WWDC delayed for Panther and 970?

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  • Reply 61 of 169
    Or



    4. Cuz Steve said so
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  • Reply 62 of 169
    dhagan4755dhagan4755 Posts: 2,152member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by jante99

    Also, do they say this every year before WWDC, ie come look at the future of the Mac platform?



    Interesting hidden message perhaps?



    "Get an in-depth look at the future of the Mac platform AND a preview release of the next major version of Mac OS X, codenamed "Panther", at Worldwide Developers Conference 2003, June 23-27, in San Francisco." (emphasis mine)



    Although it could be one of those depends on what the definition of "is" is things, but it sounds like it's talking about two different items will discussed:



    1) Future of the Mac Platform

    2) Panther (10.3)
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  • Reply 63 of 169
    Matthew Rothenberg has weighed in on the WWDC reschedule/relocation and ties it to a deemphasis of MWNY:



    "Industry sources concurred with a recent report on Mac-focused Web site Think Secret that Apple CEO Steve Jobs plans to leave his traditional keynote spot at Macworld Expo to Senior Vice President of Worldwide Product Marketing Philip Schiller. The move will reportedly also precipitate a name change for the show that will focus on the content creation market. If Apple goes through with the plan, it will position WWDC as the main summer forum for a Jobs keynote. "



    It seems clear to me that Apple is abandoning all trade shows on the east coast and that the WWDC will be become the main summer event for the Mac platform. If Phil gives the keynote at MWNY, that gaurantees no intro of the 970. I think Steve's gonna show it all at WWDC in June: 970 based Power Macs, Panther, 64 bit, everything. It may not all be ready for immediate sale, but the cat(s) will be let out of the bag.
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  • Reply 64 of 169
    nebagakidnebagakid Posts: 2,692member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Telomar

    As far as I can see there's only three reasons to move it.



    1. Something you want to show is badly behind schedule and if you don't push it back you risk not being able to discuss it at such a sizeable developer event until the following year (although they could hold workshops).



    2. You're ahead of schedule and think you can squeeze something in if you just push it back a month.



    3. You are delaying showing something or technical difficulties/conflicts have forced a reschedule.






    Those seem like really plausible reasons... I do agree!
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  • Reply 65 of 169
    dhagan4755dhagan4755 Posts: 2,152member
    Just came into my "Inbox"...



    Quote:

    Dear Developer,



    We wanted you to be among the first to know that Apple has

    rescheduled WWDC 2003 in order to provide attendees with a preview

    CD and in-depth session coverage of the next major release of Mac OS

    X, codenamed "Panther." WWDC will take place June 23-27 at Moscone

    West in San Francisco, California.



    This will be Apple's biggest WWDC ever, featuring:



    - Extensive coverage of "Panther"

    - A first-ever Enterprise IT Track

    - An expanded QuickTime Track that covers content creation and delivery

    - More than 170 detailed sessions, labs, and feedback forums

    - Expert guidance from Apple's technical architects and lead engineers

    - A unique opportunity to network with your peers in the Mac community



    And now -- WWDC is set against the dramatic backdrop of the "City by

    the Bay," San Francisco. This is one WWDC you won't want to miss!



    We posted more than 140 session descriptions on our web site today

    and there are more to come. We invite you to visit our site today

    for all the details. Session descriptions are available at

    http://developer.apple.com/wwdc/descriptions.html



    For five days this June, WWDC 2003 will bring the most innovative

    Mac developers together with Apple's best and brightest engineers in

    one of the world's most beautiful cities.



    Get empowered. Get inspired. Get registered.





    We hope to see you there.



    Apple Developer Connection

    http://developer.apple.com/wwdc



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  • Reply 66 of 169
    dhagan4755dhagan4755 Posts: 2,152member
    Seems as though the email does not hint at anything hardware and puts squarely into focus Panther.
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  • Reply 67 of 169
    jaredjared Posts: 639member
    Unless Apple is just not hyping hardware DHagan4755's post above does not lead me to believe that Apple will show off the 970.



    If in fact Apple's goal of switching the dates and the venue is to replace their East Coast "splash" then sure they will announce the 970, but this would also mean they will make Steve's keynote (he does it every year at WWDC so this is already a given) a QuickTime broadcast...which to my recollection they have never done in the past...
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  • Reply 68 of 169
    Quote:

    Originally posted by DHagan4755

    Seems as though the email does not hint at anything hardware and puts squarely into focus Panther.



    That is true, but if you were going to release a major processor why would you ruin the surprise.
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  • Reply 69 of 169
    camcam Posts: 35member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by TJM

    From: Apple WWDC Descriptions



    Track: Core OS

    At the heart of Mac OS X lies a strong and secure, yet flexible, foundation with features like preemptive multitasking, protected memory and real-time support. The stability and proud UNIX heritage of Mac OS X is reflected here in the core, providing developers who need to access the low-level services of Mac OS X - to write kernel extensions, manage security functions, or work with BSD commands - the power to create truly great applications.





    Max OS X State of the Union

    To Be Announced









    Max OS X ? Just a typo, I'm sure... but certainly an interesting one
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  • Reply 70 of 169
    strobestrobe Posts: 369member
    I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but looking at the list of presentations available (with and without descriptions) I'd say it's far more likely Apple will tout new QuickTime technologies in 10.3.
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  • Reply 71 of 169
    But...but...but. If Panther is 64 bit, what hardware would Apple demo it on? Or hasn't it been confirmed that Panther is indeed 64 bit?
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  • Reply 72 of 169
    strobestrobe Posts: 369member
    What do you mean by confirmed? Apple has yet to utter the number 64
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  • Reply 73 of 169
    jaredjared Posts: 639member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by strobe

    What do you mean by confirmed? Apple has yet to utter the number 64



    Actually they have, just not in the context that we want...
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  • Reply 74 of 169
    mokimoki Posts: 551member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Ensign Pulver

    It seems clear to me that Apple is abandoning all trade shows on the east coast and that the WWDC will be become the main summer event for the Mac platform. If Phil gives the keynote at MWNY, that gaurantees no intro of the 970. I think Steve's gonna show it all at WWDC in June: 970 based Power Macs, Panther, 64 bit, everything. It may not all be ready for immediate sale, but the cat(s) will be let out of the bag.



    A few random points here.



    -- Apple will be de-emphasizing expos for the Mac faithful. Fun as they are for all of us, they want to reach markets that they don't already own. Yes, Virginia, they are serious about the "switch" thing



    -- re: Panther being a 64 bit OS; I highly doubt it. Most likely the kernel will be tweaked so that it works on a 64 bit processor, but other than that, I'd guess that it will be effectively 32 bit as far as all running apps are concerned



    -- re: moving apps over to being 64 bit; yes, it will be easy to do, but no, I don't expect it to happen (or be possible) in the short term. This isn't a big deal; 64 bit addressing doesn't gain you anything, except in some very specific apps



    -- if I were Apple, I'd first make my OS work with a 64 bit chip, but keep everything else the same. Then in a future release, I'd change the kernel a bit so that *it* can take advantage of 64 bit addressing, handing off chunks of MMU-mapped memory to the running 32 bit apps, who would never know the difference (benefit: more than 4gb of addressable RAM). Finally, down the road, I'd make it 64 bit in userland, too, for apps that take advantage of it; for those they don't, I'd run 'em in 32 bit more (for compatibility reasons, to save memory, and to not slow things down unnecessarily)



    -- re: WWDC moving, it certainly seems to me that doing something like moving a conference such as this with relatively little notice means something important...
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  • Reply 75 of 169
    Quote:

    Originally posted by moki

    A few random points here.



    -- Apple will be de-emphasizing expos for the Mac faithful. Fun as they are for all of us, they want to reach markets that they don't already own. Yes, Virginia, they are serious about the "switch" thing



    -- re: Panther being a 64 bit OS; I highly doubt it. Most likely the kernel will be tweaked so that it works on a 64 bit processor, but other than that, I'd guess that it will be effectively 32 bit as far as all running apps are concerned



    -- re: moving apps over to being 64 bit; yes, it will be easy to do, but no, I don't expect it to happen (or be possible) in the short term. This isn't a big deal; 64 bit addressing doesn't gain you anything, except in some very specific apps



    -- if I were Apple, I'd first make my OS work with a 64 bit chip, but keep everything else the same. Then in a future release, I'd change the kernel a bit so that *it* can take advantage of 64 bit addressing, handing off chunks of MMU-mapped memory to the running 32 bit apps, who would never know the difference (benefit: more than 4gb of addressable RAM). Finally, down the road, I'd make it 64 bit in userland, too, for apps that take advantage of it; for those they don't, I'd run 'em in 32 bit more (for compatibility reasons, to save memory, and to not slow things down unnecessarily)



    -- re: WWDC moving, it certainly seems to me that doing something like moving a conference such as this with relatively little notice means something important...




    Good to hear Moki's take on all this.
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  • Reply 76 of 169
    strobestrobe Posts: 369member
    Did anybody take advantage of the G4's 36bit memory addressing?
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  • Reply 77 of 169
    Quote:

    Originally posted by moki

    -- re: WWDC moving, it certainly seems to me that doing something like moving a conference such as this with relatively little notice means something important...



    Maybe they just need some more time for making a good Panther preview available? After all, Apple needs to get everyone on the OSX boat, and it looks like WWDC is all about OSX...

    Quote:

    Originally posted by Jared

    Actually they have, just not in the context that we want...



    Well, where? I nor anyone else have seen any proof on OSX going 64 bit!
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  • Reply 78 of 169
    davegeedavegee Posts: 2,765member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by T'hain Esh Kelch

    Well, where? I nor anyone else have seen any proof on OSX going 64 bit!



    In Apple's developers site it does make mention of future 64 bit computing... I can't dig up the reference but I did see it... I think someone over at ars (in their GPUL thread) linked to it.



    Dave
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  • Reply 79 of 169
    Quote:

    Originally posted by T'hain Esh Kelch



    Well, where? I nor anyone else have seen any proof on OSX going 64 bit!




    It is mentioned in the context of portability on Apple's ADC pages.



    I am sure that someone here can give you the link.



    But Apple has 'uttered' the words 64-bit.
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  • Reply 80 of 169
    amorphamorph Posts: 7,112member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by strobe

    Did anybody take advantage of the G4's 36bit memory addressing?



    Somebody might have, but Apple didn't.



    Mac OS 9 was incapable of seeing more than 1.5GB of physical RAM, so there was no point.
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