No one seemed to mind a metallized UI much when the metal was "Platinum"...
Goog God, do you honestly believe what you're saying? I wonder if in truth you've ever used System 8 through 9...
Just because the name of one GUI might remind you of the name of the other one it doesn't mean that the two are related in any way. In fact, brushed metal came out IIRC with QT4, during or shortly before the System 9 launch. And people complained a lot about the stupid UI QT Player sported. And guess what, the people who were complaining about Brushed Metal were using Platinum all the time!
Personally I don't mind Brushed Metal: in fact, it solves a problem I have with Aqua, that I find it too bright, with too much white. But what I hate is inconsistency: the should be only one, system-wide User Interface. A skinnable one, if you prefer, but if you change to a different theme it should apply to everything. Switching from one UI to another is something that I find extremely annoying.
And please, don't compare Brushed Metal with Platinum if you don't really know what you're talking about...
There is nothing intrinsically wrong with the "brushed metal" UI skin. Yes, I did use OSs 8 and 9, and I remember when QT4 was released. It had a bad interface because of its rotary volume control and ridiculous favorites drawer and unintuitive equalizer controls. The fact that its window was rounded and more metal than the rest of the system had no impact at all on its usability -- and the same is true of brushed metal OSX apps.
I too would be disappointed if Jaguar was 100% brushed-metal, just because I like the way Aqua windows look, but at their heart there are no real fundamental differences between the two modes. That's why there is a single checkbox in IB to switch between them. They both have a rounded title bar, they both have three colored buttons in the upper-left, they both are resizable by dragging the handle on the bottom-right. If anything, metallized windows are more useful than their Aqua conterparts, if only because they are draggable from their edges (fixing one of the most legitimate gripes about Aqua). In the end they're all just sophisticated Kaleidoscope themes. Yes, Platinum too.
Don't engage in silly histrionics about Apple's preference in window themes. "Meh meh meh, if Apple makes their windows gray, I'm never using a Mac again, and I'll stop eating red meat, and... and... I'll jump off a bridge!" Again,
The idea that you won't be able to use your interface if it changes to another color is really silly at best. I find some days Aqua has way too much white for me. However on the other hand Platinum was too bland and old fashioned looking. As has been said before the controls are still in the same place so what's the problem? Give a monkey enough bananas he could do it. This and the fact that what looks good is subjective is why I support the idea themes.
Don't engage in silly histrionics about Apple's preference in window themes. "Meh meh meh, if Apple makes their windows gray, I'm never using a Mac again, and I'll stop eating red meat, and... and... I'll jump off a bridge!" Again,
Did I really say that?
Don't think so... I just pointed out that it's silly to compare Platinum to Brushed Metal just because they share a "metallic" name. Platinum was a direct derivative of the classic Macintosh interface, and as such it might have looked a little bit 'old fashioned'--though I'm pretty sure nobody at that time would have said such a thing, as there were no 'modern interfaces' like Aqua or Luna ( ) to compare it to--but it was extremely consistent and straightforward. Aqua, and BM, are much less polished and refined and consistent than Platinum. And I said that personally if I had to choose the lesser of the two evils I'd opt for a system-wide BM interface, as for me Aqua is just too bright.
BTW, when Macintosh went color (Macintosh II was the first model, anybody remember the first System version?), or when Platinum came, how was the public reaction? I'm fairly confident that the switch from Platinum to Aqua drew a lot more ires than the Macintosh to Platinum did...
I don't think he was responding to you specifically at that point but we have had posts like that in the recent past.
It was probably directed at me, seeing as I actually said, in a degree of dramatics I normally eschew, that I would have to leave Apple if they took this metal too far. I probably shouldn't have said that, because it does sound very childish. Ah well, you can all carry on, I guess...
There is nothing intrinsically wrong with the "brushed metal" UI skin. Yes, I did use OSs 8 and 9, and I remember when QT4 was released. It had a bad interface because of its rotary volume control and ridiculous favorites drawer and unintuitive equalizer controls. The fact that its window was rounded and more metal than the rest of the system had no impact at all on its usability -- and the same is true of brushed metal OSX apps.
I too would be disappointed if Jaguar was 100% brushed-metal, just because I like the way Aqua windows look, but at their heart there are no real fundamental differences between the two modes. That's why there is a single checkbox in IB to switch between them. They both have a rounded title bar, they both have three colored buttons in the upper-left, they both are resizable by dragging the handle on the bottom-right. If anything, metallized windows are more useful than their Aqua conterparts, if only because they are draggable from their edges (fixing one of the most legitimate gripes about Aqua). In the end they're all just sophisticated Kaleidoscope themes. Yes, Platinum too.
Don't engage in silly histrionics about Apple's preference in window themes. "Meh meh meh, if Apple makes their windows gray, I'm never using a Mac again, and I'll stop eating red meat, and... and... I'll jump off a bridge!" Again,
CORRECTAMUNDO!
thank god, someone here is intelligent. i was going to shoot myself.
I heard that the new 'X' logo for panther is going to be a pink 'X' with a 'pink panther' face in the middle of it. ;-) Someone seriously needs to make one of those as a gag.
i used the image on the server page cuz the X was nice and clear and gray and went from there. I didnt make the pink panther or the inspector, ripped em off a site.
That makes no sense. If anything Brushed Metal is painted, as you can remove it at will...
I would be careful with those sweeping generalities. I refer to the fact that "Platinum" has no brushed metal texture while "Brushed Metal" does. Platinum, in that way, is like smoothly painted brushed metal. Whether or not you can "remove" it does not figure into my analogy. I think you're wrong on that front anyway because you can probably replace platinum with a Brushed Metal theme in OS 9. Let's be sensible here.
Rather than all this controversy, official Theme support would be nice. Oh well I guess that won't happen right? *Cough* Kaleidoscope X *cough* come Arlo and Greg!
I would be careful with those sweeping generalities. I refer to the fact that "Platinum" has no brushed metal texture while "Brushed Metal" does. Platinum, in that way, is like smoothly painted brushed metal. Whether or not you can "remove" it does not figure into my analogy. I think you're wrong on that front anyway because you can probably replace platinum with a Brushed Metal theme in OS 9. Let's be sensible here.
I just mean if it is a true Brushed Metal UI like say, Safari, you could go into InterfaceBuilder and uncheck a box, save the nib file and no more brushed metal...
seems to me that apple has been listening to some of the suggestions made by users for osx, even against what they initially wanted. Although gui themes are less of an importance in the grand scheme of things I have a feeling we will get a few apple controlled themes eventually. Just cuz apple likes to be a Mr. fancy pants sometimes. Like without question there should be a FCP theme.
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Originally posted by wyntir
No one seemed to mind a metallized UI much when the metal was "Platinum"...
Goog God, do you honestly believe what you're saying? I wonder if in truth you've ever used System 8 through 9...
Just because the name of one GUI might remind you of the name of the other one it doesn't mean that the two are related in any way. In fact, brushed metal came out IIRC with QT4, during or shortly before the System 9 launch. And people complained a lot about the stupid UI QT Player sported. And guess what, the people who were complaining about Brushed Metal were using Platinum all the time!
Personally I don't mind Brushed Metal: in fact, it solves a problem I have with Aqua, that I find it too bright, with too much white. But what I hate is inconsistency: the should be only one, system-wide User Interface. A skinnable one, if you prefer, but if you change to a different theme it should apply to everything. Switching from one UI to another is something that I find extremely annoying.
And please, don't compare Brushed Metal with Platinum if you don't really know what you're talking about...
ZoSo
I too would be disappointed if Jaguar was 100% brushed-metal, just because I like the way Aqua windows look, but at their heart there are no real fundamental differences between the two modes. That's why there is a single checkbox in IB to switch between them. They both have a rounded title bar, they both have three colored buttons in the upper-left, they both are resizable by dragging the handle on the bottom-right. If anything, metallized windows are more useful than their Aqua conterparts, if only because they are draggable from their edges (fixing one of the most legitimate gripes about Aqua). In the end they're all just sophisticated Kaleidoscope themes. Yes, Platinum too.
Don't engage in silly histrionics about Apple's preference in window themes. "Meh meh meh, if Apple makes their windows gray, I'm never using a Mac again, and I'll stop eating red meat, and... and... I'll jump off a bridge!" Again,
Originally posted by wyntir
Don't engage in silly histrionics about Apple's preference in window themes. "Meh meh meh, if Apple makes their windows gray, I'm never using a Mac again, and I'll stop eating red meat, and... and... I'll jump off a bridge!" Again,
Did I really say that?
Don't think so... I just pointed out that it's silly to compare Platinum to Brushed Metal just because they share a "metallic" name. Platinum was a direct derivative of the classic Macintosh interface, and as such it might have looked a little bit 'old fashioned'--though I'm pretty sure nobody at that time would have said such a thing, as there were no 'modern interfaces' like Aqua or Luna (
BTW, when Macintosh went color (Macintosh II was the first model, anybody remember the first System version?), or when Platinum came, how was the public reaction? I'm fairly confident that the switch from Platinum to Aqua drew a lot more ires than the Macintosh to Platinum did...
ZoSo
Anyway I'm starting to feel like a geek arguing about Apple UI themes. We can agree to disagree.
Originally posted by BuonRotto
I don't think he was responding to you specifically at that point but we have had posts like that in the recent past.
It was probably directed at me, seeing as I actually said, in a degree of dramatics I normally eschew, that I would have to leave Apple if they took this metal too far. I probably shouldn't have said that, because it does sound very childish. Ah well, you can all carry on, I guess...
Originally posted by wyntir
There is nothing intrinsically wrong with the "brushed metal" UI skin. Yes, I did use OSs 8 and 9, and I remember when QT4 was released. It had a bad interface because of its rotary volume control and ridiculous favorites drawer and unintuitive equalizer controls. The fact that its window was rounded and more metal than the rest of the system had no impact at all on its usability -- and the same is true of brushed metal OSX apps.
I too would be disappointed if Jaguar was 100% brushed-metal, just because I like the way Aqua windows look, but at their heart there are no real fundamental differences between the two modes. That's why there is a single checkbox in IB to switch between them. They both have a rounded title bar, they both have three colored buttons in the upper-left, they both are resizable by dragging the handle on the bottom-right. If anything, metallized windows are more useful than their Aqua conterparts, if only because they are draggable from their edges (fixing one of the most legitimate gripes about Aqua). In the end they're all just sophisticated Kaleidoscope themes. Yes, Platinum too.
Don't engage in silly histrionics about Apple's preference in window themes. "Meh meh meh, if Apple makes their windows gray, I'm never using a Mac again, and I'll stop eating red meat, and... and... I'll jump off a bridge!" Again,
CORRECTAMUNDO!
thank god, someone here is intelligent. i was going to shoot myself.
Originally posted by pyr3
I heard that the new 'X' logo for panther is going to be a pink 'X' with a 'pink panther' face in the middle of it. ;-) Someone seriously needs to make one of those as a gag.
Originally posted by Ti Fighter
Thanks
NP. How did you make it? Did you use the Jag box as a template and continue from there?
Originally posted by Jared
That makes no sense. If anything Brushed Metal is painted, as you can remove it at will...
I would be careful with those sweeping generalities. I refer to the fact that "Platinum" has no brushed metal texture while "Brushed Metal" does. Platinum, in that way, is like smoothly painted brushed metal. Whether or not you can "remove" it does not figure into my analogy. I think you're wrong on that front anyway because you can probably replace platinum with a Brushed Metal theme in OS 9. Let's be sensible here.
Originally posted by ShawnPatrickJoyce
I would be careful with those sweeping generalities. I refer to the fact that "Platinum" has no brushed metal texture while "Brushed Metal" does. Platinum, in that way, is like smoothly painted brushed metal. Whether or not you can "remove" it does not figure into my analogy. I think you're wrong on that front anyway because you can probably replace platinum with a Brushed Metal theme in OS 9. Let's be sensible here.
I just mean if it is a true Brushed Metal UI like say, Safari, you could go into InterfaceBuilder and uncheck a box, save the nib file and no more brushed metal...