Chip shortages affecting Qualcomm's ability to produce Android processors

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Qualcomm is reportedly struggling to meet demand for processor silicon used in Android devices as a global chip shortage spreads across the electronics industry.

Credit: Qualcomm
Credit: Qualcomm


Demand for Qualcomm chips have soared in 2021 as Android makers close in on market share left by Huawei in the wake of U.S. sanctions. However, Qualcomm is finding it hard to meet the demand, partly because of a shortage of subcomponents used in its application processors.

Because of that, Samsung is currently experiencing a shortage of Snapdragon chips, according to Reuters. That could impact production of mid- and low-end Samsung models, though another source said there was also supply concerns surrounding Qualcomm's new Snapdragon 888 processor.

A senior executive at a top contract manufacturer for several major smartphone brands told Reuters it is also facing shortages of critical components from Qualcomm, and could cut handset shipments in 2021.

The global processor shortage has been ongoing for several months. It first hit the automotive industry and has now spread to the consumer electronics market. In February, Xiaomi vice president Lu Weibing said that the situation is "not a shortage, it's an extreme shortage."

Back in February, President Joe Biden took steps to boost the U.S. manufacturing of silicon to strengthen the international supply chain and mitigate the global shortages.

For the most part, the supply situation is only affected Qualcomm's older processor technologies because it's currently directing resources toward newer silicon options. The shortage is also driving up the price of specific chip components.

At this point, Qualcomm's supply troubles will likely have little effect on Apple. Although the Cupertino tech giant uses Qualcomm modems in its iPhone lineup, it designs and develops its own A-series chips that are produced by third-party contract manufacturer TSMC.

Stay on top of the latest Apple news right from your HomePod. Say, "Hey, Siri, play AppleInsider," and you'll get latest AppleInsider Podcast. Or ask your HomePod mini for "AppleInsider Daily" instead and you'll hear a quick update direct from our news team. And, if you're interested in Apple-centric home automation, say "Hey, Siri, play HomeKit Insider," and you'll be listening to our newest specialized podcast in moments.
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  • Reply 1 of 56
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,328member
    Well thought out article by Ben Bajarin:

    https://techpinions.com/chip-shortages-and-foundry-monopolies/60497

    "This was always something Broadcom did well. I recall many conversations with their executives who were proud of the fact their chip design libraries were portable, and they could make them at whatever foundry they saw fit. Qualcomm is similarly executing a dual-source foundry strategy as they have versions of the same chipsets made at both TSMC and Samsung. 

    Companies that dual-source will be extremely well-positioned to weather a number of different storms that could come their way. From the geopolitical that I have outlined before, national economic issues, global catastrophes, etc. While this isn’t discussed as much publicly for obvious reasons, it is top of mind for many executives in the supply chain and those whose companies make products via semiconductor foundries."

    I remember when Apple used TSMC and Samsung for production of the same A9 SOC. The response from the tech community was to compare and contrast the versions. I can see why Apple will never do that again.

    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/10/samsung-vs-tsmc-comparing-the-battery-life-of-two-apple-a9s/

    "And that's just what some iPhone 6S and 6S Plus buyers have run into. Using an app that has since been pulled from the App Store, some users were able to determine which chip individual iPhones were using and found that the phones with Samsung chips had significantly lower battery life than the phones with TSMC chips in certain tests. The findings got enough attention that Apple offered a rare comment on the situation, claiming that the test being used wasn't representative of actual use and that in "real-world usage" the difference between iPhone models with any combination of components was no more than 2 to 3 percent."

    muthuk_vanalingamwatto_cobra
  • Reply 2 of 56
    blastdoorblastdoor Posts: 3,277member
    I suspect Apple is affected by the industry wide shortage in the sense that Apple probably cannot get more supply from TSMC than what they had previously reserved. The result might be that Apple delays new ASi Macs so that they can make more A14s rather than M chips. 

    In terms of geopolitical risk, dual sourcing doesn’t help that much — South Korea isn’t really in a good neighborhood either. Better to stay with TSMC but have TSMC build fabs in the US than split between TSMC fabs in Taiwan and Samsung in Korea. 

    Of course, the good news is that both TSMC and Samsung have plans to build in the US. It’s just that it takes a while to build a new fab.
  • Reply 3 of 56
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    Qualcomm is reportedly struggling to meet demand for processor silicon used in Android devices as a global chip shortage spreads across the electronics industry.

    Credit: Qualcomm
    Credit: Qualcomm


    Demand for Qualcomm chips have soared in 2021 as Android makers close in on market share left by Huawei in the wake of U.S. sanctions. However, Qualcomm is finding it hard to meet the demand, partly because of a shortage of subcomponents used in its application processors.

    Because of that, Samsung is currently experiencing a shortage of Snapdragon chips, according to Reuters. That could impact production of mid- and low-end Samsung models, though another source said there was also supply concerns surrounding Qualcomm's new Snapdragon 888 processor.

    A senior executive at a top contract manufacturer for several major smartphone brands told Reuters it is also facing shortages of critical components from Qualcomm, and could cut handset shipments in 2021.

    The global processor shortage has been ongoing for several months. It first hit the automotive industry and has now spread to the consumer electronics market. In February, Xiaomi vice president Lu Weibing said that the situation is "not a shortage, it's an extreme shortage."

    Back in February, President Joe Biden took steps to boost the U.S. manufacturing of silicon to strengthen the international supply chain and mitigate the global shortages.

    For the most part, the supply situation is only affected Qualcomm's older processor technologies because it's currently directing resources toward newer silicon options. The shortage is also driving up the price of specific chip components.

    At this point, Qualcomm's supply troubles will likely have little effect on Apple. Although the Cupertino tech giant uses Qualcomm modems in its iPhone lineup, it designs and develops its own A-series chips that are produced by third-party contract manufacturer TSMC.

    Stay on top of the latest Apple news right from your HomePod. Say, "Hey, Siri, play AppleInsider," and you'll get latest AppleInsider Podcast. Or ask your HomePod mini for "AppleInsider Daily" instead and you'll hear a quick update direct from our news team. And, if you're interested in Apple-centric home automation, say "Hey, Siri, play HomeKit Insider," and you'll be listening to our newest specialized podcast in moments.

    The answer is simple:   End the silly, hateful, vindictive trade war with China cleverly disguised as "National Security".

    You can't shutter chip factories and limit production in other less direct ways -- and THEN whine about lack of production!
    ....  That's silly and childish.
  • Reply 4 of 56
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,328member
    Qualcomm is reportedly struggling to meet demand for processor silicon used in Android devices as a global chip shortage spreads across the electronics industry.

    Credit Qualcomm
    Credit: Qualcomm


    Demand for Qualcomm chips have soared in 2021 as Android makers close in on market share left by Huawei in the wake of U.S. sanctions. However, Qualcomm is finding it hard to meet the demand, partly because of a shortage of subcomponents used in its application processors.

    Because of that, Samsung is currently experiencing a shortage of Snapdragon chips, according to Reuters. That could impact production of mid- and low-end Samsung models, though another source said there was also supply concerns surrounding Qualcomm's new Snapdragon 888 processor.

    A senior executive at a top contract manufacturer for several major smartphone brands told Reuters it is also facing shortages of critical components from Qualcomm, and could cut handset shipments in 2021.

    The global processor shortage has been ongoing for several months. It first hit the automotive industry and has now spread to the consumer electronics market. In February, Xiaomi vice president Lu Weibing said that the situation is "not a shortage, it's an extreme shortage."

    Back in February, President Joe Biden took steps to boost the U.S. manufacturing of silicon to strengthen the international supply chain and mitigate the global shortages.

    For the most part, the supply situation is only affected Qualcomm's older processor technologies because it's currently directing resources toward newer silicon options. The shortage is also driving up the price of specific chip components.

    At this point, Qualcomm's supply troubles will likely have little effect on Apple. Although the Cupertino tech giant uses Qualcomm modems in its iPhone lineup, it designs and develops its own A-series chips that are produced by third-party contract manufacturer TSMC.

    Stay on top of the latest Apple news right from your HomePod. Say, "Hey, Siri, play AppleInsider," and you'll get latest AppleInsider Podcast. Or ask your HomePod mini for "AppleInsider Daily" instead and you'll hear a quick update direct from our news team. And, if you're interested in Apple-centric home automation, say "Hey, Siri, play HomeKit Insider," and you'll be listening to our newest specialized podcast in moments.

    The answer is simple:   End the silly, hateful, vindictive trade war with China cleverly disguised as "National Security".

    You can't shutter chip factories and limit production in other less direct ways -- and THEN whine about lack of production!
    ....  That's silly and childish.
    China has yet another problem;

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/mar/12/ioc-under-fire-after-dismissing-claims-of-genocide-against-uighurs-in-china

    I can see a Winter Olympics boycott on the horizon...yet you still ignore what is happening to the Uighurs, Hong Kong, and Taiwan. Fortunately, the rest of the world is not.


    macseekerkillroygatorguywatto_cobra
  • Reply 5 of 56
    tzeshantzeshan Posts: 2,351member
    tmay said:
    Qualcomm is reportedly struggling to meet demand for processor silicon used in Android devices as a global chip shortage spreads across the electronics industry.

    Credit Qualcomm
    Credit: Qualcomm


    Demand for Qualcomm chips have soared in 2021 as Android makers close in on market share left by Huawei in the wake of U.S. sanctions. However, Qualcomm is finding it hard to meet the demand, partly because of a shortage of subcomponents used in its application processors.

    Because of that, Samsung is currently experiencing a shortage of Snapdragon chips, according to Reuters. That could impact production of mid- and low-end Samsung models, though another source said there was also supply concerns surrounding Qualcomm's new Snapdragon 888 processor.

    A senior executive at a top contract manufacturer for several major smartphone brands told Reuters it is also facing shortages of critical components from Qualcomm, and could cut handset shipments in 2021.

    The global processor shortage has been ongoing for several months. It first hit the automotive industry and has now spread to the consumer electronics market. In February, Xiaomi vice president Lu Weibing said that the situation is "not a shortage, it's an extreme shortage."

    Back in February, President Joe Biden took steps to boost the U.S. manufacturing of silicon to strengthen the international supply chain and mitigate the global shortages.

    For the most part, the supply situation is only affected Qualcomm's older processor technologies because it's currently directing resources toward newer silicon options. The shortage is also driving up the price of specific chip components.

    At this point, Qualcomm's supply troubles will likely have little effect on Apple. Although the Cupertino tech giant uses Qualcomm modems in its iPhone lineup, it designs and develops its own A-series chips that are produced by third-party contract manufacturer TSMC.

    Stay on top of the latest Apple news right from your HomePod. Say, "Hey, Siri, play AppleInsider," and you'll get latest AppleInsider Podcast. Or ask your HomePod mini for "AppleInsider Daily" instead and you'll hear a quick update direct from our news team. And, if you're interested in Apple-centric home automation, say "Hey, Siri, play HomeKit Insider," and you'll be listening to our newest specialized podcast in moments.

    The answer is simple:   End the silly, hateful, vindictive trade war with China cleverly disguised as "National Security".

    You can't shutter chip factories and limit production in other less direct ways -- and THEN whine about lack of production!
    ....  That's silly and childish.
    China has yet another problem;

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/mar/12/ioc-under-fire-after-dismissing-claims-of-genocide-against-uighurs-in-china

    I can see a Winter Olympics boycott on the horizon...yet you still ignore what is happening to the Uighurs, Hong Kong, and Taiwan. Fortunately, the rest of the world is not.


    Genocide is the intentional action to destroy a people—usually defined as an ethnicnationalracial, or religious group—in whole or in part. A term coined by Raphael Lemkin in his 1944 book Axis Rule in Occupied Europe,[1][2] the hybrid word geno-cide is a combination of the Greek word γένος (genos, "race, people") and the Latinsuffix -caedo ("act of killing").[3]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide

    And
    Ethnic groups in Xinjiang
    根据2015年底人口抽查统计 [189]
    NationalityPopulationPercentage
    Uyghur11,303,30046.42%
    Han8,611,00038.99%
    Kazakh1,591,2007.02%
    Hui1,015,8004.54%
    Kirghiz202,2000.88%
    Mongols180,6000.83%
    Tajiks50,1000.21%
    Xibe43,2000.20%
    Manchu27,5150.11%
    Tujia15,7870.086%
    Uzbek18,7690.066%
    Russian11,8000.048%
    Miao7,0060.038%
    Tibetan6,1530.033%
    Zhuang5,6420.031%
    Tatar5,1830.024%
    Salar3,7620.020%
    Other129,1900.600%

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang#Vital_statistics

    edited March 2021 watto_cobra
  • Reply 6 of 56
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,328member
    tzeshan said:
    tmay said:
    Qualcomm is reportedly struggling to meet demand for processor silicon used in Android devices as a global chip shortage spreads across the electronics industry.

    Credit Qualcomm
    Credit: Qualcomm


    Demand for Qualcomm chips have soared in 2021 as Android makers close in on market share left by Huawei in the wake of U.S. sanctions. However, Qualcomm is finding it hard to meet the demand, partly because of a shortage of subcomponents used in its application processors.

    Because of that, Samsung is currently experiencing a shortage of Snapdragon chips, according to Reuters. That could impact production of mid- and low-end Samsung models, though another source said there was also supply concerns surrounding Qualcomm's new Snapdragon 888 processor.

    A senior executive at a top contract manufacturer for several major smartphone brands told Reuters it is also facing shortages of critical components from Qualcomm, and could cut handset shipments in 2021.

    The global processor shortage has been ongoing for several months. It first hit the automotive industry and has now spread to the consumer electronics market. In February, Xiaomi vice president Lu Weibing said that the situation is "not a shortage, it's an extreme shortage."

    Back in February, President Joe Biden took steps to boost the U.S. manufacturing of silicon to strengthen the international supply chain and mitigate the global shortages.

    For the most part, the supply situation is only affected Qualcomm's older processor technologies because it's currently directing resources toward newer silicon options. The shortage is also driving up the price of specific chip components.

    At this point, Qualcomm's supply troubles will likely have little effect on Apple. Although the Cupertino tech giant uses Qualcomm modems in its iPhone lineup, it designs and develops its own A-series chips that are produced by third-party contract manufacturer TSMC.

    Stay on top of the latest Apple news right from your HomePod. Say, "Hey, Siri, play AppleInsider," and you'll get latest AppleInsider Podcast. Or ask your HomePod mini for "AppleInsider Daily" instead and you'll hear a quick update direct from our news team. And, if you're interested in Apple-centric home automation, say "Hey, Siri, play HomeKit Insider," and you'll be listening to our newest specialized podcast in moments.

    The answer is simple:   End the silly, hateful, vindictive trade war with China cleverly disguised as "National Security".

    You can't shutter chip factories and limit production in other less direct ways -- and THEN whine about lack of production!
    ....  That's silly and childish.
    China has yet another problem;

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/mar/12/ioc-under-fire-after-dismissing-claims-of-genocide-against-uighurs-in-china

    I can see a Winter Olympics boycott on the horizon...yet you still ignore what is happening to the Uighurs, Hong Kong, and Taiwan. Fortunately, the rest of the world is not.


    Genocide is the intentional action to destroy a people—usually defined as an ethnicnationalracial, or religious group—in whole or in part. A term coined by Raphael Lemkin in his 1944 book Axis Rule in Occupied Europe,[1][2] the hybrid word geno-cide is a combination of the Greek word γένος (genos, "race, people") and the Latinsuffix -caedo ("act of killing").[3]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide

    And
    Ethnic groups in Xinjiang
    根据2015年底人口抽查统计 [189]
    NationalityPopulationPercentage
    Uyghur11,303,30046.42%
    Han8,611,00038.99%
    Kazakh1,591,2007.02%
    Hui1,015,8004.54%
    Kirghiz202,2000.88%
    Mongols180,6000.83%
    Tajiks50,1000.21%
    Xibe43,2000.20%
    Manchu27,5150.11%
    Tujia15,7870.086%
    Uzbek18,7690.066%
    Russian11,8000.048%
    Miao7,0060.038%
    Tibetan6,1530.033%
    Zhuang5,6420.031%
    Tatar5,1830.024%
    Salar3,7620.020%
    Other129,1900.600%

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang#Vital_statistics

    I agree with you; China is attempting genocide on many ethnic groups, other than Han, hence the influx of Han into the region in an attempt to "dilute" the minorities;

    https://thediplomat.com/2017/10/the-human-costs-of-controlling-xinjiang/


    and population controls;

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/07/01/china-documents-uighur-genocidal-sterilization-xinjiang/

    It all adds up to Genocide, according to the U.N.

    Then of course, there is the forced labor and imprisonment;

    https://www.axios.com/xinjiang-forced-labor-uyghurs-a3b58b6e-c98f-4ce4-ae52-7b4a37fa61f5.html

    "Why it matters: Xinjiang products are deeply integrated into lucrative supply chains around the world. The Chinese Communist Party's official embrace of coerced labor will force Western governments and institutions to choose between pleasing business leaders or enforcing universal human rights values."
    edited March 2021 killroywatto_cobra
  • Reply 7 of 56
    tzeshantzeshan Posts: 2,351member
    tmay said:
    tzeshan said:
    tmay said:
    Qualcomm is reportedly struggling to meet demand for processor silicon used in Android devices as a global chip shortage spreads across the electronics industry.

    Credit Qualcomm
    Credit: Qualcomm


    Demand for Qualcomm chips have soared in 2021 as Android makers close in on market share left by Huawei in the wake of U.S. sanctions. However, Qualcomm is finding it hard to meet the demand, partly because of a shortage of subcomponents used in its application processors.

    Because of that, Samsung is currently experiencing a shortage of Snapdragon chips, according to Reuters. That could impact production of mid- and low-end Samsung models, though another source said there was also supply concerns surrounding Qualcomm's new Snapdragon 888 processor.

    A senior executive at a top contract manufacturer for several major smartphone brands told Reuters it is also facing shortages of critical components from Qualcomm, and could cut handset shipments in 2021.

    The global processor shortage has been ongoing for several months. It first hit the automotive industry and has now spread to the consumer electronics market. In February, Xiaomi vice president Lu Weibing said that the situation is "not a shortage, it's an extreme shortage."

    Back in February, President Joe Biden took steps to boost the U.S. manufacturing of silicon to strengthen the international supply chain and mitigate the global shortages.

    For the most part, the supply situation is only affected Qualcomm's older processor technologies because it's currently directing resources toward newer silicon options. The shortage is also driving up the price of specific chip components.

    At this point, Qualcomm's supply troubles will likely have little effect on Apple. Although the Cupertino tech giant uses Qualcomm modems in its iPhone lineup, it designs and develops its own A-series chips that are produced by third-party contract manufacturer TSMC.

    Stay on top of the latest Apple news right from your HomePod. Say, "Hey, Siri, play AppleInsider," and you'll get latest AppleInsider Podcast. Or ask your HomePod mini for "AppleInsider Daily" instead and you'll hear a quick update direct from our news team. And, if you're interested in Apple-centric home automation, say "Hey, Siri, play HomeKit Insider," and you'll be listening to our newest specialized podcast in moments.

    The answer is simple:   End the silly, hateful, vindictive trade war with China cleverly disguised as "National Security".

    You can't shutter chip factories and limit production in other less direct ways -- and THEN whine about lack of production!
    ....  That's silly and childish.
    China has yet another problem;

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/mar/12/ioc-under-fire-after-dismissing-claims-of-genocide-against-uighurs-in-china

    I can see a Winter Olympics boycott on the horizon...yet you still ignore what is happening to the Uighurs, Hong Kong, and Taiwan. Fortunately, the rest of the world is not.


    Genocide is the intentional action to destroy a people—usually defined as an ethnicnationalracial, or religious group—in whole or in part. A term coined by Raphael Lemkin in his 1944 book Axis Rule in Occupied Europe,[1][2] the hybrid word geno-cide is a combination of the Greek word γένος (genos, "race, people") and the Latinsuffix -caedo ("act of killing").[3]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide

    And
    Ethnic groups in Xinjiang
    根据2015年底人口抽查统计 [189]
    NationalityPopulationPercentage
    Uyghur11,303,30046.42%
    Han8,611,00038.99%
    Kazakh1,591,2007.02%
    Hui1,015,8004.54%
    Kirghiz202,2000.88%
    Mongols180,6000.83%
    Tajiks50,1000.21%
    Xibe43,2000.20%
    Manchu27,5150.11%
    Tujia15,7870.086%
    Uzbek18,7690.066%
    Russian11,8000.048%
    Miao7,0060.038%
    Tibetan6,1530.033%
    Zhuang5,6420.031%
    Tatar5,1830.024%
    Salar3,7620.020%
    Other129,1900.600%

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang#Vital_statistics

    I agree with you; China is attempting genocide on many ethnic groups, other than Han, hence the influx of Han into the region in an attempt to "dilute" the minorities;

    https://thediplomat.com/2017/10/the-human-costs-of-controlling-xinjiang/


    and population controls;

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/07/01/china-documents-uighur-genocidal-sterilization-xinjiang/

    It all adds up to Genocide, according to the U.N.

    Then of course, there is the forced labor and imprisonment;

    https://www.axios.com/xinjiang-forced-labor-uyghurs-a3b58b6e-c98f-4ce4-ae52-7b4a37fa61f5.html

    "Why it matters: Xinjiang products are deeply integrated into lucrative supply chains around the world. The Chinese Communist Party's official embrace of coerced labor will force Western governments and institutions to choose between pleasing business leaders or enforcing universal human rights values."
    Using distorted words is political minded. And trying to brainwash people. And trying to incite hatred toward Chinese which President has condemned in nationally broadcasted message. He said this must stop. 
  • Reply 8 of 56
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    tzeshan said:
    tmay said:
    Qualcomm is reportedly struggling to meet demand for processor silicon used in Android devices as a global chip shortage spreads across the electronics industry.

    Credit Qualcomm
    Credit: Qualcomm


    Demand for Qualcomm chips have soared in 2021 as Android makers close in on market share left by Huawei in the wake of U.S. sanctions. However, Qualcomm is finding it hard to meet the demand, partly because of a shortage of subcomponents used in its application processors.

    Because of that, Samsung is currently experiencing a shortage of Snapdragon chips, according to Reuters. That could impact production of mid- and low-end Samsung models, though another source said there was also supply concerns surrounding Qualcomm's new Snapdragon 888 processor.

    A senior executive at a top contract manufacturer for several major smartphone brands told Reuters it is also facing shortages of critical components from Qualcomm, and could cut handset shipments in 2021.

    The global processor shortage has been ongoing for several months. It first hit the automotive industry and has now spread to the consumer electronics market. In February, Xiaomi vice president Lu Weibing said that the situation is "not a shortage, it's an extreme shortage."

    Back in February, President Joe Biden took steps to boost the U.S. manufacturing of silicon to strengthen the international supply chain and mitigate the global shortages.

    For the most part, the supply situation is only affected Qualcomm's older processor technologies because it's currently directing resources toward newer silicon options. The shortage is also driving up the price of specific chip components.

    At this point, Qualcomm's supply troubles will likely have little effect on Apple. Although the Cupertino tech giant uses Qualcomm modems in its iPhone lineup, it designs and develops its own A-series chips that are produced by third-party contract manufacturer TSMC.

    Stay on top of the latest Apple news right from your HomePod. Say, "Hey, Siri, play AppleInsider," and you'll get latest AppleInsider Podcast. Or ask your HomePod mini for "AppleInsider Daily" instead and you'll hear a quick update direct from our news team. And, if you're interested in Apple-centric home automation, say "Hey, Siri, play HomeKit Insider," and you'll be listening to our newest specialized podcast in moments.

    The answer is simple:   End the silly, hateful, vindictive trade war with China cleverly disguised as "National Security".

    You can't shutter chip factories and limit production in other less direct ways -- and THEN whine about lack of production!
    ....  That's silly and childish.
    China has yet another problem;

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/mar/12/ioc-under-fire-after-dismissing-claims-of-genocide-against-uighurs-in-china

    I can see a Winter Olympics boycott on the horizon...yet you still ignore what is happening to the Uighurs, Hong Kong, and Taiwan. Fortunately, the rest of the world is not.


    Genocide is the intentional action to destroy a people—usually defined as an ethnicnationalracial, or religious group—in whole or in part. A term coined by Raphael Lemkin in his 1944 book Axis Rule in Occupied Europe,[1][2] the hybrid word geno-cide is a combination of the Greek word γένος (genos, "race, people") and the Latinsuffix -caedo ("act of killing").[3]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide

    And
    Ethnic groups in Xinjiang
    根据2015年底人口抽查统计 [189]
    NationalityPopulationPercentage
    Uyghur11,303,30046.42%
    Han8,611,00038.99%
    Kazakh1,591,2007.02%
    Hui1,015,8004.54%
    Kirghiz202,2000.88%
    Mongols180,6000.83%
    Tajiks50,1000.21%
    Xibe43,2000.20%
    Manchu27,5150.11%
    Tujia15,7870.086%
    Uzbek18,7690.066%
    Russian11,8000.048%
    Miao7,0060.038%
    Tibetan6,1530.033%
    Zhuang5,6420.031%
    Tatar5,1830.024%
    Salar3,7620.020%
    Other129,1900.600%

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang#Vital_statistics


    Yeh, it's pretty much a dead giveaway that somebody is running a (mostly) baseless smear campaign when they have to introduce hyperbole into to the argument.  Especially if they have to redefine words to suck off of their normal meaning.  People who have legitimate arguments don't have to resort to such childish tactics.

    But, as I said, those that do use such tactics expose their argument as baseless.

    As for an Olympic Boycott:  that would be more justified against the U.S. where we have militarized police executing (or is it committing "genocide" against?) innocent black people?
  • Reply 9 of 56
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,328member
    tzeshan said:
    tmay said:
    Qualcomm is reportedly struggling to meet demand for processor silicon used in Android devices as a global chip shortage spreads across the electronics industry.

    Credit Qualcomm
    Credit: Qualcomm


    Demand for Qualcomm chips have soared in 2021 as Android makers close in on market share left by Huawei in the wake of U.S. sanctions. However, Qualcomm is finding it hard to meet the demand, partly because of a shortage of subcomponents used in its application processors.

    Because of that, Samsung is currently experiencing a shortage of Snapdragon chips, according to Reuters. That could impact production of mid- and low-end Samsung models, though another source said there was also supply concerns surrounding Qualcomm's new Snapdragon 888 processor.

    A senior executive at a top contract manufacturer for several major smartphone brands told Reuters it is also facing shortages of critical components from Qualcomm, and could cut handset shipments in 2021.

    The global processor shortage has been ongoing for several months. It first hit the automotive industry and has now spread to the consumer electronics market. In February, Xiaomi vice president Lu Weibing said that the situation is "not a shortage, it's an extreme shortage."

    Back in February, President Joe Biden took steps to boost the U.S. manufacturing of silicon to strengthen the international supply chain and mitigate the global shortages.

    For the most part, the supply situation is only affected Qualcomm's older processor technologies because it's currently directing resources toward newer silicon options. The shortage is also driving up the price of specific chip components.

    At this point, Qualcomm's supply troubles will likely have little effect on Apple. Although the Cupertino tech giant uses Qualcomm modems in its iPhone lineup, it designs and develops its own A-series chips that are produced by third-party contract manufacturer TSMC.

    Stay on top of the latest Apple news right from your HomePod. Say, "Hey, Siri, play AppleInsider," and you'll get latest AppleInsider Podcast. Or ask your HomePod mini for "AppleInsider Daily" instead and you'll hear a quick update direct from our news team. And, if you're interested in Apple-centric home automation, say "Hey, Siri, play HomeKit Insider," and you'll be listening to our newest specialized podcast in moments.

    The answer is simple:   End the silly, hateful, vindictive trade war with China cleverly disguised as "National Security".

    You can't shutter chip factories and limit production in other less direct ways -- and THEN whine about lack of production!
    ....  That's silly and childish.
    China has yet another problem;

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/mar/12/ioc-under-fire-after-dismissing-claims-of-genocide-against-uighurs-in-china

    I can see a Winter Olympics boycott on the horizon...yet you still ignore what is happening to the Uighurs, Hong Kong, and Taiwan. Fortunately, the rest of the world is not.


    Genocide is the intentional action to destroy a people—usually defined as an ethnicnationalracial, or religious group—in whole or in part. A term coined by Raphael Lemkin in his 1944 book Axis Rule in Occupied Europe,[1][2] the hybrid word geno-cide is a combination of the Greek word γένος (genos, "race, people") and the Latinsuffix -caedo ("act of killing").[3]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide

    And
    Ethnic groups in Xinjiang
    根据2015年底人口抽查统计 [189]
    NationalityPopulationPercentage
    Uyghur11,303,30046.42%
    Han8,611,00038.99%
    Kazakh1,591,2007.02%
    Hui1,015,8004.54%
    Kirghiz202,2000.88%
    Mongols180,6000.83%
    Tajiks50,1000.21%
    Xibe43,2000.20%
    Manchu27,5150.11%
    Tujia15,7870.086%
    Uzbek18,7690.066%
    Russian11,8000.048%
    Miao7,0060.038%
    Tibetan6,1530.033%
    Zhuang5,6420.031%
    Tatar5,1830.024%
    Salar3,7620.020%
    Other129,1900.600%

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang#Vital_statistics


    Yeh, it's pretty much a dead giveaway that somebody is running a (mostly) baseless smear campaign when they have to introduce hyperbole into to the argument.  Especially if they have to redefine words to suck off of their normal meaning.  People who have legitimate arguments don't have to resort to such childish tactics.

    But, as I said, those that do use such tactics expose their argument as baseless.

    As for an Olympic Boycott:  that would be more justified against the U.S. where we have militarized police executing (or is it committing "genocide" against?) innocent black people?
    What I think doesn't matter in the big picture, and I don't determine policy;

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-usa-xinjiang/u-s-says-no-change-in-its-genocide-determination-for-chinas-xinjiang-idUSKBN2B12LG

    "WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States has not seen any developments that would change its determination that China committed genocide and crimes against humanity in its treatment of Uighur Muslims in the western region of Xinjiang, State Department spokesman Ned Price said on Tuesday.

    “We have seen nothing that would change our assessment,” Price said. The Biden administration has endorsed a last-minute determination by the Trump administration that China has committed genocide in Xinjiang. Beijing denies the charges."

    Neither you not tzeshan have been able to produce any information denying that it happened, which is par for the course, but given that the PRC will not allow any independent investigation, this is all on the PRC, not the U.S.

    killroywatto_cobra
  • Reply 10 of 56
    blastdoorblastdoor Posts: 3,277member
    The answer is simple:   End the silly, hateful, vindictive trade war with China cleverly disguised as "National Security".

    You can't shutter chip factories and limit production in other less direct ways -- and THEN whine about lack of production!
    ....  That's silly and childish.
    The "silly, hateful, vindictive" part ended January 20th. 

    But Xi's China poses a very real and direct threat to the national security of the United States, especially because Xi's China currently seems to be on a path towards an unfriendly and unwelcome takeover of Taiwan. It makes a great deal of sense for the US to ensure a supply chain for all national security interests -- not just defense, but also vital infrastructure. 

    Going forward, we need serious, hard-headed, but enlightened trade, foreign, and industrial policy aimed at containing the threat posed by Xi's China. These policies can change if China changes, but otherwise, I think the US needs to be vigilant. 

    Unfortunately, China also has a need to be vigilant, because the US isn't entirely trustworthy, either. The fact that the US chose Donald Trump as its president makes us less trustworthy. Every other country in the world needs to take seriously the threat that the US might pick someone like Trump again. 

    Scary times -- the two most powerful countries in the world are not particularly trustworthy. Both have good reason to suspect each other, and everyone else has good reason to suspect both. 
    tmaykillroymuthuk_vanalingamFileMakerFeller
  • Reply 11 of 56
    tzeshantzeshan Posts: 2,351member
    tmay said:
    tzeshan said:
    tmay said:
    Qualcomm is reportedly struggling to meet demand for processor silicon used in Android devices as a global chip shortage spreads across the electronics industry.

    Credit Qualcomm
    Credit: Qualcomm


    Demand for Qualcomm chips have soared in 2021 as Android makers close in on market share left by Huawei in the wake of U.S. sanctions. However, Qualcomm is finding it hard to meet the demand, partly because of a shortage of subcomponents used in its application processors.

    Because of that, Samsung is currently experiencing a shortage of Snapdragon chips, according to Reuters. That could impact production of mid- and low-end Samsung models, though another source said there was also supply concerns surrounding Qualcomm's new Snapdragon 888 processor.

    A senior executive at a top contract manufacturer for several major smartphone brands told Reuters it is also facing shortages of critical components from Qualcomm, and could cut handset shipments in 2021.

    The global processor shortage has been ongoing for several months. It first hit the automotive industry and has now spread to the consumer electronics market. In February, Xiaomi vice president Lu Weibing said that the situation is "not a shortage, it's an extreme shortage."

    Back in February, President Joe Biden took steps to boost the U.S. manufacturing of silicon to strengthen the international supply chain and mitigate the global shortages.

    For the most part, the supply situation is only affected Qualcomm's older processor technologies because it's currently directing resources toward newer silicon options. The shortage is also driving up the price of specific chip components.

    At this point, Qualcomm's supply troubles will likely have little effect on Apple. Although the Cupertino tech giant uses Qualcomm modems in its iPhone lineup, it designs and develops its own A-series chips that are produced by third-party contract manufacturer TSMC.

    Stay on top of the latest Apple news right from your HomePod. Say, "Hey, Siri, play AppleInsider," and you'll get latest AppleInsider Podcast. Or ask your HomePod mini for "AppleInsider Daily" instead and you'll hear a quick update direct from our news team. And, if you're interested in Apple-centric home automation, say "Hey, Siri, play HomeKit Insider," and you'll be listening to our newest specialized podcast in moments.

    The answer is simple:   End the silly, hateful, vindictive trade war with China cleverly disguised as "National Security".

    You can't shutter chip factories and limit production in other less direct ways -- and THEN whine about lack of production!
    ....  That's silly and childish.
    China has yet another problem;

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/mar/12/ioc-under-fire-after-dismissing-claims-of-genocide-against-uighurs-in-china

    I can see a Winter Olympics boycott on the horizon...yet you still ignore what is happening to the Uighurs, Hong Kong, and Taiwan. Fortunately, the rest of the world is not.


    Genocide is the intentional action to destroy a people—usually defined as an ethnicnationalracial, or religious group—in whole or in part. A term coined by Raphael Lemkin in his 1944 book Axis Rule in Occupied Europe,[1][2] the hybrid word geno-cide is a combination of the Greek word γένος (genos, "race, people") and the Latinsuffix -caedo ("act of killing").[3]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide

    And
    Ethnic groups in Xinjiang
    根据2015年底人口抽查统计 [189]
    NationalityPopulationPercentage
    Uyghur11,303,30046.42%
    Han8,611,00038.99%
    Kazakh1,591,2007.02%
    Hui1,015,8004.54%
    Kirghiz202,2000.88%
    Mongols180,6000.83%
    Tajiks50,1000.21%
    Xibe43,2000.20%
    Manchu27,5150.11%
    Tujia15,7870.086%
    Uzbek18,7690.066%
    Russian11,8000.048%
    Miao7,0060.038%
    Tibetan6,1530.033%
    Zhuang5,6420.031%
    Tatar5,1830.024%
    Salar3,7620.020%
    Other129,1900.600%

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang#Vital_statistics


    Yeh, it's pretty much a dead giveaway that somebody is running a (mostly) baseless smear campaign when they have to introduce hyperbole into to the argument.  Especially if they have to redefine words to suck off of their normal meaning.  People who have legitimate arguments don't have to resort to such childish tactics.

    But, as I said, those that do use such tactics expose their argument as baseless.

    As for an Olympic Boycott:  that would be more justified against the U.S. where we have militarized police executing (or is it committing "genocide" against?) innocent black people?
    What I think doesn't matter in the big picture, and I don't determine policy;

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-usa-xinjiang/u-s-says-no-change-in-its-genocide-determination-for-chinas-xinjiang-idUSKBN2B12LG

    "WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States has not seen any developments that would change its determination that China committed genocide and crimes against humanity in its treatment of Uighur Muslims in the western region of Xinjiang, State Department spokesman Ned Price said on Tuesday.

    “We have seen nothing that would change our assessment,” Price said. The Biden administration has endorsed a last-minute determination by the Trump administration that China has committed genocide in Xinjiang. Beijing denies the charges."

    Neither you not tzeshan have been able to produce any information denying that it happened, which is par for the course, but given that the PRC will not allow any independent investigation, this is all on the PRC, not the U.S.

    US-China relation is the most difficult part of US foreign policy. It originated from the conflict between western culture which emphasizes total freedom and love and Chinese culture which emphasizes facts and regulation. History doesn't lie. US Congress passed the Chinese Exclusion Act in 1880 when there was no communism or CCP. Some Americans have tried to change this. But the election of Trump proved that this culture is firmly planted in other Americans. China has tried hard to rebuild the country without invading other nations instead by hard working to produce goods for other nations. Apple succeeded by working with China to become the most valuable company in the world. But some China haters and Apple haters try to break this relationship. 
  • Reply 12 of 56
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,328member
    tzeshan said:
    tmay said:
    tzeshan said:
    tmay said:
    Qualcomm is reportedly struggling to meet demand for processor silicon used in Android devices as a global chip shortage spreads across the electronics industry.

    Credit Qualcomm
    Credit: Qualcomm


    Demand for Qualcomm chips have soared in 2021 as Android makers close in on market share left by Huawei in the wake of U.S. sanctions. However, Qualcomm is finding it hard to meet the demand, partly because of a shortage of subcomponents used in its application processors.

    Because of that, Samsung is currently experiencing a shortage of Snapdragon chips, according to Reuters. That could impact production of mid- and low-end Samsung models, though another source said there was also supply concerns surrounding Qualcomm's new Snapdragon 888 processor.

    A senior executive at a top contract manufacturer for several major smartphone brands told Reuters it is also facing shortages of critical components from Qualcomm, and could cut handset shipments in 2021.

    The global processor shortage has been ongoing for several months. It first hit the automotive industry and has now spread to the consumer electronics market. In February, Xiaomi vice president Lu Weibing said that the situation is "not a shortage, it's an extreme shortage."

    Back in February, President Joe Biden took steps to boost the U.S. manufacturing of silicon to strengthen the international supply chain and mitigate the global shortages.

    For the most part, the supply situation is only affected Qualcomm's older processor technologies because it's currently directing resources toward newer silicon options. The shortage is also driving up the price of specific chip components.

    At this point, Qualcomm's supply troubles will likely have little effect on Apple. Although the Cupertino tech giant uses Qualcomm modems in its iPhone lineup, it designs and develops its own A-series chips that are produced by third-party contract manufacturer TSMC.

    Stay on top of the latest Apple news right from your HomePod. Say, "Hey, Siri, play AppleInsider," and you'll get latest AppleInsider Podcast. Or ask your HomePod mini for "AppleInsider Daily" instead and you'll hear a quick update direct from our news team. And, if you're interested in Apple-centric home automation, say "Hey, Siri, play HomeKit Insider," and you'll be listening to our newest specialized podcast in moments.

    The answer is simple:   End the silly, hateful, vindictive trade war with China cleverly disguised as "National Security".

    You can't shutter chip factories and limit production in other less direct ways -- and THEN whine about lack of production!
    ....  That's silly and childish.
    China has yet another problem;

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/mar/12/ioc-under-fire-after-dismissing-claims-of-genocide-against-uighurs-in-china

    I can see a Winter Olympics boycott on the horizon...yet you still ignore what is happening to the Uighurs, Hong Kong, and Taiwan. Fortunately, the rest of the world is not.


    Genocide is the intentional action to destroy a people—usually defined as an ethnicnationalracial, or religious group—in whole or in part. A term coined by Raphael Lemkin in his 1944 book Axis Rule in Occupied Europe,[1][2] the hybrid word geno-cide is a combination of the Greek word γένος (genos, "race, people") and the Latinsuffix -caedo ("act of killing").[3]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide

    And
    Ethnic groups in Xinjiang
    根据2015年底人口抽查统计 [189]
    NationalityPopulationPercentage
    Uyghur11,303,30046.42%
    Han8,611,00038.99%
    Kazakh1,591,2007.02%
    Hui1,015,8004.54%
    Kirghiz202,2000.88%
    Mongols180,6000.83%
    Tajiks50,1000.21%
    Xibe43,2000.20%
    Manchu27,5150.11%
    Tujia15,7870.086%
    Uzbek18,7690.066%
    Russian11,8000.048%
    Miao7,0060.038%
    Tibetan6,1530.033%
    Zhuang5,6420.031%
    Tatar5,1830.024%
    Salar3,7620.020%
    Other129,1900.600%

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang#Vital_statistics


    Yeh, it's pretty much a dead giveaway that somebody is running a (mostly) baseless smear campaign when they have to introduce hyperbole into to the argument.  Especially if they have to redefine words to suck off of their normal meaning.  People who have legitimate arguments don't have to resort to such childish tactics.

    But, as I said, those that do use such tactics expose their argument as baseless.

    As for an Olympic Boycott:  that would be more justified against the U.S. where we have militarized police executing (or is it committing "genocide" against?) innocent black people?
    What I think doesn't matter in the big picture, and I don't determine policy;

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-usa-xinjiang/u-s-says-no-change-in-its-genocide-determination-for-chinas-xinjiang-idUSKBN2B12LG

    "WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States has not seen any developments that would change its determination that China committed genocide and crimes against humanity in its treatment of Uighur Muslims in the western region of Xinjiang, State Department spokesman Ned Price said on Tuesday.

    “We have seen nothing that would change our assessment,” Price said. The Biden administration has endorsed a last-minute determination by the Trump administration that China has committed genocide in Xinjiang. Beijing denies the charges."

    Neither you not tzeshan have been able to produce any information denying that it happened, which is par for the course, but given that the PRC will not allow any independent investigation, this is all on the PRC, not the U.S.

    US-China relation is the most difficult part of US foreign policy. It originated from the conflict between western culture which emphasizes total freedom and love and Chinese culture which emphasizes facts and regulation. History doesn't lie. US Congress passed the Chinese Exclusion Act in 1880 when there was no communism or CCP. Some Americans have tried to change this. But the election of Trump proved that this culture is firmly planted in other Americans. China has tried hard to rebuild the country without invading other nations instead by hard working to produce goods for other nations. Apple succeeded by working with China to become the most valuable company in the world. But some China haters and Apple haters try to break this relationship. 
    "Chinese Culture which emphasizes facts and regulation"

    You forgot the part about Xi Jinping being either an Authoritarian, or Totalitarian, head of state, but certainly not a follower of the existing rules of order in the world, and I'm guessing "facts and regulation" are at the whim of the CPC, Communist Party of China. 

    Liberals as myself gave up on China liberalization at the time the Xi Jinping pronounced himself, President for Life. This is 100% on China for maiming, if not killing, the "golden goose" of international trade, not at all on the U.S., which is doubling down on National Security. 

    I would also note that China is in a very precarious position, with an expected drop in population;

    https://nationalinterest.org/feature/dangerous-demographics-chinas-population-problem-will-eclipse-its-ambitions-80961

    "China’s seemingly inexorable rise has hit a roadblock: demographics. And despite desperate efforts to reverse the effects of the Communist Party’s one-child policy, experts warn it may be too late to prevent lasting damage. Government researchers have predicted that the world’s largest population will peak at 1.4 billion people in 2029. However, it will then experience an “unstoppable” decline that could see it drop to 1.36 billion by 2050, reducing the workforce by as much as 200 million.

    Should fertility rates remain unchanged, then China could even shrink to 1.17 billion people by 2065, according to the China Academy of Social Sciences.

    “From a theoretical point of view, the long-term population decline, especially when it is accompanied by a continuously aging population, is bound to cause very unfavorable social and economic consequences,” the report said."


  • Reply 13 of 56
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    tmay said:
    tzeshan said:
    tmay said:
    Qualcomm is reportedly struggling to meet demand for processor silicon used in Android devices as a global chip shortage spreads across the electronics industry.

    Credit Qualcomm
    Credit: Qualcomm


    Demand for Qualcomm chips have soared in 2021 as Android makers close in on market share left by Huawei in the wake of U.S. sanctions. However, Qualcomm is finding it hard to meet the demand, partly because of a shortage of subcomponents used in its application processors.

    Because of that, Samsung is currently experiencing a shortage of Snapdragon chips, according to Reuters. That could impact production of mid- and low-end Samsung models, though another source said there was also supply concerns surrounding Qualcomm's new Snapdragon 888 processor.

    A senior executive at a top contract manufacturer for several major smartphone brands told Reuters it is also facing shortages of critical components from Qualcomm, and could cut handset shipments in 2021.

    The global processor shortage has been ongoing for several months. It first hit the automotive industry and has now spread to the consumer electronics market. In February, Xiaomi vice president Lu Weibing said that the situation is "not a shortage, it's an extreme shortage."

    Back in February, President Joe Biden took steps to boost the U.S. manufacturing of silicon to strengthen the international supply chain and mitigate the global shortages.

    For the most part, the supply situation is only affected Qualcomm's older processor technologies because it's currently directing resources toward newer silicon options. The shortage is also driving up the price of specific chip components.

    At this point, Qualcomm's supply troubles will likely have little effect on Apple. Although the Cupertino tech giant uses Qualcomm modems in its iPhone lineup, it designs and develops its own A-series chips that are produced by third-party contract manufacturer TSMC.

    Stay on top of the latest Apple news right from your HomePod. Say, "Hey, Siri, play AppleInsider," and you'll get latest AppleInsider Podcast. Or ask your HomePod mini for "AppleInsider Daily" instead and you'll hear a quick update direct from our news team. And, if you're interested in Apple-centric home automation, say "Hey, Siri, play HomeKit Insider," and you'll be listening to our newest specialized podcast in moments.

    The answer is simple:   End the silly, hateful, vindictive trade war with China cleverly disguised as "National Security".

    You can't shutter chip factories and limit production in other less direct ways -- and THEN whine about lack of production!
    ....  That's silly and childish.
    China has yet another problem;

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/mar/12/ioc-under-fire-after-dismissing-claims-of-genocide-against-uighurs-in-china

    I can see a Winter Olympics boycott on the horizon...yet you still ignore what is happening to the Uighurs, Hong Kong, and Taiwan. Fortunately, the rest of the world is not.


    Genocide is the intentional action to destroy a people—usually defined as an ethnicnationalracial, or religious group—in whole or in part. A term coined by Raphael Lemkin in his 1944 book Axis Rule in Occupied Europe,[1][2] the hybrid word geno-cide is a combination of the Greek word γένος (genos, "race, people") and the Latinsuffix -caedo ("act of killing").[3]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide

    And
    Ethnic groups in Xinjiang
    根据2015年底人口抽查统计 [189]
    NationalityPopulationPercentage
    Uyghur11,303,30046.42%
    Han8,611,00038.99%
    Kazakh1,591,2007.02%
    Hui1,015,8004.54%
    Kirghiz202,2000.88%
    Mongols180,6000.83%
    Tajiks50,1000.21%
    Xibe43,2000.20%
    Manchu27,5150.11%
    Tujia15,7870.086%
    Uzbek18,7690.066%
    Russian11,8000.048%
    Miao7,0060.038%
    Tibetan6,1530.033%
    Zhuang5,6420.031%
    Tatar5,1830.024%
    Salar3,7620.020%
    Other129,1900.600%

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang#Vital_statistics


    Yeh, it's pretty much a dead giveaway that somebody is running a (mostly) baseless smear campaign when they have to introduce hyperbole into to the argument.  Especially if they have to redefine words to suck off of their normal meaning.  People who have legitimate arguments don't have to resort to such childish tactics.

    But, as I said, those that do use such tactics expose their argument as baseless.

    As for an Olympic Boycott:  that would be more justified against the U.S. where we have militarized police executing (or is it committing "genocide" against?) innocent black people?
    What I think doesn't matter in the big picture, and I don't determine policy;

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-usa-xinjiang/u-s-says-no-change-in-its-genocide-determination-for-chinas-xinjiang-idUSKBN2B12LG

    "WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States has not seen any developments that would change its determination that China committed genocide and crimes against humanity in its treatment of Uighur Muslims in the western region of Xinjiang, State Department spokesman Ned Price said on Tuesday.

    “We have seen nothing that would change our assessment,” Price said. The Biden administration has endorsed a last-minute determination by the Trump administration that China has committed genocide in Xinjiang. Beijing denies the charges."

    Neither you not tzeshan have been able to produce any information denying that it happened, which is par for the course, but given that the PRC will not allow any independent investigation, this is all on the PRC, not the U.S.


    LOL...  Neither you nor the China haters have produced any evidence that it DID happen!
    Sorry, but the honus is on you to prove your case...   (And yes, I know that will trigger a deluge of allegations from your Google search)
  • Reply 14 of 56
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    tzeshan said:
    tmay said:
    tzeshan said:
    tmay said:
    Qualcomm is reportedly struggling to meet demand for processor silicon used in Android devices as a global chip shortage spreads across the electronics industry.

    Credit Qualcomm
    Credit: Qualcomm


    Demand for Qualcomm chips have soared in 2021 as Android makers close in on market share left by Huawei in the wake of U.S. sanctions. However, Qualcomm is finding it hard to meet the demand, partly because of a shortage of subcomponents used in its application processors.

    Because of that, Samsung is currently experiencing a shortage of Snapdragon chips, according to Reuters. That could impact production of mid- and low-end Samsung models, though another source said there was also supply concerns surrounding Qualcomm's new Snapdragon 888 processor.

    A senior executive at a top contract manufacturer for several major smartphone brands told Reuters it is also facing shortages of critical components from Qualcomm, and could cut handset shipments in 2021.

    The global processor shortage has been ongoing for several months. It first hit the automotive industry and has now spread to the consumer electronics market. In February, Xiaomi vice president Lu Weibing said that the situation is "not a shortage, it's an extreme shortage."

    Back in February, President Joe Biden took steps to boost the U.S. manufacturing of silicon to strengthen the international supply chain and mitigate the global shortages.

    For the most part, the supply situation is only affected Qualcomm's older processor technologies because it's currently directing resources toward newer silicon options. The shortage is also driving up the price of specific chip components.

    At this point, Qualcomm's supply troubles will likely have little effect on Apple. Although the Cupertino tech giant uses Qualcomm modems in its iPhone lineup, it designs and develops its own A-series chips that are produced by third-party contract manufacturer TSMC.

    Stay on top of the latest Apple news right from your HomePod. Say, "Hey, Siri, play AppleInsider," and you'll get latest AppleInsider Podcast. Or ask your HomePod mini for "AppleInsider Daily" instead and you'll hear a quick update direct from our news team. And, if you're interested in Apple-centric home automation, say "Hey, Siri, play HomeKit Insider," and you'll be listening to our newest specialized podcast in moments.

    The answer is simple:   End the silly, hateful, vindictive trade war with China cleverly disguised as "National Security".

    You can't shutter chip factories and limit production in other less direct ways -- and THEN whine about lack of production!
    ....  That's silly and childish.
    China has yet another problem;

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/mar/12/ioc-under-fire-after-dismissing-claims-of-genocide-against-uighurs-in-china

    I can see a Winter Olympics boycott on the horizon...yet you still ignore what is happening to the Uighurs, Hong Kong, and Taiwan. Fortunately, the rest of the world is not.


    Genocide is the intentional action to destroy a people—usually defined as an ethnicnationalracial, or religious group—in whole or in part. A term coined by Raphael Lemkin in his 1944 book Axis Rule in Occupied Europe,[1][2] the hybrid word geno-cide is a combination of the Greek word γένος (genos, "race, people") and the Latinsuffix -caedo ("act of killing").[3]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide

    And
    Ethnic groups in Xinjiang
    根据2015年底人口抽查统计 [189]
    NationalityPopulationPercentage
    Uyghur11,303,30046.42%
    Han8,611,00038.99%
    Kazakh1,591,2007.02%
    Hui1,015,8004.54%
    Kirghiz202,2000.88%
    Mongols180,6000.83%
    Tajiks50,1000.21%
    Xibe43,2000.20%
    Manchu27,5150.11%
    Tujia15,7870.086%
    Uzbek18,7690.066%
    Russian11,8000.048%
    Miao7,0060.038%
    Tibetan6,1530.033%
    Zhuang5,6420.031%
    Tatar5,1830.024%
    Salar3,7620.020%
    Other129,1900.600%

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang#Vital_statistics


    Yeh, it's pretty much a dead giveaway that somebody is running a (mostly) baseless smear campaign when they have to introduce hyperbole into to the argument.  Especially if they have to redefine words to suck off of their normal meaning.  People who have legitimate arguments don't have to resort to such childish tactics.

    But, as I said, those that do use such tactics expose their argument as baseless.

    As for an Olympic Boycott:  that would be more justified against the U.S. where we have militarized police executing (or is it committing "genocide" against?) innocent black people?
    What I think doesn't matter in the big picture, and I don't determine policy;

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-usa-xinjiang/u-s-says-no-change-in-its-genocide-determination-for-chinas-xinjiang-idUSKBN2B12LG

    "WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States has not seen any developments that would change its determination that China committed genocide and crimes against humanity in its treatment of Uighur Muslims in the western region of Xinjiang, State Department spokesman Ned Price said on Tuesday.

    “We have seen nothing that would change our assessment,” Price said. The Biden administration has endorsed a last-minute determination by the Trump administration that China has committed genocide in Xinjiang. Beijing denies the charges."

    Neither you not tzeshan have been able to produce any information denying that it happened, which is par for the course, but given that the PRC will not allow any independent investigation, this is all on the PRC, not the U.S.

    US-China relation is the most difficult part of US foreign policy. It originated from the conflict between western culture which emphasizes total freedom and love and Chinese culture which emphasizes facts and regulation. History doesn't lie. US Congress passed the Chinese Exclusion Act in 1880 when there was no communism or CCP. Some Americans have tried to change this. But the election of Trump proved that this culture is firmly planted in other Americans. China has tried hard to rebuild the country without invading other nations instead by hard working to produce goods for other nations. Apple succeeded by working with China to become the most valuable company in the world. But some China haters and Apple haters try to break this relationship. 

    Don't give these idiots so much credit.
    The root of the current batch of "I hate China" stems from the fact that they will soon over take us as the world's leading economy.
    That is not only humiliating to these so called patriots but, aside from the financial and economic manifestations, it puts the lie to their contention that Democracy and Free Market capitalism is inherently superior to autocracy and socialism.
    (Here's a hint:  wise, caring leadership counts for a lot more than any ideology.)

    You might enjoy this piece from Bill Maher on "Clown and Country"


    edited March 2021
  • Reply 15 of 56
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,328member
    tzeshan said:
    tmay said:
    tzeshan said:
    tmay said:
    Qualcomm is reportedly struggling to meet demand for processor silicon used in Android devices as a global chip shortage spreads across the electronics industry.

    Credit Qualcomm
    Credit: Qualcomm


    Demand for Qualcomm chips have soared in 2021 as Android makers close in on market share left by Huawei in the wake of U.S. sanctions. However, Qualcomm is finding it hard to meet the demand, partly because of a shortage of subcomponents used in its application processors.

    Because of that, Samsung is currently experiencing a shortage of Snapdragon chips, according to Reuters. That could impact production of mid- and low-end Samsung models, though another source said there was also supply concerns surrounding Qualcomm's new Snapdragon 888 processor.

    A senior executive at a top contract manufacturer for several major smartphone brands told Reuters it is also facing shortages of critical components from Qualcomm, and could cut handset shipments in 2021.

    The global processor shortage has been ongoing for several months. It first hit the automotive industry and has now spread to the consumer electronics market. In February, Xiaomi vice president Lu Weibing said that the situation is "not a shortage, it's an extreme shortage."

    Back in February, President Joe Biden took steps to boost the U.S. manufacturing of silicon to strengthen the international supply chain and mitigate the global shortages.

    For the most part, the supply situation is only affected Qualcomm's older processor technologies because it's currently directing resources toward newer silicon options. The shortage is also driving up the price of specific chip components.

    At this point, Qualcomm's supply troubles will likely have little effect on Apple. Although the Cupertino tech giant uses Qualcomm modems in its iPhone lineup, it designs and develops its own A-series chips that are produced by third-party contract manufacturer TSMC.

    Stay on top of the latest Apple news right from your HomePod. Say, "Hey, Siri, play AppleInsider," and you'll get latest AppleInsider Podcast. Or ask your HomePod mini for "AppleInsider Daily" instead and you'll hear a quick update direct from our news team. And, if you're interested in Apple-centric home automation, say "Hey, Siri, play HomeKit Insider," and you'll be listening to our newest specialized podcast in moments.

    The answer is simple:   End the silly, hateful, vindictive trade war with China cleverly disguised as "National Security".

    You can't shutter chip factories and limit production in other less direct ways -- and THEN whine about lack of production!
    ....  That's silly and childish.
    China has yet another problem;

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/mar/12/ioc-under-fire-after-dismissing-claims-of-genocide-against-uighurs-in-china

    I can see a Winter Olympics boycott on the horizon...yet you still ignore what is happening to the Uighurs, Hong Kong, and Taiwan. Fortunately, the rest of the world is not.


    Genocide is the intentional action to destroy a people—usually defined as an ethnicnationalracial, or religious group—in whole or in part. A term coined by Raphael Lemkin in his 1944 book Axis Rule in Occupied Europe,[1][2] the hybrid word geno-cide is a combination of the Greek word γένος (genos, "race, people") and the Latinsuffix -caedo ("act of killing").[3]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide

    And
    Ethnic groups in Xinjiang
    根据2015年底人口抽查统计 [189]
    NationalityPopulationPercentage
    Uyghur11,303,30046.42%
    Han8,611,00038.99%
    Kazakh1,591,2007.02%
    Hui1,015,8004.54%
    Kirghiz202,2000.88%
    Mongols180,6000.83%
    Tajiks50,1000.21%
    Xibe43,2000.20%
    Manchu27,5150.11%
    Tujia15,7870.086%
    Uzbek18,7690.066%
    Russian11,8000.048%
    Miao7,0060.038%
    Tibetan6,1530.033%
    Zhuang5,6420.031%
    Tatar5,1830.024%
    Salar3,7620.020%
    Other129,1900.600%

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang#Vital_statistics


    Yeh, it's pretty much a dead giveaway that somebody is running a (mostly) baseless smear campaign when they have to introduce hyperbole into to the argument.  Especially if they have to redefine words to suck off of their normal meaning.  People who have legitimate arguments don't have to resort to such childish tactics.

    But, as I said, those that do use such tactics expose their argument as baseless.

    As for an Olympic Boycott:  that would be more justified against the U.S. where we have militarized police executing (or is it committing "genocide" against?) innocent black people?
    What I think doesn't matter in the big picture, and I don't determine policy;

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-usa-xinjiang/u-s-says-no-change-in-its-genocide-determination-for-chinas-xinjiang-idUSKBN2B12LG

    "WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States has not seen any developments that would change its determination that China committed genocide and crimes against humanity in its treatment of Uighur Muslims in the western region of Xinjiang, State Department spokesman Ned Price said on Tuesday.

    “We have seen nothing that would change our assessment,” Price said. The Biden administration has endorsed a last-minute determination by the Trump administration that China has committed genocide in Xinjiang. Beijing denies the charges."

    Neither you not tzeshan have been able to produce any information denying that it happened, which is par for the course, but given that the PRC will not allow any independent investigation, this is all on the PRC, not the U.S.

    US-China relation is the most difficult part of US foreign policy. It originated from the conflict between western culture which emphasizes total freedom and love and Chinese culture which emphasizes facts and regulation. History doesn't lie. US Congress passed the Chinese Exclusion Act in 1880 when there was no communism or CCP. Some Americans have tried to change this. But the election of Trump proved that this culture is firmly planted in other Americans. China has tried hard to rebuild the country without invading other nations instead by hard working to produce goods for other nations. Apple succeeded by working with China to become the most valuable company in the world. But some China haters and Apple haters try to break this relationship. 

    Don't give these idiots so much credit.
    The root of the current batch of "I hate China" stems from the fact that they will soon over take us as the world's leading economy.
    That is not only humiliating to these so called patriots but, aside from the financial and economic manifestations, it puts the lie to their contention that Democracy and Free Market capitalism is inherently superior to autocracy and socialism.
    (Here's a hint:  wise, caring leadership counts for a lot more than any ideology.)

    You might enjoy this piece from Bill Maher on "Clown and Country"


    We have wise, caring, leadership today in the U.S., and every adult that wants it will have vaccine access by May 1, and the U.S. hasn't had to rely on cutting corners as the SinoVac from China has. China will be far behind the U.S., and is attempting to use its vaccine to leverage diplomacy. But, hey, Maher has his own show, and can do what he wants.

    Bill Maher barely acknowledges human rights violations in Xinjiang, but John Oliver certainly does;

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17oCQakzIl8

    So, your attempt to "bury the lede" on human rights violations in China, by posting a screed by Bill Maher on comparative economies fails. You probably aren't even cognizant to the fact that the U.S., at a quarter the size of China, is still the leading economy, and will be through the end of the decade. China, for all of its massive construction will also find out that "what you strive to attain, you must also maintain", a huge cost that every country bears for its existing infrastructure.

    I gave up watching Bill Maher when I gave up cable and HBO, near twenty years ago. He isn't anything but provocative.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/01/new-chart-shows-china-gdp-could-overtake-us-sooner-as-covid-took-its-toll.html

    "“This (divergence in growth) is consistent with our view that the pandemic has been a much larger blow to the US economy than China’s economy,” Rob Subbaraman of Nomura said in an email Friday. “We believe that on reasonable growth projections the size of China’s economy in USD terms will overtake the US in 2028.”

    On the other hand, the U.S. and the West's plan for sourcing outside of China will likely delay that date, but I can state as a fact that the U.S. economy is going to grow at a very fast rate in Q3 and Q4 of this year, due to vaccinations.  

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/02/10percent-gdp-growth-the-us-economy-is-on-fire-and-is-about-to-get-stoked-even-more.html

    edited March 2021
  • Reply 16 of 56
    blastdoor said:
    The answer is simple:   End the silly, hateful, vindictive trade war with China cleverly disguised as "National Security".

    You can't shutter chip factories and limit production in other less direct ways -- and THEN whine about lack of production!
    ....  That's silly and childish.
    The "silly, hateful, vindictive" part ended January 20th. 

    But Xi's China poses a very real and direct threat to the national security of the United States, especially because Xi's China currently seems to be on a path towards an unfriendly and unwelcome takeover of Taiwan. It makes a great deal of sense for the US to ensure a supply chain for all national security interests -- not just defense, but also vital infrastructure. 

    Going forward, we need serious, hard-headed, but enlightened trade, foreign, and industrial policy aimed at containing the threat posed by Xi's China. These policies can change if China changes, but otherwise, I think the US needs to be vigilant. 

    Unfortunately, China also has a need to be vigilant, because the US isn't entirely trustworthy, either. The fact that the US chose Donald Trump as its president makes us less trustworthy. Every other country in the world needs to take seriously the threat that the US might pick someone like Trump again. 

    Scary times -- the two most powerful countries in the world are not particularly trustworthy. Both have good reason to suspect each other, and everyone else has good reason to suspect both. 
    Well said!!! 
    blastdoor
  • Reply 17 of 56
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    tmay said:
    tzeshan said:
    tmay said:
    tzeshan said:
    tmay said:
    Qualcomm is reportedly struggling to meet demand for processor silicon used in Android devices as a global chip shortage spreads across the electronics industry.

    Credit Qualcomm
    Credit: Qualcomm


    Demand for Qualcomm chips have soared in 2021 as Android makers close in on market share left by Huawei in the wake of U.S. sanctions. However, Qualcomm is finding it hard to meet the demand, partly because of a shortage of subcomponents used in its application processors.

    Because of that, Samsung is currently experiencing a shortage of Snapdragon chips, according to Reuters. That could impact production of mid- and low-end Samsung models, though another source said there was also supply concerns surrounding Qualcomm's new Snapdragon 888 processor.

    A senior executive at a top contract manufacturer for several major smartphone brands told Reuters it is also facing shortages of critical components from Qualcomm, and could cut handset shipments in 2021.

    The global processor shortage has been ongoing for several months. It first hit the automotive industry and has now spread to the consumer electronics market. In February, Xiaomi vice president Lu Weibing said that the situation is "not a shortage, it's an extreme shortage."

    Back in February, President Joe Biden took steps to boost the U.S. manufacturing of silicon to strengthen the international supply chain and mitigate the global shortages.

    For the most part, the supply situation is only affected Qualcomm's older processor technologies because it's currently directing resources toward newer silicon options. The shortage is also driving up the price of specific chip components.

    At this point, Qualcomm's supply troubles will likely have little effect on Apple. Although the Cupertino tech giant uses Qualcomm modems in its iPhone lineup, it designs and develops its own A-series chips that are produced by third-party contract manufacturer TSMC.

    Stay on top of the latest Apple news right from your HomePod. Say, "Hey, Siri, play AppleInsider," and you'll get latest AppleInsider Podcast. Or ask your HomePod mini for "AppleInsider Daily" instead and you'll hear a quick update direct from our news team. And, if you're interested in Apple-centric home automation, say "Hey, Siri, play HomeKit Insider," and you'll be listening to our newest specialized podcast in moments.

    The answer is simple:   End the silly, hateful, vindictive trade war with China cleverly disguised as "National Security".

    You can't shutter chip factories and limit production in other less direct ways -- and THEN whine about lack of production!
    ....  That's silly and childish.
    China has yet another problem;

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/mar/12/ioc-under-fire-after-dismissing-claims-of-genocide-against-uighurs-in-china

    I can see a Winter Olympics boycott on the horizon...yet you still ignore what is happening to the Uighurs, Hong Kong, and Taiwan. Fortunately, the rest of the world is not.


    Genocide is the intentional action to destroy a people—usually defined as an ethnicnationalracial, or religious group—in whole or in part. A term coined by Raphael Lemkin in his 1944 book Axis Rule in Occupied Europe,[1][2] the hybrid word geno-cide is a combination of the Greek word γένος (genos, "race, people") and the Latinsuffix -caedo ("act of killing").[3]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide

    And
    Ethnic groups in Xinjiang
    根据2015年底人口抽查统计 [189]
    NationalityPopulationPercentage
    Uyghur11,303,30046.42%
    Han8,611,00038.99%
    Kazakh1,591,2007.02%
    Hui1,015,8004.54%
    Kirghiz202,2000.88%
    Mongols180,6000.83%
    Tajiks50,1000.21%
    Xibe43,2000.20%
    Manchu27,5150.11%
    Tujia15,7870.086%
    Uzbek18,7690.066%
    Russian11,8000.048%
    Miao7,0060.038%
    Tibetan6,1530.033%
    Zhuang5,6420.031%
    Tatar5,1830.024%
    Salar3,7620.020%
    Other129,1900.600%

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang#Vital_statistics


    Yeh, it's pretty much a dead giveaway that somebody is running a (mostly) baseless smear campaign when they have to introduce hyperbole into to the argument.  Especially if they have to redefine words to suck off of their normal meaning.  People who have legitimate arguments don't have to resort to such childish tactics.

    But, as I said, those that do use such tactics expose their argument as baseless.

    As for an Olympic Boycott:  that would be more justified against the U.S. where we have militarized police executing (or is it committing "genocide" against?) innocent black people?
    What I think doesn't matter in the big picture, and I don't determine policy;

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-usa-xinjiang/u-s-says-no-change-in-its-genocide-determination-for-chinas-xinjiang-idUSKBN2B12LG

    "WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States has not seen any developments that would change its determination that China committed genocide and crimes against humanity in its treatment of Uighur Muslims in the western region of Xinjiang, State Department spokesman Ned Price said on Tuesday.

    “We have seen nothing that would change our assessment,” Price said. The Biden administration has endorsed a last-minute determination by the Trump administration that China has committed genocide in Xinjiang. Beijing denies the charges."

    Neither you not tzeshan have been able to produce any information denying that it happened, which is par for the course, but given that the PRC will not allow any independent investigation, this is all on the PRC, not the U.S.

    US-China relation is the most difficult part of US foreign policy. It originated from the conflict between western culture which emphasizes total freedom and love and Chinese culture which emphasizes facts and regulation. History doesn't lie. US Congress passed the Chinese Exclusion Act in 1880 when there was no communism or CCP. Some Americans have tried to change this. But the election of Trump proved that this culture is firmly planted in other Americans. China has tried hard to rebuild the country without invading other nations instead by hard working to produce goods for other nations. Apple succeeded by working with China to become the most valuable company in the world. But some China haters and Apple haters try to break this relationship. 

    Don't give these idiots so much credit.
    The root of the current batch of "I hate China" stems from the fact that they will soon over take us as the world's leading economy.
    That is not only humiliating to these so called patriots but, aside from the financial and economic manifestations, it puts the lie to their contention that Democracy and Free Market capitalism is inherently superior to autocracy and socialism.
    (Here's a hint:  wise, caring leadership counts for a lot more than any ideology.)

    You might enjoy this piece from Bill Maher on "Clown and Country"


    We have wise, caring, leadership today in the U.S., and every adult that wants it will have vaccine access by May 1, and the U.S. hasn't had to rely on cutting corners as the SinoVac from China has. China will be far behind the U.S., and is attempting to use its vaccine to leverage diplomacy. But, hey, Maher has his own show, and can do what he wants.

    Bill Maher barely acknowledges human rights violations in Xinjiang, but John Oliver certainly does;

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17oCQakzIl8

    So, your attempt to "bury the lede" on human rights violations in China, by posting a screed by Bill Maher on comparative economies fails. You probably aren't even cognizant to the fact that the U.S., at a quarter the size of China, is still the leading economy, and will be through the end of the decade. China, for all of its massive construction will also find out that "what you strive to attain, you must also maintain", a huge cost that every country bears for its existing infrastructure.

    I gave up watching Bill Maher when I gave up cable and HBO, near twenty years ago. He isn't anything but provocative.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/01/new-chart-shows-china-gdp-could-overtake-us-sooner-as-covid-took-its-toll.html

    "“This (divergence in growth) is consistent with our view that the pandemic has been a much larger blow to the US economy than China’s economy,” Rob Subbaraman of Nomura said in an email Friday. “We believe that on reasonable growth projections the size of China’s economy in USD terms will overtake the US in 2028.”

    On the other hand, the U.S. and the West's plan for sourcing outside of China will likely delay that date, but I can state as a fact that the U.S. economy is going to grow at a very fast rate in Q3 and Q4 of this year, due to vaccinations.  

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/02/10percent-gdp-growth-the-us-economy-is-on-fire-and-is-about-to-get-stoked-even-more.html


    Yes, we get it.   You hate China and will say anything to demean them.  Got it.

    The painful truth that Bill Maher spoke but you try to ignore is that China, through hard work and wise leadership has improved the lives of its people and is surging ahead -- while the U.S. flounders in mediocrity.   So, what does the U.S. do?  Exactly what you do:  smear China.  It may make you feel better, for awhile, but it won't stop China's advance and it won't help the U.S. keep up to them.

    The U.S. needs to focus on its own deficiencies rather than those of the Chinese people.
    Did Tampa Bay trash talk Kansas City?   Or did they work hard and smart and make themselves the best that they can be?

    Strong players work hard and smart.   The weak ones trash talk others.   Which do you want the U.S. to be?

    edited March 2021
  • Reply 18 of 56
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    tmay said:
    tzeshan said:
    tmay said:
    tzeshan said:
    tmay said:
    Qualcomm is reportedly struggling to meet demand for processor silicon used in Android devices as a global chip shortage spreads across the electronics industry.

    Credit Qualcomm
    Credit: Qualcomm


    Demand for Qualcomm chips have soared in 2021 as Android makers close in on market share left by Huawei in the wake of U.S. sanctions. However, Qualcomm is finding it hard to meet the demand, partly because of a shortage of subcomponents used in its application processors.

    Because of that, Samsung is currently experiencing a shortage of Snapdragon chips, according to Reuters. That could impact production of mid- and low-end Samsung models, though another source said there was also supply concerns surrounding Qualcomm's new Snapdragon 888 processor.

    A senior executive at a top contract manufacturer for several major smartphone brands told Reuters it is also facing shortages of critical components from Qualcomm, and could cut handset shipments in 2021.

    The global processor shortage has been ongoing for several months. It first hit the automotive industry and has now spread to the consumer electronics market. In February, Xiaomi vice president Lu Weibing said that the situation is "not a shortage, it's an extreme shortage."

    Back in February, President Joe Biden took steps to boost the U.S. manufacturing of silicon to strengthen the international supply chain and mitigate the global shortages.

    For the most part, the supply situation is only affected Qualcomm's older processor technologies because it's currently directing resources toward newer silicon options. The shortage is also driving up the price of specific chip components.

    At this point, Qualcomm's supply troubles will likely have little effect on Apple. Although the Cupertino tech giant uses Qualcomm modems in its iPhone lineup, it designs and develops its own A-series chips that are produced by third-party contract manufacturer TSMC.

    Stay on top of the latest Apple news right from your HomePod. Say, "Hey, Siri, play AppleInsider," and you'll get latest AppleInsider Podcast. Or ask your HomePod mini for "AppleInsider Daily" instead and you'll hear a quick update direct from our news team. And, if you're interested in Apple-centric home automation, say "Hey, Siri, play HomeKit Insider," and you'll be listening to our newest specialized podcast in moments.

    The answer is simple:   End the silly, hateful, vindictive trade war with China cleverly disguised as "National Security".

    You can't shutter chip factories and limit production in other less direct ways -- and THEN whine about lack of production!
    ....  That's silly and childish.
    China has yet another problem;

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/mar/12/ioc-under-fire-after-dismissing-claims-of-genocide-against-uighurs-in-china

    I can see a Winter Olympics boycott on the horizon...yet you still ignore what is happening to the Uighurs, Hong Kong, and Taiwan. Fortunately, the rest of the world is not.


    Genocide is the intentional action to destroy a people—usually defined as an ethnicnationalracial, or religious group—in whole or in part. A term coined by Raphael Lemkin in his 1944 book Axis Rule in Occupied Europe,[1][2] the hybrid word geno-cide is a combination of the Greek word γένος (genos, "race, people") and the Latinsuffix -caedo ("act of killing").[3]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide

    And
    Ethnic groups in Xinjiang
    根据2015年底人口抽查统计 [189]
    NationalityPopulationPercentage
    Uyghur11,303,30046.42%
    Han8,611,00038.99%
    Kazakh1,591,2007.02%
    Hui1,015,8004.54%
    Kirghiz202,2000.88%
    Mongols180,6000.83%
    Tajiks50,1000.21%
    Xibe43,2000.20%
    Manchu27,5150.11%
    Tujia15,7870.086%
    Uzbek18,7690.066%
    Russian11,8000.048%
    Miao7,0060.038%
    Tibetan6,1530.033%
    Zhuang5,6420.031%
    Tatar5,1830.024%
    Salar3,7620.020%
    Other129,1900.600%

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang#Vital_statistics


    Yeh, it's pretty much a dead giveaway that somebody is running a (mostly) baseless smear campaign when they have to introduce hyperbole into to the argument.  Especially if they have to redefine words to suck off of their normal meaning.  People who have legitimate arguments don't have to resort to such childish tactics.

    But, as I said, those that do use such tactics expose their argument as baseless.

    As for an Olympic Boycott:  that would be more justified against the U.S. where we have militarized police executing (or is it committing "genocide" against?) innocent black people?
    What I think doesn't matter in the big picture, and I don't determine policy;

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-usa-xinjiang/u-s-says-no-change-in-its-genocide-determination-for-chinas-xinjiang-idUSKBN2B12LG

    "WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States has not seen any developments that would change its determination that China committed genocide and crimes against humanity in its treatment of Uighur Muslims in the western region of Xinjiang, State Department spokesman Ned Price said on Tuesday.

    “We have seen nothing that would change our assessment,” Price said. The Biden administration has endorsed a last-minute determination by the Trump administration that China has committed genocide in Xinjiang. Beijing denies the charges."

    Neither you not tzeshan have been able to produce any information denying that it happened, which is par for the course, but given that the PRC will not allow any independent investigation, this is all on the PRC, not the U.S.

    US-China relation is the most difficult part of US foreign policy. It originated from the conflict between western culture which emphasizes total freedom and love and Chinese culture which emphasizes facts and regulation. History doesn't lie. US Congress passed the Chinese Exclusion Act in 1880 when there was no communism or CCP. Some Americans have tried to change this. But the election of Trump proved that this culture is firmly planted in other Americans. China has tried hard to rebuild the country without invading other nations instead by hard working to produce goods for other nations. Apple succeeded by working with China to become the most valuable company in the world. But some China haters and Apple haters try to break this relationship. 

    Don't give these idiots so much credit.
    The root of the current batch of "I hate China" stems from the fact that they will soon over take us as the world's leading economy.
    That is not only humiliating to these so called patriots but, aside from the financial and economic manifestations, it puts the lie to their contention that Democracy and Free Market capitalism is inherently superior to autocracy and socialism.
    (Here's a hint:  wise, caring leadership counts for a lot more than any ideology.)

    You might enjoy this piece from Bill Maher on "Clown and Country"


    We have wise, caring, leadership today in the U.S., and every adult that wants it will have vaccine access by May 1, and the U.S. hasn't had to rely on cutting corners as the SinoVac from China has. China will be far behind the U.S., and is attempting to use its vaccine to leverage diplomacy. But, hey, Maher has his own show, and can do what he wants.

    Bill Maher barely acknowledges human rights violations in Xinjiang, but John Oliver certainly does;

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17oCQakzIl8

    So, your attempt to "bury the lede" on human rights violations in China, by posting a screed by Bill Maher on comparative economies fails. You probably aren't even cognizant to the fact that the U.S., at a quarter the size of China, is still the leading economy, and will be through the end of the decade. China, for all of its massive construction will also find out that "what you strive to attain, you must also maintain", a huge cost that every country bears for its existing infrastructure.

    I gave up watching Bill Maher when I gave up cable and HBO, near twenty years ago. He isn't anything but provocative.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/01/new-chart-shows-china-gdp-could-overtake-us-sooner-as-covid-took-its-toll.html

    "“This (divergence in growth) is consistent with our view that the pandemic has been a much larger blow to the US economy than China’s economy,” Rob Subbaraman of Nomura said in an email Friday. “We believe that on reasonable growth projections the size of China’s economy in USD terms will overtake the US in 2028.”

    On the other hand, the U.S. and the West's plan for sourcing outside of China will likely delay that date, but I can state as a fact that the U.S. economy is going to grow at a very fast rate in Q3 and Q4 of this year, due to vaccinations.  

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/02/10percent-gdp-growth-the-us-economy-is-on-fire-and-is-about-to-get-stoked-even-more.html


    This is what your China hatred buys:  A former trading partner aligning themselves with a known enemy who has attacked out country multiple times (after we tried to entice one of their former allies over to our side).
    That's dumb.   Really, really dumb.

    So now:   Russia isn't going to take our shit anymore -- and neither is China.
    But go ahead and keep backing Trump's cold war.
    ... But maybe if we build more ICBMs and aircraft carriers -- or up the trash talk -- they will come over to our side.   /s
    ST PETERSBURG RUSSIA - JUNE 6 2019 Chinas Persident Xi Jinping L and Russias President Vladimir Putin shake hands at a ceremony at St Petersburg University in which Xi Jinping was awarded St Petersburg University honorary doctoral degree


    • Russia and China’s space agencies signed an agreement this week to create an International Scientific Lunar Station.
    • Russia also apparently rebuked NASA’s invitation to join the Artemis project that aims to put people back on the moon by 2024.
    • That follows a quarter of century of U.S.-Russian space cooperation, launched by those who dreamed of post-Cold War reconciliation.
    • Russia’s growing strategic bond with China is the latest evidence the Western approach to Moscow has failed to produce the desired results.

    edited March 2021
  • Reply 19 of 56
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,328member
    tmay said:
    tzeshan said:
    tmay said:
    tzeshan said:
    tmay said:
    Qualcomm is reportedly struggling to meet demand for processor silicon used in Android devices as a global chip shortage spreads across the electronics industry.

    Credit Qualcomm
    Credit: Qualcomm


    Demand for Qualcomm chips have soared in 2021 as Android makers close in on market share left by Huawei in the wake of U.S. sanctions. However, Qualcomm is finding it hard to meet the demand, partly because of a shortage of subcomponents used in its application processors.

    Because of that, Samsung is currently experiencing a shortage of Snapdragon chips, according to Reuters. That could impact production of mid- and low-end Samsung models, though another source said there was also supply concerns surrounding Qualcomm's new Snapdragon 888 processor.

    A senior executive at a top contract manufacturer for several major smartphone brands told Reuters it is also facing shortages of critical components from Qualcomm, and could cut handset shipments in 2021.

    The global processor shortage has been ongoing for several months. It first hit the automotive industry and has now spread to the consumer electronics market. In February, Xiaomi vice president Lu Weibing said that the situation is "not a shortage, it's an extreme shortage."

    Back in February, President Joe Biden took steps to boost the U.S. manufacturing of silicon to strengthen the international supply chain and mitigate the global shortages.

    For the most part, the supply situation is only affected Qualcomm's older processor technologies because it's currently directing resources toward newer silicon options. The shortage is also driving up the price of specific chip components.

    At this point, Qualcomm's supply troubles will likely have little effect on Apple. Although the Cupertino tech giant uses Qualcomm modems in its iPhone lineup, it designs and develops its own A-series chips that are produced by third-party contract manufacturer TSMC.

    Stay on top of the latest Apple news right from your HomePod. Say, "Hey, Siri, play AppleInsider," and you'll get latest AppleInsider Podcast. Or ask your HomePod mini for "AppleInsider Daily" instead and you'll hear a quick update direct from our news team. And, if you're interested in Apple-centric home automation, say "Hey, Siri, play HomeKit Insider," and you'll be listening to our newest specialized podcast in moments.

    The answer is simple:   End the silly, hateful, vindictive trade war with China cleverly disguised as "National Security".

    You can't shutter chip factories and limit production in other less direct ways -- and THEN whine about lack of production!
    ....  That's silly and childish.
    China has yet another problem;

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/mar/12/ioc-under-fire-after-dismissing-claims-of-genocide-against-uighurs-in-china

    I can see a Winter Olympics boycott on the horizon...yet you still ignore what is happening to the Uighurs, Hong Kong, and Taiwan. Fortunately, the rest of the world is not.


    Genocide is the intentional action to destroy a people—usually defined as an ethnicnationalracial, or religious group—in whole or in part. A term coined by Raphael Lemkin in his 1944 book Axis Rule in Occupied Europe,[1][2] the hybrid word geno-cide is a combination of the Greek word γένος (genos, "race, people") and the Latinsuffix -caedo ("act of killing").[3]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide

    And
    Ethnic groups in Xinjiang
    根据2015年底人口抽查统计 [189]
    NationalityPopulationPercentage
    Uyghur11,303,30046.42%
    Han8,611,00038.99%
    Kazakh1,591,2007.02%
    Hui1,015,8004.54%
    Kirghiz202,2000.88%
    Mongols180,6000.83%
    Tajiks50,1000.21%
    Xibe43,2000.20%
    Manchu27,5150.11%
    Tujia15,7870.086%
    Uzbek18,7690.066%
    Russian11,8000.048%
    Miao7,0060.038%
    Tibetan6,1530.033%
    Zhuang5,6420.031%
    Tatar5,1830.024%
    Salar3,7620.020%
    Other129,1900.600%

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang#Vital_statistics


    Yeh, it's pretty much a dead giveaway that somebody is running a (mostly) baseless smear campaign when they have to introduce hyperbole into to the argument.  Especially if they have to redefine words to suck off of their normal meaning.  People who have legitimate arguments don't have to resort to such childish tactics.

    But, as I said, those that do use such tactics expose their argument as baseless.

    As for an Olympic Boycott:  that would be more justified against the U.S. where we have militarized police executing (or is it committing "genocide" against?) innocent black people?
    What I think doesn't matter in the big picture, and I don't determine policy;

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-usa-xinjiang/u-s-says-no-change-in-its-genocide-determination-for-chinas-xinjiang-idUSKBN2B12LG

    "WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States has not seen any developments that would change its determination that China committed genocide and crimes against humanity in its treatment of Uighur Muslims in the western region of Xinjiang, State Department spokesman Ned Price said on Tuesday.

    “We have seen nothing that would change our assessment,” Price said. The Biden administration has endorsed a last-minute determination by the Trump administration that China has committed genocide in Xinjiang. Beijing denies the charges."

    Neither you not tzeshan have been able to produce any information denying that it happened, which is par for the course, but given that the PRC will not allow any independent investigation, this is all on the PRC, not the U.S.

    US-China relation is the most difficult part of US foreign policy. It originated from the conflict between western culture which emphasizes total freedom and love and Chinese culture which emphasizes facts and regulation. History doesn't lie. US Congress passed the Chinese Exclusion Act in 1880 when there was no communism or CCP. Some Americans have tried to change this. But the election of Trump proved that this culture is firmly planted in other Americans. China has tried hard to rebuild the country without invading other nations instead by hard working to produce goods for other nations. Apple succeeded by working with China to become the most valuable company in the world. But some China haters and Apple haters try to break this relationship. 

    Don't give these idiots so much credit.
    The root of the current batch of "I hate China" stems from the fact that they will soon over take us as the world's leading economy.
    That is not only humiliating to these so called patriots but, aside from the financial and economic manifestations, it puts the lie to their contention that Democracy and Free Market capitalism is inherently superior to autocracy and socialism.
    (Here's a hint:  wise, caring leadership counts for a lot more than any ideology.)

    You might enjoy this piece from Bill Maher on "Clown and Country"


    We have wise, caring, leadership today in the U.S., and every adult that wants it will have vaccine access by May 1, and the U.S. hasn't had to rely on cutting corners as the SinoVac from China has. China will be far behind the U.S., and is attempting to use its vaccine to leverage diplomacy. But, hey, Maher has his own show, and can do what he wants.

    Bill Maher barely acknowledges human rights violations in Xinjiang, but John Oliver certainly does;

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17oCQakzIl8

    So, your attempt to "bury the lede" on human rights violations in China, by posting a screed by Bill Maher on comparative economies fails. You probably aren't even cognizant to the fact that the U.S., at a quarter the size of China, is still the leading economy, and will be through the end of the decade. China, for all of its massive construction will also find out that "what you strive to attain, you must also maintain", a huge cost that every country bears for its existing infrastructure.

    I gave up watching Bill Maher when I gave up cable and HBO, near twenty years ago. He isn't anything but provocative.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/01/new-chart-shows-china-gdp-could-overtake-us-sooner-as-covid-took-its-toll.html

    "“This (divergence in growth) is consistent with our view that the pandemic has been a much larger blow to the US economy than China’s economy,” Rob Subbaraman of Nomura said in an email Friday. “We believe that on reasonable growth projections the size of China’s economy in USD terms will overtake the US in 2028.”

    On the other hand, the U.S. and the West's plan for sourcing outside of China will likely delay that date, but I can state as a fact that the U.S. economy is going to grow at a very fast rate in Q3 and Q4 of this year, due to vaccinations.  

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/02/10percent-gdp-growth-the-us-economy-is-on-fire-and-is-about-to-get-stoked-even-more.html


    This is what your China hatred buys:  A former trading partner aligning themselves with a known enemy who has attacked out country multiple times (after we tried to entice one of their former allies over to our side).
    That's dumb.   Really, really dumb.

    So now:   Russia isn't going to take our shit anymore -- and neither is China.
    But go ahead and keep backing Trump's cold war.
    ... But maybe if we build more ICBMs and aircraft carriers -- or up the trash talk -- they will come over to our side.   /s
    ST PETERSBURG RUSSIA - JUNE 6 2019 Chinas Persident Xi Jinping L and Russias President Vladimir Putin shake hands at a ceremony at St Petersburg University in which Xi Jinping was awarded St Petersburg University honorary doctoral degree


    • Russia and China’s space agencies signed an agreement this week to create an International Scientific Lunar Station.
    • Russia also apparently rebuked NASA’s invitation to join the Artemis project that aims to put people back on the moon by 2024.
    • That follows a quarter of century of U.S.-Russian space cooperation, launched by those who dreamed of post-Cold War reconciliation.
    • Russia’s growing strategic bond with China is the latest evidence the Western approach to Moscow has failed to produce the desired results.

    Okay...from your mouth to God's ear.

    LOL!
  • Reply 20 of 56
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tzeshan said:
    tmay said:
    tzeshan said:
    tmay said:
    Qualcomm is reportedly struggling to meet demand for processor silicon used in Android devices as a global chip shortage spreads across the electronics industry.

    Credit Qualcomm
    Credit: Qualcomm


    Demand for Qualcomm chips have soared in 2021 as Android makers close in on market share left by Huawei in the wake of U.S. sanctions. However, Qualcomm is finding it hard to meet the demand, partly because of a shortage of subcomponents used in its application processors.

    Because of that, Samsung is currently experiencing a shortage of Snapdragon chips, according to Reuters. That could impact production of mid- and low-end Samsung models, though another source said there was also supply concerns surrounding Qualcomm's new Snapdragon 888 processor.

    A senior executive at a top contract manufacturer for several major smartphone brands told Reuters it is also facing shortages of critical components from Qualcomm, and could cut handset shipments in 2021.

    The global processor shortage has been ongoing for several months. It first hit the automotive industry and has now spread to the consumer electronics market. In February, Xiaomi vice president Lu Weibing said that the situation is "not a shortage, it's an extreme shortage."

    Back in February, President Joe Biden took steps to boost the U.S. manufacturing of silicon to strengthen the international supply chain and mitigate the global shortages.

    For the most part, the supply situation is only affected Qualcomm's older processor technologies because it's currently directing resources toward newer silicon options. The shortage is also driving up the price of specific chip components.

    At this point, Qualcomm's supply troubles will likely have little effect on Apple. Although the Cupertino tech giant uses Qualcomm modems in its iPhone lineup, it designs and develops its own A-series chips that are produced by third-party contract manufacturer TSMC.

    Stay on top of the latest Apple news right from your HomePod. Say, "Hey, Siri, play AppleInsider," and you'll get latest AppleInsider Podcast. Or ask your HomePod mini for "AppleInsider Daily" instead and you'll hear a quick update direct from our news team. And, if you're interested in Apple-centric home automation, say "Hey, Siri, play HomeKit Insider," and you'll be listening to our newest specialized podcast in moments.

    The answer is simple:   End the silly, hateful, vindictive trade war with China cleverly disguised as "National Security".

    You can't shutter chip factories and limit production in other less direct ways -- and THEN whine about lack of production!
    ....  That's silly and childish.
    China has yet another problem;

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/mar/12/ioc-under-fire-after-dismissing-claims-of-genocide-against-uighurs-in-china

    I can see a Winter Olympics boycott on the horizon...yet you still ignore what is happening to the Uighurs, Hong Kong, and Taiwan. Fortunately, the rest of the world is not.


    Genocide is the intentional action to destroy a people—usually defined as an ethnicnationalracial, or religious group—in whole or in part. A term coined by Raphael Lemkin in his 1944 book Axis Rule in Occupied Europe,[1][2] the hybrid word geno-cide is a combination of the Greek word γένος (genos, "race, people") and the Latinsuffix -caedo ("act of killing").[3]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide

    And
    Ethnic groups in Xinjiang
    根据2015年底人口抽查统计 [189]
    NationalityPopulationPercentage
    Uyghur11,303,30046.42%
    Han8,611,00038.99%
    Kazakh1,591,2007.02%
    Hui1,015,8004.54%
    Kirghiz202,2000.88%
    Mongols180,6000.83%
    Tajiks50,1000.21%
    Xibe43,2000.20%
    Manchu27,5150.11%
    Tujia15,7870.086%
    Uzbek18,7690.066%
    Russian11,8000.048%
    Miao7,0060.038%
    Tibetan6,1530.033%
    Zhuang5,6420.031%
    Tatar5,1830.024%
    Salar3,7620.020%
    Other129,1900.600%

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang#Vital_statistics


    Yeh, it's pretty much a dead giveaway that somebody is running a (mostly) baseless smear campaign when they have to introduce hyperbole into to the argument.  Especially if they have to redefine words to suck off of their normal meaning.  People who have legitimate arguments don't have to resort to such childish tactics.

    But, as I said, those that do use such tactics expose their argument as baseless.

    As for an Olympic Boycott:  that would be more justified against the U.S. where we have militarized police executing (or is it committing "genocide" against?) innocent black people?
    What I think doesn't matter in the big picture, and I don't determine policy;

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-usa-xinjiang/u-s-says-no-change-in-its-genocide-determination-for-chinas-xinjiang-idUSKBN2B12LG

    "WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States has not seen any developments that would change its determination that China committed genocide and crimes against humanity in its treatment of Uighur Muslims in the western region of Xinjiang, State Department spokesman Ned Price said on Tuesday.

    “We have seen nothing that would change our assessment,” Price said. The Biden administration has endorsed a last-minute determination by the Trump administration that China has committed genocide in Xinjiang. Beijing denies the charges."

    Neither you not tzeshan have been able to produce any information denying that it happened, which is par for the course, but given that the PRC will not allow any independent investigation, this is all on the PRC, not the U.S.

    US-China relation is the most difficult part of US foreign policy. It originated from the conflict between western culture which emphasizes total freedom and love and Chinese culture which emphasizes facts and regulation. History doesn't lie. US Congress passed the Chinese Exclusion Act in 1880 when there was no communism or CCP. Some Americans have tried to change this. But the election of Trump proved that this culture is firmly planted in other Americans. China has tried hard to rebuild the country without invading other nations instead by hard working to produce goods for other nations. Apple succeeded by working with China to become the most valuable company in the world. But some China haters and Apple haters try to break this relationship. 

    Don't give these idiots so much credit.
    The root of the current batch of "I hate China" stems from the fact that they will soon over take us as the world's leading economy.
    That is not only humiliating to these so called patriots but, aside from the financial and economic manifestations, it puts the lie to their contention that Democracy and Free Market capitalism is inherently superior to autocracy and socialism.
    (Here's a hint:  wise, caring leadership counts for a lot more than any ideology.)

    You might enjoy this piece from Bill Maher on "Clown and Country"


    We have wise, caring, leadership today in the U.S., and every adult that wants it will have vaccine access by May 1, and the U.S. hasn't had to rely on cutting corners as the SinoVac from China has. China will be far behind the U.S., and is attempting to use its vaccine to leverage diplomacy. But, hey, Maher has his own show, and can do what he wants.

    Bill Maher barely acknowledges human rights violations in Xinjiang, but John Oliver certainly does;

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17oCQakzIl8

    So, your attempt to "bury the lede" on human rights violations in China, by posting a screed by Bill Maher on comparative economies fails. You probably aren't even cognizant to the fact that the U.S., at a quarter the size of China, is still the leading economy, and will be through the end of the decade. China, for all of its massive construction will also find out that "what you strive to attain, you must also maintain", a huge cost that every country bears for its existing infrastructure.

    I gave up watching Bill Maher when I gave up cable and HBO, near twenty years ago. He isn't anything but provocative.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/01/new-chart-shows-china-gdp-could-overtake-us-sooner-as-covid-took-its-toll.html

    "“This (divergence in growth) is consistent with our view that the pandemic has been a much larger blow to the US economy than China’s economy,” Rob Subbaraman of Nomura said in an email Friday. “We believe that on reasonable growth projections the size of China’s economy in USD terms will overtake the US in 2028.”

    On the other hand, the U.S. and the West's plan for sourcing outside of China will likely delay that date, but I can state as a fact that the U.S. economy is going to grow at a very fast rate in Q3 and Q4 of this year, due to vaccinations.  

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/02/10percent-gdp-growth-the-us-economy-is-on-fire-and-is-about-to-get-stoked-even-more.html


    This is what your China hatred buys:  A former trading partner aligning themselves with a known enemy who has attacked out country multiple times (after we tried to entice one of their former allies over to our side).
    That's dumb.   Really, really dumb.

    So now:   Russia isn't going to take our shit anymore -- and neither is China.
    But go ahead and keep backing Trump's cold war.
    ... But maybe if we build more ICBMs and aircraft carriers -- or up the trash talk -- they will come over to our side.   /s
    ST PETERSBURG RUSSIA - JUNE 6 2019 Chinas Persident Xi Jinping L and Russias President Vladimir Putin shake hands at a ceremony at St Petersburg University in which Xi Jinping was awarded St Petersburg University honorary doctoral degree


    • Russia and China’s space agencies signed an agreement this week to create an International Scientific Lunar Station.
    • Russia also apparently rebuked NASA’s invitation to join the Artemis project that aims to put people back on the moon by 2024.
    • That follows a quarter of century of U.S.-Russian space cooperation, launched by those who dreamed of post-Cold War reconciliation.
    • Russia’s growing strategic bond with China is the latest evidence the Western approach to Moscow has failed to produce the desired results.

    Okay...from your mouth to God's ear.

    LOL!

    Before you attack an enemy you should probably make sure that they are an enemy.  If not, they will be.
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