So AT&T now calls less-than-full-5G “5G” and full 5G “5G+” ? What a confusing mess they are creating with their marketing which is trying to pretend they are ready to roll out 5G when they actually are not.
AT&T should call low band “5G-BS” and full speed “5G”
5G isn’t about the devices we carry in our pockets. It’s about everything else that wants to be connected in our lives. The ability to ditch traditional cable operators for a cellular based internet service in your home.
Agree, but AT&T is the most heavily indebted public company in the world and they are going to want a King’s Ransom for any high speed residential product with a decent data allowance. I am pretty sure the Time-Warner purchase and (HBO Max creation) was to stream content without application to a data cap as a means to push their service.
My Comcast internet is 1TB at 165 Mbps (average) for $60 a month without a contract. Overage is sold in blocks of 50GB for $10 and you set 2 free months of overages yearly. We have a houseful of electronics tied to the internet and that is more than enough. It also gives me secure high speed wireless access at countless places all over the US instead of open public WiFi.
I cannot see AT&T or Verizon offering that kind of service for 2X that price.
This is what shows up in parts of the Memphis area and has since late spring of this year...
Live in the burbs outside Memphis and spend considerable time in the city. Most parts of Memphis have horrible AT&T service as they have more people drawing on the towers than they have the ability to provide decent service.
Can I just get freaking basic coverage for texting and calling at diamond lake, Oregon? 5G who gives a crap if you can't get ahold of your family when you drive up separately because the wife had to work an extra day.
Cell service and healthcare in this country both are driven by the profit model: No Profit, No Service. It doesn't matter how advanced the 'G is or how advanced the MRI is, No Profit, No Service. That's why rural areas are deficient in both.
Since 2015, China has reportedly outspent the US by $24 billion in 5G
infrastructure. In the same period, according to media reports, the US
built fewer than 30,000 new cell sites, while the corresponding number
in China was more than 10 times higher.
But, that is probably the biggest reason Apple needs to roll out a 5G phone as quickly as possible -- simply to stay competitive. We can't look at Keokuk, Iowa or Hillbilly, WV and use that as the basis for whether we need 5G phones of not.
No one has yet adequately explained what 5G on a smartphone brings to the table other than nerds bragging about their download speeds. Phone calls, emails, texting don't need 5G. Most apps don’t need 5G. Who plays multiple character shoot-em-ups on a smartphone where latency counts? One can already stream a 4K movie on 4G LTE just fine, although 4K movies on a smartphone screen is about the most asinine thing I can think of. In my opinion the killer app for 5G will be fixed broadband for homes and business and that appears to be a ways oft yet. And the carriers want $10/mo more for 5G? Are you kidding me!
It will help lots of tech. Self driving cars, Navigation, GPS, 1st responders to name just a few.
Great, stay on the slower speed. The less the better for the higher speed one's that want and need it. In a few years all cell phones will be 5G. Try finding a up to 3G phone only. It will be added, you will pay extra for it.
Self driving cars - great, but that's for your car, not your phone. GPS - possibly for your phone, but current GPS can give you accuracy within a few meters. How will 5G improve on that? First Responders - how? And again, this is helpful to the public as a whole but not necessarily pertinent to individuals buying cell phones.
No one is asking or planning on staying on 3G; just asking what the benefit to paying extra for 5G is. So far it seems to be nothing.
No one has yet adequately explained what 5G on a smartphone brings to the table other than nerds bragging about their download speeds. Phone calls, emails, texting don't need 5G. Most apps don’t need 5G. Who plays multiple character shoot-em-ups on a smartphone where latency counts? One can already stream a 4K movie on 4G LTE just fine, although 4K movies on a smartphone screen is about the most asinine thing I can think of. In my opinion the killer app for 5G will be fixed broadband for homes and business and that appears to be a ways oft yet. And the carriers want $10/mo more for 5G? Are you kidding me!
The same was said when LTE rolled out. It fostered a revolution in smart phones -- they transitioned from primarily phones to pocket computers in a way that even Steve Jobs didn't predict. My bet is on technology and the future.
True, but that revolution didn't occur overnight, it took years. 4G/LTE networks started to roll out around 2010. The iPhone wasn't capable of 4G until the 5 released in 2012 and we still have 10% of the country that's on 3G, 9 years after the networks started (even though 3G is scheduled to be retired at the end of the year)
Bottom line - 5G is coming but there's no need to stress or panic. I'll happily upgrade my cell service when it actually makes sense to do so. Until then, if someone else wants to spend an extra $500 on their phone and pay extra for the service so they can brag about how fast they hit their data cap, be my guest.
This is what shows up in parts of the Memphis area and has since late spring of this year...
Live in the burbs outside Memphis and spend considerable time in the city. Most parts of Memphis have horrible AT&T service as they have more people drawing on the towers than they have the ability to provide decent service.
We spent the past two years on and off in Germantown, and when staying extended times, I took one of the Microcells with me because AT&T basically was one to two bars at the house (Farmington CC area).
No one has yet adequately explained what 5G on a smartphone brings to the table other than nerds bragging about their download speeds. Phone calls, emails, texting don't need 5G. Most apps don’t need 5G. Who plays multiple character shoot-em-ups on a smartphone where latency counts? One can already stream a 4K movie on 4G LTE just fine, although 4K movies on a smartphone screen is about the most asinine thing I can think of. In my opinion the killer app for 5G will be fixed broadband for homes and business and that appears to be a ways oft yet. And the carriers want $10/mo more for 5G? Are you kidding me!
I've read where 5G will be at least 10 times as fast as 4G. That's nothing to sneeze at when it will affect almost everything done on a smartphone. FaceTime, Maps, and Facebook and YouTube videos come immediately to mind. It will also propagate far more extensively than 4G, thereby providing much better coverage.
No one has yet adequately explained what 5G on a smartphone brings to the table other than nerds bragging about their download speeds. Phone calls, emails, texting don't need 5G. Most apps don’t need 5G. Who plays multiple character shoot-em-ups on a smartphone where latency counts? One can already stream a 4K movie on 4G LTE just fine, although 4K movies on a smartphone screen is about the most asinine thing I can think of. In my opinion the killer app for 5G will be fixed broadband for homes and business and that appears to be a ways oft yet. And the carriers want $10/mo more for 5G? Are you kidding me!
It will help lots of tech. Self driving cars, Navigation, GPS, 1st responders to name just a few.
Great, stay on the slower speed. The less the better for the higher speed one's that want and need it. In a few years all cell phones will be 5G. Try finding a up to 3G phone only. It will be added, you will pay extra for it.
Self driving cars - great, but that's for your car, not your phone. GPS - possibly for your phone, but current GPS can give you accuracy within a few meters. How will 5G improve on that? First Responders - how? And again, this is helpful to the public as a whole but not necessarily pertinent to individuals buying cell phones.
No one is asking or planning on staying on 3G; just asking what the benefit to paying extra for 5G is. So far it seems to be nothing.
No one has yet adequately explained what 5G on a smartphone brings to the table other than nerds bragging about their download speeds. Phone calls, emails, texting don't need 5G. Most apps don’t need 5G. Who plays multiple character shoot-em-ups on a smartphone where latency counts? One can already stream a 4K movie on 4G LTE just fine, although 4K movies on a smartphone screen is about the most asinine thing I can think of. In my opinion the killer app for 5G will be fixed broadband for homes and business and that appears to be a ways oft yet. And the carriers want $10/mo more for 5G? Are you kidding me!
The same was said when LTE rolled out. It fostered a revolution in smart phones -- they transitioned from primarily phones to pocket computers in a way that even Steve Jobs didn't predict. My bet is on technology and the future.
True, but that revolution didn't occur overnight, it took years. 4G/LTE networks started to roll out around 2010. The iPhone wasn't capable of 4G until the 5 released in 2012 and we still have 10% of the country that's on 3G, 9 years after the networks started (even though 3G is scheduled to be retired at the end of the year)
Bottom line - 5G is coming but there's no need to stress or panic. I'll happily upgrade my cell service when it actually makes sense to do so. Until then, if someone else wants to spend an extra $500 on their phone and pay extra for the service so they can brag about how fast they hit their data cap, be my guest.
I wouldn't judge 5G by the U.S. -- we lagging much of the world. As I said above:
"Since 2015, China has reportedly outspent the US by $24 billion in 5G
infrastructure. In the same period, according to media reports, the US
built fewer than 30,000 new cell sites, while the corresponding number
in China was more than 10 times higher."
And, that disparity with China will continue to grow because our model of relying on for-profit companies to build out infrastructure is less than effective. And, China is far from alone in pressing for the roll-out of 5G.
As for Apple lagging, as an industry leader, their foot dragging is slowing down the whole thing since it takes both transmitters and receivers.
Yet I can still drive round parts of suburbia here in NorCal and have disconnects or service drop to "3G" ... read, can't load an image.
No 'G will fix that. Only government. But we don't have the national will to do it. We have essentially abandoned maintenance and (especially) improvements to our infrastructure. Some even want to turn our highways and postal service over to for-profit corporations. If we do that, rural folks are back to Pony Express over dirt roads.
China on the other hand has no qualms about using both government or for-profit depending on which will be more effective. It is why they are crushing us in 5G technology (by using a mixture of both public and private) and, in general, growing at 3 times the rate that we are. They aren't restricted by personal greed justified by ideology.
Can I just get freaking basic coverage for texting and calling at diamond lake, Oregon? 5G who gives a crap if you can't get ahold of your family when you drive up separately because the wife had to work an extra day.
Cell service and healthcare in this country both are driven by the profit model: No Profit, No Service. It doesn't matter how advanced the 'G is or how advanced the MRI is, No Profit, No Service. That's why rural areas are deficient in both.
I understand, but if your competition serves it's customers needs better in say a certain area it's only a matter of time before your profits take a hit.
Since 2015, China has reportedly outspent the US by $24 billion in 5G
infrastructure. In the same period, according to media reports, the US
built fewer than 30,000 new cell sites, while the corresponding number
in China was more than 10 times higher.
But, that is probably the biggest reason Apple needs to roll out a 5G phone as quickly as possible -- simply to stay competitive. We can't look at Keokuk, Iowa or Hillbilly, WV and use that as the basis for whether we need 5G phones of not.
I always have to laugh at you throwing out such numbers from China, and especially, as if China is all that far along in 5G operation;
That link suggests that China wouldn't have any Commerciall 5G until October of this year, which was behind the U.S., among others. Apple shipping iPhones in volume next September with mmwave 5G capabilities will still be far ahead of most of the 5G infrastructure yet to occur by any country or telecom.
And here's another couple of links to Chinese spying and influence;
The security problem for Huawei in the West is that China and the CCP controls Huawei, so why would any country allow Huawei into critical telecom infrastructure?
Can I just get freaking basic coverage for texting and calling at diamond lake, Oregon? 5G who gives a crap if you can't get ahold of your family when you drive up separately because the wife had to work an extra day.
Cell service and healthcare in this country both are driven by the profit model: No Profit, No Service. It doesn't matter how advanced the 'G is or how advanced the MRI is, No Profit, No Service. That's why rural areas are deficient in both.
I understand, but if your competition serves it's customers needs better in say a certain area it's only a matter of time before your profits take a hit.
That true. That's why, for critical infrastructure we need either government control or, if done through private enterprise, it needs to be strictly regulated so the needs of the nation are served rather than a few share holders. The original for-profit utilities were forced to serve what would typically be unprofitable areas, but were guaranteed a fair return to the shareholders.
Since 2015, China has reportedly outspent the US by $24 billion in 5G
infrastructure. In the same period, according to media reports, the US
built fewer than 30,000 new cell sites, while the corresponding number
in China was more than 10 times higher.
But, that is probably the biggest reason Apple needs to roll out a 5G phone as quickly as possible -- simply to stay competitive. We can't look at Keokuk, Iowa or Hillbilly, WV and use that as the basis for whether we need 5G phones of not.
I always have to laugh at you throwing out such numbers from China, and especially, as if China is all that far along in 5G operation;
That link suggests that China wouldn't have any Commerciall 5G until October of this year, which was behind the U.S., among others. Apple shipping iPhones in volume next September with mmwave 5G capabilities will still be far ahead of most of the 5G infrastructure yet to occur by any country or telecom.
And here's another couple of links to Chinese spying and influence;
The security problem for Huawei in the West is that China and the CCP controls Huawei, so why would any country allow Huawei into critical telecom infrastructure?
Of course, China is threatening Germany with trade reprisals.
No, sorry, but 5G is already up and running in China and expanding rapidly.
And, no, despite a plethora of right wing conspiracy theories, Huawei is not controlled by the Chinese government or the CCP.
And, while there are always some paranoid right wing conspiracy theorists having hissy fits, even the Trump administration has backed off their claims that there is any evidence Huawei has ever spied on anybody. That nonsense is just propaganda to support Trump's failing Trade War.
Since 2015, China has reportedly outspent the US by $24 billion in 5G
infrastructure. In the same period, according to media reports, the US
built fewer than 30,000 new cell sites, while the corresponding number
in China was more than 10 times higher.
But, that is probably the biggest reason Apple needs to roll out a 5G phone as quickly as possible -- simply to stay competitive. We can't look at Keokuk, Iowa or Hillbilly, WV and use that as the basis for whether we need 5G phones of not.
I always have to laugh at you throwing out such numbers from China, and especially, as if China is all that far along in 5G operation;
That link suggests that China wouldn't have any Commerciall 5G until October of this year, which was behind the U.S., among others. Apple shipping iPhones in volume next September with mmwave 5G capabilities will still be far ahead of most of the 5G infrastructure yet to occur by any country or telecom.
And here's another couple of links to Chinese spying and influence;
The security problem for Huawei in the West is that China and the CCP controls Huawei, so why would any country allow Huawei into critical telecom infrastructure?
Of course, China is threatening Germany with trade reprisals.
No, sorry, but 5G is already up and running in China and expanding rapidly.
And, no, despite a plethora of right wing conspiracy theories, Huawei is not controlled by the Chinese government or the CCP.
And, while there are always some paranoid right wing conspiracy theorists having hissy fits, even the Trump administration has backed off their claims that there is any evidence Huawei has ever spied on anybody. That nonsense is just propaganda to support Trump's failing Trade War.
It's quite humorous that you never post any links to support your POV or arguments wrt China, yet are happy to post, twice, "right wing conspiracy theory" as if I didn't actually post factual links.
Since 2015, China has reportedly outspent the US by $24 billion in 5G
infrastructure. In the same period, according to media reports, the US
built fewer than 30,000 new cell sites, while the corresponding number
in China was more than 10 times higher.
But, that is probably the biggest reason Apple needs to roll out a 5G phone as quickly as possible -- simply to stay competitive. We can't look at Keokuk, Iowa or Hillbilly, WV and use that as the basis for whether we need 5G phones of not.
I always have to laugh at you throwing out such numbers from China, and especially, as if China is all that far along in 5G operation;
That link suggests that China wouldn't have any Commerciall 5G until October of this year, which was behind the U.S., among others. Apple shipping iPhones in volume next September with mmwave 5G capabilities will still be far ahead of most of the 5G infrastructure yet to occur by any country or telecom.
And here's another couple of links to Chinese spying and influence;
The security problem for Huawei in the West is that China and the CCP controls Huawei, so why would any country allow Huawei into critical telecom infrastructure?
Of course, China is threatening Germany with trade reprisals.
5G is 5G. You need to understand that. There are different frequencies for different scenarios but if they fall under the 5G umbrella, it's 5G.
NSA will be the first phase and SA the following phase.
mmWave doesn't make lower frequencies 'not 5G'. In fact, this article is basically about non-mmWave.
mmWave will be very limited for years and that is why there are so few countries rolling it out now. Some of today's consumer facing 5G technology doesn't even support it yet.
China:
China announced that it was accelerating its (already accelerated) 5G plans and that is exactly what is happening. It is unlikely the U.S will be able to match China's roll out and by eliminating Huawei from U.S networks, it will be paying more for equipment that isn't the best available.
China doesn't control Huawei and Huawei can't control the systems it deploys any more than Nokia or Ericsson control their equipment. The carriers control the networks.
On top of that, Huawei gives carriers and governments more access to its infrastructure than anyone on the market.
U.S.A
Of course we have already seen the U.S government reportedly strongarm U.S carriers into breaching signed contracts with Huawei. We have seen the U.S president 'hereby order...'. Who knows what else he will 'hereby order' (via tweet or executive order).
We have seen the U.S threaten sovereign nations to get them to drop Huawei. We have seen the entity list. We have seen a lot.
What we haven't seen and will probably NEVER see is even the slightest shred of evidence to back up U.S claims.
Let's call it hogwash.
It seems that other nations also see hogwash and that might explain why Huawei has signed over 65 commercial 5G contracts.
We have seen nearly 300 U.S companies officially request licences to do business with Huawei and we have seen Huawei take its business elsewhere and accelerate its plans to produce more and more of its own technology and quietly begin offering some of it to third parties.
The U.S president famously tweeted: "not on my watch". It is ironic that major economic harm has been enacted on U.S tech companies as a direct result of his actions. Not only that but U.S tech competitors the world over are now picking up the slack and pushing to displace those same companies from the supply lines to one of the largest tech companies on the planet.
The genie is out of the bottle and it happened on his watch. The irony! Bravo!
Perhaps someone can explain what makes a Huawei smartphone a potential national security risk. Enough for AT&T to be supposedly forced to back out of a signed deal to carry Huawei phones nationwide. After more than a year of joint testing on AT&T networks.
AT&T will now have to use lesser equipment in its 5G roll out. Equipment that will cost more to boot.
Since 2015, China has reportedly outspent the US by $24 billion in 5G
infrastructure. In the same period, according to media reports, the US
built fewer than 30,000 new cell sites, while the corresponding number
in China was more than 10 times higher.
But, that is probably the biggest reason Apple needs to roll out a 5G phone as quickly as possible -- simply to stay competitive. We can't look at Keokuk, Iowa or Hillbilly, WV and use that as the basis for whether we need 5G phones of not.
I always have to laugh at you throwing out such numbers from China, and especially, as if China is all that far along in 5G operation;
That link suggests that China wouldn't have any Commerciall 5G until October of this year, which was behind the U.S., among others. Apple shipping iPhones in volume next September with mmwave 5G capabilities will still be far ahead of most of the 5G infrastructure yet to occur by any country or telecom.
And here's another couple of links to Chinese spying and influence;
The security problem for Huawei in the West is that China and the CCP controls Huawei, so why would any country allow Huawei into critical telecom infrastructure?
Of course, China is threatening Germany with trade reprisals.
5G is 5G. You need to understand that. There are different frequencies for different scenarios but if they fall under the 5G umbrella, it's 5G.
NSA will be the first phase and SA the following phase.
mmWave doesn't make lower frequencies 'not 5G'. In fact, this article is basically about non-mmWave.
mmWave will be very limited for years and that is why there are so few countries rolling it out now. Some of today's consumer facing 5G technology doesn't even support it yet.
China:
China announced that it was accelerating its (already accelerated) 5G plans and that is exactly what is happening. It is unlikely the U.S will be able to match China's roll out and by eliminating Huawei from U.S networks, it will be paying more for equipment that isn't the best available.
China doesn't control Huawei and Huawei can't control the systems it deploys any more than Nokia or Ericsson control their equipment. The carriers control the networks.
On top of that, Huawei gives carriers and governments more access to its infrastructure than anyone on the market.
U.S.A
Of course we have already seen the U.S government reportedly strongarm U.S carriers into breaching signed contracts with Huawei. We have seen the U.S president 'hereby order...'. Who knows what else he will 'hereby order' (via tweet or executive order).
We have seen the U.S threaten sovereign nations to get them to drop Huawei. We have seen the entity list. We have seen a lot.
What we haven't seen and will probably NEVER see is even the slightest shred of evidence to back up U.S claims.
Let's call it hogwash.
It seems that other nations also see hogwash and that might explain why Huawei has signed over 65 commercial 5G contracts.
We have seen nearly 300 U.S companies officially request licences to do business with Huawei and we have seen Huawei take its business elsewhere and accelerate its plans to produce more and more of its own technology and quietly begin offering some of it to third parties.
The U.S president famously tweeted: "not on my watch". It is ironic that major economic harm has been enacted on U.S tech companies as a direct result of his actions. Not only that but U.S tech competitors the world over are now picking up the slack and pushing to displace those same companies from the supply lines to one of the largest tech companies on the planet.
The genie is out of the bottle and it happened on his watch. The irony! Bravo!
Perhaps someone can explain what makes a Huawei smartphone a potential national security risk. Enough for AT&T to be supposedly forced to back out of a signed deal to carry Huawei phones nationwide. After more than a year of joint testing on AT&T networks.
AT&T will now have to use lesser equipment in its 5G roll out. Equipment that will cost more to boot.
Since 2015, China has reportedly outspent the US by $24 billion in 5G
infrastructure. In the same period, according to media reports, the US
built fewer than 30,000 new cell sites, while the corresponding number
in China was more than 10 times higher.
But, that is probably the biggest reason Apple needs to roll out a 5G phone as quickly as possible -- simply to stay competitive. We can't look at Keokuk, Iowa or Hillbilly, WV and use that as the basis for whether we need 5G phones of not.
I always have to laugh at you throwing out such numbers from China, and especially, as if China is all that far along in 5G operation;
That link suggests that China wouldn't have any Commerciall 5G until October of this year, which was behind the U.S., among others. Apple shipping iPhones in volume next September with mmwave 5G capabilities will still be far ahead of most of the 5G infrastructure yet to occur by any country or telecom.
And here's another couple of links to Chinese spying and influence;
The security problem for Huawei in the West is that China and the CCP controls Huawei, so why would any country allow Huawei into critical telecom infrastructure?
Of course, China is threatening Germany with trade reprisals.
No, sorry, but 5G is already up and running in China and expanding rapidly.
And, no, despite a plethora of right wing conspiracy theories, Huawei is not controlled by the Chinese government or the CCP.
And, while there are always some paranoid right wing conspiracy theorists having hissy fits, even the Trump administration has backed off their claims that there is any evidence Huawei has ever spied on anybody. That nonsense is just propaganda to support Trump's failing Trade War.
It's quite humorous that you never post any links to support your POV or arguments wrt China, yet are happy to post, twice, "right wing conspiracy theory" as if I didn't actually post factual links.
Posting links? You and Trump can make it up faster than I can disprove it. It would be an exercise in futility. I'll just stick to reality.
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My Comcast internet is 1TB at 165 Mbps (average) for $60 a month without a contract. Overage is sold in blocks of 50GB for $10 and you set 2 free months of overages yearly. We have a houseful of electronics tied to the internet and that is more than enough. It also gives me secure high speed wireless access at countless places all over the US instead of open public WiFi.
I cannot see AT&T or Verizon offering that kind of service for 2X that price.
Live in the burbs outside Memphis and spend considerable time in the city. Most parts of Memphis have horrible AT&T service as they have more people drawing on the towers than they have the ability to provide decent service.
Do you have Femtocells or Picocells?
How much better is the footprint for one compared to a well designed mesh network?
The other question is who is providing your home internet? Are you where someone like Frontier has service or are you using satellite?
GPS - possibly for your phone, but current GPS can give you accuracy within a few meters. How will 5G improve on that?
First Responders - how? And again, this is helpful to the public as a whole but not necessarily pertinent to individuals buying cell phones.
No one is asking or planning on staying on 3G; just asking what the benefit to paying extra for 5G is. So far it seems to be nothing.
True, but that revolution didn't occur overnight, it took years. 4G/LTE networks started to roll out around 2010. The iPhone wasn't capable of 4G until the 5 released in 2012 and we still have 10% of the country that's on 3G, 9 years after the networks started (even though 3G is scheduled to be retired at the end of the year)
Bottom line - 5G is coming but there's no need to stress or panic. I'll happily upgrade my cell service when it actually makes sense to do so. Until then, if someone else wants to spend an extra $500 on their phone and pay extra for the service so they can brag about how fast they hit their data cap, be my guest.
As for Apple lagging, as an industry leader, their foot dragging is slowing down the whole thing since it takes both transmitters and receivers.
https://www.worldtimezone.com/5g.html
That link suggests that China wouldn't have any Commerciall 5G until October of this year, which was behind the U.S., among others. Apple shipping iPhones in volume next September with mmwave 5G capabilities will still be far ahead of most of the 5G infrastructure yet to occur by any country or telecom.
And here's another couple of links to Chinese spying and influence;
https://www.theage.com.au/national/defecting-chinese-spy-offers-information-trove-to-australian-government-20191122-p53d1l.html
https://www.smh.com.au/national/peter-hartcher-on-china-s-infiltration-of-australia-20191118-p53bly.html
The security problem for Huawei in the West is that China and the CCP controls Huawei, so why would any country allow Huawei into critical telecom infrastructure?
An example from the Philippines;
https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/politics/article/3038655/china-can-turn-philippine-national-power-grid-officials-say
Oh, and Merkel in Germany is under fire from her own party to reverse her position on allowing Huawei in Germany's telecom infrastructure:
https://www.dw.com/en/german-parliament-to-decide-on-huawei-5g-involvement-merkels-cdu-party-agrees/a-51379848
Of course, China is threatening Germany with trade reprisals.
NSA will be the first phase and SA the following phase.
mmWave doesn't make lower frequencies 'not 5G'. In fact, this article is basically about non-mmWave.
mmWave will be very limited for years and that is why there are so few countries rolling it out now. Some of today's consumer facing 5G technology doesn't even support it yet.
China:
China announced that it was accelerating its (already accelerated) 5G plans and that is exactly what is happening. It is unlikely the U.S will be able to match China's roll out and by eliminating Huawei from U.S networks, it will be paying more for equipment that isn't the best available.
China doesn't control Huawei and Huawei can't control the systems it deploys any more than Nokia or Ericsson control their equipment. The carriers control the networks.
On top of that, Huawei gives carriers and governments more access to its infrastructure than anyone on the market.
U.S.A
Of course we have already seen the U.S government reportedly strongarm U.S carriers into breaching signed contracts with Huawei. We have seen the U.S president 'hereby order...'. Who knows what else he will 'hereby order' (via tweet or executive order).
We have seen the U.S threaten sovereign nations to get them to drop Huawei. We have seen the entity list. We have seen a lot.
What we haven't seen and will probably NEVER see is even the slightest shred of evidence to back up U.S claims.
Let's call it hogwash.
It seems that other nations also see hogwash and that might explain why Huawei has signed over 65 commercial 5G contracts.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-huawei-tech-europe/despite-political-headwinds-huawei-wins-5g-customers-in-europe-idUSKBN1WU2GI
We have seen nearly 300 U.S companies officially request licences to do business with Huawei and we have seen Huawei take its business elsewhere and accelerate its plans to produce more and more of its own technology and quietly begin offering some of it to third parties.
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-50496639
The U.S president famously tweeted: "not on my watch". It is ironic that major economic harm has been enacted on U.S tech companies as a direct result of his actions. Not only that but U.S tech competitors the world over are now picking up the slack and pushing to displace those same companies from the supply lines to one of the largest tech companies on the planet.
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/11/22/business/corporate-business/huawei-parts-procured-japan-firms-worth-10-billion-2019/#.Xdl9ybeCGDY
The genie is out of the bottle and it happened on his watch. The irony! Bravo!
Perhaps someone can explain what makes a Huawei smartphone a potential national security risk. Enough for AT&T to be supposedly forced to back out of a signed deal to carry Huawei phones nationwide. After more than a year of joint testing on AT&T networks.
AT&T will now have to use lesser equipment in its 5G roll out. Equipment that will cost more to boot.
NSA will be the first phase and SA the following phase.
mmWave doesn't make lower frequencies 'not 5G'. In fact, this article is basically about non-mmWave.
mmWave will be very limited for years and that is why there are so few countries rolling it out now. Some of today's consumer facing 5G technology doesn't even support it yet.
China:
China announced that it was accelerating its (already accelerated) 5G plans and that is exactly what is happening. It is unlikely the U.S will be able to match China's roll out and by eliminating Huawei from U.S networks, it will be paying more for equipment that isn't the best available.
China doesn't control Huawei and Huawei can't control the systems it deploys any more than Nokia or Ericsson control their equipment. The carriers control the networks.
On top of that, Huawei gives carriers and governments more access to its infrastructure than anyone on the market.
U.S.A
Of course we have already seen the U.S government reportedly strongarm U.S carriers into breaching signed contracts with Huawei. We have seen the U.S president 'hereby order...'. Who knows what else he will 'hereby order' (via tweet or executive order).
We have seen the U.S threaten sovereign nations to get them to drop Huawei. We have seen the entity list. We have seen a lot.
What we haven't seen and will probably NEVER see is even the slightest shred of evidence to back up U.S claims.
Let's call it hogwash.
It seems that other nations also see hogwash and that might explain why Huawei has signed over 65 commercial 5G contracts.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-huawei-tech-europe/despite-political-headwinds-huawei-wins-5g-customers-in-europe-idUSKBN1WU2GI
We have seen nearly 300 U.S companies officially request licences to do business with Huawei and we have seen Huawei take its business elsewhere and accelerate its plans to produce more and more of its own technology and quietly begin offering some of it to third parties.
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-50496639
The U.S president famously tweeted: "not on my watch". It is ironic that major economic harm has been enacted on U.S tech companies as a direct result of his actions. Not only that but U.S tech competitors the world over are now picking up the slack and pushing to displace those same companies from the supply lines to one of the largest tech companies on the planet.
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/11/22/business/corporate-business/huawei-parts-procured-japan-firms-worth-10-billion-2019/#.Xdl9ybeCGDY
The genie is out of the bottle and it happened on his watch. The irony! Bravo!
Perhaps someone can explain what makes a Huawei smartphone a potential national security risk. Enough for AT&T to be supposedly forced to back out of a signed deal to carry Huawei phones nationwide. After more than a year of joint testing on AT&T networks.
AT&T will now have to use lesser equipment in its 5G roll out. Equipment that will cost more to boot.