Single-payer system cannot happen at the Federal level without a constitutional amendment. Such a healthcare scheme is only possible at the state level. There's a reason why the ACA monstrosity is what it is...the single-payer solution has never been politically feasible, nor should it be.
Single payer or Medicare for all is perfectly constitutional - Even a republican Supreme Court wouldn't dare declare Medicare unconstitutional.
Medicare is constitutional because it was added to the Social Security Act. Now, if you want to argue about the wisdom of having permanent entitlements like this in the Constitution, that's another matter.
Why do you believe that Medicare is OK as just an Act, but single-payer health care can't be an Act, but instead has to be an Amendment to the Constitution?
The Chinese are already replacing human labor with robots. Little reason those robots couldn't be located within the USA. There will be fewer people doing things by hand and lots of people fixing and maintaining robots with more skilled labor dealing with complex tasks where automation doesn't work. 3D printing is changing manufacturing at a rapid pace. The difference with additive manufacturing and reduction manufacturing of metal alloys is changing everything. They lay powdered metal down and melt it with lasers to create layers of just about any metallic alloy. That means they can build motor parts, etc. No more CNC milling and stamping of parts. Start your replicators people. The next step is atomic / molecular construction ala Star Trek.
The robotics solution will play out eventually, regardless of mandates.
That's why there is no reason to keep factories in China and become hostage of foreign infrastructure. Logistics also plays role. Shipping is also important. Let me use example of so great West Coast that did not want Trump. So why Boeing is manufactured in Everett Washington with parts manufactured in California and Apple could not be made this way bringing jobs to all those who riot under Mexican flag and say Trump is not their president? I have problem with understanding where the problem is and why it cannot be solved. Maybe I understand something... but I hope to be wrong.
Or we could actually make multibillion dollar corps actually pay taxes, living wages, keep jobs in America, and make BUYING that allows all these illegal.
So...communism then. Or fascism. At any rate, the government would control everything.
We conservatives are doing our best to stop this maniac, but we're probably going to have to destroy the GOP to do it, so...buckle up.
You clearly have no knowledge or understanding of communism or fascism. Read a book, for crying out loud.
Exactly! And for the record I am older generation and I lived in communism in Eastern Europe. We voted it out in 1989. SOme fools in America do not get what it is and how it works. Schools do not teach that apparently.
This is ridiculous ! we can not stop counterfeit items from coming into the country (US)... so how are you gonna stop Chinese made iPhones from coming into the USA?... 35% extra markup on an iPhone... and you expect US citizens will only buy US made iPhones?
furthermore, The US is not going to be making all the phones for the world, they will only be making phones for the US...
The rest of the world will be buying phones from China... Or does Pres-elect Trump/republican party expect that every iPhone will be made in every country it's sold in...
Samsung is a US company here. Will they forced to make all the phones here, for the US market ?...
Remember when the US had manufacturing? they made TV sets here, (CRT TV's) That tells me they were making a profit, It also tells me they moved the manufacturing overseas because they wanted to make even more profit... So why would they move the manufacturing back here? So a company can make LESS profit?.
Single payer or Medicare for all is perfectly constitutional - Even a republican Supreme Court wouldn't dare declare Medicare unconstitutional.
Neither is constitutional. What someone would “dare” to do has absolutely nothing to do with the constitutionality of said action or the thing being ruled.
Sorry. No. We know how the government “calculates” its shit. We know it’s wrong. I don’t care about their dialectic or how they want to try to reframe the definition of ‘unemployed’. I care about the number of working age individuals who aren’t, and it’s nowhere near 4 and a half fucking percent.
kamilton said:
it is easy to change the face of the argument when you don't have data to back it up.
show me decades worth of *your* statistical calculations of unemployment.
what is most telling is the trends & change - i.e. recovering from the financial disaster that under regulated banks poured on the working class.
yeah. now they are having the minimal post-disaster regulations removed
who is playing to wall street? there is no draining of any swamp, there is a power-hungry demagogue fueled by nepotism, feeding the banks that made him, and they will trample on the people again (as he has done since his dad first gave him a $1,000,000 "loan".
your next post should be at least a decade of your calculations of unemployment, so we can see how the numbers are actually trending.
Like all in the political game, he said what he thought he had to in order to win power. i.e., he lied.
Assuming he was just trying to rally the hate mongers to get their vote, what Trump did was different from other elections. You can't run on demagoguery and not expect negative consequences from all sides as a result. 18 months of telling people their bigotry is justified and fostering more fear by telling people that the media is lying when reporting on his actual words just makes the issue worse.
While everyone is responsible for their own actions, Trump is responsible for making this situation worse. The terrified bifs that voted for Trump also leads to a potential longterm issue of this becoming the norm in American politics because it worked. It's a terrible precedent to set for this country.
The article conflates employee costs with labor costs. Sure, the average Chinese worker makes about $300 a month (as a floor), and that would be 4 to 8 times more in the U.S. as a start. But the article also states that labor costs account for about $5 per phone currently. Making the phones in the U.S. would raise labor costs to (say) $20 a phone, so that a $649 phone becomes $664 -- yes, it's more but it's hardly a deal breaker for many.
From the article, labor costs are a small fraction of the total costs of the phone. No business person likes giving away even pennies, but assembling the phones in the U.S. under this scenario is not a killer for Apple. That's if the labor cost is truly $5 a phone.
That doesn't begin to account for what it would cost Apple to bring the entire production shop to the US from China.
What would be wrong with moving part of the iPhone production shop to the US as a start? Arguing either it's all or nothing is pretty darn limiting (and polarizing). In addition Trump never said "all manufacturing" in the first place so those bringing it up as tho he was mandating anything like that are starting out with a false premise.
Personally I think the US is much more capable of a return to manufacturing than some are giving it credit for. Individual companies each chasing maximum profits for their own benefit, thus foreign manufacturing, is what has turned the US into a further into a services rather than creation economy over the past 40 years IMHO. There is a place in the middle that would bring higher wage and more satisfying jobs to the US even if big US companies might have to suffer with 30% margins instead of 35%, or $10B in the bank instead of $12B. Whatever happened to "the greater good", "for love of country", "your fellow American"? Selfishness. . .
Uh… he paid it back and the stipulation was that it be paid back, so explain how it wasn’t a loan.
your next post should be at least a decade of your calculations of unemployment, so we can see how the numbers are actually trending.
Your laziness and refusal to accept fact already presented because it hurts your feelings only serves to weaken your argument. What kind of idiot thinks unemployment is under 5% with the economy in its current state? I mean, holy fuck, have some fucking self-awareness here.
oh, and just for reference, the president-elect is now losing by over 1,000,000 votes.
3 million illegals voted and there are 4 million dead people registered. Never mind the fact that we don’t have fucking voter ID laws in a majority of the country. Try the fuck again.
gatorguy said: Arguing either it's all or nothing is pretty darn limiting (and polarizing).
Who said anything about it has to be all or nothing?
That argument began with the article itself. IMO far too few folks recognize the increasing danger of the US turning into a country of minimal wage hourly servants whose workplace existence is for further enriching the already comfortable masters.
Uh… he paid it back and the stipulation was that it be paid back, so explain how it wasn’t a loan.
your next post should be at least a decade of your calculations of unemployment, so we can see how the numbers are actually trending.
Your laziness and refusal to accept fact already presented because it hurts your feelings only serves to weaken your argument. What kind of idiot thinks unemployment is under 5% with the economy in its current state? I mean, holy fuck, have some fucking self-awareness here.
oh, and just for reference, the president-elect is now losing by over 1,000,000 votes.
3 million illegals voted and there are 4 million dead people registered. Never mind the fact that we don’t have fucking voter ID laws in a majority of the country. Try the fuck again.
And where's your evidence for the three million illegal votes and the 4 million dead people votes?
gatorguy said: Arguing either it's all or nothing is pretty darn limiting (and polarizing).
Who said anything about it has to be all or nothing?
That argument began with the article itself.
If one wants it to be all then that will likely never be an option at any price because so much comes form outside the US. Sure, we can source aluminium from the US at a much higher cost than other countries. And, sure, we can create US machinery that will build these American made products decades down the road. But there are still plenty of licenses for patents that are paid to other companies in other nations that to go "all or nothing" means that you will likely always have nothing.
Uh… he paid it back and the stipulation was that it be paid back, so explain how it wasn’t a loan.
your next post should be at least a decade of your calculations of unemployment, so we can see how the numbers are actually trending.
Your laziness and refusal to accept fact already presented because it hurts your feelings only serves to weaken your argument. What kind of idiot thinks unemployment is under 5% with the economy in its current state? I mean, holy fuck, have some fucking self-awareness here.
oh, and just for reference, the president-elect is now losing by over 1,000,000 votes.
3 million illegals voted and there are 4 million dead people registered. Never mind the fact that we don’t have fucking voter ID laws in a majority of the country. Try the fuck again.
show me your unemployment stats for the past several decades.
let us see *your* trends vs. the US department of labor
4 million now? Even Trump himself only claimed an estimate of 1.8m dead people registered. And even so, unless you have proof that those registrations were used to vote you've got nothing.
4 million now? Even Trump himself only claimed an estimate of 1.8m dead people registered. And even so, unless you have proof that those registrations were used to vote you've got nothing.
That's the straw man in that argument. There will always be deceased (and incarcerated) people on voter registries but by simply stating "x-many dead people registered to vote" you state a facile impression that someone has gone out of their way to register people who were long dead. They also make claims about voter fraud, and while there is probably someone somewhere whose lost someone in their household that had signed up for vote-by-mail and who may have decided to fill out their ballot, none of this is going to sway an election.
But they don't want the story to be mundane. These are people that put emotions before critical thinking. The more "juicy" the story the more likely they are going believe it without any notion of verifying its source, so long as it based up their belief system. These are not intellectuals. These are not thinkers. They are afraid because they can't tell the real media from the fake media. These are people that all tell you Megyn Kelly is an evil bitch but will forward what I think is clearly fake news after only reading its absurd headline. These are the people that believe Obama is a secret Muslim and born in Kenya, yet will cry foul on the dozen+ women who say "Trump did to me exactly what he admitted he does in that audio clip" because there isn't any video evidence that he sexually assaulted them. That's what we're dealing with today—uneducated, bigoted Caucasians who feel disenfranchised simply because a half-black man was POTUS for 8 years, regardless of the amazing job he did despite the obstructionists trying to block his every move since Inauguration Day.
gatorguy said: Arguing either it's all or nothing is pretty darn limiting (and polarizing).
Who said anything about it has to be all or nothing?
That argument began with the article itself. IMO far too few folks recognize the increasing danger of the US turning into a country of minimal wage hourly servants whose workplace existence is for further enriching the already comfortable masters.
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we can not stop counterfeit items from coming into the country (US)...
so how are you gonna stop Chinese made iPhones from coming into the USA?...
35% extra markup on an iPhone... and you expect US citizens will only buy US made iPhones?
furthermore, The US is not going to be making all the phones for the world, they will only be making phones for the US...
The rest of the world will be buying phones from China...
Or does Pres-elect Trump/republican party expect that every iPhone will be made in every country it's sold in...
Samsung is a US company here. Will they forced to make all the phones here, for the US market ?...
Remember when the US had manufacturing? they made TV sets here, (CRT TV's)
That tells me they were making a profit, It also tells me they moved the manufacturing overseas because they wanted to make even more profit...
So why would they move the manufacturing back here? So a company can make LESS profit?.
show me decades worth of *your* statistical calculations of unemployment. what is most telling is the trends & change - i.e. recovering from the financial disaster that under regulated banks poured on the working class.
yeah. now they are having the minimal post-disaster regulations removed
who is playing to wall street?
there is no draining of any swamp, there is a power-hungry demagogue fueled by nepotism, feeding the banks that made him, and they will trample on the people again (as he has done since his dad first gave him a $1,000,000 "loan".
your next post should be at least a decade of your calculations of unemployment, so we can see how the numbers are actually trending.
Like all in the political game, he said what he thought he had to in order to win power. i.e., he lied.
While everyone is responsible for their own actions, Trump is responsible for making this situation worse. The terrified bifs that voted for Trump also leads to a potential longterm issue of this becoming the norm in American politics because it worked. It's a terrible precedent to set for this country.
Personally I think the US is much more capable of a return to manufacturing than some are giving it credit for. Individual companies each chasing maximum profits for their own benefit, thus foreign manufacturing, is what has turned the US into a further into a services rather than creation economy over the past 40 years IMHO. There is a place in the middle that would bring higher wage and more satisfying jobs to the US even if big US companies might have to suffer with 30% margins instead of 35%, or $10B in the bank instead of $12B. Whatever happened to "the greater good", "for love of country", "your fellow American"? Selfishness. . .
Nice defeatism.
Uh… he paid it back and the stipulation was that it be paid back, so explain how it wasn’t a loan.
Your laziness and refusal to accept fact already presented because it hurts your feelings only serves to weaken your argument. What kind of idiot thinks unemployment is under 5% with the economy in its current state? I mean, holy fuck, have some fucking self-awareness here.
sandor said:
3 million illegals voted and there are 4 million dead people registered. Never mind the fact that we don’t have fucking voter ID laws in a majority of the country. Try the fuck again.
let us see *your* trends vs. the US department of labor
But they don't want the story to be mundane. These are people that put emotions before critical thinking. The more "juicy" the story the more likely they are going believe it without any notion of verifying its source, so long as it based up their belief system. These are not intellectuals. These are not thinkers. They are afraid because they can't tell the real media from the fake media. These are people that all tell you Megyn Kelly is an evil bitch but will forward what I think is clearly fake news after only reading its absurd headline. These are the people that believe Obama is a secret Muslim and born in Kenya, yet will cry foul on the dozen+ women who say "Trump did to me exactly what he admitted he does in that audio clip" because there isn't any video evidence that he sexually assaulted them. That's what we're dealing with today—uneducated, bigoted Caucasians who feel disenfranchised simply because a half-black man was POTUS for 8 years, regardless of the amazing job he did despite the obstructionists trying to block his every move since Inauguration Day.