Compared: Razer Blade Stealth 13 versus Apple's 13-inch MacBook Pro

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in Current Mac Hardware edited July 2020
Razer is known for making premium notebooks intended for gaming on the move, but which can also be used as a creative workstation. We compare Razer's Blade Stealth 13 against Apple's 2020 13-inch MacBook Pro to determine which is the better compact powerhouse.

MacBook Pro 13-inch and Razer Blade Stealth 13 (right)
MacBook Pro 13-inch and Razer Blade Stealth 13 (right)


Razer was the first of the two companies to come up with a new 13-inch notebook, with an updated Blade Stealth 13 announced in late April, roughly two weeks before Apple introduced the refreshed 13-inch MacBook Pro range. The update, itself a refresh of the upgrade made in early 2019, made changes to the GPU and processor selection.






There are a fair few similarities between the competing notebooks, such as promising high performance in a small and thin form, paired with a high-quality monitor and a long-lasting battery.

Of course, while Apple leans its promotion towards professional and creative usage, Razer goes for the gamer market, which makes sense considering its accessory heritage. Even so, the performance claims for gaming still makes the Razer notebook quite attractive to power users.

RGB Chroma keyboard on Razer Blade Stealth
RGB Chroma keyboard on Razer Blade Stealth


There are also a few bells and whistles that Razer throws in that Apple doesn't offer, such as RGB backlighting for the keyboard and a 4K touchscreen, but this comparison is more about the complete package.

Specifications

Razer Blade Stealth 1313-inch MacBook Pro (2020), Two Thunderbolt Ports13-inch MacBook Pro (2020), Four Thunderbolt Ports
Starting Price$1,299.99
$100 off at B&H
$1,299
Lowest 13" MacBook Pro prices
$1,799
Best deals on 10th Gen models
Dimensions (inches)0.60 x 11.99 x 8.270.61 x 11.97 x 8.360.61 x 11.97 x 8.36
Weight (pounds)3.1, 3.263.13.1
Processor10th-generation 1.3GHz quad-core Intel Core i7,
8th-generation 1.8GHz quad-core Intel Core i7
8th-generation 1.4GHz quad-core Intel Core i5
8th-generation 1.7GHz quad-core Intel Core i7
10th-generation 2.0GHz quad-core Intel Core i5
10th-generation 2.3GHz quad-core Intel Core i7
GraphicsIntel Iris Plus Graphics,
Nvidia GeForce MX150,
Nvidia GeForce GTX 1650,
Nvidia GeForce GTX 1650 Ti
Intel Iris Plus Graphics 645Intel Iris Plus Graphics
RAM16GB8GB or 16GB16GB or 32GB
NetworkingWi-Fi 6
Bluetooth 5.1
802.11ac Wi-Fi
Bluetooth 5.0
802.11ac Wi-Fi
Bluetooth 5.0
Storage256GB or 512GB512GB, 1TB or 2TB512GB, 1TB, 2TB or 4TB
Display13.3-inch 1920x1080 Matte, 120Hz option,
13.3-inch 3840x2160 touchscreen
13.3-inch 2560x1600 LCD with IPS
13.3-inch 2560x1600 LCD with IPS
PortsThunderbolt 3
USB-C 3.1 Gen 2
Two USB 3.1 Type-A ports
3.5mm headphone jack
Two Thunderbolt 3 ports
3.5mm headphone jack
Four Thunderbolt 3 ports
3.5mm headphone jack
BiometricsWindows HelloTouch IDTouch ID
Touch BarNoYesYes
Battery53.1Wh, Up to 11 hours of usage58.2Wh, Up to 10 hours of web browsing58.0Wh, Up to 10 hours of web browsing

Razer Blade Stealth 13 vs 13-inch MacBook Pro - Displays

The most obvious starting point of comparison for the two product lines is the display. Both Apple and Razer equip their respective notebooks with a 13.3-inch screen, but that's where the similarities end.

Apple is continuing to use a 13.3-inch LED-backlit IPS display, one that offers a 2,560-by-1,600 resolution along with wide color P3 support, True Tone, and 500 nits of brightness. It is a well-tested and sufficient monitor for the vast majority of its users.

Razer Blade Stealth 13 4K UHD display
Razer Blade Stealth 13 4K UHD display


For the Blade Stealth 13, there are two monitors available as part of a configuration.

The lower-tier screen is a 13.3-inch panel, including a variant with a 120Hz refresh rate, declared the world's fastest 13.3-inch version and one that can help make text easier to read and produce crisp gameplay visuals. Using a 1,920-by-1,080 resolution, the screen is not as good as the one used in the MacBook Pro in terms of how much it can display at once, but it does have a matte coating for improved glare reduction and covers 100% of the sRGB space.

The higher-tier variant is the same size, but instead is a 4K panel offering a resolution of 3,840 by 2,160. With the same 100% sRGB coverage, the screen is also touch-enabled, giving an alternative to trackpad or mouse inputs.

For this generation, Razer has updated the design of the screens to have a very slim bezel measuring 4.9mm, regardless of the resolution. However, this measurement only really applies on the sides, as the top bezel is slightly thicker to house a webcam, and there's a large section of blank space below the display.

MacBook Pro's Retina display
MacBook Pro's Retina display


There is no clear winner on this front, as the MacBook Pro's display sits between the two Blade options in terms of resolution. Razer may win for its 4K touchscreen, but the full HD lower-resolution option on the cheaper end of the range is a little bit of a letdown.

Razer Blade Stealth 13 vs 13-inch MacBook Pro - Size and Weight

As is to be expected, there is very little in it when you compare the physicality of the notebooks. For a start, the 13-inch MacBook Pro is 0.61 inches thick, while the Blade is barely any thinner at 0.60 inches.

The general footprint is also quite similar, with Razer going for a marginally longer design at 11.99 inches versus 11.97 inches for Apple, and narrower at 8.27 inches to 8.36 inches. Given that we have to go down to hundredths-of-an-inch differences in length, width, and thickness, this is all quite negligible.

Razer Blade Stealth 13 is very similar in size to the 13-inch MacBook Pro
Razer Blade Stealth 13 is very similar in size to the 13-inch MacBook Pro


It is a familiar story for weight, as they are all 3.1 pounds apiece, at least for the Full HD version of the Blade Stealth 13. Anyone upgrading to the 4K touchscreen will see their notebook gain weight to a still-manageable 3.26 pounds.

However you cut it, there's barely any real-world difference in the physical properties. Sure, the 4K Razer is a tiny bit heavier, but otherwise it's very toe-to-toe.

Razer Blade Stealth 13 vs 13-inch MacBook Pro - Processors and Memory

When Apple launched its updated 13-inch MacBook Pro, the big story surrounding it was how it made upgrades to the processor lineup for its upper-tier configurations, while keeping its lower-tier models on older processor generations.

The upper-level versions use 10th-generation quad-core Intel Core i5-1038NG7 2.0Ghz and Core i7-1068NG7 2.3GHz processors, with respective Turbo Boost speeds of 3.8Ghz and 4.1GHz. On the lower end are the 8th-generation quad-core Intel Core i5-8257U 1.4Ghz and Core i7-8557U 1.7GHz processors, with boosted clock speeds of 3.9GHz and 4.5GHz.

Though the clock speeds may suggest the chips involved are somewhat comparable, the generational difference between the two sets also equates to a performance difference, both in processing and in power consumption. Generally speaking, the later-generation chips are going to offer better performance than equivalents for older generations.

The generational divide also extends to memory, with the 8th-generation paired with 2,133MHz LPDDR3 memory that starts at 8GB and can be upgraded to 16GB. The 10th-generation models instead have 16GB of 3,733MHz LPDDR4X memory, with possible configuration upgrades to 32GB.

Unusually, while Apple's rivals typically offer more variety in their processors and memory, Razer does not. The Blade Stealth 13 has the same tenth-generation Core i7-1065G7 processor, clocked at 1.3GHz with a 3.9GHz Turbo Boost, and 16 gigabytes of 3,733MHz LPDDR4X memory with no option to add more.

Geekbench results for the comperable 2.0GHz quad-core i5 MacBook Pro and the 1.3GHz quad-core i7 Razer Blade Stealth
Geekbench results for the comperable 2.0GHz quad-core i5 MacBook Pro and the 1.3GHz quad-core i7 Razer Blade Stealth


The exception is for one model that has an 8th-generation Intel Core i7-8565U, a quad-core chip with base and boosted clocks of 1.8GHz and 4.6GHz. Outside of one specific configuration, there is no option to acquire this older processor.

Razer's main processor choice sits somewhere between the two higher-tier MacBook Pro chips for its peak performance. Its main benefit is its 1.3GHz clock speed when unboosted, which can help reduce power consumption when performance isn't needed.

When we ran the latest Geekbench benchmarks on the two most similar machines -- the 2.0GHz quad-core i5 MacBook Pro and the 1.3GHz quad-core i7 Razer Blade Stealth -- the Razer won out in terms of single-core, getting 1292 to Apple's 1162 but lost handily in the multi-core. The Razer Balde Stealth only scored a 3391 compared to the MacBook Pro's 4344.

An additional benefit is thermal, as Apple's choices have a TDP of 28 watts. Normally, Razer's processor has a default TDP of 15 watts, but it went with the higher 25-watt configuration which allows for longer sustained boosted clock speeds.

Neither the processor nor RAM are replaceable in any of the notebooks in this comparison. In all cases, whatever the customer orders at the start is what they have to live with until they replace the notebook with a newer model.

Razer Blade Stealth 13 vs 13-inch MacBook Pro - Graphics

Depending on the processor used, the 13-inch MacBook Pro has either Intel Iris Plus Graphics 645, or on the higher-tier version, Intel Iris Plus Graphics. These are integrated graphics options, which do not use a separate discrete GPU.

The Razer Blade Stealth 13 display is offered in Full HD and 4K touch-enabled varieties.
The Razer Blade Stealth 13 display is offered in Full HD and 4K touch-enabled varieties.


On the Razer side, the base configuration has the same Intel Iris Plus Graphics as Apple's 10th-generation variants. However, Razer also provides a selection of discrete graphics options, which stand to offer better performance.

The lowest discrete GPU selection is the Nvidia GeForce MX150, a holdover from the previous version, while at the top end are the GeForce GTX 1650 and the GeForce GTX 1650 Ti. That last option has 4GB of GDDR6 VRAM and Nvidia's Max-Q Design, and is equipped with 1,024 Nvidia Cuda Cores which can be employed in some applications like video editing and graphic design.

A search of PassMark's GPU benchmark results list indicates Intel Iris Plus Graphics GPUs have a G3D Mark score of 1,843 and G2D Mark score of 310. Nvidia's lowest discrete GPU option, the MX150, easily beats that on G3D mark with 2,370, but dips behind on G2D with 226 points.

On the GeForce GTX 1650, the mobile Max-Q Design version of the GPU performs considerably better at 5,951 and 295 for G3D and G2D respectively. Lastly and oddly, the Ti version offers scores of 5,336 and 253 on the benchmark list, slightly below but within the same ballpark of the non-Ti.

Even with the score oddity, it is fairly obvious that the discrete GPU versions of Razer's notebooks can do far better graphics-wise, and at least equate the MacBook Pro at the low end.

Razer Blade Stealth 13 vs 13-inch MacBook Pro - Connectivity

Wireless connectivity on the 13-inch MacBook Pro is robust, with 802.11ac Wi-Fi and Bluetooth 5.0 supported, but Razer edges it out with Bluetooth 5.1 and Wi-Fi 6, otherwise known as 802.11ax. At least on the wireless front, Razer takes the lead.

For ports, Apple has either two or four Thunderbolt 3 ports, depending on the tier of MacBook Pro, and the ubiquitous headphone jack. The Blade Stealth 13 instead has one Thunderbolt 3 port, one USB-C port, two traditional USB 3.1 Type-A ports, and again the headphone jack.

It seems likely that Razer considered its users to still need the older-style USB connections, partly to save from having to use dongles or adapters as with the MacBook Pro. Though this may seem to be helping users, it does mean the MacBook Pro offers connections with a higher data throughput collectively, as well as being somewhat more future-proofed.

Razer Blade Stealth 13 vs 13-inch MacBook Pro - Other Specifications

Storage options on the MacBook Pro are more wide-ranging at the time of configuration, with models starting with either 256GB, 512GB, or 1TB SSDs, and with upgrades to up to 2TB or 4TB available depending on the model. Razer provides 256GB for the integrated-only GPU and MX150, or 512GB on the GTX GPUs.

While Razer doesn't have the range of storage capacities that Apple offers, the Blade Stealth 13 is however able to be upgraded with replacement storage, via an M.2 slot. Aside from storage, there are no other after-sale upgrade options on any of the compared notebooks.

Both the 13-inch MacBook Pro and the Razer Blade Stealth 13 have backlit keyboards, but Razer opts to include customizable RGB lighting.
Both the 13-inch MacBook Pro and the Razer Blade Stealth 13 have backlit keyboards, but Razer opts to include customizable RGB lighting.


Apple includes the higher-capacity battery at 58.2-watt-hours against 53.1-watt-hours. The MacBook Pro offers up to 10 hours of battery life for web browsing, while Razer claims between 8 hours and 11 hours, depending on the model.

Razer has a better charging situation by including a 100-watt USB-C power adapter compared with Apple's 61-watt version, in part due to it being able to recharge its battery at a faster rate, as well as seeing less degradation of the recharging time when it is in active use. It would also be more useful as a USB-C charger for other hardware, as the 100 watts will let it support devices that can reach that level, unlike Apple's lower-wattage version.

The MacBook Pro benefits from Touch ID for biometric security, while the Blade Stealth 13 uses Windows Hello, though the webcam includes a built-in IR sensor to assist with the function. Both Apple and Razer use 720p webcams.

The Magic Keyboard on the MacBook Pro is backlit, but the Blade Stealth 13 goes further in offering full RGB backlighting to 16.8 million colors, which can be set to change in a variety of different patterns.

Apple includes stereo speakers with Dolby Atmos support in the 13-inch MacBook Pro, and a three-mic array with directional beamforming. Razer includes four upward-firing stereo speakers, a smart amplifier, Dolby Atmos support, and an array microphone.

Razer Blade Stealth 13 vs 13-inch MacBook Pro - Pricing

There are quite a few more options for customers to be concerned about if they were to acquire a MacBook Pro. Apple starts with four base model configurations, with each able to be upgraded with better components.

The lower-tier models start with the $1,299 option, with the 8th-generation Core i5, 256GB SSD, and 8GB of RAM, while $1,499 simply makes the storage 512GB in capacity. Upgrading to the 8th-generation Core i7 is $300 extra, while 16GB of RAM is $200.

The 10th-generation processor models start at $1,799 with the Core i5, 16GB of memory and a 512GB SSD, while $1,999 brings you up to 1 terabyte. Switching to the Core i7 processor is $200 more, and it's $400 to get to 32GB of memory.

Razer offers a few color variations, including black, white, and 'Quartz Pink'
Razer offers a few color variations, including black, white, and 'Quartz Pink'


On the Razer side, the difference in model largely depends on the graphics card, and with very few permutations available.

The lowest model has integrated graphics, the Full HD screen, a 256GB SSD, and a Mercury White paint job for $1,299.99. Opting for the GeForce MX150 costs the same amount of money, but uses the older 8th-gen Core i7 and is finished in Quartz Pink.

At $1,399.99, the GeForce GTX 1650 model is in black and has a 512GB SSD along with a Full HD screen, though going for the 4K Touch version brings it up to $1,799.99.

Lastly, the GeForce GTX 1650 Ti model has 512GB of storage and either the Full HD 120Hz screen for $1,799.99, or the 4K Touch alternative for $1,999.99.

Considering that most of the Razer notebooks have discrete graphics, this does suggest that the Blade Stealth 13 range is quite competitively priced when put against the 13-inch MacBook Pro with similar memory and storage options.

Performance is Almost Everything

When Apple introduced the new 13-inch MacBook Pro models, the versions with the 10th-generation Intel processors provided the product line with a hefty upgrade in terms of performance. It is quite evident that just on the processor, the Blade Stealth 13 range can certainly hold its own against those upper models, at least with comparable amounts of RAM.

Razer Blade Stealth and MacBook Pro
Razer Blade Stealth and MacBook Pro


At least this is true in terms of raw processing power. By simply adding options for discrete graphics, Razer immediately adds more value to its lineup due to the potential additional performance it can bring to the table.

Apple does claw back some points for giving more options, as even the most hardcore gamer may find the 512GB SSD a bit limiting on the Blade. Even so, the Blade is at least able to be upgraded with more storage, so while Apple does offer more storage choice from the outset, you're stuck with it whereas you aren't with Razer's notebook.

There's also the extra small things the Blade has, such as the higher 4K display with touch capabilities, as well as the more colorful backlighting that may make it more visually appealing to a certain audience.

Of course, there's the dependency on having to use Windows if you go for the Blade, an operating system that could be run alongside macOS, a considerable benefit for the MacBook Pro that Razer just doesn't have.

Razer's Blade Stealth 13 certainly stands up against Apple's 13-inch MacBook Pro, but though there are some areas where it's found a little lacking, it sure makes up for it with the discrete graphics and comparable pricing.

Short of acquiring an external GPU enclosure, you're probably not going to see the same performance on the 13-inch MacBook Pro as the Blade Stealth 13 until Apple's next revision.

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  • Reply 1 of 39
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 10,557member
    So ,other than only running Windows, the Razer Blade Stealth is vastly superior to the MacBook Pro.
    MisterKitboboliciouscornchipapplguy
  • Reply 2 of 39
    macxpressmacxpress Posts: 5,808member
    Remember too Razer is a gaming laptop and the MacBook Pro obviously isn't. Kinda comparing apples to oranges IMO. 2 different laptops for 2 different purposes. No business or true professional is going to buy a Razer laptop to do their work on.
    dewmecornchipkpomwatto_cobra
  • Reply 3 of 39
    boboliciousbobolicious Posts: 1,146member
    macxpress said:
    Remember too Razer is a gaming laptop and the MacBook Pro obviously isn't. Kinda comparing apples to oranges IMO. 2 different laptops for 2 different purposes. No business or true professional is going to buy a Razer laptop to do their work on.
    What? Why?

    If 'pro' software needs or benefits from a GPU then is the MacBook even an option...? One has choice with Razer... All the Mac thinness and choice is limited to fiddle with and lug an eGPU? I simply don't understand so many of the computer hardware design decisions coming from Apple since 2011.  Do the larger Razer models compare even more favourably with the equivalent MacBook Pros in review... ?

    elijahg
  • Reply 4 of 39
    Mike WuertheleMike Wuerthele Posts: 6,861administrator
    macxpress said:
    Remember too Razer is a gaming laptop and the MacBook Pro obviously isn't. Kinda comparing apples to oranges IMO. 2 different laptops for 2 different purposes. No business or true professional is going to buy a Razer laptop to do their work on.
    How does the external design of the Razer say "gaming laptop?"

    This is also stunningly similar to other arguments about Apple products. "Nobody buys an iPad to get work done" and if you want to go back further "Nobody buys Macs for business, look at those colors."
    edited June 2020 fastasleepcornchip[Deleted User]
  • Reply 5 of 39
    thttht Posts: 5,450member
    Both Apple and Razer equip their respective notebooks with a 13.3-inch screen, but that's where the similarities end.
    Pet peeve. As relayed with the resolutions later, they really don't have similar 13.3" displays. Just as important as the resolution details, the aspect ratios matter. The Blade Stealth has a 16:9 display while the MBP has a 16:10 display. The MBP13 has a 5% larger display than the BS13. For the minutia minded, the iPad Pro 12.9 is larger than both these displays even though its diagonal dimension starts with a 12 instead of a 13. Well, probably the same as the MBP 13.3" display due to the rounded corners.

    Razer offers a few color variations, including black, white, and 'Quartz Pink'
    The configurator seems to say that the pink model is only for the Core i7-8565U, MX150 model. White is for the base model without a dGPU. Black is for the GTX dGPU models. So, the colors are basically locked to the GPU you want.

    Unless there is something I missed with their configurator? It is an unusual configurator, so definitely possible to miss something.
    kpomwatto_cobra
  • Reply 6 of 39
    mrochestermrochester Posts: 700member
    I’ve always loved the look of the Razer Blade series but there’s absolutely no way I’d buy a laptop with a 16:9 display. 
    kpomwatto_cobradewme
  • Reply 7 of 39
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,213member
    macxpress said:
    Remember too Razer is a gaming laptop and the MacBook Pro obviously isn't. Kinda comparing apples to oranges IMO. 2 different laptops for 2 different purposes. No business or true professional is going to buy a Razer laptop to do their work on.
    We've begun using gaming machines (Alienware) as our graphic design and imaging/RIP computers. They make wonderful photo processing stations too. At home I use an Alienware Aurora Ryzen 7 (R10) very nicely spec'd for professional photo processing.  Gaming computers aren't just great for gaming. 
    edited June 2020 beowulfschmidtITGUYINSDelijahg
  • Reply 8 of 39
    thttht Posts: 5,450member
    lkrupp said:
    So ,other than only running Windows, the Razer Blade Stealth is vastly superior to the MacBook Pro.
    Like with everything, the buffet of choices are complicated. The Blade Stealth 13 runs the i7-1065G7 at a cTDP-up of 25W. That's 1.5 GHz base and no change to the 3.8 GHz turbo. The i5-1038NG7 in the bottom 4 TB3 port MBP13 SKU is 2 GHz base and 3.8 GHz turbo. That base clock difference is not trivial. The top tier i7-1068NG7 is 2.3 GHz, 4.1 GHz turbo.

    Then, the Blade Stealth 13 has a fixed RAM amount of 16 GB. Interesting decision. Maybe it was to make room for the dGPUs? The MBP13 can go to 32 GB. Also, I'm unclear regarding the M.2 SSD storage. It is not configurable in the configurator. So, if a user wants more, they will have to replace it, or is there an empty M.2 slot?

    watto_cobra
  • Reply 9 of 39
    Eric_WVGGEric_WVGG Posts: 968member
    macxpress said:
    Remember too Razer is a gaming laptop and the MacBook Pro obviously isn't. Kinda comparing apples to oranges IMO. 2 different laptops for 2 different purposes. No business or true professional is going to buy a Razer laptop to do their work on.
    You know professional game developers exist, right? And it's an industry that's bigger than Holywood? I've also met architects and CAD engineers who prefer Razer laptops for their nVidia GPUs.

    These laptops absolutely stomp on the 13" MBP, but that's nothing new, they've always been worst-of-both-worlds models. I'll take a souped up Air, or a 16 with a real GPU any day. 
    edited June 2020
  • Reply 10 of 39
    netroxnetrox Posts: 1,422member
    Nice laptop but I am more focused on more RAM/CPU than GPU for heavy duty programming. 

    This LG Gram 17" literally blows my mind away - it's a laptop with 17" and the weight is remarkably light for its size. The weight definitely got my attention. 

    https://www.lg.com/us/laptops/lg-17z90n-r.aas9u1-ultra-slim-laptop

    It lasts up to 17 hours, is only under 3 pounds, and has big screen. The build feels interesting. It is plastic but it does have a real premium feel. It is claimed to passed seven military-grade tests for durability. It's just a sweet spot. Problem is it doesn't run MacOS. 

    It would be so amazing if Apple can bring that to MacBooks. 

  • Reply 11 of 39
    I think it's funny that the desktop/laptop comparison articles always treat benchmark differences as being noticeable when using software, but not the mobile comparison articles. In mobile, where Apple always drubs the competition for CPU/GPU benchmarks, the hardware comparisons usually say something along the lines of "most users won't notice a difference in daily use". 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 12 of 39
    Mike WuertheleMike Wuerthele Posts: 6,861administrator
    I think it's funny that the desktop/laptop comparison articles always treat benchmark differences as being noticeable when using software, but not the mobile comparison articles. In mobile, where Apple always drubs the competition for CPU/GPU benchmarks, the hardware comparisons usually say something along the lines of "most users won't notice a difference in daily use". 
    The workflows and relative sensitivities to performance differences between the general platforms vary. Desktop/laptop users generally more focused on production than consumption, and differences in performance are felt and experienced more readily.

    We haven't been shy about calling the iPhone and iPad the fastest mobile devices that exist.
    edited June 2020 watto_cobra
  • Reply 13 of 39
    Mike Wuerthele said: Desktop/laptop users generally more focused on production than consumption, and differences in performance are felt and experienced more readily.
    Then again, desktops/laptops are more likely to be running legacy professional software that is not only lagging behind the power/efficiency of the OS, but far behind the power/efficiency of the hardware. I can see an argument for gaming differences being noticeable, but not for legacy apps. Games typically are expected to push the envelope every year, while most legacy apps aren't changing that much. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 14 of 39
    Mike WuertheleMike Wuerthele Posts: 6,861administrator
    Mike Wuerthele said: Desktop/laptop users generally more focused on production than consumption, and differences in performance are felt and experienced more readily.
    Then again, desktops/laptops are more likely to be running legacy professional software that is not only lagging behind the power/efficiency of the OS, but far behind the power/efficiency of the hardware. I can see an argument for gaming differences being noticeable, but not for legacy apps. Games typically are expected to push the envelope every year, while most legacy apps aren't changing that much. 
    While I understand where you're coming from, legacy apps are called legacy for a reason, and aren't primary use cases.

    Like we've always said, workflows are everything when you consider hardware.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 15 of 39
    chasmchasm Posts: 3,304member
    I feel like this offering from the Windows word is a well-matched comparison to the MBP 13 in terms of hardware. In some areas clear hardware advantages exist for the Razor (though I personally consider the port variety to be of extremely minor significance), such as the ability for discreet graphics cards without going to the eGPU -- though of course those options don't come free either. The Razor is also more future-proofed (slightly) on BT, stock RAM and Wi-Fi, but it really falls down on internal storage options, and of course the MBP can run both OS choices in a variety of ways, whereas the Razor is limited to Windows 10 (which, as a user of both, I feel is arguably inferior in most user-facing aspects).

    Putting aside the OS options, though, it's clear that the subset of users who are buying either machine primarily to make a living will be very unlikely to go with the base model. Maxing out (including an eGPU) for the MBP and maxing out (without an eGPU) for the Razor and comparing cost/scores might be interesting, but as always -- and as Mike already noted -- specific workflows/use cases are a factor, software is a factor, integration of services is a factor, and there are other aspects in both ecosystems that make or break the deal. As a hardware-only comparison, I thought this one was clinical (in the good sense), candid, and an interesting read even for people who aren't considering Windows machines at all. It's good to keep up with what else is out there.
    kpomwatto_cobraCloudTalkinroundaboutnow
  • Reply 16 of 39
    thttht Posts: 5,450member
    netrox said:
    Nice laptop but I am more focused on more RAM/CPU than GPU for heavy duty programming. 

    This LG Gram 17" literally blows my mind away - it's a laptop with 17" and the weight is remarkably light for its size. The weight definitely got my attention. 

    https://www.lg.com/us/laptops/lg-17z90n-r.aas9u1-ultra-slim-laptop

    It lasts up to 17 hours, is only under 3 pounds, and has big screen. The build feels interesting. It is plastic but it does have a real premium feel. It is claimed to passed seven military-grade tests for durability. It's just a sweet spot. Problem is it doesn't run MacOS. 

    It would be so amazing if Apple can bring that to MacBooks. 
    It's a great transportable as it were. Nice for the desk bound. It heralds the future in terms of display size to weight as I think laptops will be getting lighter at every display size for the mass market. However, I'm immediately turned off by the trackpad and keyboard positioning in the Gram 17. I rest my palms when typing and that track positioning looks really really bad for me. A bit too far to the right relative to the keyboard, even over the 4th gen MBP's huge trackpads. And of course, my OCD about lack of visual symmetry with the keyboard and trackpad, ugh.

    A bit doubtful about the 17 hrs though in typical usage. It's an 80 WHr battery driving a 17" display. The MBP13 has a 58 WHr battery driving a 13.3" display. That's a 63% increase in display area for a 38% increase in battery size, and Apple quotes like 10 hrs with their battery testing. Not the same workload, but it implies LG is using a very light benchmark with a lower brightness display setting.

    For comparison, The MBP16 has a 16" display and a 99 WHr battery, and Apple quotes 11 hours on their workload for battery runtimes. Bigger battery and smaller display than the Gram 17, yet much less runtime? The skepticism meter should be spiking with that 17 hours, and the LG Gram 17 probably is on order 9 to 10 hours on Apple's workload.
    dewmejdb8167watto_cobra
  • Reply 17 of 39
    darkvaderdarkvader Posts: 1,146member
    lkrupp said:
    So ,other than only running Windows, the Razer Blade Stealth is vastly superior to the MacBook Pro.


    Honestly, I don't understand why anybody would want one, though.  If you're going to get a generic laptop, there are FAR better options than having to be limited to the thin crap that we've had to put up with from Apple. 

    Interchangeable batteries still exist.  Blu-Ray drives exist.  Replaceable NVMe SSDs exist, as do actual hard drive bays.  Upgradeable RAM exists. 

    Apple has ONE and ONLY ONE thing going for their laptop hardware at this point - they still have the best trackpads in existence. 

    And if MacOS ever abandons the i64 platform, I'm done.  Windoze sucks.  But I'm not doing another f***ing processor transition.  An ARM Mac is a complete nonstarter for me, and for a whole lot of other people. 


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  • Reply 18 of 39
    thttht Posts: 5,450member
    darkvader said:
    lkrupp said:
    So ,other than only running Windows, the Razer Blade Stealth is vastly superior to the MacBook Pro.

    Honestly, I don't understand why anybody would want one, though.  If you're going to get a generic laptop, there are FAR better options than having to be limited to the thin crap that we've had to put up with from Apple. 

    Interchangeable batteries still exist.  Blu-Ray drives exist.  Replaceable NVMe SSDs exist, as do actual hard drive bays.  Upgradeable RAM exists. 

    Apple has ONE and ONLY ONE thing going for their laptop hardware at this point - they still have the best trackpads in existence. 

    And if MacOS ever abandons the i64 platform, I'm done.  Windoze sucks.  But I'm not doing another f***ing processor transition.  An ARM Mac is a complete nonstarter for me, and for a whole lot of other people.  
    Like has been said so many times before, most of Apple's customers don't care about user upgradeable components or opticals enough to buy something else.

    Apple offers great industrial design, great service, competitive performance, and maybe there is a better term for it, a less hassle free experience. People pay a premium for it. It's great that this Razer offers some nice mobile GPU options, but a rather large percentage of people don't play 3D games or don't play games at all on their computers, so it isn't a feature that sway them to buy something else.

    It is looking very likely that Apple is switching to ARM, there are a lot of other options for you to choose. Don't hate buy something. Just find something you like.
    watto_cobraroundaboutnow
  • Reply 19 of 39
    fastasleepfastasleep Posts: 6,418member
    macxpress said:
    Remember too Razer is a gaming laptop and the MacBook Pro obviously isn't. Kinda comparing apples to oranges IMO. 2 different laptops for 2 different purposes. No business or true professional is going to buy a Razer laptop to do their work on.
    You know graphics cards are for more than gaming, right?
    watto_cobraelijahg
  • Reply 20 of 39
    KITAKITA Posts: 393member
    bobolicious said:

    Do the larger Razer models compare even more favourably with the equivalent MacBook Pros in review... ?

    Yeah. It's not cheap, but the Razer Blade 15 Studio Edition is an absolute monster.

    4K OLED 100% DCI-P3
    10th gen Core i7 (8 cores / 5.1 GHz boost) 
    NVIDIA Quadro RTX 5000 16 GB GDDR6





    elijahg
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