I wouldn't be surprised if Apple didn't attend MWNY now or MW Boston 2004. WWDC is now Apple's big summer event.
That's what I was trying to express above. WWDC is going to turn into the second must-attend event, alongside MWSF. As an Apple event, MWNY/Boston is dead. It only makes sense that Apple would try to space MWSF and WWDC six months apart (beyond the Panther and 970 reasons, which are the subject of this thread).
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Originally posted by moki
...yep, and yet they did. Things that make you go "hmmm", hmmm?
So what's the scoop, moki? Don't be shy! There has to be something more that you can give us.
BTW, iSeek looks like it's going to be a killer menubar application. However, you need to fix the links in your sig.
...yep, and yet they did. Things that make you go "hmmm", hmmm?
I'm definitely "hmmm'ing" over here in my corner. I'm almost tempted to foot the bill personally and attend this one. I'll have to work on my manager a bit first...
It makes sense though -- the transition from 32-bit to 64-bit will be the largest transition since the 68K->PPC migration 9 years ago. Even the move from Classic to MacOS X isn't quite as big (being software only and a long time in coming).
I know there are weak points in this theory but maybe Apple is trying to avoid the war. Maybe they think it will be over or at least less interesting to the public by then. i realize that businesses will keep on functioning despite the war, but it may be a reason to move the WWDC
I know there are weak points in this theory but maybe Apple is trying to avoid the war. Maybe they think it will be over or at least less interesting to the public by then. i realize that businesses will keep on functioning despite the war, but it may be a reason to move the WWDC
I was thinking the same thing.
I think all of you will be majorly disappointed. I am not saying I know anything but, San Francisco does give them a larger venue and as some have stated they were running out of room in San Jose.
If they wanted this to be one of the must attend events of the year, up there with MacWorld San Francisco they would have priced it accordingly. I have thought about going and I am just an aspiring developer, who loves all this stuff but I cannot afford it so it is obviously not a must attend event.
I hope I am wrong. I am also hoping that some of the remaining 30 tracks on Apple's WWDC Conference Tracks deal with developing accordingly to 64 bit.
Sorry to be the party pooper guys but just being realistic \
I know there are weak points in this theory but maybe Apple is trying to avoid the war. Maybe they think it will be over or at least less interesting to the public by then. i realize that businesses will keep on functioning despite the war, but it may be a reason to move the WWDC
If the war lasts 2 months then it'll just as likely last 3. I'd be surprised if they moved the conference for that reason. The running out of room reason isn't great either because they've known for some time that they were rolling in other events and that attendance has been growing... they would have relocated & rescheduled earlier if that were the root cause.
You're right, it might not be what we hope but there is no denying that it is weird.
If they wanted this to be one of the must attend events of the year, up there with MacWorld San Francisco they would have priced it accordingly. I have thought about going and I am just an aspiring developer, who loves all this stuff but I cannot afford it so it is obviously not a must attend event.
Actually, I disagree... If it was just because of Panther, they wouldn't have moved the venue. Also, they would probably have a limit for the number of people who can attend this conference. I know, because I work for a company who does Trade Show Registration.
Apple wouldn't change the venue, unless they had to. It could be because the San Jose site was already booked for that group of days (which I highly doubt).
Or more likely it was because they had something more to give. Also, I don't think they have said what all of their tracks are. Even if they had, more than likely they could say they were talking about Panther (in regards to 64bit).
Apple is a very cagey company. Trying to predict them is difficult at best. However I think all signs point to something larger than just "Panther".
Yea, very interesting. As to the 'panther not ready or behind schedule' debate, why would Apple tick off how ever many attendees and make them all scramble to re-schedule, pay cancelation fees and more for bookings on different days because their Panther seed won't be a build mature enough? That's doesn't jive. As noted above, Apple could simply discuss Panther and mail everyone a CD the following month. This is coupled with something larger. Also, is the new venue larger?
Secondly, I know Adobe is hard coding away PS 8 to be all cocoa and released this fall. How mad are they going to be having to 64 bit their code? I would think PS would benefit somewhat from 64 bitness but i admit my knowledge of such is basically nonexistent.
I just know some companies ported to carbon then maybe make the transistion to cocoa and then to 64 bit. Do all apps need to be made 64 bit ready and how hard is it to go from current cocoa/carbon 32 bit to 64 bit?
I think all of you will be majorly disappointed. I am not saying I know anything but, San Francisco does give them a larger venue and as some have stated they were running out of room in San Jose.
Yeah... Remember the "Way beyond the rumor sites!"...?
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I think that it being moved and rescheduled differently isn't the cause of something such as lack of space, or not-so readiness of Panther. Although these things may contribute to the change in a way, I think that there has got to be something more going on here. My guess is that Steve Jobs will have a Keynote and this keynote will be extraordinary. I am expecting and/or hoping for a new iPod update, a 15" PowerBook refresh, Panther (64-bit of coarse), Quite possibly the introduction of a redesigned PowerMac G5 (PPC 970), and maybe one more thing from Apple which will remain a surprise. Apple has a way of making us all think one thing, and then doing something completely different yet so awesome that we forget what we were hoping for.
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Originally posted by Programmer
Wow, when I read the title of this thread I thought it was a joke or somebody was smoking cracking. Apple never moves WWDC..
...yep, and yet they did. Things that make you go "hmmm", hmmm?
Originally posted by Willoughby
I wouldn't be surprised if Apple didn't attend MWNY now or MW Boston 2004. WWDC is now Apple's big summer event.
That's what I was trying to express above. WWDC is going to turn into the second must-attend event, alongside MWSF. As an Apple event, MWNY/Boston is dead. It only makes sense that Apple would try to space MWSF and WWDC six months apart (beyond the Panther and 970 reasons, which are the subject of this thread).
Originally posted by moki
...yep, and yet they did. Things that make you go "hmmm", hmmm?
So what's the scoop, moki? Don't be shy! There has to be something more that you can give us.
BTW, iSeek looks like it's going to be a killer menubar application. However, you need to fix the links in your sig.
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Originally posted by moki
...yep, and yet they did. Things that make you go "hmmm", hmmm?
I'm definitely "hmmm'ing" over here in my corner. I'm almost tempted to foot the bill personally and attend this one. I'll have to work on my manager a bit first...
It makes sense though -- the transition from 32-bit to 64-bit will be the largest transition since the 68K->PPC migration 9 years ago. Even the move from Classic to MacOS X isn't quite as big (being software only and a long time in coming).
We live in interesting times...
Originally posted by Rmh1572
I know there are weak points in this theory but maybe Apple is trying to avoid the war. Maybe they think it will be over or at least less interesting to the public by then. i realize that businesses will keep on functioning despite the war, but it may be a reason to move the WWDC
I was thinking the same thing.
I think all of you will be majorly disappointed. I am not saying I know anything but, San Francisco does give them a larger venue and as some have stated they were running out of room in San Jose.
If they wanted this to be one of the must attend events of the year, up there with MacWorld San Francisco they would have priced it accordingly. I have thought about going and I am just an aspiring developer, who loves all this stuff but I cannot afford it so it is obviously not a must attend event.
I hope I am wrong. I am also hoping that some of the remaining 30 tracks on Apple's WWDC Conference Tracks deal with developing accordingly to 64 bit.
Sorry to be the party pooper guys but just being realistic
Originally posted by Rmh1572
I know there are weak points in this theory but maybe Apple is trying to avoid the war. Maybe they think it will be over or at least less interesting to the public by then. i realize that businesses will keep on functioning despite the war, but it may be a reason to move the WWDC
If the war lasts 2 months then it'll just as likely last 3. I'd be surprised if they moved the conference for that reason. The running out of room reason isn't great either because they've known for some time that they were rolling in other events and that attendance has been growing... they would have relocated & rescheduled earlier if that were the root cause.
You're right, it might not be what we hope but there is no denying that it is weird.
Originally posted by Jared
If they wanted this to be one of the must attend events of the year, up there with MacWorld San Francisco they would have priced it accordingly. I have thought about going and I am just an aspiring developer, who loves all this stuff but I cannot afford it so it is obviously not a must attend event.
Actually, I disagree... If it was just because of Panther, they wouldn't have moved the venue. Also, they would probably have a limit for the number of people who can attend this conference. I know, because I work for a company who does Trade Show Registration.
Apple wouldn't change the venue, unless they had to. It could be because the San Jose site was already booked for that group of days (which I highly doubt).
Or more likely it was because they had something more to give. Also, I don't think they have said what all of their tracks are. Even if they had, more than likely they could say they were talking about Panther (in regards to 64bit).
Apple is a very cagey company. Trying to predict them is difficult at best. However I think all signs point to something larger than just "Panther".
Secondly, I know Adobe is hard coding away PS 8 to be all cocoa and released this fall. How mad are they going to be having to 64 bit their code? I would think PS would benefit somewhat from 64 bitness but i admit my knowledge of such is basically nonexistent.
I just know some companies ported to carbon then maybe make the transistion to cocoa and then to 64 bit. Do all apps need to be made 64 bit ready and how hard is it to go from current cocoa/carbon 32 bit to 64 bit?
What? Check that logic, mate.
Originally posted by KidRed
Secondly, I know Adobe is hard coding away PS 8 to be all cocoa and released this fall.
BS! PS8 will be a carbon app.
What? Check that logic, mate.
Originally posted by Jared
I think all of you will be majorly disappointed. I am not saying I know anything but, San Francisco does give them a larger venue and as some have stated they were running out of room in San Jose.
Yeah... Remember the "Way beyond the rumor sites!"...?
Originally posted by mrmister
" I cannot afford it so it is obviously not a must attend event. "
What? Check that logic, mate.
I know I speak for a lot of people. If it were a must attend event like I said, then it would be cheaper for the die hard Macintosh fans...
Originally posted by T'hain Esh Kelch
Yeah... Remember the "Way beyond the rumor sites!"...?
Sure but wasn't that hype for MacWorld San Francisco 2002? Or are you in agreement with me?
Originally posted by JLL
BS! PS8 will be a carbon app.
Really? So I guess they are just cleaning up the code and removing extra stuff? OK, I assumed they were going to cocoa, my bad.
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