I vote these photos are real. Call me gullible, and I'll admit i'm wrong when i need to, but I think that the new Power macs will look like these photos, plus or minus a few design tweaks.
Oh and Steve, since you or one of your lackies seems to check in from time to time, why don't you pull the articulating arm out of your ass and give us some competitive hardware at competitive prices.
For what it's worth, MOSR apparently got a cease and desist---and posted more info:
[quote]
Well, the cat is clearly out of the bag when it comes to the new PowerMac. Although some details, such as the exact main bus speed (expect DDR266, or at the outside, DDR333 -- DDR400 may be possible with Apple's new controller but cost and supply are not favorable), remain at issue, we certainly know what the new enclosure looks like, thanks to the photos recently leaked on the Web. Those photos made a brief appearance on this site, and were predictably removed upon the request of Apple Legal.
The new enclosure is not dramatically different from the existing one, with the general minitower shape and four-corner handles remaining. The quicksilver color remains, but several panels are now bare metal instead of silver-painted plastic. The two major changes appear to be room for two external drive bays, now mounted closer to the center of the machine's front panel, as well as a large increase in cooling vents. Minor changes include a new metal door latch, internal re-arrangements, and a new rear port layout as well as a front-mounted headphone jack.
The bulk of these are interesting, but the key item is definitely what's going on with the incredible new cooling vents on the front and back of the enclosure -- along with a new variable-speed high-power fan. Clearly, Apple expects this new machine to generate a lot of heat; that suggests faster processors than we might have expected when Apple's deadline appeared to be Macworld. Perhaps 1.4GHz isn't out of the question after all, even on the high-end dual processor models.
As far as graphics go on the new PMG4s: expect nVIDIA's GeForce 4MX to become standard on the low-end model, and the GeForce 4 Titanium to take over at least one of the high-end configurations. Also, ATi's new 9000-series RADEON cards, with a 25-40% performance advantage over the GF4 Ti in the high-end RADEON 9700 version, will be available as build-to-order options.
Right on the button regarding the "port" theorists Nitride.
Guys. I had another detail to show it but thought it way too obvious. As Nitride pointed out there are NO connectors etc for Firewire ports or any other type of front port
[quote] If any of you "experts" actually looked at the photos you would see there is nothing behind the area where the vents are i.e. no boards, no cables no nothing. There is no connector on the mobo for a front panel board or individual cable connections is there?
<hr></blockquote>
To kill this theory once and for all check out this detail from the internal shot of the case.
It shows the area directly behind the vent holes with NO connectors etc. You can see however that the metal casing is slightly bulged here just where the front vents would be. Perhaps just to allow for the crome plastic inserts ( decorative or maybe also some sort of filter) but nothing else.
The case is SERIOUSLY about efficient cooling of the internal components. Period.
<strong>look closely young ones, is that logo the logo of the evil empire, the master of cruelness, the devil of devilish devils. NO NO IT CANT I CANT SEE AAAAAAARRGH MY EYES IT JUST CANT BE
m i c r o s o f t
AWASH ME IN HOLY WATER IT JUST CANT BE
j/k </strong><hr></blockquote>
They killed Kenny. Those bastards. :eek:
My vote: The case is an actual Apple case although it may not be the final design.
When I buy my next Power Mac it'll be for what's inside not the exterior.
Is it just me or does the bottom handle appear to be deformed? Anyway, this is a very odd design for Apple. The headphone jack location is an example. Also, the metal drive bay section looks like the cheap metal you find inside a computer case not like the nice brushed metal used on the outside of the Xserve. They better have some serious specs to make up for this ID nightmare. Bleh. The fist Mac I would actually want to hide under my desk.
If this is all MOSR can come up with today ( all this gleaned from AI forum probably ) then they are blowing wind as usual.
[quote] Well, the cat is clearly out of the bag when it comes to the new PowerMac. Although some details, such as the exact main bus speed (expect DDR266, or at the outside, DDR333 -- DDR400 may be possible with Apple's new controller but cost and supply are not favorable), remain at issue, we certainly know what the new enclosure looks like, thanks to the photos recently leaked on the Web. Those photos made a brief appearance on this site, and were predictably removed upon the request of Apple Legal.
The new enclosure is not dramatically different from the existing one, with the general minitower shape and four-corner handles remaining. The quicksilver color remains, but several panels are now bare metal instead of silver-painted plastic. The two major changes appear to be room for two external drive bays, now mounted closer to the center of the machine's front panel, as well as a large increase in cooling vents. Minor changes include a new metal door latch, internal re-arrangements, and a new rear port layout as well as a front-mounted headphone jack.
The bulk of these are interesting, but the key item is definitely what's going on with the incredible new cooling vents on the front and back of the enclosure -- along with a new variable-speed high-power fan. Clearly, Apple expects this new machine to generate a lot of heat; that suggests faster processors than we might have expected when Apple's deadline appeared to be Macworld. Perhaps 1.4GHz isn't out of the question after all, even on the high-end dual processor models.
As far as graphics go on the new PMG4s: expect nVIDIA's GeForce 4MX to become standard on the low-end model, and the GeForce 4 Titanium to take over at least one of the high-end configurations. Also, ATi's new 9000-series RADEON cards, with a 25-40% performance advantage over the GF4 Ti in the high-end RADEON 9700 version, will be available as build-to-order options. <hr></blockquote>
I get the feeling the internal layout and design is what they will be using for the G5 in the future but they don't want to use an all new case design until the G5 is announced. They know an all new case design is what is going to catch peoples' attention first when the G5 is announced and they will want to make as big an impact as possible. The internal layout does indeed look like its ready for a G5. What do you think?
Does anyone remember the case Dorsal M described that apparently resembled a cube stretched into a tower configuration? One of the things said about it was that it had dual media drives mounted together in a separate square section. The odd speaker placement was also mentioned. This was well before the introduction of the QS PowerMacs. Does anyone know how to did up these old threads? The search function doesn't work anymore. I am very curious to read these old posts. I also remember something about a 3x3 configuration of the ports whatever that meant. Hmmmm...
<strong>To kill this theory once and for all check out this detail from the internal shot of the case.
It shows the area directly behind the vent holes with NO connectors etc. You can see however that the metal casing is slightly bulged here just where the front vents would be. Perhaps just to allow for the crome plastic inserts ( decorative or maybe also some sort of filter) but nothing else.
The case is SERIOUSLY about efficient cooling of the internal components. Period.</strong><hr></blockquote>
.... sigh, yeah, I'll go with that ... still, it's sorta like finding out you didn't win the beamer because you won the mercedes instead ...
Translation? Obviously, if they need THAT kind of heat sinkage, something's probably up with the chip - something wonderful. I seriously doubt a .13 process PowerPC chip @ 1.2Ghz alone could justify that.
Translation? Obviously, if they need THAT kind of heat sinkage, something's probably up with the chip - something wonderful. I seriously doubt a .13 process PowerPC chip @ 1.2Ghz alone could justify that.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Either that or they are simply getting the internal design tweaked for use with the G5 in the near future. I really think the upcoming release will be a temporary solution for the PowerMacs. Now more than ever.
OverToasty, how about hoping for this, the closest thing to magic possible...
"To maximize data bandwidth and reduce memory latency, Motorola Inc. said it will likely integrate a DRAM controller directly onto a future high-end PowerPC processor ... By doing so, the processor could bypass an external bus and have a direct link to the DRAM. ... "It makes a lot more sense to add high-speed memory controllers on processors," ... "Anytime you have a bus, you have to arbitrate for the bus. Rather than let it go hungry, you could feed the processor as fast as it can be fed."
Anyone who knows about this stuff think this is possible, in this case depicted here? Or in the next PowerMac revision?
Talking of cooling lets not forget that the current QS has got a large heat sink already. From Macspeedzone ( neatly marked as 'Monster' too already :
Anyone fancy popping one out and weighing it?!. I have looked around but can't find any stats on weight or even dimensions of the QS heatsink on the 1GHz DP.
Also the AGP slot looks like the current X4 version although it 'may' be AGP Pro ( X2, X4, X8 support; wishfu l thinking perhaps) but that needs an additional power supply and the black one just by it is for the ADC I think.
<strong>Does anyone remember the case Dorsal M described that apparently resembled a cube stretched into a tower configuration? One of the things said about it was that it had dual media drives mounted together in a separate square section. The odd speaker placement was also mentioned. This was well before the introduction of the QS PowerMacs. Does anyone know how to did up these old threads? The search function doesn't work anymore. I am very curious to read these old posts. I also remember something about a 3x3 configuration of the ports whatever that meant. Hmmmm...</strong><hr></blockquote>
This what you're looking for?
[quote]
Interesting few days. I have had a chance to use 2 new prototypes from Apple.
They are contained in the same plastics of the last prototypes but a different
color. Where the last ones were a dark gray, these new ones are a much lighter
gray with white Apple logos. There is one external 5.25 bay and one external 3.5
bay. It?s hard to explain the case. It is shaped like the cube on its side.
Imagine a clear piece of plastic shaped like an upside down U like you would see
on a cheap PC exterior case. The top is perfectly flat, and it gently curves
downward to the straight sides. Encased in it is a light silver box that fits
perfectly inside the plexi-glass outer shell. There is only about 3 inches of
clearance from the bottom though. In the front there is a flat front panel that
covers the CDRW drive. The drive is a slot load and there is a grove cut into the
plastic like the one on the top of the cube. Underneath there is an unoccupied
rectangular piece of plastic in the shape of a 3.5? device for future expansion I
imagine. Near the bottom of the front panel I see a stenciled white circle with a
vertical line through it also like the cube (the power button). The reset and
interrupt buttons are located in the back. At the bottom of the case, where the
exposed 3 inches of the U shaped plastic and the silver box meet, the U shaped
part curls inward and around in four 2-inch diameter circles that form feet.
Ingenious! Between the curled feet that rest on the desk, the U shaped plastic is
slightly off the desk by about a third of an inch so the edges do not make
contact with the desk surface. Here is a little ASCII diagram to show this:
|__|-----------------------|__|
From the side the whole thing looks like a perfect square. It is beautiful. The
rear of the machine has a full compliment of ports and slots for PCI and AGP
expansion. The kicker is the way the machine opens up. On the back there is a
familiar pop up handle like the cube (do you see the similarities?). This is the
point where you pull the whole back out. This should be done when the system is
on it?s side because the motherboard slides out on a rack and that rack has
everything on it except for the power supply. There are 3 levels of pulling it
out. The first will give you access to DIMM slots and PCI slots. The second, you
will have to push a catch that enables a full pullout with out disconnecting the
power supply cable. The third is pulling out the whole rack sans power supply.
All in all, it is a beautifully designed case, albeit a little limited in drive
expansion. I will be using the machine tomorrow extensively and should detail
some info on the inner workings of the unit in a couple days.
Comments
Speed Holes! They make the computer go faster.
The G4's MHZ problems are over.
good day,
jkb
Who else votes real?
<strong>clop clop clop clop...the sound of Arent Fox's horsemen of the apocalypse coming here to send you guys cease and desist letters...
I got my first one ever this morning.
Post it here. We wanna read it.
[quote]
Well, the cat is clearly out of the bag when it comes to the new PowerMac. Although some details, such as the exact main bus speed (expect DDR266, or at the outside, DDR333 -- DDR400 may be possible with Apple's new controller but cost and supply are not favorable), remain at issue, we certainly know what the new enclosure looks like, thanks to the photos recently leaked on the Web. Those photos made a brief appearance on this site, and were predictably removed upon the request of Apple Legal.
The new enclosure is not dramatically different from the existing one, with the general minitower shape and four-corner handles remaining. The quicksilver color remains, but several panels are now bare metal instead of silver-painted plastic. The two major changes appear to be room for two external drive bays, now mounted closer to the center of the machine's front panel, as well as a large increase in cooling vents. Minor changes include a new metal door latch, internal re-arrangements, and a new rear port layout as well as a front-mounted headphone jack.
The bulk of these are interesting, but the key item is definitely what's going on with the incredible new cooling vents on the front and back of the enclosure -- along with a new variable-speed high-power fan. Clearly, Apple expects this new machine to generate a lot of heat; that suggests faster processors than we might have expected when Apple's deadline appeared to be Macworld. Perhaps 1.4GHz isn't out of the question after all, even on the high-end dual processor models.
As far as graphics go on the new PMG4s: expect nVIDIA's GeForce 4MX to become standard on the low-end model, and the GeForce 4 Titanium to take over at least one of the high-end configurations. Also, ATi's new 9000-series RADEON cards, with a 25-40% performance advantage over the GF4 Ti in the high-end RADEON 9700 version, will be available as build-to-order options.
<hr></blockquote>
[ 07-23-2002: Message edited by: qazII ]</p>
Guys. I had another detail to show it but thought it way too obvious. As Nitride pointed out there are NO connectors etc for Firewire ports or any other type of front port
[quote] If any of you "experts" actually looked at the photos you would see there is nothing behind the area where the vents are i.e. no boards, no cables no nothing. There is no connector on the mobo for a front panel board or individual cable connections is there?
<hr></blockquote>
To kill this theory once and for all check out this detail from the internal shot of the case.
[off-site image]
<a href="http://www.planetluna.org/graphics/back_of_vents_newG4.jpg"; target="_blank">http://www.planetluna.org/graphics/back_of_vents_newG4.jpg</a>;
It shows the area directly behind the vent holes with NO connectors etc. You can see however that the metal casing is slightly bulged here just where the front vents would be. Perhaps just to allow for the crome plastic inserts ( decorative or maybe also some sort of filter) but nothing else.
The case is SERIOUSLY about efficient cooling of the internal components. Period.
[ 07-24-2002: Message edited by: sysadmin ]</p>
<strong>look closely young ones, is that logo the logo of the evil empire, the master of cruelness, the devil of devilish devils. NO NO IT CANT I CANT SEE AAAAAAARRGH MY EYES IT JUST CANT BE
m i c r o s o f t
AWASH ME IN HOLY WATER IT JUST CANT BE
j/k
They killed Kenny. Those bastards. :eek:
My vote: The case is an actual Apple case although it may not be the final design.
When I buy my next Power Mac it'll be for what's inside not the exterior.
Of course, you know you may actually be right! These will allow the Mac to use a G5
[quote] Well, the cat is clearly out of the bag when it comes to the new PowerMac. Although some details, such as the exact main bus speed (expect DDR266, or at the outside, DDR333 -- DDR400 may be possible with Apple's new controller but cost and supply are not favorable), remain at issue, we certainly know what the new enclosure looks like, thanks to the photos recently leaked on the Web. Those photos made a brief appearance on this site, and were predictably removed upon the request of Apple Legal.
The new enclosure is not dramatically different from the existing one, with the general minitower shape and four-corner handles remaining. The quicksilver color remains, but several panels are now bare metal instead of silver-painted plastic. The two major changes appear to be room for two external drive bays, now mounted closer to the center of the machine's front panel, as well as a large increase in cooling vents. Minor changes include a new metal door latch, internal re-arrangements, and a new rear port layout as well as a front-mounted headphone jack.
The bulk of these are interesting, but the key item is definitely what's going on with the incredible new cooling vents on the front and back of the enclosure -- along with a new variable-speed high-power fan. Clearly, Apple expects this new machine to generate a lot of heat; that suggests faster processors than we might have expected when Apple's deadline appeared to be Macworld. Perhaps 1.4GHz isn't out of the question after all, even on the high-end dual processor models.
As far as graphics go on the new PMG4s: expect nVIDIA's GeForce 4MX to become standard on the low-end model, and the GeForce 4 Titanium to take over at least one of the high-end configurations. Also, ATi's new 9000-series RADEON cards, with a 25-40% performance advantage over the GF4 Ti in the high-end RADEON 9700 version, will be available as build-to-order options. <hr></blockquote>
<strong>To kill this theory once and for all check out this detail from the internal shot of the case.
It shows the area directly behind the vent holes with NO connectors etc. You can see however that the metal casing is slightly bulged here just where the front vents would be. Perhaps just to allow for the crome plastic inserts ( decorative or maybe also some sort of filter) but nothing else.
The case is SERIOUSLY about efficient cooling of the internal components. Period.</strong><hr></blockquote>
.... sigh, yeah, I'll go with that ... still, it's sorta like finding out you didn't win the beamer because you won the mercedes instead ...
Translation? Obviously, if they need THAT kind of heat sinkage, something's probably up with the chip - something wonderful. I seriously doubt a .13 process PowerPC chip @ 1.2Ghz alone could justify that.
Crossing fingers - hoping for magic.
<strong>
Translation? Obviously, if they need THAT kind of heat sinkage, something's probably up with the chip - something wonderful. I seriously doubt a .13 process PowerPC chip @ 1.2Ghz alone could justify that.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Either that or they are simply getting the internal design tweaked for use with the G5 in the near future. I really think the upcoming release will be a temporary solution for the PowerMacs. Now more than ever.
"To maximize data bandwidth and reduce memory latency, Motorola Inc. said it will likely integrate a DRAM controller directly onto a future high-end PowerPC processor ... By doing so, the processor could bypass an external bus and have a direct link to the DRAM. ... "It makes a lot more sense to add high-speed memory controllers on processors," ... "Anytime you have a bus, you have to arbitrate for the bus. Rather than let it go hungry, you could feed the processor as fast as it can be fed."
Anyone who knows about this stuff think this is possible, in this case depicted here? Or in the next PowerMac revision?
Talking of cooling lets not forget that the current QS has got a large heat sink already. From Macspeedzone ( neatly marked as 'Monster' too already
Anyone fancy popping one out and weighing it?!. I have looked around but can't find any stats on weight or even dimensions of the QS heatsink on the 1GHz DP.
Also the AGP slot looks like the current X4 version although it 'may' be AGP Pro ( X2, X4, X8 support; wishfu l thinking perhaps) but that needs an additional power supply and the black one just by it is for the ADC I think.
[ 07-23-2002: Message edited by: Moonraker ]</p>
<strong>Does anyone remember the case Dorsal M described that apparently resembled a cube stretched into a tower configuration? One of the things said about it was that it had dual media drives mounted together in a separate square section. The odd speaker placement was also mentioned. This was well before the introduction of the QS PowerMacs. Does anyone know how to did up these old threads? The search function doesn't work anymore. I am very curious to read these old posts. I also remember something about a 3x3 configuration of the ports whatever that meant. Hmmmm...</strong><hr></blockquote>
This what you're looking for?
[quote]
Interesting few days. I have had a chance to use 2 new prototypes from Apple.
They are contained in the same plastics of the last prototypes but a different
color. Where the last ones were a dark gray, these new ones are a much lighter
gray with white Apple logos. There is one external 5.25 bay and one external 3.5
bay. It?s hard to explain the case. It is shaped like the cube on its side.
Imagine a clear piece of plastic shaped like an upside down U like you would see
on a cheap PC exterior case. The top is perfectly flat, and it gently curves
downward to the straight sides. Encased in it is a light silver box that fits
perfectly inside the plexi-glass outer shell. There is only about 3 inches of
clearance from the bottom though. In the front there is a flat front panel that
covers the CDRW drive. The drive is a slot load and there is a grove cut into the
plastic like the one on the top of the cube. Underneath there is an unoccupied
rectangular piece of plastic in the shape of a 3.5? device for future expansion I
imagine. Near the bottom of the front panel I see a stenciled white circle with a
vertical line through it also like the cube (the power button). The reset and
interrupt buttons are located in the back. At the bottom of the case, where the
exposed 3 inches of the U shaped plastic and the silver box meet, the U shaped
part curls inward and around in four 2-inch diameter circles that form feet.
Ingenious! Between the curled feet that rest on the desk, the U shaped plastic is
slightly off the desk by about a third of an inch so the edges do not make
contact with the desk surface. Here is a little ASCII diagram to show this:
|__|-----------------------|__|
From the side the whole thing looks like a perfect square. It is beautiful. The
rear of the machine has a full compliment of ports and slots for PCI and AGP
expansion. The kicker is the way the machine opens up. On the back there is a
familiar pop up handle like the cube (do you see the similarities?). This is the
point where you pull the whole back out. This should be done when the system is
on it?s side because the motherboard slides out on a rack and that rack has
everything on it except for the power supply. There are 3 levels of pulling it
out. The first will give you access to DIMM slots and PCI slots. The second, you
will have to push a catch that enables a full pullout with out disconnecting the
power supply cable. The third is pulling out the whole rack sans power supply.
All in all, it is a beautifully designed case, albeit a little limited in drive
expansion. I will be using the machine tomorrow extensively and should detail
some info on the inner workings of the unit in a couple days.
<hr></blockquote>
The speculation as this point is simply without merit. Gentlemen, you all need to take a step back and look at this....
?Does this even remotely resemble anything that Apple has shipped as an enclosure ever?
?Is it like Apple to mix and match Bezel materials?
?Does the metal cover look at all like it would be part of the design in all reality?
Does the reworked image by ajprice (awesome work, certainly) really look like Apple? Ask yourself. STOP. Just think about it. DOES IT?
Does it match the style of iMac, eMac, Xserve, iBook or TiBook?
The answer is NO.
It looks nothing like them aside from colors.
Stare at it for 5 minutes and a glut of Ives inconsistencies jump jump at you.
They only thing of value in those photos are the Logic board and the CD Bezel (the metal piece).
AJ, mock up one on of those Xserve lookin' units. lets see what that looks like.