Huawei CEO is 'open' to selling 5G chip to 'great company' Apple

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    tmaytmay Posts: 3,731member
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    As long as the Feds have a espionage warning on Huawei, Apple ain't  gonna put Huawei chips in their products. Any attempt will just make the spooks more suspicious.
    The "Feds" don't.   Trump does.  But his propaganda machine could scare people off.
    The "Feds" and the Congress sure do. Going back to at least 2011-12. 

    I am not going to bother with giving you any links, since I have little doubt that you know how to do an internet search.
    And all these years later they still have nothing. Off the record they are even admitting as much. 

    It has been said time and time again, anyone involved in spying doesn't care which hardware is being run.

    If anything, Huawei's products are likely to be more secure as, not only are they scrutinised more but when issues are found, solutions are demanded of them.

    Apple would have more to gain than lose, not least in time to market.
    Groan, you Huawei apologists are back out in force again.

    1) Please send a link on who's admitting what "off the record." Otherwise, delete the post.

    2) "They have nothing"? We'll see when Meng Wanzhou shows up in a US court. (Canada's formally started the extradition proceedings, as you likely know). Until then, I'd advise you to hold spouting off.

    While I won’t go so far as to claim that Huawei is all sunshine and roses, no one who has accused them of being a willing vassal of the Chinese spy agencies has produced a smoking gun - actual hardware designed to surreptitiously spy on a user.  And people have been looking.

    What smoking gun evidence did the CIA and others provide for Russian meddling in our election? I never saw it. Yet we trust their reports. You trusted them then, but not now. That’s irrational. 
    False Equivalency there....
    In the case of the Russian attack our entire intelligence community confirmed beyond any doubt that Russia not only had attacked our country with disinformation and cyberwarfare campaigns but it was an ongoing attack that continued (at least) through our 2018 midterms.

    In the case of Huawei, a few said that they should not be trusted because of possible past or future ties to the Chinese intelligence and Communist Party.  But, no evidence was ever provided that Huawei had actually done something wrong or would in the future.   It was all supposiition.

    The analogy might be Albert Einstein where the FBI accumulated a 1,400 page dossier on him mostly as a result of investigations stemming from repeated accusations that he was a Communist spy.  But, in every instance no evidence was ever found to prove the claims...
    Huawei was implicated in IP theft in the U.S., caught in a IP theft sting operation by the FBI, so yes, evidence has been provided of Huawei doing "something wrong".
    Really. Have you heard the other side of the story? I haven't.

    This is from the Bloomberg article describing the so-called 'sting':

    "Khan and Shurboff don’t know how the story will end. It’s possible that the government will conclude there aren’t grounds for an indictment against Huawei. Prosecutors also could decide that what happened to Akhan isn’t serious enough to seek charges. If that’s so, it raises a question about the broader U.S. crackdown on Huawei: Is it based on hard evidence of wrongdoing or driven by a desperation to catch the Chinese company doing something—anything—bad?

    On the other hand, if the government does conclude that Akhan was attacked, that a Chinese multinational really did target a tiny Chicago company with no revenue and no customers (as of yet), it would show just how far and wide Huawei is willing to go to steal American trade secrets. “I think they’re identifying technologies that are key to their road map and going after them no matter what the size or scale or status of the business,” Khan says. “I wouldn’t say they’re discriminating.”

    There's a lot of speculation in the whole thing. Perhaps logical as this type of article needs some sauce to keep readers interested and they only have one version of what went on.

    However, at the end (quoted above) reality sets in and it is revealed that the 'sting' might be so weak as to lead to - nothing. Something that would be very surprising given the lengths the FBI is going to unearth something - anything!

    Either way, it would be wise to wait for the other side of the story, and possible court case before claiming evidence of wrongdoing exists.

    From reading your post you make it sound like things are crystal clear. They aren't. Not by a long shot.

    It's a mystery how you can claim there is 'evidence' of doing something wrong when, AFAIK, a case hasn't even been brought and you haven't heard the whole story.


    There is absolutely evidence of a crime. Whether it is pursued by authorities is another matter.

    Your spin doesn't let Huawei off the hook.
    What was the crime? They even denied ITAR was relevant. 
    https://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/3070479/huawei-in-fbi-sting-at-ces-after-allegedly-reverse-engineering-another-product

    "So, one cold January day, Akhan and the FBI went to Vegas, armed with hidden cameras and microphones, and set to work as a reporter from Bloomberg watched as an impartial observer from a safe distance (and FBI - if you're listening, keep us in mind for future stings, we'd love that).

    The loan of the sample was made under strict rules - that it not be tampered with, that it be returned promptly and that it didn't leave the US. During the sting, recorded on tape, a Huawei executive admitted that the company had broken the agreement by exporting the sample, and whilst there's no admission of the reverse engineering aspect, it will be interesting to see if Huawei unveils a new sort of glass for the P30 and foldable expected to launch in the coming weeks.

    The sting was not apparently connected to the 23 federal charges against Huawei that were filed recently, but rather serve to illustrate the point that, whatever else Huawei has or hasn't done, its business ethics in this matter don't paint it in a very good light. In fact it's a bit like using black paint to touch up Darth Vader's mask, in a blackout, in a black hole. That's pretty bad light right there."

    Huawei isn't the "good guys" that you keep stating; they are thieves. That they aren't, yet anyway, indicted for this doesn't change that fact. The event happened.

    And the crime?
    You make me laugh.

    Fuckers got caught; sent the sample to China to get analyzed by Material Scientists with the proper equipment; hence why it came back damaged. I don't recall if all of the shards were accounted for, but I doubt it.

    Thieves.

    Here's the source article;

    https://www.msn.com/en-sg/news/world/fbi-ran-sting-against-huawei-in-new-technology-theft-case/ar-BBTbwlD?li=BBr8Cnr

    and another;

    https://www.extremetech.com/mobile/285152-fbi-allegedly-ran-sting-operation-on-huawei-at-ces

    "Several weeks passed, and the FBI rendered a verdict. Khan and Shurboff say the FBI researcher found that the sample had been hit with a 100-kilowatt laser, which is powerful enough to be used as a weapon. The agency asked Khan and Shurboff to continue their contact with Huawei and meet with the company’s representatives at CES in January to record their conversation. A Bloomberg reporter observed this meeting from a distance. 

    During that meeting, the Huawei representatives denied that sending the sample to China was a violation of ITAR but continued to express interest in licensing Akhan’s diamond glass. The FBI ultimately raided Huawei’s San Diego facility on January 28th, but we don’t yet know if there is good evidence of wrongdoing. 

    Khan and Shurboff initially wanted to keep the situation under wraps until the investigation ran its course, but a chance meeting with another potential glass customer at CES made that impossible. Shurboff had to give this contact an awkward brush-off because of the sting operation, and the company worried that would affect its ability to license the tech. So, we’re getting one side of the story right now. We’ll have to wait for the rest."

    You hanging with thieves now?

    Laugh all you want but where is the crime?

    As I said, the ITAR reference was covered, AFAIK, no charge has been brought and you know nothing about what the other side thinks. You haven't heard it.

    At most you - think - a crime was committed but that is very different to what you actually said and subsequently tried to support.
    That made me laugh even more!

    Do you even have any morals left to give up to Huawei?

    Your like in TunneVision World!
    You mean listening to both sides of a story before making absolute claims?

    Unfortunately, you haven't answered the question, so people will now make up their own minds on who is presenting things in a balanced manner.


    Huawei absolutely violated the agreement for the sample.

    There isn't any other side to the story except how they physically violated it and why.

    I have a very low opinion of you to begin with, but sticking by thieves is pretty low.
    Reality is setting in. Instead of a crime, it's now 'violating an agreement'.

    Did we ever actually get to see that agreement? If not, you still have no version from Huawei to contrast the claims with and of course a non-existent 'crime'.

    I don't 'stick' by anybody but when I only have one side of a story I try not to get carried away.


    Oh, so you won't actually read the links, and I'll have to post it;


    "Akhan Semiconductor, an Illinois-based tech start-up, discovered that when its product – the diamond glass – was sent back from a San Diego laboratory owned by Huawei, it was severely damaged. The technology – Minaj Diamond Glass – covers the glass with a micro-layer of synthetic diamond and is believed to be six times harder than current smartphone screens.

    Huawei’s Meng ‘may fight extradition by claiming US political motive’

    Suspecting Huawei, which ordered the sample in 2017, of intellectual property theft, company founder Adam Khan reported it to the FBI. Investigators enlisted Khan and the company’s chief operating officer, Carl Shurboff, in a sting at the CES technology trade show in Las Vegas in January.

    The investigation has not yet resulted in an indictment.

    In a statement on Monday, Akhan said the company “believes that Huawei destroyed our product, shipped it to China without authorisation, subjected it to tests that it was not authorised to conduct, and returned most of it to us in pieces.”

    “Akhan will continue to cooperate with law enforcement and work towards an expedient resolution to this matter,” the statement said. The company “is considering any and all legal remedies available.”

    Huawei and the FBI did not respond to email requests seeking comment."

    The FBI also stated that the sample was hit with 100 KW laser. You might want to look up what a 100 KW laser is used for...

    Of course, you will rationalize this as yet another "misunderstanding".


    Statement from Akhan Semiconductor;

    https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20190204005211/en/AKHAN-Statement-IP-Theft

    CHICAGO--(BUSINESS WIRE)--AKHAN Semiconductor recently cooperated with a U.S. federal investigation into what appears to be a theft of its intellectual property by Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd. When AKHAN agreed to send its proprietary Miraj Diamond® technology to Huawei pursuant to an agreement, AKHAN expected that Huawei would abide by the agreement and its material would be returned unharmed. Unfortunately, AKHAN believes that Huawei destroyed our product, shipped it to China without authorization, subjected it to tests that it was not authorized to conduct, and returned most of it to us in pieces. We still have not recovered all of our product from Huawei, despite repeated written and oral requests and inquiries to Huawei.

    AKHAN takes seriously any unlawful use of its technology. The theft of any AKHAN assets, attempted or successful, will be not be tolerated. AKHAN will continue to cooperate with law enforcement and work towards an expedient resolution to this matter. Given the threat that Huawei’s apparent theft poses to AKHAN shareholders, employees, and customers-- and the potential loss to U.S. jobs, revenue, and other projected economic impact-- AKHAN is considering any and all legal remedies available, and will work with the involved parties to make public the relevant information to all stakeholders to the extent it can do so. AKHAN is committed to acting with integrity and conducting its business in a safe, ethical and legal manner.



    This is theft, pure and simple. 


    Huawei is going to use the parts of the product that they kept, to reverse engineer the same material.

    edited April 16
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