How is it different? If they have to put in the software to enable this in the future, it's the same thing. Both the GOP and Dems are talking crap on this subject : they are of the same demagogic voice.
Also, they don't realize that if they allow this, this will essentially kill most Apple sales world wide...
There is some huge hellish mound of myopia from all politicians in the US.
If Apple loses this fight, what's going to stop countries like China, Russia, etc from forcing Apple to do the same thing since the U.S. government did it.
Clueless comment from the Whitehouse. Sure it is one phone. But what precedent are we setting with this case. Once a precedent is set how far it will that be reinterpreted in the future for national sec reasons is really the problem here. We are entering a mine field here and how this plays out will definitely have far reaching consequences on privacy and security.
Secondly if FBI is so dependent on the contents of the mobile phone without other avenues for investigation that itself is a significant worry.
Come on Apple, just volunteer to help! Why not? I don't believe the yahoos who are posting comments here for a second that this would wreck the security for "all" iPhones. What? Now there are limits to what we can accomplish technologically? Surely Apple could open up just this one iPhone for the Feds, and get the information they need. How could that endanger all other iPhones out there, including mine?
Surely you could have a clue before commenting. Others in this thread actually have a point, you do not.
So if its not Touch ID, it must be a simple 4 of 6 digit numerical PIN? Is that really all we are talking about? A 4 digit PIN??
iOS 9 so six digit or more depending on the chosen settings. Plus, and this is the FBI's concern, a ten try limit before self-wiping (that from the iCloud backup they have read was set at that last backup, which APPLE gave them).. That the 6 digit passcode would take some uprears to crack they're not concerned about yet....
Should be no surprise to anyone. Apple already participated in anti-American activities back in 2000 when they got the government to do their dirty work for them with regards to the Microsoft monopoly case. No one then, nor now, has more of a monopoly than Apple. They rival the old railroad baron's of the 1800's when it comes to monopolies, but you don't see others bitching; not like they did. And the day after the verdict in 2000, that's the day the dot-bomb happened. How many jobs, how many companies and how much economic activity lost through no fault of their own in most cases, did this verdict supported and pushed by Apple, cause? It's firkin ridiculous to me that Apple has any right to deny the government anything given what they've done in the past, and furthermore, even more hilarious at how many no brain consumers would support such and organization. Better wake the f up people!
What in the hell are you talking about? Anti-American with regards to Microsoft? Apple has a monopoly? Blaming the dot-com crash on Apple? Apple denying the government what now? No brain consumers?
Really?
Really?
Yes we have moved from Jews control the world to Apple controls the World. ;-)
The "probable cause" has been met: the phone was in the physical possession of a murderer. As to what they're really hoping to find? Co-conspirator identities perhaps. BUT the murderers crushed their own private phones and discarded their hard drive so effectively the FBI can't find it so that this phone was simply left behind is a big signal it was used for work and nothing else. So it's going to be useless. But a nice juicy way for the FBI to get it's hands on a hacking software kit if the judge's rule is affirmed in the appeals courts.
This info is useful. So the iPhone is issued by the county? In this case the killer of course will not put too much private info on it.
Which I'm thinking is why unlike their two private phones that they crushed to total destruction, they didn't bother damaging this one.
The uhh, White House believes this uhh, is, uhh about one case, but Apple believes, uhh, creating a backdoor, uhh, could set a dangerous uhh, precedent.
"The President certainly, uhh, believes, uhh, that this, uhh, is an important national priority - OK?"
If I'm not mistaken, the White House is Obama, so I'm waiting to read all of the Obama bashing soon that will be in this thread.
And why wouldn't you bash him for this? Standing behind an invasion of privacy? We all know exactly why DOJ wants this. One single precedent or clue as to how to usurp iPhone security and nobody will ever have privacy again.
Ok FBI do this... Clone the iPhone data to a file... them open it an emulator and try all the 10.000 combinations
A good idea. All the data is on the 16GB flash memory. It could be easily saved to another one. Then put the flash memory on an iOS version that would not self destruct. May be Apple can produce a special version of iOS that do this?
Come on Apple, just volunteer to help! Why not? I don't believe the yahoos who are posting comments here for a second that this would wreck the security for "all" iPhones. What? Now there are limits to what we can accomplish technologically? Surely Apple could open up just this one iPhone for the Feds, and get the information they need. How could that endanger all other iPhones out there, including mine?
they have volunteered help already. start paying attention, or risk looking like an astroturfer:
Tim Cook deserves to be arrested, charged with Contempt of Court and
jailed until he complies. If not for his failure to comply then for his
failure to find a workable solution.
The FBI has stated repeatedly
they are only asking for this one phone so as to determine what, if any,
vital evidence there may be about other persons involved in this
horrific attack. So, why does Apple fail to hold the FBI to that
limitation? Apple should demand that Apple itself maintain physical
security of the phone. Do all the work on Apple's premises, by Apple's
employees. No network connectivity, in a space isolated from a Wi-Fi and
Cell signals. Upon completion the FBI gets the data and Apple wipes the
phone and it's own hack if they so desire.
At that point there is
no more threat of Apple's internal hack reaching the outside world then
there is of Apple's operating system source code or the formula for
Coca-Cola or Kentucky Fried Chicken's secret recipe. If Apple cannot
maintain physical security of information not connected to any outside
system, not live on any powered system, then they are hardly worthwhile
in any case.
Apple should move to comply immediately. With all the safeguards they can think to apply.
Short of that, jail time for the corporate officers and engineers who refuse is the only reasonable response.
Interestingly the US Congress introduced a bill yesterday that would prohibit individual states from requiring back doors on devices because they say the law needs to be established on a national level. Then the next day the FBI tries to force Apple to provide a back door. Clearly no coincidence. If a state such as New York, that already introduced a back door mandate, which has passed the State Senate and Assembly and waiting for the governor's signature, would in all likelihood lose in an Apple appeal because you cannot force Apple to make different phones for different states. That might set an unfavorable precedent against a national law. That is why the feds are trying to move quickly.
Ok FBI do this... Clone the iPhone data to a file... them open it an emulator and try all the 10.000 combinations
Huh, and were will they get this "emulator". The key is likely linked to a device characteristic that's accessed in a very specific way through the software and firmware. You;d have to emulate this software/firmware/hardware interaction in a way to bypass the normal way of checking keys.
That's a major endeavour right there, not some kiddy programming assignment.
If they used a 6 character alphanumeric code there is a hell of a lot more than 10K combination.
BTW, this is another of those, inane remarks in posts < 10; I've counted a lot in the last 2 days.
Tim Cook deserves to be arrested, charged with Contempt of Court and
jailed until he complies. If not for his failure to comply then for his
failure to find a workable solution.
The FBI has stated repeatedly
they are only asking for this one phone so as to determine what, if any,
vital evidence there may be about other persons involved in this
horrific attack. So, why does Apple fail to hold the FBI to that
limitation? Apple should demand that Apple itself maintain physical
security of the phone. Do all the work on Apple's premises, by Apple's
employees. No network connectivity, in a space isolated from a Wi-Fi and
Cell signals. Upon completion the FBI gets the data and Apple wipes the
phone and it's own hack if they so desire.
At that point there is
no more threat of Apple's internal hack reaching the outside world then
there is of Apple's operating system source code or the formula for
Coca-Cola or Kentucky Fried Chicken's secret recipe. If Apple cannot
maintain physical security of information not connected to any outside
system, not live on any powered system, then they are hardly worthwhile
in any case.
Apple should move to comply immediately. With all the safeguards they can think to apply.
Short of that, jail time for the corporate officers and engineers who refuse is the only reasonable response.
Another low post trollish comment.... Hmmm, now, that's what, almost a dozen. Go to Russia were you can get all the state attention you want.
The FBI has stated repeatedly
they are only asking for this one phone so as to determine what, if any,
vital evidence there may be about other persons involved in this
horrific attack.
Because it won't just be one phone. Once a precedent has been established, every Podunk Sheriff from Hazard county will try to force Apple to unlock Duke's iPhone because of a parking ticket.
How is it different? If they have to put in the software to enable this in the future, it's the same thing. Both the GOP and Dems are talking crap on this subject : they are of the same demagogic voice.
Also, they don't realize that if they allow this, this will essentially kill most Apple sales world wide...
There is some huge hellish mound of myopia from all politicians in the US.
If Apple loses this fight, what's going to stop countries like China, Russia, etc from forcing Apple to do the same thing since the U.S. government did it.
What does or does not happen in American courts is meaningless to the Chinese and Russians. China already has a law to force tech companies to provide backdoors to connected devices. They are just beginning to enforce it. Neither the communists nor Russia's strong man government need wait upon America's FBI to give them ideas on this.
Apple should move to comply with the FBI immediately by making a counter-proposal. Either Apple maintains physical security of the hack effort on their own premises, giving nothing back to the FBI but the resulting data, or the fight climbs to the Supreme Court.
I would also appreciate hearing Apple demonstrate that they understand the nature of warfare has changed, or at least expanded. This is a war and they are not displaying the sort of comprehension they should have of what is reasonable to expected of good citizens.
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Which I'm thinking is why unlike their two private phones that they crushed to total destruction, they didn't bother damaging this one.
Josh Earnest is a verbal delinquent.
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Tim Cook deserves to be arrested, charged with Contempt of Court and jailed until he complies. If not for his failure to comply then for his failure to find a workable solution.
The FBI has stated repeatedly they are only asking for this one phone so as to determine what, if any, vital evidence there may be about other persons involved in this horrific attack. So, why does Apple fail to hold the FBI to that limitation? Apple should demand that Apple itself maintain physical security of the phone. Do all the work on Apple's premises, by Apple's employees. No network connectivity, in a space isolated from a Wi-Fi and Cell signals. Upon completion the FBI gets the data and Apple wipes the phone and it's own hack if they so desire.
At that point there is no more threat of Apple's internal hack reaching the outside world then there is of Apple's operating system source code or the formula for Coca-Cola or Kentucky Fried Chicken's secret recipe. If Apple cannot maintain physical security of information not connected to any outside system, not live on any powered system, then they are hardly worthwhile in any case.
Apple should move to comply immediately. With all the safeguards they can think to apply.
Short of that, jail time for the corporate officers and engineers who refuse is the only reasonable response.
You;d have to emulate this software/firmware/hardware interaction in a way to bypass the normal way of checking keys.
That's a major endeavour right there, not some kiddy programming assignment.
If they used a 6 character alphanumeric code there is a hell of a lot more than 10K combination.
BTW, this is another of those, inane remarks in posts < 10; I've counted a lot in the last 2 days.
I choose 0. Thank You TC
Apple should move to comply with the FBI immediately by making a counter-proposal. Either Apple maintains physical security of the hack effort on their own premises, giving nothing back to the FBI but the resulting data, or the fight climbs to the Supreme Court.
I would also appreciate hearing Apple demonstrate that they understand the nature of warfare has changed, or at least expanded. This is a war and they are not displaying the sort of comprehension they should have of what is reasonable to expected of good citizens.
New problem.