'SiriOS' predicted for 2020 WWDC - here's what it might be

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in iOS edited July 19
Apple should produce a "SiriOS," a report into voice recognition and digital assistants by Mangrove Capital Partners suggests, but while the firm is certain the "voice community" expects it to be revealed by 2020, there is little detail on what it could be.




The "Voice Tech 2019" report from investment firm Mangrove anticipates a greater shift into voice-based computing over the next decade, with the use of systems that rely on AI and machine learning, as well as voice recognition likely to spawn a "new generation of technology companies in every category."

Equipped with a higher-than 95% word accuracy rate that puts them on a par with humans for understanding language, it is claimed voice is a "far more natural, convenient, and efficient form of communication" via a device than typing, and will become the primary human-machine interface in the future. The rise of Internet of Things devices and smart appliances with voice recognition systems is also highlighted, along with the wide variety of languages supported by Google and the flexibility of Alexa skills.

The improvements in AI are touted to further build up the abilities of voice assistants, with first-wave algorithms and second-wave decision-making improvements to be succeeded by a third-wave AI that collects data from sensors and can automate more complex processes. As these improvements impact how users work with devices, this will apparently prompt companies to "rethink how it interacts with its audience," using "context-aware voice-first interfaces" that don't rely on predictable scripted responses.

How Siri appears within macOS
How Siri appears within macOS


Mangrove believes investment in voice startups has reached $768 million in 2019 so far, above the $581 million observed in 2018 and $298 million in 2017. Over a billion dollars is said to be invested in voice startups in the United States, with another $118 million in Europe.

Privacy and Ecosystem

Towards the end of the report, it moves on to the concept of privacy, which a Microsoft survey suggests 41% of users are concerned about, especially relating to passive listening. After noting the discovery of microphones in Google Nest devices and an Amazon patent to "listen to all conversations in a room," Mangrove suggests tech companies will be following Apple in responding to user concerns, something it has "been doing particularly effectively."

The example given is Apple's acquisition of Silk Labs, which deals with on-device AI software that performs processing on the iPhone or iPad itself, without relying on communicating with cloud servers. The acquisition is heralded as a "shrewd move."

In contrast, Apple is said to have been "less effective at building an ecosystem around voice." The vision of the "Knowledge Navigator" suggests Apple's voice strategy was "more clearly articulated in 1987 than it is now."

Getting SiriOS

The report then declares "The voice community expects Apple to release a SiriOS for its developer community at WWDC 2020 which would accelerate innovation and adoption." Aside from quoting Brett Kinsella of Voicebot.ai as calling SiriOS "desirable for enabling innovation and is viewed by many as required to match the progress made by Amazon and Google with their voice assistants," there is no discussion as to what form this SiriOS would take.

Siri Shortcuts, an automation tool that some apps tap to use Siri commands
Siri Shortcuts, an automation tool that some apps tap to use Siri commands


Tracking down the quote's source reveals it would be a Siri operating system that would be the equivalent of Alexa with Alexa Skills Kit or the Google Assistant using the Actions on Google development environment. Rather than being a part of existing operating systems, governed and limited by guidelines and rules developers would have to follow in SiriKit, with differences for iOS and macOS, SiriOS would effectively be an independent software system from the device's operating system.

By having SiriOS separate, it could allow for Siri functions and features across Apple's operating systems to have parity across the board, and for changes to be implemented on all devices simultaneously. For developers, SiriOS would also ideally be unfettered by many of the existing restrictions of SiriKit, and wouldn't necessarily require intimate knowledge of how each device operating system's particular Siri implementation would work.

By separating Siri from the operating system, this could feasibly open up other ways for the digital assistant to be used. For example, developers could potentially integrate Siri into their apps directly, giving a highly customized experience depending on the app's abilities.

It is assumed that this is in the ballpark of what the Mangrove report suggests when it mentions SiriOS, due to the lack of detail offered. The bottom line is Mangrove believes it is Apple's best interests to open up Siri to developers further than it currently does.

For the time being, developers have to use SiriKit and to take advantage of Siri Shortcuts. Ultimately, the ball is in Apple's court as to whether something approximating a SiriOS could be produced, and it would have to rely on whether Apple would want to cede control of its iconic and prized virtual assistant away to third parties.
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  • Reply 1 of 57
    davgregdavgreg Posts: 422member
    With universal Siri, all spoken requests would be in error.
    williamlondon
  • Reply 2 of 57
    crowleycrowley Posts: 5,989member
    Not really clear on what advantage such an OS would have over existing SiriKit, or how it would be deployed.

    Incidentally, what does HomePod run, is it a version of iOS?  Does it have its own distinction, podOS, or something similar?
    cornchippbruttobloggerblog
  • Reply 3 of 57
     With Apple doing the whole HW/SW stack, they could add a dedicated core(s) or chip just for Siri processing to all their devices (iphone, Mac, Mac Book...). Similar to the "M" & "T" coprocessors they already add.
    tmayrepressthiscaladanianpbruttocornchiplolliverwatto_cobra
  • Reply 4 of 57
    Eric_WVGGEric_WVGG Posts: 642member
    At first I thought this sounded like fucking nonsense. But then I gave it a moment's thought, "what kind of device might run on a 'SiriOS,'" and immediately realized: HomePod. So I guess my question now is, how is the HomePod OS not effectively SiriOS?
    edited July 19 cornchipdavenrepressthiswatto_cobra
  • Reply 5 of 57
    AppleExposedAppleExposed Posts: 1,381unconfirmed, member
    Eric_WVGG said:
    At first I thought this sounded like fucking nonsense. But then I gave it a moment's thought, "what kind of device might run on a 'SiriOS,'" and immediately realized: HomePod. So I guess my question now is, how is the HomePod OS not effectively SiriOS?

    I've wanted a HomePodOS and AirPodOS but then Apple would have too many OSes.

    A SiriOS could solve this problem.

    Heck let Beats have it too.
    repressthiswatto_cobra
  • Reply 6 of 57
    mobirdmobird Posts: 220member
    I read that there is "audioOS", sorry I do not recall the source. But updates for the HomePod mirror the IOS numbering convention.
    edited July 19 watto_cobra
  • Reply 7 of 57
    knowitallknowitall Posts: 1,419member
    Utter nonsense. Siri is at best ‘highly incapable’ at the moment.
    Its a really awkward read: investors becoming visionary all of a sudden.
    When pigs can fly.
    williamlondondavgregcornchip
  • Reply 8 of 57
    ravnorodomravnorodom Posts: 229member
    A MindOS would be nice. So that it can implanted inside brain to enable the disable.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 9 of 57
    SoliSoli Posts: 9,187member
    crowley said:
    Not really clear on what advantage such an OS would have over existing SiriKit, or how it would be deployed.

    Incidentally, what does HomePod run, is it a version of iOS?  Does it have its own distinction, podOS, or something similar?
    No idea if the tags for "audioOS" have been found in the code or stated by Apple internally, but that is what it's called. Yes, it's forked from iOS. 

    StrangeDayspscooter63watto_cobra
  • Reply 10 of 57
    About that name.  Perhaps they should include the number 10 to hearken to OS X and the letter 'm' to reference 'mobile.'  SiriOS Xm rolls off the tongue much better for some reason.  
    AppleExposedwatto_cobra
  • Reply 11 of 57
    Eric_WVGGEric_WVGG Posts: 642member
    Eric_WVGG said:
    At first I thought this sounded like fucking nonsense. But then I gave it a moment's thought, "what kind of device might run on a 'SiriOS,'" and immediately realized: HomePod. So I guess my question now is, how is the HomePod OS not effectively SiriOS?

    I've wanted a HomePodOS and AirPodOS but then Apple would have too many OSes.

    A SiriOS could solve this problem.

    Heck let Beats have it too.
    Well there is a HomePodOS, as someone else here mentioned it's AudioOS. I wouldn't be surprised at all if AirPods run it, each one has an iPhone 1 class CPU.

    But yeah, that's your SiriOS right there.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 12 of 57
    RajkaRajka Posts: 17member
    After years of using Siri for dictation, she has yet to learn my accent. All Siri ever gets right without fail is when I direct expletives at her. Siri is a loser. I'll pass on anything controlled by Siri, especially for potentially life-threatening applications.
    williamlondondavgreg
  • Reply 13 of 57
    AppleExposedAppleExposed Posts: 1,381unconfirmed, member
    Eric_WVGG said:
    Eric_WVGG said:
    At first I thought this sounded like fucking nonsense. But then I gave it a moment's thought, "what kind of device might run on a 'SiriOS,'" and immediately realized: HomePod. So I guess my question now is, how is the HomePod OS not effectively SiriOS?

    I've wanted a HomePodOS and AirPodOS but then Apple would have too many OSes.

    A SiriOS could solve this problem.

    Heck let Beats have it too.
    Well there is a HomePodOS, as someone else here mentioned it's AudioOS. I wouldn't be surprised at all if AirPods run it, each one has an iPhone 1 class CPU.

    But yeah, that's your SiriOS right there.

    This is news to me and the fact Apple doesn't advertise it seems like something bigger may be in the works before an official reveal.
    pscooter63watto_cobra
  • Reply 14 of 57
    mpantonempantone Posts: 1,420member
    This is retarded. There isn’t going to be a SiriOS.

    Mangrove doesn’t understand the fundamental purpose of an operating system.

    An operating system is a big complicated program that lets other big complicated programs co-exist on the same system (platform). No one runs an operating system for the OS. You run it because it allows the programs you want to use live peacefully together.

    macOS. An operating system for programs to co-exist on a Mac. iOS: for iPhone, iPod touch. tvOS. watchOS, iPadOS. See a pattern?

    There is no Siri platform. Siri is not a platform or system. It is an interface, just like touch screens, keyboards, mice, trackpads, etc.

    Unsurprisingly, Apple knows what an operating system is.
    edited July 19 StrangeDaysrepressthispbruttopscooter63lolliverentropyswatto_cobra
  • Reply 15 of 57
    seanismorrisseanismorris Posts: 1,028member
    I’m not feeling it, no on SiriOS.  I don’t know how you open it up to developers and maintain privacy.

    A better, more accurate Siri is what users want...  

    Maybe they’re thinking about AirPlay, iTunes, etc. on Samsung/LG etc. TVs.  I assume that will have Siri, but that’s on an OS.
  • Reply 16 of 57
    M68000M68000 Posts: 86member
    "SIR 9000" anyone...?    a play on the name from a computer in a famous movie some of you might know.   Could this SiriOS idea have anything to do with interconnecting all of your devices and HomeKit stuff along with whatever you have in the cloud?   For example, imagine knowing the name of file you are looking for and asking Siri to find it for you whether it be on the cloud or some remote device and then it can open on the device you are using.  Or Siri could bring you the list of files from some other device too. You can "talk" with Siri from any device and it responds with access to all of your stuff instead of just the local device.  I remember a really interesting slogan, I think Sun Microsystems used to have - "the network IS the operating system". It will be interesting to see how voice recognition advances AND if people really care to use it.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 17 of 57
    tylerdtylerd Posts: 32member
    Brian Roemmele has been preaching this for some time. Check out his Quora article for more insights:


    edited July 19 mobirdwatto_cobra
  • Reply 18 of 57
    Yes, a “venture capital and private equity firm” should be the source of direction for a major software architecture. As can be read in the confusion and misunderstandings in the comments here, it’s a ill conceived concept, created by someone lacking in anything other than rudimentary, surface level, buzzword infused thinking. 
    macpluspluspbruttoirelandcornchiplolliverentropyswatto_cobra
  • Reply 19 of 57
    irelandireland Posts: 17,649member
    Apple should do X, because it legitimises our crazy investments in voice. Oh and btw, look what’s for sale.
    StrangeDayswilliamlondonelijahglolliverentropyswatto_cobra
  • Reply 20 of 57
    tylerd said:
    Brian Roemmele has been preaching this for some time. Check out his Quora article for more insights:


    He’s advocating a Voice First system. That’s an extremely narrow minded proposition that assumes speaking and more importantly hearing are equivalent to a young persons capabilities, ignoring those with hearing problems which we all are succumbing to. And voice input doesn’t work well in a group environment, excepting those on the bridge of the Enterprise. 
    cornchipwatto_cobra
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