With regards to the watch I don't think Steve would have been happy with version 1.0. And I don't think he would have been happy with the UI or UX, both of which have changed since. He would have been happy with the build quality and materials.
They really did change things up a lot between all the versions of watchOS so far, especially the improved performance between watchOS 1.x and 2.x, which is major reason for me sticking with Series 0 until Series 3 came out.
My guess is that watchOS 4 won't have as many radical UI changes (comparatively) since watchOS 3 seems very stable, smooth, and usable, to me. Less than a month before we likely find out.
PS: Hey, @crowley, you see how asdasd wrote "I don't think" instead of "if Steve were alive"? That's the difference. #TeachableMoment
Stands to reason. Hard to believe Jobs would approve of this joke of a product
At some point in the future people won’t carry a wallet or keys. What product would you suggest incorporate those capabilities? Today people swipe a fob or keycard to gain access to their workplace. Are you suggesting we take out our phones to swipe instead, or would it be more natural and convenient to swipe a watch past the reader? Same for paying for things, as we already see. The Watch will take on many such convenience tasks. Even when streaming music from my iPhone through wired earbuds while on a plane or public transport, I find it super convenient to leave the phone in my lap or pocket while using the watch to pause or reduce volume when a travel companion wants to say something or have a short verbal exchange. Beats frequently pulling an earbud out. Adjusting lights, temperature, accessing a hotel room while toting bags, checking the weather forecast, etc. Many tasks are more convenient with a wrist-worn computer. Even checking the time.
This kind of futuristic thinking can be debunked fairly easily. Keys? A watch thats a key depends on it not getting lost or stolen or you are locked out of everywhere. At the moment I keep spare house keys in work. I can access work with a card kept in my wallet. Some of my credit cards are back in the house. So if I lose my wallet I am not broke and if I lose my keys I am not locked out, only losing both would be a disaster.
And your access to your house or work, if watch based, depends on the watch being powered up.
Wallets won't go anywhere as long as at least some transactions are cash based. Plenty are - tips being one example.
With regards to the watch I don't think Steve would have been happy with version 1.0. And I don't think he would have been happy with the UI or UX, both of which have changed since. He would have been happy with the build quality and materials.
They really did change things up a lot between all the versions of watchOS so far, especially the improved performance between watchOS 1.x and 2.x, which is major reason for me sticking with Series 0 until Series 3 came out.
My guess is that watchOS 4 won't have as many radical UI changes (comparatively) since watchOS 3 seems very stable, smooth, and usable, to me. Less than a month before we likely find out.
PS: Hey, @crowley, you see how asdasd wrote "I don't think" instead of "if Steve were alive"? That's the difference. #TeachableMoment
Stands to reason. Hard to believe Jobs would approve of this joke of a product
At some point in the future people won’t carry a wallet or keys. What product would you suggest incorporate those capabilities? Today people swipe a fob or keycard to gain access to their workplace. Are you suggesting we take out our phones to swipe instead, or would it be more natural and convenient to swipe a watch past the reader? Same for paying for things, as we already see. The Watch will take on many such convenience tasks. Even when streaming music from my iPhone through wired earbuds while on a plane or public transport, I find it super convenient to leave the phone in my lap or pocket while using the watch to pause or reduce volume when a travel companion wants to say something or have a short verbal exchange. Beats frequently pulling an earbud out. Adjusting lights, temperature, accessing a hotel room while toting bags, checking the weather forecast, etc. Many tasks are more convenient with a wrist-worn computer. Even checking the time.
This kind of futuristic thinking can be debunked fairly easily. Keys? A watch thats a key depends on it not getting lost or stolen or you are locked out of everywhere. At the moment I keep spare house keys in work. I can access work with a card kept in my wallet. Some of my credit cards are back in the house. So if I lose my wallet I am not broke and if I lose my keys I am not locked out, only losing both would be a disaster.
And your access to your house or work, if watch based, depends on the watch being powered up.
Wallets won't go anywhere as long as at least some transactions are cash based. Plenty are - tips being one example.
I wouldn't be so sure about that. There are already several banks that allow Apple Pay at the ATM if you need to get cash.
I think the bigger hurdle of removing the wallet will be getting a state or national ID onto your digital device, and even then I'm not sure I'd trust it if I had to give that over to law enforcement to check. Hopefully we'll see some secure protocol set up where you can transfer that data via NFC (for example), along with your registration, and insurance card to law enforcement if, say you get pulled over for speeding.
As for a watch being lost or stolen, the same can be said about a wallet and keys being lost or stolen. You have some cards back at home and you have a key at work, but it doesn't sound like you have all your cards back home and you have to know that it's not common for people to have 24 hour access to their work, especially without an ID or keys (and I'm not sure I'd trust having my spare house and car keys in an unsecured area of work.
The beauty of *Pay systems (Apple Pay, Android Pay, and Samsung Pay) is that once we can leave all our cards at home. If our smartphone is stolen we can kill those aliased cards on that device without having all new cards reissued, or having to kill all the cards on our smartwatch or tablet. And since the Watch is attached to our person I'd argue that it's safer than an iPhone, iPad, or wallet, not to mention the inherent security of *Pay systems.
What I think the future will hold isn't a watch you wear, but something that's in the body. Imagine having a system with a Secure Element that is powered for years using body heat and that can be programmed and updated by your smartwatch. A system that holds all your card data and ID data as these amount to practically virtually no data by today's standards, even with massive encryption added. These could potentially still be stolen, but I think the chances of this is rare.
These systems could also be used for tracking your health better than the current Apple Watch which has to send light thought the skin to read results. There could even be a pill you could swallow on a daily basis that could transmit data to the other injected device in the dermis that could relay to an Apple Watch or iPhone that can , or other injectable devices that could transmit data from the rest of the body.
Right now, exercise is a limited since the Watch has to go by the results of a single wrist. If you've ever gone grocery shopping and you keep your Watch arm on the cart when walking around the store you may have noticed that you're steps aren't being counted correctly. Having a small injectable device near your wrists and ankles could allow for a considerably more precise results, which could also allow for better diagnosis of your health. For example, doesn't the left arm typically get numb during a heart attack. If so, could having multiple sensors in the body be able to tell when that's about to occur because of how the blood oxygen levels in the left arm are lower than they should be?
All that is probably a decade or more away from being a feasible reality, but I think that's where we're headed.
PS: You can do tips just fine with Apple Pay, or you can also use Apple Pay Cash if you want to just send someone money, but even if you want to use cash for a tip, that doesn't mean you can't also carry some cash in your pocket loosely or in a money clip, instead of a bulky wallet. Apple Pay means that cash is going away just as credit cards and checks meant that cash was going away. Even as one gains in popularity it doesn't mean that another one won't still be useful in some fashion. Have you not been carrying CCs, a debit card, and cash with you for decades?
With regards to the watch I don't think Steve would have been happy with version 1.0. And I don't think he would have been happy with the UI or UX, both of which have changed since. He would have been happy with the build quality and materials.
They really did change things up a lot between all the versions of watchOS so far, especially the improved performance between watchOS 1.x and 2.x, which is major reason for me sticking with Series 0 until Series 3 came out.
My guess is that watchOS 4 won't have as many radical UI changes (comparatively) since watchOS 3 seems very stable, smooth, and usable, to me. Less than a month before we likely find out.
PS: Hey, @crowley, you see how asdasd wrote "I don't think" instead of "if Steve were alive"? That's the difference. #TeachableMoment
With regards to the watch I don't think Steve would have been happy with version 1.0. And I don't think he would have been happy with the UI or UX, both of which have changed since. He would have been happy with the build quality and materials.
They really did change things up a lot between all the versions of watchOS so far, especially the improved performance between watchOS 1.x and 2.x, which is major reason for me sticking with Series 0 until Series 3 came out.
My guess is that watchOS 4 won't have as many radical UI changes (comparatively) since watchOS 3 seems very stable, smooth, and usable, to me. Less than a month before we likely find out.
PS: Hey, @crowley, you see how asdasd wrote "I don't think" instead of "if Steve were alive"? That's the difference. #TeachableMoment
It's ironic that someone that still uses two spaces after a sentence is dishing out grammar advice.
It's funny that you also don't seem to know what grammar is, since this isn't an issue of grammar, it's semantics.
I have annoying residual muscle memory that means I occasionally double space after a period. I don't claim it's correct, but it doesn't do any harm. Oh look I did it again, now you won't be able to understand anything I'm typing!
I still wonder if Jobs had talked about it with anyone or had jotted down anything about this being a potential future market as technology advanced since it started being formed only a couple months after his death. I know I was thinking about the potential of wrist-worn wearables from Apple even while Jobs was CEO.
Right? I mean I think we all were. I guess we can only take him at his word, but I find it a little difficult to believe that he and Steve NEVER even discussed Apple doing a watch.
I think it's plausible. Ive designed the look of the products, for the most part, right? I assume that they to already have gone from some basic state of getting engineers to see if the internal components can be small enough, if the performance can he high enough, and other factors, like the OS, can be made within a reasonable time frame.
Does Ive really need the distraction of discussing with Jobs about some potential product that he can't work on and could be years away from being a reality? Personally, I wouldn't bring Ive into the fold until after my systems engineers (at the very least) could figure out exactly what they could bring to an Apple Watch product first.
Read Isaacson’s bio or the Becoming Steve Jobs book. Jony Ive was not someone who just came in and styled something the engineering team built. According to the Becoming Steve Jobs author Steve and Jony met every day. There’s no way Steve was discussing Apple making a watch and Ive not knowing about it.
I still wonder if Jobs had talked about it with anyone or had jotted down anything about this being a potential future market as technology advanced since it started being formed only a couple months after his death. I know I was thinking about the potential of wrist-worn wearables from Apple even while Jobs was CEO.
Right? I mean I think we all were. I guess we can only take him at his word, but I find it a little difficult to believe that he and Steve NEVER even discussed Apple doing a watch.
I think it's plausible. Ive designed the look of the products, for the most part, right? I assume that they to already have gone from some basic state of getting engineers to see if the internal components can be small enough, if the performance can he high enough, and other factors, like the OS, can be made within a reasonable time frame.
Does Ive really need the distraction of discussing with Jobs about some potential product that he can't work on and could be years away from being a reality? Personally, I wouldn't bring Ive into the fold until after my systems engineers (at the very least) could figure out exactly what they could bring to an Apple Watch product first.
Read Isaacson’s bio or the Becoming Steve Jobs book. Jony Ive was not someone who just came in and styled something the engineering team built. According to the Becoming Steve Jobs author Steve and Jony met every day. There’s no way Steve was discussing Apple making a watch and Ive not knowing about it.
Why not? There are people I talk to every day across a wide variety of fields whom I don't consult with on topics until later down the road. Why can't Jobs and Ive have talked about a great number of active projects before Steve wanted to tell him one of the reasons he wants their chip designers to make an even smaller and more efficient SoC or a PoP? Like I said, I literally do every day.
I am glad Apple Watch was developed. I am wearing it and loving it.
Long term, the watch has the potential to replace the iPhone for many people. Were Apple to allow us to use an iPad for the sync of the watch combined with an LTE watch, most of us would not need the phone.
Give me an up to date iPad mini (with CarPlay) and an LTE watch that can pair and share and I will never buy another iPhone.
Not sure Apple would do that, but the potential is there.
I think a lot of negative comments stem from how the Apple Watch works in comparison to other iOS products. It can be confusing and frustrating to some people.
Some people looked at the 1st gen watch and saw how slow it was, how confusing it was to setup, the fact that if you do a software update and brick it, you have to ship it to Apple to fix it, how slow it is to restore when it really doesn't have all that much to load, etc. They took all of that and decided it wasn't a good product or should even be called an Apple product.
I get that you can tell it was a post Jobs product, but I believe it had the spirit of Steve, it didn't have the conflict that Steve would create when making a product. That's what made their products great. If you don't have that push to be a little better and have competition between engineering groups, then you get mediocre products which is what the original watch was.
Sure you can compare it to the iPhone and say this is a new space and it's not fair that I'm so hard on a 1st gen product, maybe. I guess since there isn't a Steve Jobs to go with it to explain why it has the shortcomings it does, it will always be looked down upon.
Tim, Phil, Jony, Craig, Jeff can't hold a candle to Steve when it comes to presentations. He would have sold that watch and all the naysayers would have bought at least 1.
Plus Steve and Kevin Lynch hated each other over flash, you know how that turned out.
“The Spirit of Steve”?
Oh, give me a break.
The G4 Cube The Hockey Puck Mouse
Apple II Original Macintosh Laserwriter Nextcube iMac iBook iPod Macbook MacBook Pro Mac Mini Airport iphone ipad
Hows that for a break?
I guess you don't see it. Those were just flukes right?
The spirit of Steve is what is in those products, just as they are in the two you mentioned.
Some people like the cube and the puck mouse. I didn't care for the mouse, but the computer it came with was awesome. I sold my cube for a lot more than I paid for it when it came out. You could compare it to today's Mac Mini.
IMO the AW is years away from something I would want. It’s just way too bulky and ugly. They need to develop an ultra slim version but I can understand that is difficult.
IMO the AW is years away from something I would want. It’s just way too bulky and ugly. They need to develop an ultra slim version but I can understand that is difficult.
I can understand that. I certainly think it looks bulky in images, but on the wrist it doesn’t look or feel that way, to me, and it’s been shown previously that it’s thinner than many higher end watches.
I wonder how much thinner they will make it, even if they could since the Digital Crown seems to be a key factor for the device. There’s not too much space between it and the wrist and I don’t want the dial to come much close for the top of the device, or get smaller. Maybe they will remove it completely in the future for a different mechanism, but I’m not sure what that could be.
Stands to reason. Hard to believe Jobs would approve of this joke of a product
Except I don't buy it. Just before Jobs died, Apple released an update to the iPod nano with a dozen custom watch faces. Apple and Jobs were aware the iPod was being worn in this manner and used as a wristwatch, and wanted to encourage it's use. Following his death, that nano model was discontinued, and support for it ended. No more watch updates. Given that Jobs was fully behind the nano being used as a watch, it seems rather unlikely that he wouldn't have backed the Apple Watch. And frankly, I don't believe he didn't discuss it as a possibility. Stranger things have happened, but it's implausible to me that Jobs was both aware of the nano's popularity as a watch and ignorant of that potential being developed further.
Took the words right out of my mouth, can’t believe Johny said that!
Stands to reason. Hard to believe Jobs would approve of this joke of a product
At some point in the future people won’t carry a wallet or keys. What product would you suggest incorporate those capabilities? Today people swipe a fob or keycard to gain access to their workplace. Are you suggesting we take out our phones to swipe instead, or would it be more natural and convenient to swipe a watch past the reader? Same for paying for things, as we already see. The Watch will take on many such convenience tasks. Even when streaming music from my iPhone through wired earbuds while on a plane or public transport, I find it super convenient to leave the phone in my lap or pocket while using the watch to pause or reduce volume when a travel companion wants to say something or have a short verbal exchange. Beats frequently pulling an earbud out. Adjusting lights, temperature, accessing a hotel room while toting bags, checking the weather forecast, etc. Many tasks are more convenient with a wrist-worn computer. Even checking the time.
This kind of futuristic thinking can be debunked fairly easily. Keys? A watch thats a key depends on it not getting lost or stolen or you are locked out of everywhere. At the moment I keep spare house keys in work. I can access work with a card kept in my wallet. Some of my credit cards are back in the house. So if I lose my wallet I am not broke and if I lose my keys I am not locked out, only losing both would be a disaster.
And your access to your house or work, if watch based, depends on the watch being powered up.
Wallets won't go anywhere as long as at least some transactions are cash based. Plenty are - tips being one example.
Keys aren't required except as a backup to a backup. Watch as primary, code as secondary and keys for when the lock itself has no juice and is not required to be carried. Losing your keys is generally easier than losing your watch.
You won't need to carry credit cards or cash unless you happen to lose the use of both watch and phone once everyone accepts electronic money transfer.
A future where keys and wallets can be skipped is not all that far off. If my watch could act as the key fob for my car I wouldn't need to carry any keys except for my office. There are products on the market to remote start your car using your Apple Watch but they are a little buggy still.
My kids today carry zero keys. As electronic locks become more ubiquitous that will carry forward into adulthood. Wallets in the near term will be harder because you often need physical ID.
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My guess is that watchOS 4 won't have as many radical UI changes (comparatively) since watchOS 3 seems very stable, smooth, and usable, to me. Less than a month before we likely find out.
PS: Hey, @crowley, you see how asdasd wrote "I don't think" instead of "if Steve were alive"? That's the difference. #TeachableMoment
This kind of futuristic thinking can be debunked fairly easily. Keys? A watch thats a key depends on it not getting lost or stolen or you are locked out of everywhere. At the moment I keep spare house keys in work. I can access work with a card kept in my wallet. Some of my credit cards are back in the house. So if I lose my wallet I am not broke and if I lose my keys I am not locked out, only losing both would be a disaster.
And your access to your house or work, if watch based, depends on the watch being powered up.
Wallets won't go anywhere as long as at least some transactions are cash based. Plenty are - tips being one example.
I think the bigger hurdle of removing the wallet will be getting a state or national ID onto your digital device, and even then I'm not sure I'd trust it if I had to give that over to law enforcement to check. Hopefully we'll see some secure protocol set up where you can transfer that data via NFC (for example), along with your registration, and insurance card to law enforcement if, say you get pulled over for speeding.
As for a watch being lost or stolen, the same can be said about a wallet and keys being lost or stolen. You have some cards back at home and you have a key at work, but it doesn't sound like you have all your cards back home and you have to know that it's not common for people to have 24 hour access to their work, especially without an ID or keys (and I'm not sure I'd trust having my spare house and car keys in an unsecured area of work.
The beauty of *Pay systems (Apple Pay, Android Pay, and Samsung Pay) is that once we can leave all our cards at home. If our smartphone is stolen we can kill those aliased cards on that device without having all new cards reissued, or having to kill all the cards on our smartwatch or tablet. And since the Watch is attached to our person I'd argue that it's safer than an iPhone, iPad, or wallet, not to mention the inherent security of *Pay systems.
What I think the future will hold isn't a watch you wear, but something that's in the body. Imagine having a system with a Secure Element that is powered for years using body heat and that can be programmed and updated by your smartwatch. A system that holds all your card data and ID data as these amount to practically virtually no data by today's standards, even with massive encryption added. These could potentially still be stolen, but I think the chances of this is rare.
These systems could also be used for tracking your health better than the current Apple Watch which has to send light thought the skin to read results. There could even be a pill you could swallow on a daily basis that could transmit data to the other injected device in the dermis that could relay to an Apple Watch or iPhone that can , or other injectable devices that could transmit data from the rest of the body.
Right now, exercise is a limited since the Watch has to go by the results of a single wrist. If you've ever gone grocery shopping and you keep your Watch arm on the cart when walking around the store you may have noticed that you're steps aren't being counted correctly. Having a small injectable device near your wrists and ankles could allow for a considerably more precise results, which could also allow for better diagnosis of your health. For example, doesn't the left arm typically get numb during a heart attack. If so, could having multiple sensors in the body be able to tell when that's about to occur because of how the blood oxygen levels in the left arm are lower than they should be?
All that is probably a decade or more away from being a feasible reality, but I think that's where we're headed.
PS: You can do tips just fine with Apple Pay, or you can also use Apple Pay Cash if you want to just send someone money, but even if you want to use cash for a tip, that doesn't mean you can't also carry some cash in your pocket loosely or in a money clip, instead of a bulky wallet. Apple Pay means that cash is going away just as credit cards and checks meant that cash was going away. Even as one gains in popularity it doesn't mean that another one won't still be useful in some fashion. Have you not been carrying CCs, a debit card, and cash with you for decades?
I have annoying residual muscle memory that means I occasionally double space after a period. I don't claim it's correct, but it doesn't do any harm. Oh look I did it again,
Were Apple to allow us to use an iPad for the sync of the watch combined with an LTE watch, most of us would not need the phone.
Give me an up to date iPad mini (with CarPlay) and an LTE watch that can pair and share and I will never buy another iPhone.
Not sure Apple would do that, but the potential is there.
Original Macintosh
Laserwriter
Nextcube
iMac
iBook
iPod
Macbook
MacBook Pro
Mac Mini
Airport
iphone
ipad
Hows that for a break?
I guess you don't see it.
Those were just flukes right?
The spirit of Steve is what is in those products,
just as they are in the two you mentioned.
Some people like the cube and the puck mouse.
I didn't care for the mouse, but the computer it came with was awesome. I sold my cube for a lot more than I paid for it when it came out. You could compare it to today's Mac Mini.
I wonder how much thinner they will make it, even if they could since the Digital Crown seems to be a key factor for the device. There’s not too much space between it and the wrist and I don’t want the dial to come much close for the top of the device, or get smaller. Maybe they will remove it completely in the future for a different mechanism, but I’m not sure what that could be.
You won't need to carry credit cards or cash unless you happen to lose the use of both watch and phone once everyone accepts electronic money transfer.
A future where keys and wallets can be skipped is not all that far off. If my watch could act as the key fob for my car I wouldn't need to carry any keys except for my office. There are products on the market to remote start your car using your Apple Watch but they are a little buggy still.
My kids today carry zero keys. As electronic locks become more ubiquitous that will carry forward into adulthood. Wallets in the near term will be harder because you often need physical ID.