Well mac's are going to be frozen out of the digital hub soon as most NEW DV-camcorders have USB2 instead of Firewire.
The sky is falling!
There are a few USB 2.0 based camcorders out there, but they are bleeding edge proof of concepts, pretty much. Sony and Hitachi have unreleased DVD recordable cams. Samsung has a HDD based cam. They don't use the same DV codec as existing camcorders though. They use much lower bitrate MPEG-4, like MicroMV uses.
You may be confusing USB 1.1 and 2.0. Most camcorders have USB 1.1 on them to transfer digital pictures off memorystick/SD/MMC/whatever. The USB 1.1 connection cannot be used for DV.
I don't see FireWire being displaced much in the DV world, consumer or professional.
FW 800 will soon enough come to PC, and then FW 800 will begin to find itself in Prosumer and Professional DV products. Remember what happened with original FW.
FW 800 will soon enough come to PC, and then FW 800 will begin to find itself in Prosumer and Professional DV products. Remember what happened with original FW.
...USB2 is just not gonna take over for FireWire. USB requires a host controller. You can't just plug a HD into a DigitalCam and have them work together. Not to mention that USB is token ring and doens't do well at all with streamed data, an area in which FW not only excels, but was specifically designed for.
Still images are fine for transferring over USB, not digital video.
Nay...I pitty the poor fool who buys a USB only Camcorder.
These are aimed at the non editing consumer. As far as I can tell USB support no Device Control. No Timecode. That's a killer. Please correct me if this is not the case but you will not be editing with the majority of apps directly from a USB camera.
There is no way FireWire would get replaced by USB2. It's not all about all about how close, or far away they are in speeds. USB2 can not transfer some of the different data types that firewire can. I cant name them now, but I've read it many times in the past, and that is not going to change. Absolutely not when it comes to camcorders. I believe 100% of network television stations in the US use FireWire, and so do many local, and cable network stations. Over 80% in all I believe. FireWire also won Apple an Oscar last year because of it's outstanding achievements in the film industry.
So why on earth would Sony, JVC, and all the other manufacturers stop using the (REAL) professional standard plug on their camcorders? They all have them in their professional series cameras, and everybody who does home movies wants to be able to make their movies as much like a pro as possible.
My suspicion is that Intel paid a few camera makers to include USB2 on a couple models. If camera buyers have any sense at all, they will die a quick death.
And NAB Convention is most important Convention for Broadcasting, Professional Video people, Professional Audio people, 3D graphic, and Multimedia people.
What is the status of APPLE in this market?
Very weak and small¡¦. Until few years ago.
Few year¡¯s ago. Steve Job was keynote speaker in NAB.
It was one year before FinalCutPro was announced. He tries to address what APPLE is intend to do and asked what this professional people want. The response was very cold and his keynote speech did not make any sense to most of the attendances.
Not many people cared what APPLE wants to do. Most people thought APPLE and Macintosh as computer that AVID can run and, at the time, even AVID was converting to PC side.
Let¡¯s check what APPLE had.
APPLE had 3 major technical parts for the broadcasting market.
1) QuickTime
2) FinalCutPro
3) MPEG-4
First QuickTime.
The QuickTime is very important for production side. It is much easier to make QuickTime format for Exchange of data and much NLE system use QuickTime as their choice of file format. However, it was developed for Multimedia when it first started and, still, QuickTime have very minor position in Professional Video market. Most people used AVID for pro work and AVID did not use QuickTime that much. And DV was considering as Prosumer market, until recently.
Second FinalCutPro.
It changed many part of Pro AVID user¡¯s mind to change back to Mac again. And it was the first product that APPLE could show to Professional Video power of Mac. But before FinalCutPro 3 with pro video card, it was mostly used with DV and it was competing with Adobe Premiere, not AVID Xpress line. And No professional people want to use premiere as their major NLE application. And FCP was considered as same class as Premiere.
MPEG-4
Apple has been talked about wonder of MPEG-4 for years. And When QuickTime 6 with MPEG-4 was announced; it was too late and did not impact too much to professional market. Most of Internet web casting is done Real, for US market, and Window Media Player, most of other country. It is hard to find QuickTime web streaming, even CNN, BBC stopped QuickTime broadcasting.
This was current status of APPLE in Professional Video market until very recently.
Okay we can sit here and debate back and forth about Kormac's credibility or we can speculate on some points he is making and let it grow from there. kim kap sol: let it go, you made your point. By the way, I am making plastics now!
Okay we can sit here and debate back and forth about Kormac's credibility or we can speculate on some points he is making and let it grow from there. kim kap sol: let it go, you made your point. By the way, I am making plastics now!
Keep it on topic or it gets locked.
wtf...you're so late, why even bother posting this? I've let it go almost 4 days ago!
Well, if things get real boring people can always walk across the casino to the House of Blues
Seriously, I think kormac is probably on to something. If I were to speculate I would think along the same lines. Apple has two HUGE areas at NAB this go round. Let's hope they blow the likes of M$, their neighbors at NAB, out of the water.
As for the WWDC, I can see the 970 arriving, but not sure about the rest.
Comments
Originally posted by Addison
Well mac's are going to be frozen out of the digital hub soon as most NEW DV-camcorders have USB2 instead of Firewire.
All of them? Even Sony DV cameras?
Originally posted by Jared
All of them? Even Sony DV cameras?
feel free to scaremonger, there's really no grounds for this.
Several companies have openly stated USB2 might be used on low end cameras but that firewire is the choice for mid to high end
Originally posted by Geddoe
Since I first saw it, I have wondered if the iLife graphic meant that Apple had plans to expand it by adding other pieces.
Odds are that it is just some cool graphic the art department dreamed up.
Odds are the nubs are there just to spice up the image.
Originally posted by Addison
Well mac's are going to be frozen out of the digital hub soon as most NEW DV-camcorders have USB2 instead of Firewire.
The sky is falling!
There are a few USB 2.0 based camcorders out there, but they are bleeding edge proof of concepts, pretty much. Sony and Hitachi have unreleased DVD recordable cams. Samsung has a HDD based cam. They don't use the same DV codec as existing camcorders though. They use much lower bitrate MPEG-4, like MicroMV uses.
You may be confusing USB 1.1 and 2.0. Most camcorders have USB 1.1 on them to transfer digital pictures off memorystick/SD/MMC/whatever. The USB 1.1 connection cannot be used for DV.
I don't see FireWire being displaced much in the DV world, consumer or professional.
FW 800 will soon enough come to PC, and then FW 800 will begin to find itself in Prosumer and Professional DV products. Remember what happened with original FW.
Originally posted by Placebo
Don't worry, be happy!
FW 800 will soon enough come to PC, and then FW 800 will begin to find itself in Prosumer and Professional DV products. Remember what happened with original FW.
...USB2 is just not gonna take over for FireWire. USB requires a host controller. You can't just plug a HD into a DigitalCam and have them work together. Not to mention that USB is token ring and doens't do well at all with streamed data, an area in which FW not only excels, but was specifically designed for.
Still images are fine for transferring over USB, not digital video.
These are aimed at the non editing consumer. As far as I can tell USB support no Device Control. No Timecode. That's a killer. Please correct me if this is not the case but you will not be editing with the majority of apps directly from a USB camera.
Nothing to fear.
So why on earth would Sony, JVC, and all the other manufacturers stop using the (REAL) professional standard plug on their camcorders? They all have them in their professional series cameras, and everybody who does home movies wants to be able to make their movies as much like a pro as possible.
I think your way off.
that's what card reader's are for, right?
Here I go again.
Let¡¯s focus on what will happen in near future. If you see the Hot news section in APPLE web site, only two Events are important enough to show.
http://www.apple.com/hotnews/
NAB and WWDC.
As you knows. WWDC is all about APPLE and Macintosh. But NAB is not just for the APPLE.
It is National Association of Broadcasters. It is Professional Video people¡¯s Association.
http://www.nab.org/
And NAB Convention is most important Convention for Broadcasting, Professional Video people, Professional Audio people, 3D graphic, and Multimedia people.
What is the status of APPLE in this market?
Very weak and small¡¦. Until few years ago.
Few year¡¯s ago. Steve Job was keynote speaker in NAB.
It was one year before FinalCutPro was announced. He tries to address what APPLE is intend to do and asked what this professional people want. The response was very cold and his keynote speech did not make any sense to most of the attendances.
Not many people cared what APPLE wants to do. Most people thought APPLE and Macintosh as computer that AVID can run and, at the time, even AVID was converting to PC side.
Let¡¯s check what APPLE had.
APPLE had 3 major technical parts for the broadcasting market.
1) QuickTime
2) FinalCutPro
3) MPEG-4
First QuickTime.
The QuickTime is very important for production side. It is much easier to make QuickTime format for Exchange of data and much NLE system use QuickTime as their choice of file format. However, it was developed for Multimedia when it first started and, still, QuickTime have very minor position in Professional Video market. Most people used AVID for pro work and AVID did not use QuickTime that much. And DV was considering as Prosumer market, until recently.
Second FinalCutPro.
It changed many part of Pro AVID user¡¯s mind to change back to Mac again. And it was the first product that APPLE could show to Professional Video power of Mac. But before FinalCutPro 3 with pro video card, it was mostly used with DV and it was competing with Adobe Premiere, not AVID Xpress line. And No professional people want to use premiere as their major NLE application. And FCP was considered as same class as Premiere.
MPEG-4
Apple has been talked about wonder of MPEG-4 for years. And When QuickTime 6 with MPEG-4 was announced; it was too late and did not impact too much to professional market. Most of Internet web casting is done Real, for US market, and Window Media Player, most of other country. It is hard to find QuickTime web streaming, even CNN, BBC stopped QuickTime broadcasting.
This was current status of APPLE in Professional Video market until very recently.
I think this will change big in this year.
Part 2 later.....
MacCentral: http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/...3/20/applenab/
Think secret: http://www.thinksecret.com/news/nab2003.html
And this is what APPLE is posted;
http://www.seminars.apple.com/cgi-bi...?eventId=21266
================================================== ==================
An Insider's Look at Apple's Digital Video Strategy
Apr 6, 2003, from 03:00 PM - 05:00 PM US Pacific
Event Number: 21266
Audience: General
Type: Conference
Fee: $ 0.00
Description:
Please join us for an insider's view of Apple's strategic direction for digital video production technologies.
This exclusive event will feature presentations by Apple executives, including:
- John Brandon, VP, the Americas and Asia Pacific
- Tim Cook, Executive VP, Worldwide Sales and Operations
- Phil Schiller, Senior VP, Worldwide Product Marketing
A reception will follow.
Space is limited for this special invitation only event.
Registration will close April 1, 2003.
Note for Registrants:
Registration is required to attend this event.
Check in begins at 2:00pm, and the meeting will run from 3:00pm to 5:00pm. A reception will follow.
Sponsors:
Apple: Business
Location:
Mandalay Bay - Convention Center
SouthSeas Ballroom
Level 3
3970 Las Vegas Blvd South
Las Vegas, NV 89119
USA
It is not for general audience, only for invitation only.
It will not an ordinary product announcement but will be for more larger scale.
And because of this, APPLE might cancel to QT Live.
http://www.thinksecret.com/news/quicktimelive.html
Here is what I am expecting in NAB from APPLE.
1) Clustering Grid computing.
2) MPEG-4 with H.264
3) MPEG-2 with Transportation Stream
6) DV, DVCPRO, DVCPRO50 and DVCPRO HD
7) HDTV as Monitor and TV: 30inch LCD.
8) OPEN GL with Quartz Extreme
For WWDC
4) Broadcasting over Wi-Fi
5) Multi-User: Net boot
OPEN GL with Quartz Extreme
9) PCI-X
10) Bluetooth: Hand Phone
11) 64 Bit Computing: 970
And for the later announcement, if it ever happen.
12) Tablet form fact :I****v2
13) DNA¡¦ I wish
This is part of puzzle.
That is for today.
I will talk later for NAB part.
and an apple webcam?
and final cut pro 4?
and powerpod?
and quicktime 6.5?
my guess(command) is..apple doesnt want to wait for the wancworld...but rather dish out everything NOW!!
Dooooooom.... III...... MmMMmm.... 1 gigazillion fps...
Keep it on topic or it gets locked.
Originally posted by Bodhi
Okay we can sit here and debate back and forth about Kormac's credibility or we can speculate on some points he is making and let it grow from there. kim kap sol: let it go, you made your point. By the way, I am making plastics now!
Keep it on topic or it gets locked.
wtf...you're so late, why even bother posting this? I've let it go almost 4 days ago!
Originally posted by kormac77
Location:
Mandalay Bay - Convention Center
SouthSeas Ballroom
Level 3
3970 Las Vegas Blvd South
Las Vegas, NV 89119
USA
I will talk later for NAB part.
Well, if things get real boring people can always walk across the casino to the House of Blues
Seriously, I think kormac is probably on to something. If I were to speculate I would think along the same lines. Apple has two HUGE areas at NAB this go round. Let's hope they blow the likes of M$, their neighbors at NAB, out of the water.
As for the WWDC, I can see the 970 arriving, but not sure about the rest.
Joys of speculation I guess....
Though, his English is better.
And, we all know/knew it was always better than lead to believe.
I'm sure his job is more tenuous with the Korean peninsula being a little more on edge lately.