Foxconn's Wisconsin innovation centers remain unused one year later

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    65026502 Posts: 382member
    6502 said:
    apple ][ said:
    Fake innovation centers from a fake president. Designed to swing votes in the swing state. 
    He's very real and no matter how hard certain people who can't handle facts and reality insist, he's also the legitimate President, regardless if some people like it or not.

    No president who colludes with an enemy to get himself elected can be called legitimate -- especially one who most Americans voted against.
    The Mueller report and common sense disproved this. Trump won the election fair and square. The presidency is determined by the electoral college. Don't like that fine, get the law changed before the election. Campaigning would be very different and would only be done in CA, NY, TX, FL and a few other states.

    Actually, contrary to Bill Barr's false reporting (which Mueller actually called him out on) along with FauxNews propaganda, the Mueller report said the opposite.   It stated that Trump obstructed the investigation but despite his obstruction it was shown that he knew about the Russian attacks on our election, he encouraged them and cooperated with them.   That's collusion with an enemy to throw an election.   The only thing Mueller "cleared" of was criminal conspiracy because, as he said, with Trump's obstruction he wasn't able to gather enough evidence to prove the criminal conspiracy charge.

    So, feeling that he was above the law and getting scared and desperate, Trump tried essentially the same thing last year with Ukraine -- using a foreign power to tilt an American election his way.

    You can continue singing the Bill Barr / FauxNews lies if you want.  But most Americans prefer the the truth -- and an honest president.   That's probably why most American voted for Hillary.   They recognized how vile and corrupt Trump is.
    The Mueller report went over like a lead balloon, even the democrats were disappointed, and his testimony was a joke. If it were true, why didn't Obama, who was president at the time stop it? Trump wasn't in charge at the time. And, why was this not included in the impeachment hearings? Trump got impeached for Biden's crimes. Biden admitted to getting a Ukrainian prosecutor fired for investigating his son, who has made million in Ukraine and China (but can't pay his child support). Everything you don't like is false, everything you like is true. Got it.

    Most of America didn't vote for Hillary, it was 48.2% to 46.1%, most would be 90% to 10%, way to spin it.

    And, are you actually saying democrats are so weak minded that they saw a russian ad on facebook and that change their mind? This is nothing more corrupt than the Clinton Crime Family.
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  • Reply 62 of 91
    65026502 Posts: 382member
    mknelson said:
    6502 said:
    Hillary literally tweeted how she's happy we're #1 in china virus deaths because it happened while Trump was president.
    Link to the tweet - the only one I've seen was "He did promise "America First." https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/26/health/usa-coronavirus-cases.html …"

    Which doesn't express any emotion - not happy for sure. It's just a commentary.

    Now, conservative commentators on the other hand opted to read whatever they felt into it as an attack.

    Yes, true...  She was simply pointing out the discrepancy between what Trump promised and what the people of this country got.  But Trumpers are pretty thin skinned. 
    Nah, but we do sleep well at night knowing Hillary (and likely Biden) will never lead this country. And, seriously, senile Biden is the best candidate you could come up with after 3.5 years to prepare? Really? The guy who said China is nothing and is no competition for us? The guy who said he graduated in the top half of his law school class and was actually 76th out of 85. The guy who said he got a full scholarship and really only got a partial one? Got caught plagiarizing in 1988 and had to withdraw from the presidential race. Who inappropriately touches young girls and is now accused of sexual assault? Boy, you sure know how to pick 'em.
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  • Reply 63 of 91
    cornchipcornchip Posts: 1,954member
    apple ][ said:
    spice-boy said:
    apple ][ said:
    If this is behind schedule, then that clearly has to do with Foxconn. Foxconn still says that they remain committed even though it is behind schedule. 2032 which is mentioned in the article is 12 years away. Get some perspective.

    Trump has nothing to do with the actual operations or the building of the factory, obviously. He enabled the deal, it's up to Foxconn to do their part.

    Sorry libs, and to all those who like to mention his name in the comments. Trump will get re-elected again, despite the best efforts of the desperate leftist media, such as the Verge, who have been running nonstop anti-Trump propaganda for a long time now. Their hard work will all be futile.
    Sad, I'm a New Yorker, I know people personally that have done work for Trump and his family members they all got stiffed. We tried to warn you against voting for this lying used car salesman but you believed his lies, and bought his snake oil. Now we are all paying the price. A reality TV performer running or ruining our nation with the help of traitors like Moscow Mitch and the Evangelical nazis. 
    LOL.

    Paying the price for what? Things are going great, and I couldn't be more satisfied. 

    Yeh, 22,000 dead and 17 Million just filed for unemployment.   What's not to like? 
    Are we tired of winning yet?
    .07% of the population. Very scary. 
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  • Reply 64 of 91
    65026502 Posts: 382member
    hodar said:
    gatorguy said:
    normm said:
    apple ][ said:
    I remember Trump shutting down travel from China pretty early on, and some batshit insane dems and the garbage leftist media started attacking him claiming it was racist, while he was taking the appropriate actions. His ban on travel from Europe was also criticized. Trump has handled the current situation just fine, much better than the previous guy who came before him, who never bothered to replenish the nationwide stockpile of N95 masks, even though he was made aware of the shortage.
    Funny, I remember him doing nothing in December while ignoring his intelligence people's dire warnings, and then finally banning some travelers from China in late January, but it was too late, and there wasn't a complete ban or any testing of travelers.  And for weeks afterwards, entirely a PR effort with no one at the top making sure that any testing was going on.  It was almost zero.  And finally, with the worst outbreak in the world here, we're now spending trillions of dollars and expecting one or two hundred thousand deaths.  Meanwhile, South Korea, which had its first case the same day as us, did tens of thousands of tests a day right from the start and got the virus under control without shutting down their economy.
    ..and here's how the S.Koreans did it. .
    https://www.investec.com/en_gb/focus/coronavirus/how-south-korea-contained-covid-19-without-a-lockdown.html

    FWIW they had some unique advantages, and their best weapon is still social distancing assisted by testing/contact tracking to identify those specific areas to lock-down more securely. They've recently run up against a small resurgence of their own. 

    So can we now get back on topic, Foxconn scamming Wisconsin and others (IMO)?

    Japan, who have a huge population density, have high ACE2 receptors in their genome, have a high elderly population and also have a culture that has male smokers - currently ranks #27 in the world in infections, with just 7,370 infections and 173 deaths.  They are practically at ground zero.

    Why?  Well, unlike what Dr. Fuaci told Americans in February regarding masks (only wear them if you are sick); the Japanese have adopted a culture since SARS, of wearing masks in public.  They did EXACTLY the OPPOSITE of what our recognized expert told us, because even though a N95 mask filters 95% of 0.3 micron and larger particles, and the Coronoavirus measures in at 0.125 microns (half of what the mask can filter) - the virus is OBVIOUSLY not capable of floating in the air outside of a water particle.  If it were, Japan would be getting NAILED.  They are not, in fact, they are doing remarkably well.

    Reality is, masks work.  Japan and other countries are showing this.  Don't take my word for it, look at the Coronavirus tracking sites and see where Japan, Malaysia and Philippines fall in the list.  Culturally, they have adopted wearing face masks when flu season strikes - and it's paying BIG TIME dividends.

    Fauci later explained that ridiculous recommendation:   He knew we didn't even have enough masks for 1st responders and health care workers and he didn't want the general population competing with the hospitals for them.   And, we still don't  have enough.   Their remedy is to tell the people of the richest nation on earth to make their own -- while most every other country has them to spare.
    Hmm, I wonder why we don't have any masks.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/03/fact-check-did-obama-administration-deplete-n-95-mask-stockpile/5114319002/

    Our rating: True

    We rate this claim TRUE because it is supported by our research. There is no indication that the Obama administration took significant steps to replenish the supply of N95 masks in the Strategic National Stockpile after it was depleted from repeated crises. Calls for action came from experts at the time concerned for the country’s ability to respond to future serious pandemics. Such recommendations were, for whatever reason, not heeded.

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  • Reply 65 of 91
    65026502 Posts: 382member
    apple ][ said:
    spice-boy said:
    apple ][ said:
    If this is behind schedule, then that clearly has to do with Foxconn. Foxconn still says that they remain committed even though it is behind schedule. 2032 which is mentioned in the article is 12 years away. Get some perspective.

    Trump has nothing to do with the actual operations or the building of the factory, obviously. He enabled the deal, it's up to Foxconn to do their part.

    Sorry libs, and to all those who like to mention his name in the comments. Trump will get re-elected again, despite the best efforts of the desperate leftist media, such as the Verge, who have been running nonstop anti-Trump propaganda for a long time now. Their hard work will all be futile.
    Sad, I'm a New Yorker, I know people personally that have done work for Trump and his family members they all got stiffed. We tried to warn you against voting for this lying used car salesman but you believed his lies, and bought his snake oil. Now we are all paying the price. A reality TV performer running or ruining our nation with the help of traitors like Moscow Mitch and the Evangelical nazis. 
    LOL.

    Paying the price for what? Things are going great, and I couldn't be more satisfied. 

    Yeh, 22,000 dead and 17 Million just filed for unemployment.   What's not to like? 
    Are we tired of winning yet?
    It's a pandemic from china. Other countries are suffering far worse than we are.
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  • Reply 66 of 91
    normmnormm Posts: 653member
    cornchip said:
    Yeh, 22,000 dead and 17 Million just filed for unemployment.   What's not to like? 
    Are we tired of winning yet?
    .07% of the population. Very scary. 
    You sound like Trump, six weeks ago:

    Feb. 28: “I think it’s really going well. We did something very fortunate: we closed up to certain areas of the world very, very early — far earlier than we were supposed to. I took a lot of heat for doing it. It turned out to be the right move, and we only have 15 people and they are getting better, and hopefully they’re all better. 
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  • Reply 67 of 91
    normmnormm Posts: 653member
    6502 said:
    Yeh, 22,000 dead and 17 Million just filed for unemployment.   What's not to like? 
    Are we tired of winning yet?
    It's a pandemic from china. Other countries are suffering far worse than we are.
    Our death rate for hospitalized patients is 39%. We have at least a third of all the known cases in the world, and probably millions more that we don't know about.  A lot of people still aren't taking this seriously.  We're wasting trillions of dollars with the economy shut down, trying to get back to where we can try to control this.   Other countries, like South Korea, avoided all of this.  They have a total of 222 deaths as of today, and only 20 to 30 new cases a day, and never had to shut down their economy.  Some places have competent people in charge.
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  • Reply 68 of 91
    GeorgeBMacgeorgebmac Posts: 11,421member
    gatorguy said:
    6502 said:
    mknelson said:
    6502 said:
    Hillary literally tweeted how she's happy we're #1 in china virus deaths because it happened while Trump was president.
    Link to the tweet - the only one I've seen was "He did promise "America First." https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/26/health/usa-coronavirus-cases.html …"

    Which doesn't express any emotion - not happy for sure. It's just a commentary.

    Now, conservative commentators on the other hand opted to read whatever they felt into it as an attack.
    Clearly he promised to put American interests first when it comes to trade, jobs and international relations, not deaths due to a chinese virus. You and her are either being snarky or naive; my guess is the former.

    Why aren't you shouting MAGA! now?  As Trump does on a regular basis, rewriting history to make him look good?  The cult always buys it and isn't used to being challenged on the lies & corruption so they get all offended when it happens.  The trouble is that America is waking up to it.
    I wish. We go Democratic because we're not happy with the Republicans. Give Democrats rope and they hang themselves, then we go Republican again. Rinse and repeat. 
    We really and truly need to break the dishonest and selfishly motivated duopoly that's existed for too long.  Where's our Tom Kirkman?

    Yes, I agree that we do need to stop this rinse and repeat cycle.   And Trump may be the straw that broke that camel's back -- maybe.
    The trouble is that, for the past 2 decades, Republicans have gained control by fudging elections on the local level (gerrymandering, voter suppression, etc) and smearing the Democrat on the national level:    Stained dresses, Swiftboating, emails, etc -- when Republicans were more guilty of those offenses than the Democrat they were accusing.  

    While it will be awhile till the fudged local elections are fixed (our right wing Supreme Court seems to like them), a link in the national elections seems to have broken in its cycle of smear tactics:  formerly someone on the right would make up a claim (usually based on some half truth) and the right wing propaganda machine would pick it up and make it headline news, then the mainstream media would treat it as a legitimate issue.   And the Democrat would have to defend themselves while the Republicans kept them on the defensive.  The Clinton email saga is an example:   not only was it a minor issue blown out of proportion, but Republicans before her did the exact same thing, just as Republicans are doing the exact same thing now!   For Hillary it became a damaging issue but for Republicans doing it gets a shrug....

    Now though the mainstream media is questioning and challenging the smear tactics as well as challenging and exposing Republican corruption on their own.
    Plus, to a lesser degree, the moderates who have been ignored as a constituency are getting disgusted with the lies and corruption and are becoming less tolerant.

    So, Trump may have broken cycle with his over the top lies and corruption.   We will see.  But eventually, truth will win out over lies, propaganda and corruption.
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  • Reply 69 of 91
    GeorgeBMacgeorgebmac Posts: 11,421member
    gatorguy said:
    6502 said:
    apple ][ said:
    Fake innovation centers from a fake president. Designed to swing votes in the swing state. 
    He's very real and no matter how hard certain people who can't handle facts and reality insist, he's also the legitimate President, regardless if some people like it or not.

    No president who colludes with an enemy to get himself elected can be called legitimate -- especially one who most Americans voted against.
    The Mueller report and common sense disproved this. Trump won the election fair and square. The presidency is determined by the electoral college. Don't like that fine, get the law changed before the election. Campaigning would be very different and would only be done in CA, NY, TX, FL and a few other states.


    You can continue singing the Bill Barr / FauxNews lies if you want.  But most Americans prefer the the truth -- and an honest president.   That's probably why most American voted for Hillary.   They recognized how vile and corrupt Trump is.
    @GeorgeBMac , your comment on this is welcome:
    IMHO What's more telling is that Hillary Clinton was so disliked and untrusted that a candidate with Trump's iffy credentials and spotty business record could seriously compete. And he VERY seriously competed. What did that say about the Democratic candidate? Certainly not that voters considered Ms. Clinton honest and incorruptible.

    Please, PLEASE let a viable 3rd party or independent candidate emerge for an upcoming Presidential run sooner rather than later and if worthy win. Oh and bring along some fresh faces in Congress with no backdoor commitments. Break the duopoly where in practice there's only a very little line between the two parties. They can both be purchased and manipulated, what they say is very often half-truth or outright falsehood, and much of what they say and do is for selfish reasons. Less about love of country and more about how to take advantage of it.

    A 77-year old lifelong politician (50 years now as a candidate for some office) carrying questions about his current mental fitness for the job is the best the Democrats have to offer? A person who if successful will be the oldest President we've ever elected by almost a decade? Seriously, could you beg harder for the current President to be reelected? We can do better IMO. 

    Yes, the smear tactics Russians and Republicans used against Hillary were effective -- largely because the mainstream media piled on instead of challenging the propaganda and the propagandists spreading the bull.  

    As for a 3rd Party candidate:  that is exactly what the Russians and Republicans supported in 2016 with Bernie splitting the Democratic party enough to let Trump win:  They fostered enough discontent that enough Bernie Supporters sat out sulking to let Trump win.   And, that is exactly what they have been attempting to pull off again in 2020 - we will see if the BernieBros sit out the election again.

    But that 3rd party thing can swing the other way:  Ross Perot was the main reason why Clinton prevailed over Bush in 1992.
    And, even today, what would happen if, say a Romney ran as a third party?   It would strip enough votes from Trump to insure a Biden win.   Actually, that is exactly what Bloomberg should have done (but he has too integrity to pull that stunt).

    But, your last sentence falls right into the smear tactics Republicans have been so effective at:   You condemn Biden based on his age rather than any fundamental flaw.   In truth, he is in far better health than Trump.   But, the smear campaign will pick up those who are either gullible or simply want it to be true.
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  • Reply 70 of 91
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,723member
    gatorguy said:
    6502 said:
    apple ][ said:
    Fake innovation centers from a fake president. Designed to swing votes in the swing state. 
    He's very real and no matter how hard certain people who can't handle facts and reality insist, he's also the legitimate President, regardless if some people like it or not.

    No president who colludes with an enemy to get himself elected can be called legitimate -- especially one who most Americans voted against.
    The Mueller report and common sense disproved this. Trump won the election fair and square. The presidency is determined by the electoral college. Don't like that fine, get the law changed before the election. Campaigning would be very different and would only be done in CA, NY, TX, FL and a few other states.


    You can continue singing the Bill Barr / FauxNews lies if you want.  But most Americans prefer the the truth -- and an honest president.   That's probably why most American voted for Hillary.   They recognized how vile and corrupt Trump is.
    @GeorgeBMac , your comment on this is welcome:
    IMHO What's more telling is that Hillary Clinton was so disliked and untrusted that a candidate with Trump's iffy credentials and spotty business record could seriously compete. And he VERY seriously competed. What did that say about the Democratic candidate? Certainly not that voters considered Ms. Clinton honest and incorruptible.

    Please, PLEASE let a viable 3rd party or independent candidate emerge for an upcoming Presidential run sooner rather than later and if worthy win. Oh and bring along some fresh faces in Congress with no backdoor commitments. Break the duopoly where in practice there's only a very little line between the two parties. They can both be purchased and manipulated, what they say is very often half-truth or outright falsehood, and much of what they say and do is for selfish reasons. Less about love of country and more about how to take advantage of it.

    A 77-year old lifelong politician (50 years now as a candidate for some office) carrying questions about his current mental fitness for the job is the best the Democrats have to offer? A person who if successful will be the oldest President we've ever elected by almost a decade? Seriously, could you beg harder for the current President to be reelected? We can do better IMO. 



    But, your last sentence falls right into the smear tactics Republicans have been so effective at:   You condemn Biden based on his age rather than any fundamental flaw.   In truth, he is in far better health than Trump.   But, the smear campaign will pick up those who are either gullible or simply want it to be true.

    So you consider Biden to be the best the Democrats have to offer, and you have no niggling concerns about his mental fitness? 
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/12/its-fair-speculate-whether-biden-is-mentally-fit-be-president/
    and it's not a right-wing media outlet
    https://www.allsides.com/news-source/washington-post-media-bias

    This election will be a near-perfect example of why a two-party system controlled by big money and lifelong politicians has failed us. Two deeply flawed candidates (IMO) are the only choices, and people like you have no problem with that as long as "your side's deeply flawed candidate" wins. You'll accept anything as long as he/she has "Dem." at the end? IMO That's why a person as polarizing as Trump actually has a chance of winning in spite of everything. Instead of "anyone but Trump" it was anyone but another chicken-in-every-pot professional politician. Anything but accept any responsibilty huh?

    I think this discussion with you has reached its end. You simply aren't going to argue honestly, or consider anything other than "Democrats must win". Clinton lost because she was as deeply flawed as Trump even if you won't admit it. Don't blame it on "the commie's did it", accept your part in it for being so accepting of the candidates. Biden may lose for a similar reason. The better of two horrible candidates for President is not what we should be choosing from, and our Congress should not be a collection of professional legislators serving for decades.

    Have a nice day sir. 
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  • Reply 71 of 91
    GeorgeBMacgeorgebmac Posts: 11,421member
    gatorguy said:
    gatorguy said:
    6502 said:
    apple ][ said:
    Fake innovation centers from a fake president. Designed to swing votes in the swing state. 
    He's very real and no matter how hard certain people who can't handle facts and reality insist, he's also the legitimate President, regardless if some people like it or not.

    No president who colludes with an enemy to get himself elected can be called legitimate -- especially one who most Americans voted against.
    The Mueller report and common sense disproved this. Trump won the election fair and square. The presidency is determined by the electoral college. Don't like that fine, get the law changed before the election. Campaigning would be very different and would only be done in CA, NY, TX, FL and a few other states.


    You can continue singing the Bill Barr / FauxNews lies if you want.  But most Americans prefer the the truth -- and an honest president.   That's probably why most American voted for Hillary.   They recognized how vile and corrupt Trump is.
    @GeorgeBMac , your comment on this is welcome:
    IMHO What's more telling is that Hillary Clinton was so disliked and untrusted that a candidate with Trump's iffy credentials and spotty business record could seriously compete. And he VERY seriously competed. What did that say about the Democratic candidate? Certainly not that voters considered Ms. Clinton honest and incorruptible.

    Please, PLEASE let a viable 3rd party or independent candidate emerge for an upcoming Presidential run sooner rather than later and if worthy win. Oh and bring along some fresh faces in Congress with no backdoor commitments. Break the duopoly where in practice there's only a very little line between the two parties. They can both be purchased and manipulated, what they say is very often half-truth or outright falsehood, and much of what they say and do is for selfish reasons. Less about love of country and more about how to take advantage of it.

    A 77-year old lifelong politician (50 years now as a candidate for some office) carrying questions about his current mental fitness for the job is the best the Democrats have to offer? A person who if successful will be the oldest President we've ever elected by almost a decade? Seriously, could you beg harder for the current President to be reelected? We can do better IMO. 



    But, your last sentence falls right into the smear tactics Republicans have been so effective at:   You condemn Biden based on his age rather than any fundamental flaw.   In truth, he is in far better health than Trump.   But, the smear campaign will pick up those who are either gullible or simply want it to be true.

    So you consider Biden to be the best the Democrats have to offer, and you have no niggling concerns about his mental fitness? 
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/12/its-fair-speculate-whether-biden-is-mentally-fit-be-president/
    and it's not a right-wing media outlet
    https://www.allsides.com/news-source/washington-post-media-bias

    This election will be a near-perfect example of why a two-party system controlled by big money and lifelong politicians has failed us. Two deeply flawed candidates (IMO) are the only choices, and people like you have no problem with that as long as "your side's deeply flawed candidate" wins. You'll accept anything as long as he/she has "Dem." at the end? IMO That's why a person as polarizing as Trump actually has a chance of winning in spite of everything. Instead of "anyone but Trump" it was anyone but another chicken-in-every-pot professional politician. Anything but accept any responsibilty huh?

    I think this discussion with you has reached its end. You simply aren't going to argue honestly, or consider anything other than "Democrats must win". Clinton lost because she was as deeply flawed as Trump even if you won't admit it. Don't blame it on "the commie's did it", accept your part in it for being so accepting of the candidates. Biden may lose for a similar reason. The better of two horrible candidates for President is not what we should be choosing from, and our Congress should not be a collection of professional legislators serving for decades.

    Have a nice day sir. 

    Thanks for proving my point:   Republicans win by smearing the competition -- whether it be Mexicans, China or Democrats -- and the cult buys it every time.

    The GOP has fallen a very long way since it had anything constructive or positive to offer the American people.    The last was Reagan. 
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  • Reply 72 of 91
    65026502 Posts: 382member
    normm said:
    6502 said:
    Yeh, 22,000 dead and 17 Million just filed for unemployment.   What's not to like? 
    Are we tired of winning yet?
    It's a pandemic from china. Other countries are suffering far worse than we are.
    Our death rate for hospitalized patients is 39%. We have at least a third of all the known cases in the world, and probably millions more that we don't know about.  A lot of people still aren't taking this seriously.  We're wasting trillions of dollars with the economy shut down, trying to get back to where we can try to control this.   Other countries, like South Korea, avoided all of this.  They have a total of 222 deaths as of today, and only 20 to 30 new cases a day, and never had to shut down their economy.  Some places have competent people in charge.
    Those numbers are likely not accurate. Deaths have been reported due to china virus even though they were already in hospice and very near death before the outbreak. Hospitals get more federal money if they declare the death due to corona than other (actual) causes.
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  • Reply 73 of 91
    65026502 Posts: 382member
    gatorguy said:
    gatorguy said:
    6502 said:
    apple ][ said:
    Fake innovation centers from a fake president. Designed to swing votes in the swing state. 
    He's very real and no matter how hard certain people who can't handle facts and reality insist, he's also the legitimate President, regardless if some people like it or not.

    No president who colludes with an enemy to get himself elected can be called legitimate -- especially one who most Americans voted against.
    The Mueller report and common sense disproved this. Trump won the election fair and square. The presidency is determined by the electoral college. Don't like that fine, get the law changed before the election. Campaigning would be very different and would only be done in CA, NY, TX, FL and a few other states.


    You can continue singing the Bill Barr / FauxNews lies if you want.  But most Americans prefer the the truth -- and an honest president.   That's probably why most American voted for Hillary.   They recognized how vile and corrupt Trump is.
    @GeorgeBMac , your comment on this is welcome:
    IMHO What's more telling is that Hillary Clinton was so disliked and untrusted that a candidate with Trump's iffy credentials and spotty business record could seriously compete. And he VERY seriously competed. What did that say about the Democratic candidate? Certainly not that voters considered Ms. Clinton honest and incorruptible.

    Please, PLEASE let a viable 3rd party or independent candidate emerge for an upcoming Presidential run sooner rather than later and if worthy win. Oh and bring along some fresh faces in Congress with no backdoor commitments. Break the duopoly where in practice there's only a very little line between the two parties. They can both be purchased and manipulated, what they say is very often half-truth or outright falsehood, and much of what they say and do is for selfish reasons. Less about love of country and more about how to take advantage of it.

    A 77-year old lifelong politician (50 years now as a candidate for some office) carrying questions about his current mental fitness for the job is the best the Democrats have to offer? A person who if successful will be the oldest President we've ever elected by almost a decade? Seriously, could you beg harder for the current President to be reelected? We can do better IMO. 



    But, your last sentence falls right into the smear tactics Republicans have been so effective at:   You condemn Biden based on his age rather than any fundamental flaw.   In truth, he is in far better health than Trump.   But, the smear campaign will pick up those who are either gullible or simply want it to be true.

    So you consider Biden to be the best the Democrats have to offer, and you have no niggling concerns about his mental fitness? 
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/12/its-fair-speculate-whether-biden-is-mentally-fit-be-president/
    and it's not a right-wing media outlet
    https://www.allsides.com/news-source/washington-post-media-bias

    This election will be a near-perfect example of why a two-party system controlled by big money and lifelong politicians has failed us. Two deeply flawed candidates (IMO) are the only choices, and people like you have no problem with that as long as "your side's deeply flawed candidate" wins. You'll accept anything as long as he/she has "Dem." at the end? IMO That's why a person as polarizing as Trump actually has a chance of winning in spite of everything. Instead of "anyone but Trump" it was anyone but another chicken-in-every-pot professional politician. Anything but accept any responsibilty huh?

    I think this discussion with you has reached its end. You simply aren't going to argue honestly, or consider anything other than "Democrats must win". Clinton lost because she was as deeply flawed as Trump even if you won't admit it. Don't blame it on "the commie's did it", accept your part in it for being so accepting of the candidates. Biden may lose for a similar reason. The better of two horrible candidates for President is not what we should be choosing from, and our Congress should not be a collection of professional legislators serving for decades.

    Have a nice day sir. 

    Thanks for proving my point:   Republicans win by smearing the competition -- whether it be Mexicans, China or Democrats -- and the cult buys it every time.

    The GOP has fallen a very long way since it had anything constructive or positive to offer the American people.    The last was Reagan. 
    Amazing to me how much China owns the democratic party and how blind you are to their evil ways. You lost fair and square. No need to be a crybaby about it and blaming everyone but yourself.
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  • Reply 74 of 91
    GeorgeBMacgeorgebmac Posts: 11,421member
    6502 said:
    normm said:
    6502 said:
    Yeh, 22,000 dead and 17 Million just filed for unemployment.   What's not to like? 
    Are we tired of winning yet?
    It's a pandemic from china. Other countries are suffering far worse than we are.
    Our death rate for hospitalized patients is 39%. We have at least a third of all the known cases in the world, and probably millions more that we don't know about.  A lot of people still aren't taking this seriously.  We're wasting trillions of dollars with the economy shut down, trying to get back to where we can try to control this.   Other countries, like South Korea, avoided all of this.  They have a total of 222 deaths as of today, and only 20 to 30 new cases a day, and never had to shut down their economy.  Some places have competent people in charge.
    Those numbers are likely not accurate. Deaths have been reported due to china virus even though they were already in hospice and very near death before the outbreak. Hospitals get more federal money if they declare the death due to corona than other (actual) causes.

    That's become a familiar line for those defending Trump:  "Those numbers aren't accurate".   It's getting repetitive & boring.   You guys need a new excuse.   Try:  "My dog ate all the test kits and PPE".   Yeh, that'll do it.

    BTW:   Many states have never reported Corona deaths that occur in care facilities. 

    And to say hospitals are falsifying death certificates is beyond ludicrous.
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  • Reply 75 of 91
    GeorgeBMacgeorgebmac Posts: 11,421member
    6502 said:
    gatorguy said:
    gatorguy said:
    6502 said:
    apple ][ said:
    Fake innovation centers from a fake president. Designed to swing votes in the swing state. 
    He's very real and no matter how hard certain people who can't handle facts and reality insist, he's also the legitimate President, regardless if some people like it or not.

    No president who colludes with an enemy to get himself elected can be called legitimate -- especially one who most Americans voted against.
    The Mueller report and common sense disproved this. Trump won the election fair and square. The presidency is determined by the electoral college. Don't like that fine, get the law changed before the election. Campaigning would be very different and would only be done in CA, NY, TX, FL and a few other states.


    You can continue singing the Bill Barr / FauxNews lies if you want.  But most Americans prefer the the truth -- and an honest president.   That's probably why most American voted for Hillary.   They recognized how vile and corrupt Trump is.
    @GeorgeBMac , your comment on this is welcome:
    IMHO What's more telling is that Hillary Clinton was so disliked and untrusted that a candidate with Trump's iffy credentials and spotty business record could seriously compete. And he VERY seriously competed. What did that say about the Democratic candidate? Certainly not that voters considered Ms. Clinton honest and incorruptible.

    Please, PLEASE let a viable 3rd party or independent candidate emerge for an upcoming Presidential run sooner rather than later and if worthy win. Oh and bring along some fresh faces in Congress with no backdoor commitments. Break the duopoly where in practice there's only a very little line between the two parties. They can both be purchased and manipulated, what they say is very often half-truth or outright falsehood, and much of what they say and do is for selfish reasons. Less about love of country and more about how to take advantage of it.

    A 77-year old lifelong politician (50 years now as a candidate for some office) carrying questions about his current mental fitness for the job is the best the Democrats have to offer? A person who if successful will be the oldest President we've ever elected by almost a decade? Seriously, could you beg harder for the current President to be reelected? We can do better IMO. 



    But, your last sentence falls right into the smear tactics Republicans have been so effective at:   You condemn Biden based on his age rather than any fundamental flaw.   In truth, he is in far better health than Trump.   But, the smear campaign will pick up those who are either gullible or simply want it to be true.

    So you consider Biden to be the best the Democrats have to offer, and you have no niggling concerns about his mental fitness? 
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/12/its-fair-speculate-whether-biden-is-mentally-fit-be-president/
    and it's not a right-wing media outlet
    https://www.allsides.com/news-source/washington-post-media-bias

    This election will be a near-perfect example of why a two-party system controlled by big money and lifelong politicians has failed us. Two deeply flawed candidates (IMO) are the only choices, and people like you have no problem with that as long as "your side's deeply flawed candidate" wins. You'll accept anything as long as he/she has "Dem." at the end? IMO That's why a person as polarizing as Trump actually has a chance of winning in spite of everything. Instead of "anyone but Trump" it was anyone but another chicken-in-every-pot professional politician. Anything but accept any responsibilty huh?

    I think this discussion with you has reached its end. You simply aren't going to argue honestly, or consider anything other than "Democrats must win". Clinton lost because she was as deeply flawed as Trump even if you won't admit it. Don't blame it on "the commie's did it", accept your part in it for being so accepting of the candidates. Biden may lose for a similar reason. The better of two horrible candidates for President is not what we should be choosing from, and our Congress should not be a collection of professional legislators serving for decades.

    Have a nice day sir. 

    Thanks for proving my point:   Republicans win by smearing the competition -- whether it be Mexicans, China or Democrats -- and the cult buys it every time.

    The GOP has fallen a very long way since it had anything constructive or positive to offer the American people.    The last was Reagan. 
    Amazing to me how much China owns the democratic party and how blind you are to their evil ways. You lost fair and square. No need to be a crybaby about it and blaming everyone but yourself.

    China owns the Democratic Party?   That's beyond hilarious.  Not even FauxNews would try that nonsense.
    But Putin seems to pretty much own Donald.   Donnie needs him to help him cheat in the next election too.
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  • Reply 76 of 91
    65026502 Posts: 382member
    6502 said:
    normm said:
    6502 said:
    Yeh, 22,000 dead and 17 Million just filed for unemployment.   What's not to like? 
    Are we tired of winning yet?
    It's a pandemic from china. Other countries are suffering far worse than we are.
    Our death rate for hospitalized patients is 39%. We have at least a third of all the known cases in the world, and probably millions more that we don't know about.  A lot of people still aren't taking this seriously.  We're wasting trillions of dollars with the economy shut down, trying to get back to where we can try to control this.   Other countries, like South Korea, avoided all of this.  They have a total of 222 deaths as of today, and only 20 to 30 new cases a day, and never had to shut down their economy.  Some places have competent people in charge.
    Those numbers are likely not accurate. Deaths have been reported due to china virus even though they were already in hospice and very near death before the outbreak. Hospitals get more federal money if they declare the death due to corona than other (actual) causes.

    That's become a familiar line for those defending Trump:  "Those numbers aren't accurate".   It's getting repetitive & boring.   You guys need a new excuse.   Try:  "My dog ate all the test kits and PPE".   Yeh, that'll do it.

    BTW:   Many states have never reported Corona deaths that occur in care facilities. 

    And to say hospitals are falsifying death certificates is beyond ludicrous.
    From NPR. Probable victims who were not tested. Just a hunch, right?. I guess they are ludicrous, in your words.


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  • Reply 77 of 91
    65026502 Posts: 382member
    6502 said:
    gatorguy said:
    gatorguy said:
    6502 said:
    apple ][ said:
    Fake innovation centers from a fake president. Designed to swing votes in the swing state. 
    He's very real and no matter how hard certain people who can't handle facts and reality insist, he's also the legitimate President, regardless if some people like it or not.

    No president who colludes with an enemy to get himself elected can be called legitimate -- especially one who most Americans voted against.
    The Mueller report and common sense disproved this. Trump won the election fair and square. The presidency is determined by the electoral college. Don't like that fine, get the law changed before the election. Campaigning would be very different and would only be done in CA, NY, TX, FL and a few other states.


    You can continue singing the Bill Barr / FauxNews lies if you want.  But most Americans prefer the the truth -- and an honest president.   That's probably why most American voted for Hillary.   They recognized how vile and corrupt Trump is.
    @GeorgeBMac , your comment on this is welcome:
    IMHO What's more telling is that Hillary Clinton was so disliked and untrusted that a candidate with Trump's iffy credentials and spotty business record could seriously compete. And he VERY seriously competed. What did that say about the Democratic candidate? Certainly not that voters considered Ms. Clinton honest and incorruptible.

    Please, PLEASE let a viable 3rd party or independent candidate emerge for an upcoming Presidential run sooner rather than later and if worthy win. Oh and bring along some fresh faces in Congress with no backdoor commitments. Break the duopoly where in practice there's only a very little line between the two parties. They can both be purchased and manipulated, what they say is very often half-truth or outright falsehood, and much of what they say and do is for selfish reasons. Less about love of country and more about how to take advantage of it.

    A 77-year old lifelong politician (50 years now as a candidate for some office) carrying questions about his current mental fitness for the job is the best the Democrats have to offer? A person who if successful will be the oldest President we've ever elected by almost a decade? Seriously, could you beg harder for the current President to be reelected? We can do better IMO. 



    But, your last sentence falls right into the smear tactics Republicans have been so effective at:   You condemn Biden based on his age rather than any fundamental flaw.   In truth, he is in far better health than Trump.   But, the smear campaign will pick up those who are either gullible or simply want it to be true.

    So you consider Biden to be the best the Democrats have to offer, and you have no niggling concerns about his mental fitness? 
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/12/its-fair-speculate-whether-biden-is-mentally-fit-be-president/
    and it's not a right-wing media outlet
    https://www.allsides.com/news-source/washington-post-media-bias

    This election will be a near-perfect example of why a two-party system controlled by big money and lifelong politicians has failed us. Two deeply flawed candidates (IMO) are the only choices, and people like you have no problem with that as long as "your side's deeply flawed candidate" wins. You'll accept anything as long as he/she has "Dem." at the end? IMO That's why a person as polarizing as Trump actually has a chance of winning in spite of everything. Instead of "anyone but Trump" it was anyone but another chicken-in-every-pot professional politician. Anything but accept any responsibilty huh?

    I think this discussion with you has reached its end. You simply aren't going to argue honestly, or consider anything other than "Democrats must win". Clinton lost because she was as deeply flawed as Trump even if you won't admit it. Don't blame it on "the commie's did it", accept your part in it for being so accepting of the candidates. Biden may lose for a similar reason. The better of two horrible candidates for President is not what we should be choosing from, and our Congress should not be a collection of professional legislators serving for decades.

    Have a nice day sir. 

    Thanks for proving my point:   Republicans win by smearing the competition -- whether it be Mexicans, China or Democrats -- and the cult buys it every time.

    The GOP has fallen a very long way since it had anything constructive or positive to offer the American people.    The last was Reagan. 
    Amazing to me how much China owns the democratic party and how blind you are to their evil ways. You lost fair and square. No need to be a crybaby about it and blaming everyone but yourself.

    China owns the Democratic Party?   That's beyond hilarious.  Not even FauxNews would try that nonsense.
    But Putin seems to pretty much own Donald.   Donnie needs him to help him cheat in the next election too.
    The "report" is the from the Global Times, a CCP tabloid. This is a propaganda piece that CNN (an arm of the DNC) reported as news. The democratic party is so owned by china, frankly it is scary. Bill Clinton gives a $500k speech in Russia (with Putin's permission, of course) and Hillary sells them our uranium. But, yeah, sure, Putin own Trump. Same old same old with you guys. Xi will play Biden like a fiddle, if Biden even know where he is.


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  • Reply 78 of 91
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    6502 said:

    The Mueller report went over like a lead balloon, even the democrats were disappointed, and his testimony was a joke. If it were true, why didn't Obama, who was president at the time stop it? Trump wasn't in charge at the time.
    How was Obama supposed to act on the contents of a report that came out 3 years after he left office?

    And if he had acted then the Republicans would have been crying crocodile tears over election interference.
    6502 said:

    And, why was this not included in the impeachment hearings? Trump got impeached for Biden's crimes. Biden admitted to getting a Ukrainian prosecutor fired for investigating his son, who has made million in Ukraine and China
    He absolutely did not. He added his voice to an international chorus asking for a corrupt prosecutor to be removed, but he has never said it was anything to do with his son.
    GeorgeBMac
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  • Reply 79 of 91
    GeorgeBMacgeorgebmac Posts: 11,421member
    6502 said:
    6502 said:
    gatorguy said:
    gatorguy said:
    6502 said:
    apple ][ said:
    Fake innovation centers from a fake president. Designed to swing votes in the swing state. 
    He's very real and no matter how hard certain people who can't handle facts and reality insist, he's also the legitimate President, regardless if some people like it or not.

    No president who colludes with an enemy to get himself elected can be called legitimate -- especially one who most Americans voted against.
    The Mueller report and common sense disproved this. Trump won the election fair and square. The presidency is determined by the electoral college. Don't like that fine, get the law changed before the election. Campaigning would be very different and would only be done in CA, NY, TX, FL and a few other states.


    You can continue singing the Bill Barr / FauxNews lies if you want.  But most Americans prefer the the truth -- and an honest president.   That's probably why most American voted for Hillary.   They recognized how vile and corrupt Trump is.
    @GeorgeBMac , your comment on this is welcome:
    IMHO What's more telling is that Hillary Clinton was so disliked and untrusted that a candidate with Trump's iffy credentials and spotty business record could seriously compete. And he VERY seriously competed. What did that say about the Democratic candidate? Certainly not that voters considered Ms. Clinton honest and incorruptible.

    Please, PLEASE let a viable 3rd party or independent candidate emerge for an upcoming Presidential run sooner rather than later and if worthy win. Oh and bring along some fresh faces in Congress with no backdoor commitments. Break the duopoly where in practice there's only a very little line between the two parties. They can both be purchased and manipulated, what they say is very often half-truth or outright falsehood, and much of what they say and do is for selfish reasons. Less about love of country and more about how to take advantage of it.

    A 77-year old lifelong politician (50 years now as a candidate for some office) carrying questions about his current mental fitness for the job is the best the Democrats have to offer? A person who if successful will be the oldest President we've ever elected by almost a decade? Seriously, could you beg harder for the current President to be reelected? We can do better IMO. 



    But, your last sentence falls right into the smear tactics Republicans have been so effective at:   You condemn Biden based on his age rather than any fundamental flaw.   In truth, he is in far better health than Trump.   But, the smear campaign will pick up those who are either gullible or simply want it to be true.

    So you consider Biden to be the best the Democrats have to offer, and you have no niggling concerns about his mental fitness? 
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/12/its-fair-speculate-whether-biden-is-mentally-fit-be-president/
    and it's not a right-wing media outlet
    https://www.allsides.com/news-source/washington-post-media-bias

    This election will be a near-perfect example of why a two-party system controlled by big money and lifelong politicians has failed us. Two deeply flawed candidates (IMO) are the only choices, and people like you have no problem with that as long as "your side's deeply flawed candidate" wins. You'll accept anything as long as he/she has "Dem." at the end? IMO That's why a person as polarizing as Trump actually has a chance of winning in spite of everything. Instead of "anyone but Trump" it was anyone but another chicken-in-every-pot professional politician. Anything but accept any responsibilty huh?

    I think this discussion with you has reached its end. You simply aren't going to argue honestly, or consider anything other than "Democrats must win". Clinton lost because she was as deeply flawed as Trump even if you won't admit it. Don't blame it on "the commie's did it", accept your part in it for being so accepting of the candidates. Biden may lose for a similar reason. The better of two horrible candidates for President is not what we should be choosing from, and our Congress should not be a collection of professional legislators serving for decades.

    Have a nice day sir. 

    Thanks for proving my point:   Republicans win by smearing the competition -- whether it be Mexicans, China or Democrats -- and the cult buys it every time.

    The GOP has fallen a very long way since it had anything constructive or positive to offer the American people.    The last was Reagan. 
    Amazing to me how much China owns the democratic party and how blind you are to their evil ways. You lost fair and square. No need to be a crybaby about it and blaming everyone but yourself.

    China owns the Democratic Party?   That's beyond hilarious.  Not even FauxNews would try that nonsense.
    But Putin seems to pretty much own Donald.   Donnie needs him to help him cheat in the next election too.
    The "report" is the from the Global Times, a CCP tabloid. This is a propaganda piece that CNN (an arm of the DNC) reported as news. The democratic party is so owned by china, frankly it is scary. Bill Clinton gives a $500k speech in Russia (with Putin's permission, of course) and Hillary sells them our uranium. But, yeah, sure, Putin own Trump. Same old same old with you guys. Xi will play Biden like a fiddle, if Biden even know where he is.



    Did you mean any of that nonsense seriously?   I really hope not.  

    But, if so, I'm sure there will be lots more Russian Born Conspiracy Theories for you to regurgitate with Trump desperately trying to discredit Biden knowing that he faces an overwhelming loss in November -- and possible jail time afterwards.
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  • Reply 80 of 91
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,723member
    @GeorgeBMac ;
    Huh, that would raise a normal persons eyebrows...

    "The coronavirus outbreak, which began in the Chinese city of Wuhan in December last year, has spread to more than 180 countries and sickened close to 2 million people, including more than 80,000 in China (that they admit to). Yet according to the Chinese government, not a single serving member of the country's military has been infected."
    The link is a Chinese News site.

    Personally I'd guess the Chinese are simply lying but if they aren't it would certainly appear suspicious, perhaps a vaccine that's being kept secret.
    edited April 2020
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