MacBook, MacBook Air or MacBook Pro: which one is right for you?

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Apple has more choices than ever before in its portable lineup, with a fair amount of overlap between the models, especially at the $1200 price point. AppleInsider has them all, and has suggestions for which model is right for you.

The MacBook models, stacked
The MacBook models, stacked


With so much in common between these MacBooks, this is a hard decision for most. Let's break them down into the categories that really matter, starting with portability.



Portability

The 12-inch MacBook is by far the thinnest and lightest of them all, weighing in at only 2 pounds compared to 2.75 pounds for the Air, 3 pounds for the 13-inch MacBook Pro and 4 pounds for the 15-inch MacBook Pro.

The varying weights of the MacBook models for 2018
The varying weights of the MacBook models for 2018


As for the MacBook Air, it's basically as large as the 13-inch MacBook Pro, so portability should be essentially identical, other than being a quarter of a pound lighter.

From a geometry standpoint, the MacBook Pros and MacBook are flat. The MacBook Air, which retains the a wedge design that is thinner near the front end, but thicker than both the MacBook Pro and MacBook at its thickest point.

Showing the wedge design of the 13-inch MacBook Air
Showing the wedge design of the 13-inch MacBook Air

Display

Every single one of Apple's portables has a high-quality Retina resolution display, but there are some differences that you should know about.

Even though the new 2018 MacBook Air is the newest, it actually has the worst display of the trio of models. It has the least color accurate and is the dimmest display -- but still better than inexpensive Windows alternatives. The 12-inch MacBook's display is brighter and it supports a wider range of colors.

Now if you really care about the display, the MacBook Pro features 500 nits of brightness and P3 wide-color gamut support. This is a big deal if you use your laptop outside or you want to minimize bright reflections on the screen.

Showing True Tone on the 13-inch MacBook Pro.
Showing True Tone on the 13-inch MacBook Pro.


On top of that, the Touch Bar MacBook Pro also has True Tone, a feature that adjusts the color balance of the display to match your environment. The utility of this is a matter of opinion, and is worth checking out for yourself.

Audio

The 12-inch MacBook offers the quietest speakers with the least amount of bass as you'd expect, given the limited internal volume of the device. Volume and bass increases some on the 13-inch MacBook Air.

Audio testing the 2018 15-inch MacBook Pro
Audio testing the 2018 15-inch MacBook Pro


Going to the 13-inch MacBook Pro, everything gets better. The volume increases significantly, the bass is deeper and punchier, and the highs become very crisp and clear. The 15-inch MacBook Pro gets even louder speakers with more bass and a well rounded sound.

Typing and Touch Bar

Now onto the keyboards, they're all packing Apple's butterfly keys, but the new 13-inch MacBook Air and the 2018 Touch Bar MacBook Pro features the third-generation mechanisms, which include a silicon barrier beneath the keyboard that's Apple says is to make it a quieter typing experience. The effect of the membrane on reliability is yet to be determined.

While there has been a lot of noise about the keyboard failures, the actual failure rate is pretty low, and even lower on the 2017 MacBook Pro than on the 2016 MacBook Pro. The extra peace of mind that the membrane may generate is nice to have, and it does in fact makes the keyboard quieter as Apple promised as well.

Showing the keyboard slope difference between the MacBook Air and MacBook Pro
Showing the keyboard slope difference between the MacBook Air and MacBook Pro


Apart from that, the MacBook Air that features a wedge shape design is a little bit more comfortable to type on since the keyboard slopes downward towards the front edge. But, this is an incredibly personal thing, and worth spending some time on all of the keyboards to suss out for yourself.

If you love large trackpads, the 15-inch Pro has the biggest, and the 12-inch MacBook obviously has the smallest. The 13-inch MacBook Air has a considerably smaller trackpad than the 13-inch MacBook Pro, which is interesting because the machines themselves are basically the same size.

Comparing the trackpads between the 15-inch MacBook Pro and the 12-inch Retina MacBook
Comparing the trackpads between the 15-inch MacBook Pro and the 12-inch Retina MacBook


The 2018 MacBook Pros also come with the Touch Bar, giving you interactive and customizable buttons, along with a Touch ID sensor for logging in and using Apple Pay. The new MacBook Air also gets the Touch ID sensor even though it's missing the Touch Bar -- that's a nice plus for that model, considering it's the cheapest.

Models with Touch ID also come with Apple's T2 security chip. We've spoken at some length about what the T2 does for you, and some restrictions that it can apply in the interest of security.

The Touch Bars of the MacBook Pro models
The Touch Bars of the MacBook Pro models

Ports and connectivity

The 12-inch MacBook only gets a single USB 3.1 type C port, so if you want to charge and transfer data at the same time, you'll have to buy a hub. Given the USB-only nature of the port, you're limited to only 5 gigabits per second transfer speed instead of 40 on the rest of Apple's portable line that all have USB-C Thunderbolt 3 ports.

The Thunderbolt 3 ports on each of the MacBook models are all roughly in the same place
The Thunderbolt 3 ports on each of the MacBook models are all roughly in the same place


The MacBook Air and the 13-inch MacBook Pro with Function Keys both get two Thunderbolt 3 ports. Both of the 2018 Touch Bar MacBook Pro sizes get four, so they're the best options if you own a lot of peripherals.

Battery life

For battery life, the new MacBook Air is rated at 12 hours compared to 10 hours on the rest of the MacBooks, so if battery life is what you're after, the Air is the best option.

A comparison of battery life between models
A comparison of battery life between models


And if you love using FaceTime, they're all packing HD webcams except for the 12" MacBook, which only gets a 480P FaceTime camera.

Performance

Finally, let's talk about performance, starting with the processors.

All but the Touch Bar MacBook Pro have dual-core processors. The 13-inch Touch Bar MacBook Pro has a quad-core processor and the 15-inch model has a six-core processor.

Looking at the quad- and six-core MacBook Pro's raw processing power with Geekbench 4 versus the dual-core models, there is no doubt that they are significantly faster than the dual-core models thanks to the extra cores. There is a small spike in performance with the 13-inch MacBook Pro with Function Keys versus the MacBook and MacBook Air.

Geekbench 4's multi-core test scores
Geekbench 4's multi-core test scores


We also looked at performance per dollar using the full retail price of each MacBook, and the 2018 13-inch quad-core MacBook Pro comes out on top, with the 15-inch model trailing slightly behind. As expected, the 12-inch MacBook gives you extremely low performance per dollar, unsurprising, given that the model prioritizes portability over all other factors.

Geekbench 4's multi-core test scores, per dollar
Geekbench 4's multi-core test scores, per dollar


One thing to note is that the 12-inch MacBook is the only laptop in this comparison without a fan, so performance can take a bigger hit if it starts to heat up -- but this varies a great deal on workload.

Now looking at raw graphics performance with Geekbench 4, the MacBook Pros have a huge advantage here. The 15-inch MacBook Pro is the clear leader in terms of performance, because it's the only model with a dedicated graphics chip.

Geekbench 4's graphics test scores
Geekbench 4's graphics test scores


As for graphics performance per dollar, the 13-inch MacBook Pro with Function Keys wins out here because of low price, and the 15-inch MacBook Pro is right behind it.

Geekbench 4's graphics test scores, per dollar
Geekbench 4's graphics test scores, per dollar

So, which model?

So if you're still confused on which MacBook you should buy, I'll break it down for you.

If you want the thinnest, lightest MacBook you can get, and you don't really care about performance, ports, webcam quality, or having the best speakers, then buy the 12-inch MacBook.

If you want the absolute best battery life, Touch ID and the third-generation keyboard, but you don't care that much about performance, display brightness, the smaller trackpad, or the slower power adapter, then go with new 13-inch MacBook Air.

Extra performance, better speakers, and a very bright and color accurate display can be had with the 13-inch MacBook Pro with function Keys, assuming you don't care much for Touch ID, and you don't have the money to spend on the 2018 Touch Bar MacBook Pro.

The 2018 MacBook collection, from above
The 2018 MacBook collection, from above


The best processor performance you can get for your dollar is in the 13-inch MacBook Pro with Touch Bar and its quad-core processor. You'll get four Thunderbolt 3 ports, the Touch Bar with Touch ID, the T2 security chip and the third-generation keyboard.

If you're someone who wants the absolute best, with the biggest trackpad, the best speakers, the biggest display, and the highest performance you can get with a powerful six-core processor and a dedicated graphics chip for intense rendering tasks, then definitely go for the 15-inch MacBook Pro.

Where to buy

The holidays are quickly approaching and you're probably trying to figure out which Macbook to buy, whether it's for yourself, or as a gift.

Everything Apple sells is on sale at some historically low prices, and often with an exclusive coupon code. To find the lowest prices on Apple's 12-inch MacBook, 13-inch MacBook Air or 2018 MacBook Pro, be sure to check out our Price Guides linked below. Updated throughout the day, the Price Guides display the best deals across multiple Apple authorized resellers leading up to Black Friday and throughout the holiday season -- with discounts of up to $1,200 off.

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  • Reply 1 of 120
    If the 12" MacBook had Touch ID, the latest generation trackpad, a little more power and thinner bezels I'd Choose the MacBook b/c it's what a "portable" should be, i.e., super-light. ~3/4's of a pound lighter than the new MacBookAir! :)

    Even w/o the above features, I'm still happy with my 2017 MacBook.

    I think my next purchase will be the new 27" iMac (when it arrives), an iPhone 10s Max, the new Apple Watch (cellular) and a new ATV!

    There, best of all possible worlds. Huge screen on my MacOS iMac, iOS w/large screen on my iPhone Xs Max, WatchOS on my AW, and the largest screen, w/my TVOS ATV!

    Oh, and my AirPods, of course! :)


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  • Reply 2 of 120
    chasmchasm Posts: 997member
    Although the MacBook comes out the worst compared to the other models, it can still be a good choice ... the “don’t care about performance” line is poorly chosen, since every one of these models will do all the ordinary things most regular people do with their notebooks on a day-to-day basis — web browsing, watching videos, blogging, Office-type productivity, casual games, et cetera — very quickly. If weight is a priority and your apps are generally undemanding, you’ll be very happy you picked it.

    The new MBA is a significant step up all-around, of course, for around the same price, so it’s kind of the sweet spot for users who don’t need “pro-level” apps and can deal with nearly a pound more weight. Regarding the sound on both of these — unless you’re some sort of inconsiderate cretin, you’re using headphones (at least out in public), so the sound quality is a big non-issue for most people.

    If you’re using some demanding or graphics-intensive apps, either games or pro-level apps, then obviously you want the MBP, in whatever size, config, and accessories you require/can afford.
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  • Reply 3 of 120
    Thanks, that was a good review & comparison -- which is needed.  It's confusing.

    But it omitted my personal favorite:  the 2017 MacBook Air.
    At $999 it starts off $200 cheaper.  But too, it has (in the minds of many) a better keyboard.  And, arguably a better processor (at least graphics wise) than the rebranded m series processor in the 2018 model -- particularly if you spend the extra $150 for an i7.  

    But most importantly:  It's PCIe storage is expandable which makes it far more future proof.  Or, another way of looking at it:  if I bought a $1200 2018 model, I would also have to spend an additional $200-$400 for a 256Gb or (preferably) a 500Gb because you only get one shot with its soldered on storage.  That makes it 40%-60% more than the 2017 model!   But, with the 2017 model I feel comfortable starting with the base level 128Gb of storage and upgrading when and if I needed more -- at which time it would likely be cheaper as well.

    But, actually, that's my second favorite.
    My favorite will arrive on Friday.  It's a 2014 MBA with 8Gb Ram and 128Gb of PCIe storage -- for $220.
    Admittedly, its a toy sized 11" model.  But, it'll still do what I want it to do -- casual computing with decent access to the Numbers spreadsheets I maintain.
  • Reply 4 of 120
    chasm said:
    Although the MacBook comes out the worst compared to the other models, it can still be a good choice ... the “don’t care about performance” line is poorly chosen, since every one of these models will do all the ordinary things most regular people do with their notebooks on a day-to-day basis — web browsing, watching videos, blogging, Office-type productivity, casual games, et cetera — very quickly. If weight is a priority and your apps are generally undemanding, you’ll be very happy you picked it.

    The new MBA is a significant step up all-around, of course, for around the same price, so it’s kind of the sweet spot for users who don’t need “pro-level” apps and can deal with nearly a pound more weight. Regarding the sound on both of these — unless you’re some sort of inconsiderate cretin, you’re using headphones (at least out in public), so the sound quality is a big non-issue for most people.

    If you’re using some demanding or graphics-intensive apps, either games or pro-level apps, then obviously you want the MBP, in whatever size, config, and accessories you require/can afford.
    True.
    But, as pointed out in a previous ai review:  The fact that the base MBP at $1,300 is only $100 more than the $1,200 base MBA has got to enter into to it as well.   It might be the best $100 you could spend as pretty much everything but weight is either the same or better with the MBP.
    edited November 20
  • Reply 5 of 120
    dougddougd Posts: 208member
    I'm still on my 2013 Mac Pro.  Laptops just don't cut it for me
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 6 of 120
    jdwjdw Posts: 653member
    MacBook, MacBook Air and MacBook Pro: which is right for you?
    The answer is "NONE."

    Virtually no keyboard tactile feedback, no SD card slot (yes, Cupertino worshipers, some of us really use it and want it built-in), not even one USB-A port (which is still ubiquitous today and shall be 10 years hence), no MagSafe, no LED on charging cable, no extended power cord in the box, no glowing Apple logo on back (not necessary, but even Apple showed it off those machines their latest keynote video because they look lovely to behold), and ever thinning designs that leave little room for adequate cooling on higher performance MacBook "Pro" models -- all spell a BIG "NO!" when it comes to this veteran Mac lover choosing any of Apple's notebooks today.

    The mid-2015 15" MBP top end model with dGPU is the last great MacBook Pro that really is "Pro" in terms of practical usability that allows me to lead a largely dongle free life.  Performance even today isn't that bad either.  I DARE Apple to bring it back with a modern GPU and CPU and one USB-C/TB3 port added (and nothing else taken away), and see how well it sales FAR OUTSHINE any other MacBook Pro.  I DARE APPLE TO DO IT.  I dare Apple to finally THINK DIFFERENT on behalf The Rest of Us rather themselves.




    edited November 20 GeorgeBMacelijahgtokyojimufrankeed
  • Reply 7 of 120
    Thanks, that was a good review & comparison -- which is needed.  It's confusing.

    But it omitted my personal favorite:  the 2017 MacBook Air.
    At $999 it starts off $200 cheaper.  But too, it has (in the minds of many) a better keyboard.  And, arguably a better processor (at least graphics wise) than the rebranded m series processor in the 2018 model -- particularly if you spend the extra $150 for an i7.  

    But most importantly:  It's PCIe storage is expandable which makes it far more future proof.  Or, another way of looking at it:  if I bought a $1200 2018 model, I would also have to spend an additional $200-$400 for a 256Gb or (preferably) a 500Gb because you only get one shot with its soldered on storage.  That makes it 40%-60% more than the 2017 model!   But, with the 2017 model I feel comfortable starting with the base level 128Gb of storage and upgrading when and if I needed more -- at which time it would likely be cheaper as well.

    But, actually, that's my second favorite.
    My favorite will arrive on Friday.  It's a 2014 MBA with 8Gb Ram and 128Gb of PCIe storage -- for $220.
    Admittedly, its a toy sized 11" model.  But, it'll still do what I want it to do -- casual computing with decent access to the Numbers spreadsheets I maintain.
    "And, arguably a better processor (at least graphics wise) than the rebranded m series processor in the 2018 model -- particularly if you spend the extra $150 for an i7. "

    Not true.  If you look at the benchmarks comparing the processor in the Retina MBA vs the Core 1.8Ghz Core i5 in the previous MBA, it beats it.  It's about 25% faster in multi-core tests and the GPU is more capable.  When you compare it to the Core i7 in the previous MBA, they're neck and neck.  The processor in the Retina MBA is faster than what the specs sheet on paper would suggest

    http://www.fcp.co/final-cut-pro/articles/2125-can-you-edit-4k-video-on-a-new-macbook-air
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 8 of 120
    jdw said:
    MacBook, MacBook Air and MacBook Pro: which is right for you?
    The answer is "NONE."

    Virtually no keyboard tactile feedback, no SD card slot (yes, Cupertino worshipers, some of us really use it and want it built-in), not even one USB-A port (which is still ubiquitous today and shall be 10 years hence), no MagSafe, no LED on charging cable, no extended power cord in the box, no glowing Apple logo on back (not necessary, but even Apple showed it off those machines their latest keynote video because they look lovely to behold), and ever thinning designs that leave little room for adequate cooling on higher performance MacBook "Pro" models -- all spell a BIG "NO!" when it comes to this veteran Mac lover choosing any of Apple's notebooks today.

    The mid-2015 15" MBP top end model with dGPU is the last great MacBook Pro that really is "Pro" in terms of practical usability that allows me to lead a largely dongle free life.  Performance even today isn't that bad either.  I DARE Apple to bring it back with a modern GPU and CPU and one USB-C/TB3 port added (and nothing else taken away), and see how well it sales FAR OUTSHINE any other MacBook Pro.  I DARE APPLE TO DO IT.  I dare Apple to finally THINK DIFFERENT on behalf The Rest of Us rather themselves.




    My personal bet is:  Apple will upgrade the software in the iPad and release an external keyboard with a touchpad -- and that will take the MacBook and 50% of the MBA's right out of the picture.   And that will free up the MBP to become competitive as a pro machine with upgradable storage and RAM, water resistance, more usable ports and a better keyboard. 

    Right now the MBP is mostly just a supercharged version of the MBA.   But, with the iPad taking out the bottom of the product line, the MBP design team will get a kick in the pants and be forced to make it better than it is.  I think the analogy is:   The 1965 GTO -- the first muscle car -- where Pontiac took the big engine out of the Bonneville and dropped it into the Lemans.  That's essentially what the MBP is:  A Lemans with a big engine and some other frills.
    jdw
  • Reply 9 of 120
    jdw said:
    MacBook, MacBook Air and MacBook Pro: which is right for you?
    The answer is "NONE."

    Virtually no keyboard tactile feedback, no SD card slot (yes, Cupertino worshipers, some of us really use it and want it built-in), not even one USB-A port (which is still ubiquitous today and shall be 10 years hence), no MagSafe, no LED on charging cable, no extended power cord in the box, no glowing Apple logo on back (not necessary, but even Apple showed it off those machines their latest keynote video because they look lovely to behold), and ever thinning designs that leave little room for adequate cooling on higher performance MacBook "Pro" models -- all spell a BIG "NO!" when it comes to this veteran Mac lover choosing any of Apple's notebooks today.

    The mid-2015 15" MBP top end model with dGPU is the last great MacBook Pro that really is "Pro" in terms of practical usability that allows me to lead a largely dongle free life.  Performance even today isn't that bad either.  I DARE Apple to bring it back with a modern GPU and CPU and one USB-C/TB3 port added (and nothing else taken away), and see how well it sales FAR OUTSHINE any other MacBook Pro.  I DARE APPLE TO DO IT.  I dare Apple to finally THINK DIFFERENT on behalf The Rest of Us rather themselves.

    YAWN.
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  • Reply 10 of 120

    dougd said:
    I'm still on my 2013 Mac Pro.  Laptops just don't cut it for me
    Why are you even reading this article?
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  • Reply 11 of 120
    I think most people would be best served by the MacBook Air. They typically browse the Internet, make purchases, download music, videos and photos and read articles.  I have last year‘s MacBook Pro with Touch Bar, and it far exceeds what I need in a computer.   I saw the MacBook, and for me, the 12 inch screen was just too small. 13 inches makes all the difference. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 12 of 120
    bluefire1 said:
    I think most people would be best served by the MacBook Air. They typically browse the Internet, make purchases, download music, videos and photos and read articles.  I have last year‘s MacBook Pro with Touch Bar, and it far exceeds what I need in a computer.   I saw the MacBook, and for me, the 12 inch screen was just too small. 13 inches makes all the difference. 
    Agreed. My gf's 2011 MBP is starting to look like the gpu is failing, and prior to this release I'm not sure what I would've steered her towards. Maybe the 13" nTB MBP. But now it's clear — the Air is the "MacBook for most people" and I have no problem recommending it to friends who don't need the power and associated cost of a MBP, especially with the entry level 15" being as much as it is and storage ramping that up rapidly.
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  • Reply 13 of 120
    MplsPMplsP Posts: 783member
    jdw said:
    MacBook, MacBook Air and MacBook Pro: which is right for you?
    The answer is "NONE."

    Virtually no keyboard tactile feedback, no SD card slot (yes, Cupertino worshipers, some of us really use it and want it built-in), not even one USB-A port (which is still ubiquitous today and shall be 10 years hence), no MagSafe, no LED on charging cable, no extended power cord in the box, no glowing Apple logo on back (not necessary, but even Apple showed it off those machines their latest keynote video because they look lovely to behold), and ever thinning designs that leave little room for adequate cooling on higher performance MacBook "Pro" models -- all spell a BIG "NO!" when it comes to this veteran Mac lover choosing any of Apple's notebooks today.

    The mid-2015 15" MBP top end model with dGPU is the last great MacBook Pro that really is "Pro" in terms of practical usability that allows me to lead a largely dongle free life.  Performance even today isn't that bad either.  I DARE Apple to bring it back with a modern GPU and CPU and one USB-C/TB3 port added (and nothing else taken away), and see how well it sales FAR OUTSHINE any other MacBook Pro.  I DARE APPLE TO DO IT.  I dare Apple to finally THINK DIFFERENT on behalf The Rest of Us rather themselves.

    YAWN.
    JDW raises several valid points about design choices of the new MacBooks that were a step backwards in terms of usability. by your boredom I gather you don't care about usability?
    jdwelijahgGeorgeBMac
  • Reply 14 of 120
    MplsP said:
    jdw said:
    MacBook, MacBook Air and MacBook Pro: which is right for you?
    The answer is "NONE."

    Virtually no keyboard tactile feedback, no SD card slot (yes, Cupertino worshipers, some of us really use it and want it built-in), not even one USB-A port (which is still ubiquitous today and shall be 10 years hence), no MagSafe, no LED on charging cable, no extended power cord in the box, no glowing Apple logo on back (not necessary, but even Apple showed it off those machines their latest keynote video because they look lovely to behold), and ever thinning designs that leave little room for adequate cooling on higher performance MacBook "Pro" models -- all spell a BIG "NO!" when it comes to this veteran Mac lover choosing any of Apple's notebooks today.

    The mid-2015 15" MBP top end model with dGPU is the last great MacBook Pro that really is "Pro" in terms of practical usability that allows me to lead a largely dongle free life.  Performance even today isn't that bad either.  I DARE Apple to bring it back with a modern GPU and CPU and one USB-C/TB3 port added (and nothing else taken away), and see how well it sales FAR OUTSHINE any other MacBook Pro.  I DARE APPLE TO DO IT.  I dare Apple to finally THINK DIFFERENT on behalf The Rest of Us rather themselves.

    YAWN.
    JDW raises several valid points about design choices of the new MacBooks that were a step backwards in terms of usability. by your boredom I gather you don't care about usability?
    It's a dead horse that's been beaten for going on its third year now. When does it stop? Most "pros" have moved on and are adapting just fine.
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  • Reply 15 of 120
    jdwjdw Posts: 653member
    It's a dead horse that's been beaten for going on its third year now. When does it stop? Most "pros" have moved on and are adapting just fine.
    Whoever clicked "Informative" on your Yawn post must be ready for bed themselves, if they aren't already fast asleep.

    The only place where many of those "Pros have moved onto" is Windows.  I for one will NOT be doing that.  Seriously, Apple is taking a shotgun to the Mac faithful by incorporating extremist levels of minimalism into their designs.  I've loved Macs since 1984, not because they were the most feature rich machines relative to Windoze, but because they were PRACTICAL TO ME.  The late 2016 and newer MBP's are no longer machines that I deem practical, and it doesn't matter one teensy tiny bit to me if a few other people do enjoy the excessive minimalism.  Again, I dare Apple to give us a full featured notebook selling along side their existing line.  Let's see who's right.  My guess is that I am right.  For who in their right mind would buy a stripped down machine for $4500 when you can get more features for that amount of money, and your life is better as a result?  Apple removed key features for no sensible reason at all.  It's a crying shame.  I continue to send Apple feedback about it, and encourage like-minded Mac users to do the same.  If we pound hard enough and long enough, the company just might wise up, especially if the media joins us.

    Don't some of you get tired of your fellow Mac users blindly worshipping every decision out of Cupertino as if somehow Steve Jobs is still alive and blessed it?  Steve is no longer around and it shows.  Steve was pro-minimalism too, but at least he knew where to draw the line.  Johnny Ive's line is "so little design there's no design at all."  It's like a blank piece of paper, yet without the paper.  Sorry, but that's not practical for me, and there's a lot more people out there like me too.  Not every Mac user loves what Apple has been doing to the Mac since Steve's departure from this planet.  And we let our voices be heard, both in online forums and at Apple's feedback channel. 

    And before a Cupertino Worshipper comes along and bashes me for having the guts to say all this, time and time again, consider well that Apple has 3 different notebook lines! Folks, did you hear that?  THREE DIFFERENT LINES!  These "I don't need ports, and I don't care about dongles or tactile feedback" people who perpetually defend Apple need only buy a MacBook or MacBook AIR to satisfy their lusting after zero practicality.  Why must Apple also gut the MacBook Pro?  It makes NO SENSE at all.  Apple should keep the Pro model feature rich, bridging the needs of today (which includes USB-A and an SD card slot) with the needs of tomorrow, which includes USB-C/TB3.  They have the MacBook and AIR to strip down to their heart's content.  Why must they also gut the Pro?  Again, it's the dumbest business decision I've ever come across.  And don't give me the "well, they needed to be consistent across the line and really push USB-C too, which they couldn't if they included USB-A."  All speculation and wild guesses, and I don't even care if these guesses are correct.

    It's time for Apple to consider THE REST OF US.  They aren't now.
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  • Reply 16 of 120
    MplsP said:
    jdw said:
    MacBook, MacBook Air and MacBook Pro: which is right for you?
    The answer is "NONE."

    Virtually no keyboard tactile feedback, no SD card slot (yes, Cupertino worshipers, some of us really use it and want it built-in), not even one USB-A port (which is still ubiquitous today and shall be 10 years hence), no MagSafe, no LED on charging cable, no extended power cord in the box, no glowing Apple logo on back (not necessary, but even Apple showed it off those machines their latest keynote video because they look lovely to behold), and ever thinning designs that leave little room for adequate cooling on higher performance MacBook "Pro" models -- all spell a BIG "NO!" when it comes to this veteran Mac lover choosing any of Apple's notebooks today.

    The mid-2015 15" MBP top end model with dGPU is the last great MacBook Pro that really is "Pro" in terms of practical usability that allows me to lead a largely dongle free life.  Performance even today isn't that bad either.  I DARE Apple to bring it back with a modern GPU and CPU and one USB-C/TB3 port added (and nothing else taken away), and see how well it sales FAR OUTSHINE any other MacBook Pro.  I DARE APPLE TO DO IT.  I dare Apple to finally THINK DIFFERENT on behalf The Rest of Us rather themselves.

    YAWN.
    JDW raises several valid points about design choices of the new MacBooks that were a step backwards in terms of usability. by your boredom I gather you don't care about usability?
    It's a dead horse that's been beaten for going on its third year now. When does it stop? Most "pros" have moved on and are adapting just fine.
    Yeah, moved on and adapting just fine to Windows. The worst result Apple could wish for.
    Edit: JDW beat me to it!
    edited November 20 jdwGeorgeBMacwilliamlondon
  • Reply 17 of 120
    MplsP said:
    jdw said:
    MacBook, MacBook Air and MacBook Pro: which is right for you?
    The answer is "NONE."

    Virtually no keyboard tactile feedback, no SD card slot (yes, Cupertino worshipers, some of us really use it and want it built-in), not even one USB-A port (which is still ubiquitous today and shall be 10 years hence), no MagSafe, no LED on charging cable, no extended power cord in the box, no glowing Apple logo on back (not necessary, but even Apple showed it off those machines their latest keynote video because they look lovely to behold), and ever thinning designs that leave little room for adequate cooling on higher performance MacBook "Pro" models -- all spell a BIG "NO!" when it comes to this veteran Mac lover choosing any of Apple's notebooks today.

    The mid-2015 15" MBP top end model with dGPU is the last great MacBook Pro that really is "Pro" in terms of practical usability that allows me to lead a largely dongle free life.  Performance even today isn't that bad either.  I DARE Apple to bring it back with a modern GPU and CPU and one USB-C/TB3 port added (and nothing else taken away), and see how well it sales FAR OUTSHINE any other MacBook Pro.  I DARE APPLE TO DO IT.  I dare Apple to finally THINK DIFFERENT on behalf The Rest of Us rather themselves.

    YAWN.
    JDW raises several valid points about design choices of the new MacBooks that were a step backwards in terms of usability. by your boredom I gather you don't care about usability?


    Maybe fastasleep is aware of JDW's posting history.

    fastasleepStrangeDayswatto_cobraelijahg
  • Reply 18 of 120
    It's the maxed out 15" MBP w/ Touchbar for me. Not that I need it - it's just that I have this compulsion to super-size all my Apple hardware.
    macplusplusGeorgeBMacwatto_cobraelijahg
  • Reply 19 of 120
    jdw said:
    MacBook, MacBook Air and MacBook Pro: which is right for you?
    The answer is "NONE."

    Virtually no keyboard tactile feedback, no SD card slot (yes, Cupertino worshipers, some of us really use it and want it built-in), not even one USB-A port (which is still ubiquitous today and shall be 10 years hence), no MagSafe, no LED on charging cable, no extended power cord in the box, no glowing Apple logo on back (not necessary, but even Apple showed it off those machines their latest keynote video because they look lovely to behold), and ever thinning designs that leave little room for adequate cooling on higher performance MacBook "Pro" models -- all spell a BIG "NO!" when it comes to this veteran Mac lover choosing any of Apple's notebooks today.

    The mid-2015 15" MBP top end model with dGPU is the last great MacBook Pro that really is "Pro" in terms of practical usability that allows me to lead a largely dongle free life.  Performance even today isn't that bad either.  I DARE Apple to bring it back with a modern GPU and CPU and one USB-C/TB3 port added (and nothing else taken away), and see how well it sales FAR OUTSHINE any other MacBook Pro.  I DARE APPLE TO DO IT.  I dare Apple to finally THINK DIFFERENT on behalf The Rest of Us rather themselves.

    YAWN.
    "Why are you doing this" "Every 'pro users' hate it" "I'm so smart"
    GeorgeBMacwilliamlondonwatto_cobra
  • Reply 20 of 120
    jdw said:
    It's a dead horse that's been beaten for going on its third year now. When does it stop? Most "pros" have moved on and are adapting just fine.
    Whoever clicked "Informative" on your Yawn post must be ready for bed themselves, if they aren't already fast asleep.

    The only place where many of those "Pros have moved onto" is Windows.  I for one will NOT be doing that.  Seriously, Apple is taking a shotgun to the Mac faithful by incorporating extremist levels of minimalism into their designs.  I've loved Macs since 1984, not because they were the most feature rich machines relative to Windoze, but because they were PRACTICAL TO ME.  The late 2016 and newer MBP's are no longer machines that I deem practical, and it doesn't matter one teensy tiny bit to me if a few other people do enjoy the excessive minimalism.  Again, I dare Apple to give us a full featured notebook selling along side their existing line.  Let's see who's right.  My guess is that I am right.  For who in their right mind would buy a stripped down machine for $4500 when you can get more features for that amount of money, and your life is better as a result?  Apple removed key features for no sensible reason at all.  It's a crying shame.  I continue to send Apple feedback about it, and encourage like-minded Mac users to do the same.  If we pound hard enough and long enough, the company just might wise up, especially if the media joins us.

    Don't some of you get tired of your fellow Mac users blindly worshipping every decision out of Cupertino as if somehow Steve Jobs is still alive and blessed it?  Steve is no longer around and it shows.  Steve was pro-minimalism too, but at least he knew where to draw the line.  Johnny Ive's line is "so little design there's no design at all."  It's like a blank piece of paper, yet without the paper.  Sorry, but that's not practical for me, and there's a lot more people out there like me too.  Not every Mac user loves what Apple has been doing to the Mac since Steve's departure from this planet.  And we let our voices be heard, both in online forums and at Apple's feedback channel. 

    And before a Cupertino Worshipper comes along and bashes me for having the guts to say all this, time and time again, consider well that Apple has 3 different notebook lines! Folks, did you hear that?  THREE DIFFERENT LINES!  These "I don't need ports, and I don't care about dongles or tactile feedback" people who perpetually defend Apple need only buy a MacBook or MacBook AIR to satisfy their lusting after zero practicality.  Why must Apple also gut the MacBook Pro?  It makes NO SENSE at all.  Apple should keep the Pro model feature rich, bridging the needs of today (which includes USB-A and an SD card slot) with the needs of tomorrow, which includes USB-C/TB3.  They have the MacBook and AIR to strip down to their heart's content.  Why must they also gut the Pro?  Again, it's the dumbest business decision I've ever come across.  And don't give me the "well, they needed to be consistent across the line and really push USB-C too, which they couldn't if they included USB-A."  All speculation and wild guesses, and I don't even care if these guesses are correct.

    It's time for Apple to consider THE REST OF US.  They aren't now.
    I think you should be better off switching.  Ever since Apple moved to Intel, there's always a PC laptop offers more key travel, 2x more USBs with thicker, heavier and better graphics and cooling solutions, except no one is complaining back then.

    All in all, Mac communities today rather panic than seeing the truth.
    edited November 21 StrangeDayswatto_cobraelijahg
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