Telegram founder says iPhone users are digital slaves

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in iPhone edited May 19
A Telegram founder says developing software for Apple feels like working in the Middle Ages, and calls anyone using an iPhone a "digital slave" amid Chinese surveillance accusations.

Telegram is a secure messaging app available across platforms
Telegram is a secure messaging app available across platforms


Pavel Durov is Telegram's founder and still works on the app for Apple platforms. He shared comments on the company in response to a New York Times investigation into Apple's relationship with China.

The comments were made on Durov's public Telegram channel and shared by a report from Android Central. His comments pile onto the accusations and negative commentary surrounding Apple during the Epic Games trial.

"Apple is very efficient at pursuing their business model, which is based on selling overpriced, obsolete hardware to customers locked in their ecosystem," Durov wrote. "Every time I have to use an iPhone to test our iOS app I feel like I'm thrown back into the Middle Ages. The iPhone's 60Hz displays can't compete with the 120Hz displays of modern Android phones that support much smoother animations."

It isn't clear what 120Hz versus 60Hz has to do with the Telegram messenger. The "obsolete" claim is questionable as well, as Apple's A-series processor still outperforms anything Android has to offer.

His remarks weren't limited to Apple's hardware.

"You are only allowed to use apps that Apple lets you install via their App Store, and you can only use Apple's iCloud to natively back up your data," he said.

"It's no wonder that Apple's totalitarian approach is so appreciated by the Communist Party of China, which - thanks to Apple - now has complete control over the apps and data of all of its citizens who rely on iPhones," Durov added.

The Telegram founder has plenty of reasons to have a stance against Apple. In 2018, Apple pulled the app from its platforms over concerns surrounding the distribution of child pornography on the platform. In 2020, Telegram opened a complaint with the European Commission over antitrust concerns.

Later, Apple was sued by the Coalition for a Safer Web for not removing Telegram for the same reasons as Parler.

Apple has been under the spotlight for its compliance with some Chinese laws. Many reports have accused Apple of using Chinese manufacturers that utilize Uyghur slaves. Apple has denied all accusations of compromising security of Chinese users and the use of slave labor.

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  • Reply 1 of 26
    BeatsBeats Posts: 2,527member
    They had iPhones in the Middle Ages?

    Is he a Millennial? Only a spoiled brat would call using an iPhone “slavery”. He sounds like quite the valley girl. He probably had a “bad day” because he couldn’t get a selfie right.

    He’a using a lot of iKnockoff user logic here too. He’s comparing the few Android models features to bash Apple and calling iPhones “obsolete”. LOL

    Anyone with a brain knows there’s more to the story here. Next he’s gonna call Apple anti-competitive and claim Telegram should be the stock iPhone App and it’s “only fair” that way. 
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  • Reply 2 of 26
    AppleZuluAppleZulu Posts: 1,184member
    Thanks to competition and the free market, this fellow has the choice to not interact in any way whatsoever with Apple, their hardware or their software. 

    Ah, but that's probably not what he really wants. He wants access to the wallets of Apple's customers, but doesn't want any of the accountability that Apple requires to get there. What none of the folks who take this position realize is that it's because of all that accountability, privacy, security and software stability that Apple mandates that Apple's customers are more desirable than the ones who opt for Android. So if he got what he says he wants he wouldn't actually get what he really wants.
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  • Reply 3 of 26
    genovellegenovelle Posts: 1,265member
    AppleZulu said:
    Thanks to competition and the free market, this fellow has the choice to not interact in any way whatsoever with Apple, their hardware or their software. 

    Ah, but that's probably not what he really wants. He wants access to the wallets of Apple's customers, but doesn't want any of the accountability that Apple requires to get there. What none of the folks who take this position realize is that it's because of all that accountability, privacy, security and software stability that Apple mandates that Apple's customers are more desirable than the ones who opt for Android. So if he got what he says he wants he wouldn't actually get what he really wants.
    Perfectly stated!
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  • Reply 4 of 26
    ikirikir Posts: 111member
    Telegram is great but Durov is a complete idiot, he attack Apple with nonsense continusly, it is like his personal crusade.
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  • Reply 5 of 26
    crowleycrowley Posts: 8,725member
    Trying to remember what significant animation there is in the Telegram app that would come even part-way to justifying such a ridiculous whinge and I've got nothing.
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  • Reply 6 of 26
    omasouomasou Posts: 208member
    I really don't understand the developer crowing going on.

    If you're a developer and feel so oppressed by Apple's rules and distribution then boycott Apple and only develop for other platforms. We won't miss you. Really we won't.

    After all Android has more marketshare so you should be just fine /s.
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  • Reply 7 of 26
    Beats said:
    They had iPhones in the Middle Ages?

    Is he a Millennial? Only a spoiled brat would call using an iPhone “slavery”. He sounds like quite the valley girl. He probably had a “bad day” because he couldn’t get a selfie right.

    He’a using a lot of iKnockoff user logic here too. He’s comparing the few Android models features to bash Apple and calling iPhones “obsolete”. LOL

    Anyone with a brain knows there’s more to the story here. Next he’s gonna call Apple anti-competitive and claim Telegram should be the stock iPhone App and it’s “only fair” that way. 
    Not sure if he is a Millennial.  But obviously one of the Pro-Trump crowd that will say and do anything to twist things to their way of thinking.  I'll just ignore it.
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  • Reply 8 of 26
    mknelsonmknelson Posts: 824member
    crowley said:
    Trying to remember what significant animation there is in the Telegram app that would come even part-way to justifying such a ridiculous whinge and I've got nothing.
    Well, if you went on the now-defunct Periscope at any point you would regularly see a lot of eastern Europeans selling Child Porn archives openly in the live streams* - contact via Telegram.

    *seriously - church sermon, kids baseball game, CP video, church sermon every weekend. Thx Twitter - didn't you have anybody on staff watching the streams?
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  • Reply 9 of 26
    zimmiezimmie Posts: 552member
    To be clear, Telegram is not a "secure messaging app". Group chats cannot be encrypted at all (except by TLS, which explicitly does not protect against Telegram the company). 1:1 chats are unencrypted by default. Even if you opt in to encryption in the 1:1 chat, it has some extremely questionable design decisions which make many cryptographers uncomfortable. One in particular described an issue as "the most backdoor-looking bug I’ve ever seen."

    There is a formal proof of many relevant aspects of the current version of Telegram's cryptographic protocol. There is no proof of correctness of their implementations.
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  • Reply 10 of 26
    sflocalsflocal Posts: 5,728member
    What a whiny, entitled man-child.  His rant is proof that one can have money, yet still be dumber than dirt.
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  • Reply 11 of 26
    miles better than being toxic social media zombies
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  • Reply 12 of 26
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 9,455member
    sflocal said:
    What a whiny, entitled man-child.  His rant is proof that one can have money, yet still be dumber than dirt.
    He sounds like many of the regulars here. Shall we name names?
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  • Reply 13 of 26
    I am bemused by all the piling on that's occurred in the past few months from just about everybody because of the Epic lawsuit against Apple.

    Interesting how they all are saying the same thing, with little variation and practically the same tone. Likely a coincidence, I'm sure. 
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  • Reply 14 of 26
    sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 17,670member
    Beats said:
    They had iPhones in the Middle Ages?

    Is he a Millennial? Only a spoiled brat would call using an iPhone “slavery”. He sounds like quite the valley girl. He probably had a “bad day” because he couldn’t get a selfie right.

    He’a using a lot of iKnockoff user logic here too. He’s comparing the few Android models features to bash Apple and calling iPhones “obsolete”. LOL

    Anyone with a brain knows there’s more to the story here. Next he’s gonna call Apple anti-competitive and claim Telegram should be the stock iPhone App and it’s “only fair” that way. 
    Not sure if he is a Millennial.  But obviously one of the Pro-Trump crowd that will say and do anything to twist things to their way of thinking.  I'll just ignore it.
    I don’t see why the political comment is necessary.   It doesn’t even make sense.  Have you met any Trump supporters in real life?  Because I know a lot f them and they are nothing like this tool bag.  
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  • Reply 15 of 26
    Are these business owners/founders children now? Now there is a market strategy in line with a Fortune 500 company: I'll take to the Internet and call the customers of the one—out of only two—mobile platforms and insult them to their face. That should help bringing more people over from WhatsApp...

    Hey, Telegram founder, let me tell you this: if Apple hadn't "enslaved" their customers and made iMessage exclusive to Apple hardware, Telegram would never be.
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  • Reply 16 of 26
    danoxdanox Posts: 599member
    Are these business owners/founders children now? Now there is a market strategy in line with a Fortune 500 company: I'll take to the Internet and call the customers of the one—out of only two—mobile platforms and insult them to their face. That should help bringing more people over from WhatsApp...

    Hey, Telegram founder, let me tell you this: if Apple hadn't "enslaved" their customers and made iMessage exclusive to Apple hardware, Telegram would never be.
    What is forgotten, Apple created iMessage and the Apple Watch because the Mac and iOS were not getting any real support in those areas, Apple had to create something for it’s users in a defensive response to lack of support in the marketplace. (And over the years it has had to do that many times). The M series cpu is but the latest example.
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  • Reply 17 of 26
    mwhitemwhite Posts: 271member
    sflocal said:
    What a whiny, entitled man-child.  His rant is proof that one can have money, yet still be dumber than dirt.

    Lol

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  • Reply 18 of 26
    jungmarkjungmark Posts: 6,866member
    So how many Android devices do I need to match or better what a single iPhone has? He’s a fool. 
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  • Reply 19 of 26
    davidwdavidw Posts: 1,328member
    I am bemused by all the piling on that's occurred in the past few months from just about everybody because of the Epic lawsuit against Apple.

    Interesting how they all are saying the same thing, with little variation and practically the same tone. Likely a coincidence, I'm sure. 
    The lowest common denominator must be that they all miss playing Fortnight on iOS. They must be having a hard time going through life, not being able to have meaningful conversations with all their friends about the latest and greatest version of Fortnight. Plus the thought of all the money they spent on cool virtual outfits and fancy pick axes, over years of playing Fortnight, are sitting in their Epic account going to waste and will be out of fashion by the time they're playing Fortnight on iOS again.   

    Sure they can still play Fortnight on Android devices, X-Box, PlayStation, Switch and a computer. But in their small minds, Apple has them "locked in" to iOS and they can't switch. If they were to play Fortnight on any other platform, they would prove to themselves that they are are wrong about Apple having them "locked in" to iOS. If they are not going to believe others that are a lot smarter than them, about not being "locked in" to iOS, why should they believe themselves? 
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  • Reply 20 of 26
    No wonder, then, that Telegram is such a crappy app on iOS. Constant crashes, lagging, terrible performance and optimization, battery hogging etc make it a terrible experience. I would've expected more of his previous stance of bringing Telegram to everyone, but here we go... Time to switch to another messenger app.
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