What Apple would have to do to comply with Donald Trump's American-built mandate

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  • Reply 141 of 191
    tzeshan said:


    Shadow's from the past:

    MDTA: The Origins of the Manpower Development and Training Act of 1962

    In a special message to the Congress, on May 25, 1961, President John F. Kennedy told the legislators that "Large scale unemployment during a recession is bad enough, but large scale unemployment during a period of prosperity would be intolerable." Four days later, he transmitted a bill to Congress that dealt with just such a situation. The Manpower Development and Training Act of 1962 endeavored to train and retrain thousands of workers unemployed because of automation and technological change.

    Hailed by the country as the first major piece of manpower legislation since the Employment Act of 1946, MDTA did not spring full-grown into John Kennedy's "New Frontier" era. Rather, the preoccupation with manpower utilization since the end of the Second World War reflected the nation's response to certain critical historical factors. The legacy of the depression had served to heighten the country's sensitivity to the issues of unemployment and economic growth. The dawn of the Atomic Age had witnessed the implementation of a new technology that threatened to replace men with machines. Furthermore, the imperatives of the Cold War, with its accent on scientific preeminence, had revealed America's weakness in training skilled technicians in sufficient numbers. The interaction of these components served as a catalyst to propel the federal government into the vanguard of human resource development as envisioned in MDTA.

    https://www.dol.gov/general/aboutdol/history/mono-mdtatext 


    Way back in late 1962, I taught Beginning Programing Classes for a school funded by the MDTA.  The classes were held in the evenings, 3 hrs, and had 10-15 students (totally non-tech).

    It was quite rewarding to see the Aha Moment as each student caught on to the subject.

    Seven years prior to that, I had my own Aha Moment while attending a night class at Pasadena City College:  Introduction to IBM Punched Card Data Processing...  It changed my life!

    My point: there are things that Government and Tech Companies can do together to invest in training  our unemployed and under-employed citizens to get the skills to get good jobs.

    IMO, it is also necessary to realize that not everyone can or wants to learn tech.  I would like to see  Government and Tech Companies invest in vocational training in middle schools through Jr. College. *

    * The aforementioned Pasadena City College held classes where students: 
    • built and sold a house each year
    • rebuilt automobiles
    • various shop skills
    • plumbing/electrician/cement worker
    • ballroom dancing...
    • AIR, they even built an airplane

    I don't think so.  Apple is on the cutting edge of technology.  Even Apple does not clearly what the future will be in technology.  Over the last thirty years, many 'new' technology has been gone.  The dvd is on the way out.  And tape player is no longer installed on cars.  How does the stupid government know to help workers in the rapidly changing technology?  Apple is on the cutting edge of technology.  In this sense why Americans should be previledged? The best way is for Americans try to learn to use technology.  
    I think most Americans know how to use a Smart Phone, Tablet or Computer.

    But, using tech is quite different than making a living with tech.  I suspect that there are millions of Americans that don't have the opportunity, can't or won't have a tech job.  What about these people?  Are they relegated to live off welfare? Where is the personal satisfaction in that -- as opposed to the pride of honest hard work?

    Apple, and other tech companies, invest in education [e.g. learning Swift Programming] because it provides a ROI that benefits the company.  However, not everyone want's (or is capable) to get and hold a tech job.  

    There are, plumbers, welders, bricklayers, etc. out there whose money spends just as well as a high-paid programmer.  Why not invest in educating those who prefer these jobs, too?

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  • Reply 142 of 191
    tzeshan said:
    mike1 said:
    frankie said:
    2 points:  1st rip on him, 2nd agree with some of it.

    Trumpo the clown has all his own cr@p, from his 'Made in America' hats to the steel he uses for his building made overseas.

    He s a walking hypocrite.

    Hiring this moron to fix our problems is like hiring a drug dealer to stop the drug war.

    He said he would 'drain the swamp' meaning get rid of political insiders and he isn't even in office yet and his entire cabinet is nothing but political insiders.

    You've been had people.  It was another con and you fell for it again.

    -------------------

    In terms of Apple and everyone else getting their stuff made overseas.  I think he has point and I agree we need some jobs back.  I don't think most of these factors jobs will come back because no one here wants for work for $12 a day.  But I do think we need to enforce much greater taxes on theses companies and don't give the the 35% BS which we all know exactly NO ONE actually pays.  Apple, along with everyone else, doesn't need 100 Billion $ sitting in Ireland because they don't want to pay taxes.  Change the laws and make it illegal to park your money overseas, and then use the money for Americans.
    You conveniently forget that all the money being held overseas has already been taxed by other countries. Nobody should be taxed twice regardless of how much they have. Increasing taxes has NEVER grown the economy. The US is the only country that so heavily taxes repatriated income.
    I think the real issue is not Apple should repatriate the money so US can collect tax.  The issue is why should bring the money back to invest in US economy but have to pay enormous sum of money first.  Samsung buys Harman for five billion dollars.  Does Samsung have to pay US government for this investment?
    As I understand it, Trump's 10% repatriation tax is a clean-slate, 1-time, offer...  Exactly what the tech companies, like Apple, have been fighting for!

    Future foreign profits would be taxed at 15% less any foreign taxes paid -- IMO, that's manna from heaven for the tech companies.  

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  • Reply 143 of 191
    tzeshantzeshan Posts: 2,351member
    tzeshan said:
    mike1 said:
    frankie said:
    2 points:  1st rip on him, 2nd agree with some of it.

    Trumpo the clown has all his own cr@p, from his 'Made in America' hats to the steel he uses for his building made overseas.

    He s a walking hypocrite.

    Hiring this moron to fix our problems is like hiring a drug dealer to stop the drug war.

    He said he would 'drain the swamp' meaning get rid of political insiders and he isn't even in office yet and his entire cabinet is nothing but political insiders.

    You've been had people.  It was another con and you fell for it again.

    -------------------

    In terms of Apple and everyone else getting their stuff made overseas.  I think he has point and I agree we need some jobs back.  I don't think most of these factors jobs will come back because no one here wants for work for $12 a day.  But I do think we need to enforce much greater taxes on theses companies and don't give the the 35% BS which we all know exactly NO ONE actually pays.  Apple, along with everyone else, doesn't need 100 Billion $ sitting in Ireland because they don't want to pay taxes.  Change the laws and make it illegal to park your money overseas, and then use the money for Americans.
    You conveniently forget that all the money being held overseas has already been taxed by other countries. Nobody should be taxed twice regardless of how much they have. Increasing taxes has NEVER grown the economy. The US is the only country that so heavily taxes repatriated income.
    I think the real issue is not Apple should repatriate the money so US can collect tax.  The issue is why should bring the money back to invest in US economy but have to pay enormous sum of money first.  Samsung buys Harman for five billion dollars.  Does Samsung have to pay US government for this investment?
    As I understand it, Trump's 10% repatriation tax is a clean-slate, 1-time, offer...  Exactly what the tech companies, like Apple, have been fighting for!

    Future foreign profits would be taxed at 15% less any foreign taxes paid -- IMO, that's manna from heaven for the tech companies.  

    I think a fair deal is if US companies use overseas money to setup factories in US, the money should be free of tax. 
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  • Reply 144 of 191
    tzeshantzeshan Posts: 2,351member

    tzeshan said:


    Shadow's from the past:

    MDTA: The Origins of the Manpower Development and Training Act of 1962

    In a special message to the Congress, on May 25, 1961, President John F. Kennedy told the legislators that "Large scale unemployment during a recession is bad enough, but large scale unemployment during a period of prosperity would be intolerable." Four days later, he transmitted a bill to Congress that dealt with just such a situation. The Manpower Development and Training Act of 1962 endeavored to train and retrain thousands of workers unemployed because of automation and technological change.

    Hailed by the country as the first major piece of manpower legislation since the Employment Act of 1946, MDTA did not spring full-grown into John Kennedy's "New Frontier" era. Rather, the preoccupation with manpower utilization since the end of the Second World War reflected the nation's response to certain critical historical factors. The legacy of the depression had served to heighten the country's sensitivity to the issues of unemployment and economic growth. The dawn of the Atomic Age had witnessed the implementation of a new technology that threatened to replace men with machines. Furthermore, the imperatives of the Cold War, with its accent on scientific preeminence, had revealed America's weakness in training skilled technicians in sufficient numbers. The interaction of these components served as a catalyst to propel the federal government into the vanguard of human resource development as envisioned in MDTA.

    https://www.dol.gov/general/aboutdol/history/mono-mdtatext 


    Way back in late 1962, I taught Beginning Programing Classes for a school funded by the MDTA.  The classes were held in the evenings, 3 hrs, and had 10-15 students (totally non-tech).

    It was quite rewarding to see the Aha Moment as each student caught on to the subject.

    Seven years prior to that, I had my own Aha Moment while attending a night class at Pasadena City College:  Introduction to IBM Punched Card Data Processing...  It changed my life!

    My point: there are things that Government and Tech Companies can do together to invest in training  our unemployed and under-employed citizens to get the skills to get good jobs.

    IMO, it is also necessary to realize that not everyone can or wants to learn tech.  I would like to see  Government and Tech Companies invest in vocational training in middle schools through Jr. College. *

    * The aforementioned Pasadena City College held classes where students: 
    • built and sold a house each year
    • rebuilt automobiles
    • various shop skills
    • plumbing/electrician/cement worker
    • ballroom dancing...
    • AIR, they even built an airplane

    I don't think so.  Apple is on the cutting edge of technology.  Even Apple does not clearly what the future will be in technology.  Over the last thirty years, many 'new' technology has been gone.  The dvd is on the way out.  And tape player is no longer installed on cars.  How does the stupid government know to help workers in the rapidly changing technology?  Apple is on the cutting edge of technology.  In this sense why Americans should be previledged? The best way is for Americans try to learn to use technology.  
    I think most Americans know how to use a Smart Phone, Tablet or Computer.

    But, using tech is quite different than making a living with tech.  I suspect that there are millions of Americans that don't have the opportunity, can't or won't have a tech job.  What about these people?  Are they relegated to live off welfare? Where is the personal satisfaction in that -- as opposed to the pride of honest hard work?

    Apple, and other tech companies, invest in education [e.g. learning Swift Programming] because it provides a ROI that benefits the company.  However, not everyone want's (or is capable) to get and hold a tech job.  

    There are, plumbers, welders, bricklayers, etc. out there whose money spends just as well as a high-paid programmer.  Why not invest in educating those who prefer these jobs, too?

    These people know how to use high tech.  I think what the tech companies can do is helping other non-higtech companies integrating high tech into their business.  For example, help them design very useful web sites.  I know some organizations know this very well.  Some don't.  Why do so many organization complain about being hacked? One important reason is they implement high-techs incorrectly. 
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  • Reply 145 of 191
    tzeshan said:

    I think a fair deal is if US companies use overseas money to setup factories in US, the money should be free of tax. 



    We're on the same wavelength.

    Make them an offer they can't refuse!

    Aside, from cutting the head off a breed horse and leaving in its owner's bed... A new tax/education/infrastructure policy could incentivize [not just tech] corporations to invest in America.  

    So, tech could invest in not just tech factories, but education in Detroit, bridges in Ohio, etc.  The SF Bay Area just raised $Billions in taxes, just to maintain BART.  Think of the benefits to Silicon Valley tech companies if they invested in upgrading and extending BART and making it self-sufficient.   Those are shovel-ready jobs!

    edited November 2016
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  • Reply 146 of 191
    komokomo Posts: 25member
    Get rid of Trump he's an idiot shouldn't be president.
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  • Reply 147 of 191
    komo said:
    Get rid of Trump he's an idiot shouldn't be president.

    The process disagrees with you. Anyone... literally any American person who meets the basic requirements spelled out in the Constitution... can run for president! That's a beautiful thing. It removes this position from the clutches of monarchs and dynasties.

    No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.


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  • Reply 148 of 191
    The whole premise of this feature is wrong.  Trump did not say he is going to put a 35% tariff on everything imported into the country.  ONLY to manufacturers that CLOSE up shop in the USA and move to another country and then try to sell the USA the same products it was selling in the USA.  ONLY those situations.  Ford got out before Trump was elected therefore I doubt even ford would be taxed on the cars they make in Mexico.
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  • Reply 149 of 191
    And so it begins:

    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-lawmakers-advised-to-bar-chinese-state-owned-companies-from-buying-us-firms-2016-11-16
    U.S. lawmakers advised to bar Chinese state-owned companies from buying U.S. firms

    WASHINGTON — The United States should bar Chinese state-owned enterprises from acquiring U.S. companies – takeovers that give China an unfair advantage in trade relations, according to a report released Wednesday by a congressional advisory panel. 

    While Chinese companies face less restricted access in the U.S., China has locked out countries from being competitive in its own country, according to the U.S. China Economic and Security Review Commission. The lack of market access for U.S. firms has created an unbalanced trading and investment relationship with China, which is harmful to U.S. interests, the commission’s annual report maintains.

    “We don’t want the U.S. government purchasing companies in the United States,” Commission Chairman Dennis Shea said. “Why do we want the Chinese communist government purchasing companies in the United States?”

    The report says unfair market practices by China, including cheap steel imports, have cost the America manufacturing jobs in the steel industry. China’s protection of its domestic manufacturers, boosted by government subsidies, has led to overcapacity in its steel, aluminum and coal production and subsequent low-cost dumping of the goods on global markets. That makes it difficult for the U.S. to compete.
    This is a good start, but I still insist that China needs to be quickly kicked out of the WTO.
    edited November 2016
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  • Reply 150 of 191
    k2kwk2kw Posts: 2,084member
    Others have said it, we live in a world that has shrunk and there is no way we are going to, or should, try to become some isolated, protectionist, country.  It is ridiculous at best to suggest we do so, and in reality is just pandering to an un-educated populace who are "mad" about things they don't even understand.  One of my business partners complained about the ACA, yet recognizes that without it, he wouldn't be able to afford or get health insurance.  And because he feels betrayed by this fact, then he complains that it's not really affordable - because you know it's "Obama's fault that he couldn't make insurance cost less".

    Trump is selling the idea of what he thinks was a great America, one from the 1950's, where women participated in society by staying home to raise the kids, and anyone of color (read as not WASP) knew their place in the world.  American's should be embarrassed of Trump and the "ideals" he is spewing.

    Curious, if we shouldn't try to be protectionist ("protecting those in our nation"), who should we strive to protect? In the past, typically you start by protecting your family, and then when that is taken care of you move on to community, state, nation, etc. You seem to be proposing a flipped perspective of 'help the world' at a time when most of the world still yearns to protect themselves first (i.e. at a time when it is suicide to think good intentions and sacrifice will lead to a greater good. e.g. China in regards to massive human rights abuses).

    It's interesting you bring up the 1950's, because in the US quality of life surveys indicate that women are far less satisfied with quality of life today than they were in the 50's.

    Many on the ACA are paying $1000 premiums with $10k deductibles. That's not really insurance. 

    Single payer is the economically sound solution due to economies of scale arguments. Only Sanders and Trump support single payer.
    Single-payer system cannot happen at the Federal level without a constitutional amendment.  Such a healthcare scheme is only possible at the state level. There's a reason why the ACA monstrosity is what it is...the single-payer solution has never been politically feasible, nor should it be. 
    Single payer or Medicare for all is perfectly constitutional - Even a republican Supreme Court wouldn't dare declare Medicare unconstitutional.
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  • Reply 151 of 191
    k2kw said:
    Others have said it, we live in a world that has shrunk and there is no way we are going to, or should, try to become some isolated, protectionist, country.  It is ridiculous at best to suggest we do so, and in reality is just pandering to an un-educated populace who are "mad" about things they don't even understand.  One of my business partners complained about the ACA, yet recognizes that without it, he wouldn't be able to afford or get health insurance.  And because he feels betrayed by this fact, then he complains that it's not really affordable - because you know it's "Obama's fault that he couldn't make insurance cost less".

    Trump is selling the idea of what he thinks was a great America, one from the 1950's, where women participated in society by staying home to raise the kids, and anyone of color (read as not WASP) knew their place in the world.  American's should be embarrassed of Trump and the "ideals" he is spewing.

    Curious, if we shouldn't try to be protectionist ("protecting those in our nation"), who should we strive to protect? In the past, typically you start by protecting your family, and then when that is taken care of you move on to community, state, nation, etc. You seem to be proposing a flipped perspective of 'help the world' at a time when most of the world still yearns to protect themselves first (i.e. at a time when it is suicide to think good intentions and sacrifice will lead to a greater good. e.g. China in regards to massive human rights abuses).

    It's interesting you bring up the 1950's, because in the US quality of life surveys indicate that women are far less satisfied with quality of life today than they were in the 50's.

    Many on the ACA are paying $1000 premiums with $10k deductibles. That's not really insurance. 

    Single payer is the economically sound solution due to economies of scale arguments. Only Sanders and Trump support single payer.
    Single-payer system cannot happen at the Federal level without a constitutional amendment.  Such a healthcare scheme is only possible at the state level. There's a reason why the ACA monstrosity is what it is...the single-payer solution has never been politically feasible, nor should it be. 
    Single payer or Medicare for all is perfectly constitutional - Even a republican Supreme Court wouldn't dare declare Medicare unconstitutional.
    Medicare is constitutional because it was added to the Social Security Act. Now, if you want to argue about the wisdom of having permanent entitlements like this in the Constitution, that's another matter.
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  • Reply 152 of 191
    Solisoli Posts: 10,038member
    k2kw said:
    Single-payer system cannot happen at the Federal level without a constitutional amendment.  Such a healthcare scheme is only possible at the state level. There's a reason why the ACA monstrosity is what it is...the single-payer solution has never been politically feasible, nor should it be. 
    Single payer or Medicare for all is perfectly constitutional - Even a republican Supreme Court wouldn't dare declare Medicare unconstitutional.
    Medicare is constitutional because it was added to the Social Security Act. Now, if you want to argue about the wisdom of having permanent entitlements like this in the Constitution, that's another matter.
    Why do you believe that Medicare is OK as just an Act, but single-payer health care can't be an Act, but instead has to be an Amendment to the Constitution?
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  • Reply 153 of 191
    mike1 said:
    frankie said:
    The poor and lower middle class who have been left out of the economy for the past two decades due to globalist elites might still be worth supporting. (note: all wealth gain has gone to the top 1% in the US since the 1970s) Because our current system (and that proposed by the dems) is that it is better to not have a job than have a job that you don't want (one reason the dems voicing support the US economy losing 2 million people in the workforce due to the affordable care act), it could be an improvement to actually raise costs and reduce taxes. Consider: walmart pays their workers next to nothing because of the tacit agreement with the elite that their workers will be subsidized an additional $18 or so from our taxes in the form of earned income tax credits (for example). tl;dr: We could raise costs and lower taxes and improve the quality of life for Americans. Is it worth propping up the anti-human right Chinese govt. with our innovative technologies and growing their economy while our 99% suffer?
    Or we could actually make multibillion dollar corps actually pay taxes, living wages, keep jobs in America, and make BUYING that allows all these illegal.

    Communist/Socialist drivel.
    And? 
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  • Reply 154 of 191
    sandor said:
    US unemployment is currently 4.9%
    It’s 30%. Knock off the propaganda.
    http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000

    in following the same calculation for the past decade, it is nearing the low point. 
    and it is currently 1/2 what it was at the peak post-big bank bailout.

    coincidentally, those big banks & insurance companies that screwed the US tax payers then are, once again, going to be given free reign of their "business"

    fool me once, shame on you. 
    fool me twice, shame on me.

    the swamp won't be drained, it is just getting a 50 foot wall around it in the hopes we cannot see the bastardized power & money grab that will be happening by the billionaires in the next 4 years.
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  • Reply 155 of 191
    mike1 said:
    frankie said:
    2 points:  1st rip on him, 2nd agree with some of it.

    Trumpo the clown has all his own cr@p, from his 'Made in America' hats to the steel he uses for his building made overseas.

    He s a walking hypocrite.

    Hiring this moron to fix our problems is like hiring a drug dealer to stop the drug war.

    He said he would 'drain the swamp' meaning get rid of political insiders and he isn't even in office yet and his entire cabinet is nothing but political insiders.

    You've been had people.  It was another con and you fell for it again.

    -------------------

    In terms of Apple and everyone else getting their stuff made overseas.  I think he has point and I agree we need some jobs back.  I don't think most of these factors jobs will come back because no one here wants for work for $12 a day.  But I do think we need to enforce much greater taxes on theses companies and don't give the the 35% BS which we all know exactly NO ONE actually pays.  Apple, along with everyone else, doesn't need 100 Billion $ sitting in Ireland because they don't want to pay taxes.  Change the laws and make it illegal to park your money overseas, and then use the money for Americans.
    You conveniently forget that all the money being held overseas has already been taxed by other countries. Nobody should be taxed twice regardless of how much they have. Increasing taxes has NEVER grown the economy. The US is the only country that so heavily taxes repatriated income.

    but i get taxed by my city, my state & my federal governments...

    certainly, i get to dedicate the cost of the taxes, but all three entities want their money.
    this is kind of how i view the off-shore profits of US-based companies in a globalized economy. all locales where you operate will want to take a chunk of your total.
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  • Reply 156 of 191
    Looks like you'll be paying the same amount for Apple gear that we already do in Europe.
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  • Reply 157 of 191
    Oh wot fun to read all this!  Apple's manufacturing is done wherever it satisfies two criteria:

     Meets quality standards at lowest unit price.  Duh.  It's not a political or ideological decision.

    Those criteria can't be met inside the US and nobody is going to alter all the contributing factors by political means.  It would take a generation of strategic policy, education and cultural change to even come close.  America is niw incapable of pursuing any strategic policy that requires more that about two years.

     Angry white men, with minimal post-high school education, nostalgic for the factory life/income/benefits their grandfathers secured for themselves and enjoyed, were convinced that their shitty lot in life is due to immigrant/outsoured labor.  They were watching The Apprentice, instead of taking night classes toward an engineering degree.  They think Big Daddy will save them.  They feel entitled to more than they can possibly be worth, so the US economy has rightly left them behind.  Sorry.  Law of the Jungle.  
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  • Reply 158 of 191
    k2kw said:
    Single payer or Medicare for all is perfectly constitutional - Even a republican Supreme Court wouldn't dare declare Medicare unconstitutional.
    Neither is constitutional. What someone would “dare” to do has absolutely nothing to do with the constitutionality of said action or the thing being ruled.
    sandor said:
    Sorry. No. We know how the government “calculates” its shit. We know it’s wrong. I don’t care about their dialectic or how they want to try to reframe the definition of ‘unemployed’. I care about the number of working age individuals who aren’t, and it’s nowhere near 4 and a half fucking percent. kamilton said:
    Angry white men
    Keep your racism to yourself.
    were convinced that their shitty lot in life is due to immigrant/outsoured labor.
    That and unacceptable trade deals.
    They were watching The Apprentice, instead of taking night classes toward an engineering degree.
    Sounds like projectionism to me.
    They think Big Daddy will save them.
    Exact opposite, actually. They’re sick of the government telling them what they can do.
    They feel entitled to more than they can possibly be worth
    No, that’s leftists, demanding free everything and socialized everything else.
    so the US economy has rightly left them behind.
    You don’t really get to call it the US economy leaving them behind when the government has done nothing but gut the US economy in favor of foreigners.
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  • Reply 159 of 191
    dewmedewme Posts: 5,966member

    Shadow's from the past:

    MDTA: The Origins of the Manpower Development and Training Act of 1962

    In a special message to the Congress, on May 25, 1961, President John F. Kennedy told the legislators that "Large scale unemployment during a recession is bad enough, but large scale unemployment during a period of prosperity would be intolerable." Four days later, he transmitted a bill to Congress that dealt with just such a situation. The Manpower Development and Training Act of 1962 endeavored to train and retrain thousands of workers unemployed because of automation and technological change.

    Hailed by the country as the first major piece of manpower legislation since the Employment Act of 1946, MDTA did not spring full-grown into John Kennedy's "New Frontier" era. Rather, the preoccupation with manpower utilization since the end of the Second World War reflected the nation's response to certain critical historical factors. The legacy of the depression had served to heighten the country's sensitivity to the issues of unemployment and economic growth. The dawn of the Atomic Age had witnessed the implementation of a new technology that threatened to replace men with machines. Furthermore, the imperatives of the Cold War, with its accent on scientific preeminence, had revealed America's weakness in training skilled technicians in sufficient numbers. The interaction of these components served as a catalyst to propel the federal government into the vanguard of human resource development as envisioned in MDTA.

    https://www.dol.gov/general/aboutdol/history/mono-mdtatext 


    Way back in late 1962, I taught Beginning Programing Classes for a school funded by the MDTA.  The classes were held in the evenings, 3 hrs, and had 10-15 students (totally non-tech).

    It was quite rewarding to see the Aha Moment as each student caught on to the subject.

    Seven years prior to that, I had my own Aha Moment while attending a night class at Pasadena City College:  Introduction to IBM Punched Card Data Processing...  It changed my life!

    My point: there are things that Government and Tech Companies can do together to invest in training  our unemployed and under-employed citizens to get the skills to get good jobs.

    IMO, it is also necessary to realize that not everyone can or wants to learn tech.  I would like to see  Government and Tech Companies invest in vocational training in middle schools through Jr. College. *

    * The aforementioned Pasadena City College held classes where students: 
    • built and sold a house each year
    • rebuilt automobiles
    • various shop skills
    • plumbing/electrician/cement worker
    • ballroom dancing...
    • AIR, they even built an airplane

    Great reminder that the hard skills gap was as pervasive in the 1940s through 1960s as it is today. I've seen it also among new college graduates who have no practical work experience to go along with their shiny new diplomas. To stand out in the job market today you'd better take on internships, apprenticeships, or part time jobs while working towards your degree, unless of course you have a rich daddy who owns a business - or if you like the smell of your mother's basement.

    I'm not going to weigh in on the impact of the newly elected president. But I will say that he is only 1 man and we have 535 members of Congress in place who are also collecting a paycheck at our expense. What could those 535 souls accomplish if the collective attention being directed at the 1 was suddenly directed at the 535? That's a huge collection of supposedly leadership class human capital who are supposedly acting on our behalf and in our best interests. The actions and influence of the 535 should completely blow our minds if they were doing any substantive with the time when they actually show up up for work on our behalf. Why do the 535 get a free pass while we agonize over the 1 person in the White House? The turmoil and conflict resulting from the presidential election results should not mean that the 535 get to fly under the radar and enjoy another 2-year or longer free ride on us. They should also be the gatekeepers / zookeepers making sure that the newbie president and his sidekicks don't crater our nation with hair-brained ideas (i.e., cognitive combover dissonance) or warped ideologies. 535 to 1 odds can work in our favor if they do their jobs.

    baconstang
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    cornchipcornchip Posts: 1,954member
    kamilton said:
    … They think Big Daddy will save them. …
    This. That whole rant. 

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