any voice? What if my speakers are on full blast, and I want to ask it questions?




    It's worked well for me so far. I just have to remember not to say hey Siri because that activates my phone and sometimes my watch.I wish there was a dictation for text entry and I wish Siri supported Apple Music.

    Too bad you can't assign different "names" to Siri on different devices...

    Just think how many new friends you'd instantly have!;) 

  • Reply 124 of 264
    boredumbboredumb Posts: 1,418member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

    I got it because I thought it would be nice to have the new remote, Siri, the storage, and slightly better eye-candy. Moreover, supply seems plentiful, so if/when it includes iOS/Watch remote + BT keyboard capabilities, fully functional Siri, a charger (given it costs $200), and the traditional square virtual keyboard, I'll order it for pickup within the hour.

    And, like a broken record, I wonder whether it will communicate more reliably with iCloud services with the A8 vs. A5 chip...and whatever else is new inside?

  • Reply 125 of 264
    This shows you that this will be a great AppleTV. The remote app was horrible, to say the least. I still refuse to believe that Apple made it.

    Seriously, it sucked. You'd go into it, to pause something you're watching, and it would start with the touch interface screen, and then pop out back to the darn playlist screen, only for you to have to re-enter the touch interface that was the only half-way useful part of the app.

    I personally am glad it's gone. They can rewrite it (and should) and probably cook it into iOS and WatchOS, but otherwise that former app was horrible...

    Couldn't agree more. The remote app was a huge limiting factor in navigating AppleTV. Glad it's gone. Force people to play with the remote. Typing in IDs and passwords is a little of a nuisance but it's typically done once and that's it. I picked one up last night and found navigation to be good but just started Siri with it this morning and am liking it much more. My 5 year old was all over it asking Siri to open up all his favourite cartoons. It's not capable of doing it all... yet. Personally think that's a good thing that it has limited functionality. Get people comfortable with a few new functions and then integrate more as people become comfortable with the methods of input. Having too many capabilities outta the box people become overwhelmed and never end up using the device to its fullest extent.
  • Reply 126 of 264
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 10,557member
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    Originally Posted by n8888b View Post



    This is a big issue. I bought one yesterday and wasted half the day trying to type everything in archaically. Don't buy until they get this fixed! Siri will not help you type!



    That’s funny. I had mine set up in less than 5 minutes. Per the instructions I paired my iPhone and the Apple TV pulled almost everything it needed off of it. This included WiFi network settings and password, iTunes ID and password, Apple Music details, iCloud login and settings. It all happened in the blink of an eye. Then I downloaded and installed the apps I wanted, including WWE Network and Twit. I had to do very little typing to get up and running.

     

    I am basically happy with the new Apple TV but I do have issues with many of the things mentioned here by others. The lack of Remote app support, no bluetooth keyboard support, the Audio output “Auto” setting doesn’t seem to work and I had to manually set it to Dolby Surround to get 5.1 output. Then there’s the absence of the Podcast app.

     

    It seems obvious to me that this product was pushed out the door before it was ready. I expect to see tvOS updates coming out fast and furious in the coming weeks and months. They had better or Apple will have a real revolt on their hands.

     

    FWIW I will be keeping my Apple TV. It’s already much better than the 3rd gen. 

  • Reply 127 of 264
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 10,557member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SirLance99 View Post





    So nobody is smarter than a Apple engineer? They make plenty of mistakes just as everyone else does.



    They’re a LOT smarter than the self-styled engineering experts commenting in this thread.

  • Reply 128 of 264
    eightzeroeightzero Posts: 3,039member

    I don't get it. My unit is delivering on Monday, so I guess I'll know then, but Dalrymple posted this:

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    Setup

    When you first setup the device, it asks you if you want to set it up with your iPhone instead of typing WiFi and Apple ID passwords in manually. A long arduous task that we’ve all done many times. Just make sure Bluetooth is on and you are greeted with prompts on your iPhone to type in your passwords. And that’s it, you’re up and running.

    One thing that was a bit frustrating with the old Apple TV was the fact you had to have a TV remote for volume and then the Apple TV remote to navigate the device. No more.

    When you first plug in the Apple TV, it grabs all of the information from your TV and transfers it to the unit over the HDMI cable. From there, the TV information is sent to your remote via Bluetooth.

    Before you even know what’s happening, you are signed into WiFi, your Apple ID, and your Apple TV remote is active to control the volume on your television.

    That’s quite a first impression.

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    Other than signing into the wifi, what do you need to type?

     

     

  • Reply 129 of 264
    My set up process was complicated by this:

    [IMG ALT=""]http://forums.appleinsider.com/content/type/61/id/64841/width/500/height/1000[/IMG]

    I think my ATV4 was sulking after I attached it to a Samsung TV
  • Reply 130 of 264
    I must say that this is the first time I have seen such a large proportion of AI readers express unambiguous disappointment with a new Apple realease. (Even @Slurpy!:D).

    I canceled my store pick up order last night. I hope someone from Apple has a response to this -- remote apps, charger -- soon.

    Tons of complaints and returns would certainly be noticed by someone at Apple...I hope.
  • Reply 131 of 264
    eightzero wrote: »
    I don't get it. My unit is delivering on Monday, so I guess I'll know then, but Dalrymple posted this:
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    [SIZE=21px]Setup[/SIZE]
    When you first setup the device, it asks you if you want to set it up with your iPhone instead of typing WiFi and Apple ID passwords in manually. A long arduous task that we’ve all done many times. Just make sure Bluetooth is on and you are greeted with prompts on your iPhone to type in your passwords. And that’s it, you’re up and running.
    One thing that was a bit frustrating with the old Apple TV was the fact you had to have a TV remote for volume and then the Apple TV remote to navigate the device. No more.
    When you first plug in the Apple TV, it grabs all of the information from your TV and transfers it to the unit over the HDMI cable. From there, the TV information is sent to your remote via Bluetooth.
    Before you even know what’s happening, you are signed into WiFi, your Apple ID, and your Apple TV remote is active to control the volume on your television.
    That’s quite a first impression.
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    Other than signing into the wifi, what do you need to type?


    I wonder why Jason Snell was complaining about password entry? I guess he wanted to try to enter everything only with the Apple TV remote.
  • Reply 132 of 264
    eightzero wrote: »
    Other than signing into the wifi, what do you need to type?

    Apple ID (it randomly asks for it over and over again, sometimes every other day, sometimes every few weeks)
    YouTube search (this one is particularly important for me, since I love to watch the music performances of my favorite bands/musicians)
    HBOGO-Comcast sign in
    Showtime-Comcast sign in
    My Music search

    And you have to go through some of it again every time there's a software update, or a reset (of the modem or the router or the AppleTV) or a power outage, not to mention across multiple devices. (I have three, one for each TV in my household). Or every time I reset one of my passwords (I update my passwords every year).

    Sorry for the repeated adds.
  • Reply 133 of 264
    rogifanrogifan Posts: 10,669member
    eightzero wrote: »
    I don't get it. My unit is delivering on Monday, so I guess I'll know then, but Dalrymple posted this:

    Other than signing into the wifi, what do you need to type?

    any searching you want to do as there is no voice/dictation. And if you download from the App Store. My settings are to never require a password, but I know that doesn't work for everyone especially families. With ESPN and other apps like it a code would come up on the screen that you enter into a specific website. These websites usually ask for your cable ID and password as well. It's not the worst thing in the world because you're typing this in on your phone/computer but there's got to be a better way of handling authentication.
  • Reply 134 of 264
    rogifanrogifan Posts: 10,669member
    lkrupp wrote: »

    They’re a LOT smarter than the self-styled engineering experts commenting in this thread.

    I don't think complaining about the remote app not being updated or BT keyboards not being updated out of the gate is being an armchair engineer. These things did work with ?TV 3. Apple isn't usually in the habit of breaking things that previously worked.
  • Reply 135 of 264
    rogifan wrote: »
    ...Apple isn't usually in the habit of breaking things that previously worked.

    That's not quite accurate. Just look at Numbers, for example. ????
  • Reply 136 of 264
    haggarhaggar Posts: 1,568member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by pmz View Post



    Eddie Cue or Tim Cook really needs to respond to this. They can respond to fucking Taylor Swift, but they can't respond to their own users.



    1) No iOS or ? WATCH App.

    2) No Bluetooth keyboard support

    3) No Dictation support for any text field, despite the misleading emphasis on Siri.



    They literally went out of their way to make it difficult to use the product. Any of the three ways that would have satisfied text entry, for now, are all missing.



    Absolutely unbefuckinglievable.



    4. Can't charge the remote using the Apple TV (because either a Lightning-USB-C cable is not included or the USB-C port does not charge at all), and no charger included in the box.

     

    So I'm curious - does the Siri Remote provide any enhanced features when plugged into a computer?  Does it function as a USB microphone, does it have a digital voice recorder, can it be used as flash drive, or anything that would make Apple assume that everyone has a computer in the living room and will want to plug the remote into it?

  • Reply 137 of 264
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,693member
    The cloud backup idea is moot since that would go against the grain of Apple's approach to privacy.

    For starters, they could have simply left the 'square' on-screen virtual keyboard as it was before. (I always thought that was a bit of genius from whoever came up with it.)

    I am talking about using Keychain. Sorry I wasn't more specific. Obviously the previous Apple TV didn't support that so a utility would have to have been created to interface the two technologies this one time. Going forward see no reason TvOS can't use Keychain.
  • Reply 138 of 264
    haggarhaggar Posts: 1,568member
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    Originally Posted by matrix07 View Post





    Sometimes we need to be very critical otherwise Apple will get too lazy and products will be more and more half-baked.



    FOX slowly turned into a hardcore porn channel and we never even realized it.

     

    Marge Simpson

  • Reply 139 of 264
    rogifanrogifan Posts: 10,669member
    That's not quite accurate. Just look at Numbers, for example. ????

    Well I said usually. ;) of course after I typed that I knew someone would mention iWork.
  • Reply 140 of 264
    rogifan wrote: »
    Well I said usually. ;) of course after I typed that I knew someone would mention iWork.
    ????
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