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  • Reply 61 of 73
    cornchip said:

    If only that were the biggest problem with the new forum software…
    Please forgive my seizing a tangent and going off-topic, but can anyone tell me how I can follow certain discussions in a way that allows me to pick up where I left off (with the first new or unread comment since the last time I visited)? I haven't been able to figure it out.
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  • Reply 62 of 73
    kamiltonkamilton Posts: 283member
    msantti said:
    ibill said:
    Our government is run by morons.
    Barrack Hussein Obama.

    Head MF in chage.
    Wow.  You need to catch up on history.  First, 9/11 (Steel framed buildings falling at the acceleration due to gravity is impossible = bombs in the buildings = inside job = designed to) scare idiot citizens shitless = passage of the Patriot Act = Idiots give US Government carte blanche freedom to wire tap, search & seize, laugh at Miranda, listen and look at everyone = NSA = Snowden (No Privacy = No Liberty, Did you know all your communications are being monitored?) = Praying on well intentioned Americans (Trusting Goverment Power) = Preemptive invasion of 2 sovereign nations (WMD were fiction, but boy did the US Military Industrial Complex cash in!) = About 1,000,000 innocent civilian human beings (just like you, your mamma, your daddy, your baby, your sister|brother, etc) killed by America (your tax dollars at work) = 4 Trillion of them = Piled on The National Debt, and.........  All that happened before President Obama took office!  

    Doh!  WTF are you smoking dude?  

    Binary:

    1 iPhone Decrypt = No Privacy = No Liberty
    0 iPhone Decrypt = Privacy = Liberty = Viable Democracy 

    My predictions?  

    1. Americans stupid enough to mindlessly trust their government without rational thought or question will get exactly what they deserve = loss of civil rights and physical repression 
    2. Apple will wire the money in and buy every share, go private and move to a safe haven, before it will acquiesce to the CIA and FBI and NSA on the matter of customer data privacy.

    Apple and much of the tech industry are now the only entities making the world safe for democracy.  What are you doing, except handing your credit card number, social security number, bank account numbers and passwords, birth certificate, passport and browser history (oh, look, he likes German Poo porn) over to people you've never met and wouldn't trust to water you houseplants?  Nothing.  That's your contribution.  Nothing.

    My goodness.
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  • Reply 63 of 73
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    kamilton said:
    9/11
    Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa. The only thing legitimately questionable about 9/11 is the official statement that 7 came down due to fire, particularly when the owner is on record stating that it was brought down on purpose.
    1 iPhone Decrypt = No Privacy = No Liberty
    0 iPhone Decrypt = Privacy = Liberty = Viable Republic
    If you can keep it, which we haven’t.
    1. Americans stupid enough to mindlessly trust their government without rational thought or question will get exactly what they deserve = loss of civil rights and physical repression 
    And that’s the problem with democracy.
    2. Apple will wire the money in and buy every share, go private and move to a safe haven, before it will acquiesce to the CIA and FBI and NSA on the matter of customer data privacy.
    I somehow doubt that. Rather they’d move their official headquarters outside the US (they REALLY don’t want to do that) and thus be outside said jurisdiction.
    Apple and much of the tech industry are now the only entities making the world safe for democracy.
    Again, fuck democracy. Apple’s keeping personal liberties safe.

    Though with your statements about 9/11, I’m curious why you don’t subscribe to the theory that this is all for show to make people FEEL safe using Apple products and that Apple already gives the government unencrypted backdoor access to everything. I mean, why not? Why’s that not possible? Snowden seems to think that it’s a scam, but there’s also the theory that Snowden was a government plant to cover up the release of even more important documents. I forget the other guy’s name...

    Oh, and the rest of the tech industry is pretty much complicit with them already. Amazon, for example, just removed encryption from all their devices. They “brought it back”, but obviously that was to wipe any manner of actual security and give backdoors in the new stuff.
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  • Reply 64 of 73
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    lorin schultz said:
    Please forgive my seizing a tangent and going off-topic, but can anyone tell me how I can follow certain discussions in a way that allows me to pick up where I left off (with the first new or unread comment since the last time I visited)? I haven't been able to figure it out.
    I believe it does that automatically. When you’re on the Discussions page and click a thread, you’ll be automatically taken straight to the last post you haven’t read.

    Rather than clicking the dedicated image link we used to have in Huddler, yeah? The one on the far left.
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  • Reply 65 of 73
    T.j.p.t.j.p. Posts: 25member
    This is blatantly unconstitutional. Nowhere in the constitution does it allow creation of laws to abrogate due process, or compel work from a company or individual. Additionally it will spawn a small industry making private apps that do secure communications without a backdoor. Pure and simple this is governmental overreach. And a dangerous intrusion into personal privacy. Any intentional backdoor can be exploited. Apple has not been incrementally improving the technology for protecting the iOS users privacy on a whim. It is an answer to previous weaknesses that have been exploited. 

    I propose a fine of 25% of a congress members salary, or of the presidential salary, where the fine is not tax deductible, for every law or sections of law found unconstitutional that they voted the affirmative for passage or signed into law, or enacted as an executive order, if it becomes effective. Further mandate that an amendment be proposed to the states to amend the approval process for any bills to pass through a committee of 9 constitutional scholars and receive a 2/3 vote of that body before any legislation can become effective. The Supreme Court retains its ability of course for constitutional interpretation exercised now.

    Stop the intrusions into our liberties. Call your representatives in government and demand they adhere to the constitution and not practice the overreach that is so common now. We only have one USA, help preserve it. 
    SpamSandwich
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  • Reply 66 of 73
    jungmarkjungmark Posts: 6,928member
    kamilton said:
    msantti said:
    Barrack Hussein Obama.

    Head MF in chage.
    Wow.  You need to catch up on history.  First, 9/11 (Steel framed buildings falling at the acceleration due to gravity is impossible = bombs in the buildings = inside job = designed to) scare idiot citizens shitless 
    Omg. Not this nonsense. 
    1. What happen to the planes/people?
    2. Why is it impossible to fall at the acceleration of gravity?
    3. How big is this conspiracy? 

    oh and this nonsense has been debunked over and over. 
    SpamSandwich
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  • Reply 67 of 73
    lorin schultz said:
    Please forgive my seizing a tangent and going off-topic, but can anyone tell me how I can follow certain discussions in a way that allows me to pick up where I left off (with the first new or unread comment since the last time I visited)? I haven't been able to figure it out.
    I believe it does that automatically. When you’re on the Discussions page and click a thread, you’ll be automatically taken straight to the last post you haven’t read.

    Rather than clicking the dedicated image link we used to have in Huddler, yeah? The one on the far left.
    When I go to the "Discussions" link there are only two listings, both being threads I started as forum discussions, not related to an article. Threads with comments on articles don't show up. Any idea why that would be? Thanks!
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  • Reply 68 of 73
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    lorin schultz said:
    When I go to the "Discussions" link there are only two listings, both being threads I started as forum discussions, not related to an article. Threads with comments on articles don't show up. Any idea why that would be? Thanks!
    Not this one? That’s what I get.

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  • Reply 69 of 73
    SpamSandwichspamsandwich Posts: 33,407member
    T.j.p. said:
    This is blatantly unconstitutional. Nowhere in the constitution does it allow creation of laws to abrogate due process, or compel work from a company or individual. Additionally it will spawn a small industry making private apps that do secure communications without a backdoor. Pure and simple this is governmental overreach. And a dangerous intrusion into personal privacy. Any intentional backdoor can be exploited. Apple has not been incrementally improving the technology for protecting the iOS users privacy on a whim. It is an answer to previous weaknesses that have been exploited. 

    I propose a fine of 25% of a congress members salary, or of the presidential salary, where the fine is not tax deductible, for every law or sections of law found unconstitutional that they voted the affirmative for passage or signed into law, or enacted as an executive order, if it becomes effective. Further mandate that an amendment be proposed to the states to amend the approval process for any bills to pass through a committee of 9 constitutional scholars and receive a 2/3 vote of that body before any legislation can become effective. The Supreme Court retains its ability of course for constitutional interpretation exercised now.

    Stop the intrusions into our liberties. Call your representatives in government and demand they adhere to the constitution and not practice the overreach that is so common now. We only have one USA, help preserve it. 
    You've hit on exactly why there is little stomach in government for actually adhering to and defending the Constitution...there are no real penalties!

    It may be time for a Fourth Branch of government:  "Public Review." This branch should have the power to bring lawsuits against government employees for violating their oaths of office and the Constitution. The penalties doled out to the violators should include loss of all salary and benefits, repayment of salary and benefits with the aim of paying down the national debt, prohibition from future position in government and prohibition from being hired by any industry connected to said violators former position for a period of 10 years.
    edited March 2016
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  • Reply 70 of 73
    Ok America - This is what your Government thinks of you: YOU ARE ALL IDIOTS
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  • Reply 71 of 73
    I can see why 95% of the globe thinks Americans are such assholes and arrogant pricks.
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  • Reply 72 of 73
    SpamSandwichspamsandwich Posts: 33,407member
    I can see why 95% of the globe thinks Americans are such assholes and arrogant pricks.
    They don't think that.
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  • Reply 73 of 73
    lorin schultz said:
    When I go to the "Discussions" link there are only two listings, both being threads I started as forum discussions, not related to an article. Threads with comments on articles don't show up. Any idea why that would be? Thanks!
    Not this one? That’s what I get.

    Thank you for the pointer (both figurative and literal!  :D). i appreciate your help.

    That link seems to list every discussion in progress. What I'm looking for is a list of only those I'm "following" or "subscribed" to. Perhaps there is no such option. I'll play around with the link you provided though. You know your way around this place so I'm inclined to do what you do.
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