radarthekat said: As for safe areas, your opinion is just one regarding whether there NEEDS to be a 'safe' area where no part of an image is hidden.
That's not my opinion, it's Apple's, as per the video I linked to you previously. I put Safe Area in caps to makes sure there was no miscommunication of the term and its usage. No one is saying that you're unsafe if you go fullscreen.
Well, the notch basically boils down to opinion. I like it. I even think it looks classy.
It does give a sensation of more screen expanse. In part, this is due to the very presence of the notch itself, which is slightly ironic.
Gruber perhaps has gone a little overboard with his reaction but as opinions go it's just one more for the pile.
Although I haven't touched one yet, and therefore have to reserve my final thoughts, I have serious doubts about the metal in the glass sandwich which looks overstated in the photos.
The camera bulge is fugly IMO but I'm not a fan of them even on a good day. Much less when they are off centre but again, this is design opinion and I might be in the minority.
When Gruber really doesn’t like something he’s not shy about voicing it. I said earlier I’d like more Apple PR on how and why some of the decisions were made. If you go to the X product page on Apple’s website they clearly are embracing the notch, not trying to hide it in any way. Which makes me wonder if the thought was the home button was something iconic and once we lose it iPhone will look like every other phone out there and so they embraced the notch because it would make the X unique. If you look at renders that put a black bar at the top and bottom the X becomes indistinguishable from many Android phones. I’m a little surprised we didn’t get dark mode as I think that would have made the notch less of an eyesore
I think you're onto something. The Home button was indeed iconic, the most visible representation of Apple's secret sauce; that which set the iPhone so starkly apart from the universe of phones that existed when it was introduced. The notch does the same thing for the next generation of iPhones; it's where the tentpole feature's underlying magic is housed. It may well be that Apple has decided to embrace the notch for this very reason, to create the statement that 'this is the iPhone, and magic lies here within.'
It’s clear they’ve decided to embrace the notch but I don’t think it’s because they love it but rather they can’t really do what they want right now and they don’t want to look like every Android phone on the market (which is what would be the case had they used small black bezels on the top and bottom).
Pretty much in agreement. They can't hide the sensors, like for ten years they didn't have the tech to hide the Home button functionality under the display, and so they chose to embrace it as iconic. Yup.
I think there would be less criticism of the notch if it was part of a small bezel but then of course you’d lose the rounded corners and it would look like every other smartphone out there. I think people will get used to it quickly but I’d like to see Apple figure out a better way of displaying the UI in landscape mode.
Pretty much in agreement. They can't hide the sensors, like for ten years they didn't have the tech to hide the Home button functionality under the display, and so they chose to embrace it as iconic. Yup.
I think there would be less criticism of the notch if it was part of a small bezel but then of course you’d lose the rounded corners and it would look like every other smartphone out there. I think people will get used to it quickly but I’d like to see Apple figure out a better way of displaying the UI in landscape mode.
It would be easier to produce and I'm sure people would say it's a Samsung knockoff using a Samsung display. People here like to automatically hate anything that isn't Apple but if this was how the iPhone X's chin and forehead looked I'd be impressed.
Pretty much in agreement. They can't hide the sensors, like for ten years they didn't have the tech to hide the Home button functionality under the display, and so they chose to embrace it as iconic. Yup.
I think there would be less criticism of the notch if it was part of a small bezel but then of course you’d lose the rounded corners and it would look like every other smartphone out there. I think people will get used to it quickly but I’d like to see Apple figure out a better way of displaying the UI in landscape mode.
It would be easier to produce and I'm sure people would say it's a Samsung knockoff using a Samsung display. People here like to automatically hate anything that isn't Apple but if this was how the iPhone X's chin and forehead looked I'd be impressed.
sorry. That isn't as impressive as having all 4 corners being bezel free. And having 3 of 4 sides bezel free also.
The Galaxy has zero bezeless corners and only 2 bezeless sides.
The Galaxy basically looks like a 5 year old Galaxy with slightly smaller bezels.
The X looks much more futuristic and beautiful.
And don't forget that the Samsung design requires having the fingerprint sensor AT THE BACK OF THE PHONE. HORRIBLE. Also the NOTCH allows all those amazing sensors/cameras that the Samsung can't compete with. The NOTCH will allow the X to have AR capabilites that the Samsung can't even dream of.
So not only is the X design more beautiful and stunning, its also more practical.
Apple could have EASILY designed a 100% bezeless phone. By just deleting the extra sensors. But then you would not have the amazing AR abilities and would have to have a shitty back of the device fingerprint scanner.
Except the X isn’t bezel free. There’s a thin black bezel that goes around the entire display.
Well, the notch basically boils down to opinion. I like it. I even think it looks classy.
It does give a sensation of more screen expanse. In part, this is due to the very presence of the notch itself, which is slightly ironic.
Gruber perhaps has gone a little overboard with his reaction but as opinions go it's just one more for the pile.
Although I haven't touched one yet, and therefore have to reserve my final thoughts, I have serious doubts about the metal in the glass sandwich which looks overstated in the photos.
The camera bulge is fugly IMO but I'm not a fan of them even on a good day. Much less when they are off centre but again, this is design opinion and I might be in the minority.
When Gruber really doesn’t like something he’s not shy about voicing it. I said earlier I’d like more Apple PR on how and why some of the decisions were made. If you go to the X product page on Apple’s website they clearly are embracing the notch, not trying to hide it in any way. Which makes me wonder if the thought was the home button was something iconic and once we lose it iPhone will look like every other phone out there and so they embraced the notch because it would make the X unique. If you look at renders that put a black bar at the top and bottom the X becomes indistinguishable from many Android phones. I’m a little surprised we didn’t get dark mode as I think that would have made the notch less of an eyesore
I think you're onto something. The Home button was indeed iconic, the most visible representation of Apple's secret sauce; that which set the iPhone so starkly apart from the universe of phones that existed when it was introduced. The notch does the same thing for the next generation of iPhones; it's where the tentpole feature's underlying magic is housed. It may well be that Apple has decided to embrace the notch for this very reason, to create the statement that 'this is the iPhone, and magic lies here within.'
It’s clear they’ve decided to embrace the notch but I don’t think it’s because they love it but rather they can’t really do what they want right now and they don’t want to look like every Android phone on the market (which is what would be the case had they used small black bezels on the top and bottom).
Pretty much in agreement. They can't hide the sensors, like for ten years they didn't have the tech to hide the Home button functionality under the display, and so they chose to embrace it as iconic. Yup.
I think there would be less criticism of the notch if it was part of a small bezel but then of course you’d lose the rounded corners and it would look like every other smartphone out there. I think people will get used to it quickly but I’d like to see Apple figure out a better way of displaying the UI in landscape mode.
Nah.
I like the four corners being bezel free. It looks so sweet.
I view the notch like a rear view mirror on a Ferrari.
The notch in landscape, especially in apps where the UI is white is pretty ugly.
Well, the notch basically boils down to opinion. I like it. I even think it looks classy.
It does give a sensation of more screen expanse. In part, this is due to the very presence of the notch itself, which is slightly ironic.
Gruber perhaps has gone a little overboard with his reaction but as opinions go it's just one more for the pile.
Although I haven't touched one yet, and therefore have to reserve my final thoughts, I have serious doubts about the metal in the glass sandwich which looks overstated in the photos.
The camera bulge is fugly IMO but I'm not a fan of them even on a good day. Much less when they are off centre but again, this is design opinion and I might be in the minority.
When Gruber really doesn’t like something he’s not shy about voicing it. I said earlier I’d like more Apple PR on how and why some of the decisions were made. If you go to the X product page on Apple’s website they clearly are embracing the notch, not trying to hide it in any way. Which makes me wonder if the thought was the home button was something iconic and once we lose it iPhone will look like every other phone out there and so they embraced the notch because it would make the X unique. If you look at renders that put a black bar at the top and bottom the X becomes indistinguishable from many Android phones. I’m a little surprised we didn’t get dark mode as I think that would have made the notch less of an eyesore
I think you're onto something. The Home button was indeed iconic, the most visible representation of Apple's secret sauce; that which set the iPhone so starkly apart from the universe of phones that existed when it was introduced. The notch does the same thing for the next generation of iPhones; it's where the tentpole feature's underlying magic is housed. It may well be that Apple has decided to embrace the notch for this very reason, to create the statement that 'this is the iPhone, and magic lies here within.'
It’s clear they’ve decided to embrace the notch but I don’t think it’s because they love it but rather they can’t really do what they want right now and they don’t want to look like every Android phone on the market (which is what would be the case had they used small black bezels on the top and bottom).
Pretty much in agreement. They can't hide the sensors, like for ten years they didn't have the tech to hide the Home button functionality under the display, and so they chose to embrace it as iconic. Yup.
I think there would be less criticism of the notch if it was part of a small bezel but then of course you’d lose the rounded corners and it would look like every other smartphone out there. I think people will get used to it quickly but I’d like to see Apple figure out a better way of displaying the UI in landscape mode.
Nah.
I like the four corners being bezel free. It looks so sweet.
I view the notch like a rear view mirror on a Ferrari.
The notch in landscape, especially in apps where the UI is white is pretty ugly.
That's an opinion.
many people didn't like the design of the Ferrari Enzo at first. It was new and fresh. it took time for some to get use to it.
Even in landscape the X still has 4 bezeless corners which equal beautiful.
Curious then. Based on your comments you'd consider the 8 and 8+ relatively fugly as is your current iPhone? If not then why not. They are square cornered displays and not nearly bezeless.
Except the X isn’t bezel free. There’s a thin black bezel that goes around the entire display.
While that's fine and will likely be there for years because it helps with the structural integrity of the device (I assume), it would be nice if the display was literally covering the entire front of the device. Perhaps in a decade they'll market Infinity Edge™ (in the vein of an infinity pool), but not like the Note 8 which merely curves two of the sides over.
I found nothing compelling about the X other than the color/build quality and OLED display. The constant face scanning is actually a major turn-off and not something I want. It's actually a lot faster and more convienent to click the home button while pulling the phone out of your pocket and straight to your ear, than bringing the phone to your forward looking face and swiping up before bringing to your ear.
I sense a growing divergence in what people will accept in regards to privacy. I don't think the X will fail, but the face recognition will. For the same reason Oculus failed... it's a step too far in loss of privacy.
The 8 will blow the X out of the water in sales for this reason alone.
I think it's far more likely that the iPhone X will force people like you to learn, rethink your position, then scramble to catch everyone else.
Well, the notch basically boils down to opinion. I like it. I even think it looks classy.
It does give a sensation of more screen expanse. In part, this is due to the very presence of the notch itself, which is slightly ironic.
Gruber perhaps has gone a little overboard with his reaction but as opinions go it's just one more for the pile.
Although I haven't touched one yet, and therefore have to reserve my final thoughts, I have serious doubts about the metal in the glass sandwich which looks overstated in the photos.
The camera bulge is fugly IMO but I'm not a fan of them even on a good day. Much less when they are off centre but again, this is design opinion and I might be in the minority.
When Gruber really doesn’t like something he’s not shy about voicing it. I said earlier I’d like more Apple PR on how and why some of the decisions were made. If you go to the X product page on Apple’s website they clearly are embracing the notch, not trying to hide it in any way. Which makes me wonder if the thought was the home button was something iconic and once we lose it iPhone will look like every other phone out there and so they embraced the notch because it would make the X unique. If you look at renders that put a black bar at the top and bottom the X becomes indistinguishable from many Android phones. I’m a little surprised we didn’t get dark mode as I think that would have made the notch less of an eyesore
I think you're onto something. The Home button was indeed iconic, the most visible representation of Apple's secret sauce; that which set the iPhone so starkly apart from the universe of phones that existed when it was introduced. The notch does the same thing for the next generation of iPhones; it's where the tentpole feature's underlying magic is housed. It may well be that Apple has decided to embrace the notch for this very reason, to create the statement that 'this is the iPhone, and magic lies here within.'
It’s clear they’ve decided to embrace the notch but I don’t think it’s because they love it but rather they can’t really do what they want right now and they don’t want to look like every Android phone on the market (which is what would be the case had they used small black bezels on the top and bottom).
Pretty much in agreement. They can't hide the sensors, like for ten years they didn't have the tech to hide the Home button functionality under the display, and so they chose to embrace it as iconic. Yup.
I think there would be less criticism of the notch if it was part of a small bezel but then of course you’d lose the rounded corners and it would look like every other smartphone out there. I think people will get used to it quickly but I’d like to see Apple figure out a better way of displaying the UI in landscape mode.
Nah.
I like the four corners being bezel free. It looks so sweet.
I view the notch like a rear view mirror on a Ferrari.
The notch in landscape, especially in apps where the UI is white is pretty ugly.
That's an opinion.
many people didn't like the design of the Ferrari Enzo at first. It was new and fresh. it took time for some to get use to it.
Even in landscape the X still has 4 bezeless corners which equal beautiful.
Curious then. Based on your comments you'd consider the 8 and 8+ relatively fugly as is your current iPhone? If not then why not. They are square cornered displays and not nearly bezeless.
There is actually a pretty easy answer to that;
If the trend is now to filleted corners and a uniform bezel width around the screen, which we won't know for a while, then the previous incarnations are, if not ugly, then at least an undesirable legacy of an earlier era of "chins" and "foreheads".
The notch will remain as an iconic differentiator, for at least a few more generations, and one can imagine the R&D that will be spent to win that race!
Gruber had a post noting that a "double tap" would constrain, in effect remove the notch form from the frame, and that this is likely the default mode for video.
Except the X isn’t bezel free. There’s a thin black bezel that goes around the entire display.
While that's fine and will likely be there for years because it helps with the structural integrity of the device (I assume), it would be nice if the display was literally covering the entire front of the device. Perhaps in a decade they'll market Infinity Edge™ (in the vein of an infinity pool), but not like the Note 8 which merely curves two of the sides over.
Here's how that might look in the future.
I kinda like the micro bezel more than zero bezel.
it makes the screen stand out more. A tiny black boarder is real nice!
the iPhone X is the most beautiful phone I've ever seen
I prefer a very minimalist bezel, materials and screen permitting, as long as there isn't a increased risk of damage from drops. That's a very difficult problem to solve.
I kinda like the micro bezel more than zero bezel.
it makes the screen stand out more. A tiny black boarder is real nice!
the iPhone X is the most beautiful phone I've ever seen
I prefer the smaller bezel and lack of notch in my rough-and-dirty mockup, but I do agree that the X is the most beautiful phone I've ever seen. I can't imagine how they can create anything so seamless at scale.
I kinda like the micro bezel more than zero bezel.
it makes the screen stand out more. A tiny black boarder is real nice!
the iPhone X is the most beautiful phone I've ever seen
I prefer the smaller bezel and lack of notch in my rough-and-dirty mockup, but I do agree that the X is the most beautiful phone I've ever seen. I can't imagine how they can create anything so seamless at scale.
HonHai's talent at problem-solving and production can't be appreciated enough. They're not simply some run-of-the-mill Chinese factory operator but instead a significant factor in Apple's runaway success.
Except the X isn’t bezel free. There’s a thin black bezel that goes around the entire display.
While that's fine and will likely be there for years because it helps with the structural integrity of the device (I assume), it would be nice if the display was literally covering the entire front of the device. Perhaps in a decade they'll market Infinity Edge™ (in the vein of an infinity pool), but not like the Note 8 which merely curves two of the sides over.
Here's how that might look in the future.
This is, in fact, a bezel-less, edge to edge screen. The current X bezels are quite thick...
So why do you have to swipe up to get to the home screen when unlocking the device? Why doesn’t Face ID take you directly to the home screen? Seems slower than Touch ID.
IMO for two reasons:
1-It forces a deliberate action to turn on/unlock the phone..
Otherwise accidental glances by the owner or others my triger the unlock.....resulting in unintended unlocks....
....and in case of others accidentally glancing, it would result into unsuccessful unlocks.. after few of which the phone would be forced into passcode unlock mode . Not very practical and convenient.
2-the detection device would have to be on all the time , by forcing a deliberate swipe up.. the detection device will only come on when needed and save battery .
All that said.. i think iphone 8 with glass construction and X with the glass and stainless construction are absolutely Gorgeous!!!
So why do you have to swipe up to get to the home screen when unlocking the device? Why doesn’t Face ID take you directly to the home screen? Seems slower than Touch ID.
IMO for two reasons:
1-It forces a deliberate action to turn on/unlock the phone..
Otherwise accidental glances by the owner or others my triger the unlock.....resulting in unintended unlocks....
....and in case of others accidentally glancing, it would result into unsuccessful unlocks.. after few of which the phone would be forced into passcode unlock mode . Not very practical and convenient.
2-the detection device would have to be on all the time , by forcing a deliberate swipe up.. the detection device will only come on when needed and save battery .
I think accidental unlock is key to their reasoning. It would also render all entire lock screen's information useless if as soon as you glanced at it it would take you to the home screen.
So why do you have to swipe up to get to the home screen when unlocking the device? Why doesn’t Face ID take you directly to the home screen? Seems slower than Touch ID.
IMO for two reasons:
1-It forces a deliberate action to turn on/unlock the phone..
Otherwise accidental glances by the owner or others my triger the unlock.....resulting in unintended unlocks....
....and in case of others accidentally glancing, it would result into unsuccessful unlocks.. after few of which the phone would be forced into passcode unlock mode . Not very practical and convenient.
2-the detection device would have to be on all the time , by forcing a deliberate swipe up.. the detection device will only come on when needed and save battery .
All that said.. i think iphone 8 with glass construction and X with the glass and stainless construction are absolutely Gorgeous!!!
Regarding #2 I believe you are mistaken. Swiping up for home takes place after face authentication.
I believe the reason is to allow one to review the lock screen if desired.
I also wonder whether the home action as a force touch on the bottom edge would be a good option. i have to assume they tested it but not sure why swipe prevailed.
If you think about it - people that post all day, every day, on a site devoted to a company they don't like that makes products they don't intend to buy - has to be some type of mental disorder.
I'd appreciate it if you didn't dis those of us with disordered minds by lumping us in with their ilk.
Well, the notch basically boils down to opinion. I like it. I even think it looks classy.
It does give a sensation of more screen expanse. In part, this is due to the very presence of the notch itself, which is slightly ironic.
Gruber perhaps has gone a little overboard with his reaction but as opinions go it's just one more for the pile.
Although I haven't touched one yet, and therefore have to reserve my final thoughts, I have serious doubts about the metal in the glass sandwich which looks overstated in the photos.
The camera bulge is fugly IMO but I'm not a fan of them even on a good day. Much less when they are off centre but again, this is design opinion and I might be in the minority.
When Gruber really doesn’t like something he’s not shy about voicing it. I said earlier I’d like more Apple PR on how and why some of the decisions were made. If you go to the X product page on Apple’s website they clearly are embracing the notch, not trying to hide it in any way. Which makes me wonder if the thought was the home button was something iconic and once we lose it iPhone will look like every other phone out there and so they embraced the notch because it would make the X unique. If you look at renders that put a black bar at the top and bottom the X becomes indistinguishable from many Android phones. I’m a little surprised we didn’t get dark mode as I think that would have made the notch less of an eyesore
I think you're onto something. The Home button was indeed iconic, the most visible representation of Apple's secret sauce; that which set the iPhone so starkly apart from the universe of phones that existed when it was introduced. The notch does the same thing for the next generation of iPhones; it's where the tentpole feature's underlying magic is housed. It may well be that Apple has decided to embrace the notch for this very reason, to create the statement that 'this is the iPhone, and magic lies here within.'
It’s clear they’ve decided to embrace the notch but I don’t think it’s because they love it but rather they can’t really do what they want right now and they don’t want to look like every Android phone on the market (which is what would be the case had they used small black bezels on the top and bottom).
Pretty much in agreement. They can't hide the sensors, like for ten years they didn't have the tech to hide the Home button functionality under the display, and so they chose to embrace it as iconic. Yup.
I think there would be less criticism of the notch if it was part of a small bezel but then of course you’d lose the rounded corners and it would look like every other smartphone out there. I think people will get used to it quickly but I’d like to see Apple figure out a better way of displaying the UI in landscape mode.
Nah.
I like the four corners being bezel free. It looks so sweet.
I view the notch like a rear view mirror on a Ferrari.
The notch in landscape, especially in apps where the UI is white is pretty ugly.
In images dedicated to this topic, perhaps. I bet in actual usage you will be focused on the Safe Area content and not even notice it. I’d bet this is what they determined during testing it the last year.
Just like photos dedicsted to call out the camera bump. IRL you just take good pics and show them to friends and family, thinking nothing of it. In other words, it’s just OCD.
Pretty much in agreement. They can't hide the sensors, like for ten years they didn't have the tech to hide the Home button functionality under the display, and so they chose to embrace it as iconic. Yup.
I think there would be less criticism of the notch if it was part of a small bezel but then of course you’d lose the rounded corners and it would look like every other smartphone out there. I think people will get used to it quickly but I’d like to see Apple figure out a better way of displaying the UI in landscape mode.
It would be easier to produce and I'm sure people would say it's a Samsung knockoff using a Samsung display. People here like to automatically hate anything that isn't Apple but if this was how the iPhone X's chin and forehead looked I'd be impressed.
One thing you also omit is that this phone is LARGER, so the top to screen area will look smaller. Got that. A Straight bar on the X would look much bigger and it would not look like that.
Not to mention the lost space at the bottom too despite being a large phone.
Also, this thing has a huge as ass BEZEL, the fact they don't call it bezel because of the curved reflective
zone. Usable non distorted content is very small on this really crappy
phone that I actually used in person and it looks nothing like that.
I'm tired of people producing publicity shots as proof of anything by the way : stop it..
Forgetting the size of the phone is basically a convenient omission when talking about the Iphone (or even the Apple Watch).. It matters to the argument and the engineering of it.
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Here's how that might look in the future.
If the trend is now to filleted corners and a uniform bezel width around the screen, which we won't know for a while, then the previous incarnations are, if not ugly, then at least an undesirable legacy of an earlier era of "chins" and "foreheads".
The notch will remain as an iconic differentiator, for at least a few more generations, and one can imagine the R&D that will be spent to win that race!
That makes sense to me.
I believe the reason is to allow one to review the lock screen if desired.
I also wonder whether the home action as a force touch on the bottom edge would be a good option. i have to assume they tested it but not sure why swipe prevailed.
Just like photos dedicsted to call out the camera bump. IRL you just take good pics and show them to friends and family, thinking nothing of it. In other words, it’s just OCD.
One thing you also omit is that this phone is LARGER, so the top to screen area will look smaller. Got that.
A Straight bar on the X would look much bigger and it would not look like that.
Not to mention the lost space at the bottom too despite being a large phone.
Also, this thing has a huge as ass BEZEL, the fact they don't call it bezel because of the curved reflective zone.
Usable non distorted content is very small on this really crappy phone that I actually used in person and it looks nothing like that.
I'm tired of people producing publicity shots as proof of anything by the way : stop it..
Forgetting the size of the phone is basically a convenient omission when talking about the Iphone (or even the Apple Watch)..
It matters to the argument and the engineering of it.