If someone can name a major terrorist movement (i.e. - one with the funding and organization to carry out attacks like 9/11 or worse) whose main bitch is Iraq I'd love to see it.
In the last tape released, bin Laden called for his "brothers" (I think that was the term) to rise up and overthrow the infidel Hussein (i.e. Hussein is a bad muslim). Interestingly, after it was initially reported, that part of the quotation was dropped from all coverage. There were quite a few sites out there that discussed it.
Lots of these are leftie publications, although the Justin Raimondo piece is not. He's an anti-war conservative columnist (Frum lambasted him recently in I believe the New Republic).
There are, of course, many more references to it. Here's the google search output:
Alright, you're going to have to shut the ^*@% up because what you just said destroys the foundation of an entire belief system he's created to protect his dogma.
Alright, you're going to have to shut the ^*@% up because what you just said destroys the foundation of an entire belief system he's created to protect his dogma.
Heh. I'm sure he'll be fine. This story (about the quote being dropped from EVERY news source) sure is curious, though....
I don't care about the rest of the argument, but CDMA is good stuff. From a technical standpoint it blows TDMA away, and furthermore IS95 is far superior to GSM, as is 3G CDMA (CDMA2000 and W-CDMA) to GPRS. Take it from someone who has actually studied the standards. America and Japan are right about being big on CDMA.
Alright, you're going to have to shut the ^*@% up because what you just said destroys the foundation of an entire belief system he's created to protect his dogma.
Oh ye of little understanding.
Osama bin Laden's main gripes against American do not include our handling of Iraq, or at least didn't until it became so popular recently and he seems to make superficial remarks about us being in there.
Osama dislikes Hussein, which means that he's not exactly going to bomb America for trying to oust him.
This is what I mean when I say, "tell me of a terrorist group whose main bitch is our handling of Iraq" meaning, "What terrorist group out there attacks us or threatens to attack us because of the way we've handled the Iraq situation."
Midwinter's links do not provide those. You need reading comprehension courses, I keep telling you.
I don't care about the rest of the argument, but CDMA is good stuff. From a technical standpoint it blows TDMA away, and furthermore IS95 is far superior to GSM, as is 3G CDMA (CDMA2000 and W-CDMA) to GPRS. Take it from someone who has actually studied the standards. America and Japan are right about being big on CDMA.
There are more small minded fools that cant see past the end of their beliefs and presume their way of living is better than someone elses.
Only a small number of us on this planet seem to be able to take a step back and reflect upon the futile actions of 2 "leaders" charging at each other with guns.
Sadly, it's going to be a long time before the majority take a step back and see what some of us already see.
I truly believe that if the people of iraq really wanted to be free. They would rise up against Saddam themselves. Its called a revolution, many countries have been there and done that at some point in their history. Its not our fight, we shouldnt be there.
I don't care about the rest of the argument, but CDMA is good stuff. From a technical standpoint it blows TDMA away, and furthermore IS95 is far superior to GSM, as is 3G CDMA (CDMA2000 and W-CDMA) to GPRS. Take it from someone who has actually studied the standards. America and Japan are right about being big on CDMA.
I strongly disagrees with the technical issue. But more important is that is is another system than that of the neigbouring countries. Even more than with computers compability and common standards are #1 in telecommunication, not only among telecoms but also on the customer side.
Osama bin Laden's main gripes against American do not include our handling of Iraq, or at least didn't until it became so popular recently and he seems to make superficial remarks about us being in there.
Osama dislikes Hussein, which means that he's not exactly going to bomb America for trying to oust him.
This is what I mean when I say, "tell me of a terrorist group whose main bitch is our handling of Iraq" meaning, "What terrorist group out there attacks us or threatens to attack us because of the way we've handled the Iraq situation."
Midwinter's links do not provide those. You need reading comprehension courses, I keep telling you.
Well, now that you've changed the question.... The "our handling of" doesn't appear in your initial question. My reading comprehension skills are fine, but thanks for caring.
One answer to that question is most likely going to be Islamic Jihad. But I would wager that since everything I've ever read indicates that al Qaeda turned its attention to us in the first place because of the first Gulf War (which played as a holy war against Islam), then the answer to the question remains, again, al Qaeda.
Harald, I kind of share your thoughts on this sad time in history, although I'm not so worried yet. I have given up posting about this subject because the right wing element make me sick....... As for the growth of hatred towards the US (politics not people) it is enormous. I do not know of a single person that supports this war on Iraq and the feelings towards Bush/Blair (especially Bush) have become very bitter. I live in Hertfordshire on the very edge of North London in the UK even here there is growing hatred for US policies.
I have asked about fifty or so people in Hong Kong how they feel about the war. British, American, HK Chinese, Singaporean, Canadian... and all but ONE have said they oppose the war and Bush.
If all those 50 people really knew you they proabably just said what you wanted to hear so as not to listen to another political tirade. :P
This thread is yet another example of the anti-war sentiment up on their soapbox offering plenty of criticism but no solution. Half the anti-war people agree that Saddam is a baaaahd man, that he hates the US, that he tortures and terrorizes his people, yet they have zero solutions. More sanction? Just ignore him and hope he goes away? What alternatives people? If you don't have another solution why the hell should we bother listening to you?
This thread is yet another example of the anti-war sentiment up on their soapbox offering plenty of criticism but no solution. Half the anti-war people agree that Saddam is a baaaahd man, that he hates the US, that he tortures and terrorizes his people, yet they have zero solutions. More sanction? Just ignore him and hope he goes away? What alternatives people? If you don't have another solution why the hell should we bother listening to you?
Oh, yeah, and everyone bitches and whines when the US does mind its own business... Aren't these the same people who want us to take care of labor conditions in China, free Tibet and stop Japanese whaling? But to do anything about the slaughtering of a population is taboo?
Perhaps I'm being too, what, ideological, but I think the richest, most powerful nation in the world might have some burden to bear to make the rest of the world a better place.
LOL yet again I laugh...... You believe Bush really believes that ?
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Perhaps I'm being too, what, ideological, but I think the richest, most powerful nation in the world might have some burden to bear to make the rest of the world a better place.
Only if it serves the interests of corporate America. ROTFLMAO
I think all that pledging allegence to the flag crap has gone to your head mate!
I am more than sure that there are many people in the US of A that really do want to help the oppressed peoples of the world but Bush isn't one of them and by going to war he's not helping world stability, or love for the US of A. Also I think you'll find that most places that the allied forces have supposedly 'liberated' the troops have been shocked at the hate the people of those villages have shown them. It is an invasion not a liberation!
Fools! damn fools! Hahahahaha
<btw I'm in a foul mood and I get antagonistic at mindless drivel to the point of having a go at it myself>
Well, now that you've changed the question.... The "our handling of" doesn't appear in your initial question. My reading comprehension skills are fine, but thanks for caring.
I didn't change the question, I clarified. Apparently you thought I was asking for a terrorist organization that disliked Iraq, that was obviously not the topic.
I was asking for terrorists who would attack the US (hence the bit in parentheses) whose main bitch was Iraq; meaning, they hate the US because of what goes on in Iraq.
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One answer to that question is most likely going to be Islamic Jihad. But I would wager that since everything I've ever read indicates that al Qaeda turned its attention to us in the first place because of the first Gulf War (which played as a holy war against Islam), then the answer to the question remains, again, al Qaeda.
Actually Osama's big problem was how our military was in Saudi Arabia. We've been slaughtering the Iraqi people for 12 years, don't you think that would've pissed off a few terrorists?
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Originally posted by groverat
If someone can name a major terrorist movement (i.e. - one with the funding and organization to carry out attacks like 9/11 or worse) whose main bitch is Iraq I'd love to see it.
In the last tape released, bin Laden called for his "brothers" (I think that was the term) to rise up and overthrow the infidel Hussein (i.e. Hussein is a bad muslim). Interestingly, after it was initially reported, that part of the quotation was dropped from all coverage. There were quite a few sites out there that discussed it.
So one answer to your question is al Qaeda.
Cheers
Scott
http://www.antiwar.com/comment/osama2.html
http://216.239.39.100/search?q=cache...art=3&ie=UTF-8 (this one is only available as a cached page)
http://www.indybay.org/news/2003/02/1572672.php
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/1004-02.htm
Lots of these are leftie publications, although the Justin Raimondo piece is not. He's an anti-war conservative columnist (Frum lambasted him recently in I believe the New Republic).
There are, of course, many more references to it. Here's the google search output:
http://www.google.com/search?q=bin+l...UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
Cheers
Scott
Originally posted by midwinter
So one answer to your question is al Qaeda.
Alright, you're going to have to shut the ^*@% up because what you just said destroys the foundation of an entire belief system he's created to protect his dogma.
Originally posted by bunge
Alright, you're going to have to shut the ^*@% up because what you just said destroys the foundation of an entire belief system he's created to protect his dogma.
Heh. I'm sure he'll be fine. This story (about the quote being dropped from EVERY news source) sure is curious, though....
Cheers
Scott
Originally posted by bunge
Alright, you're going to have to shut the ^*@% up because what you just said destroys the foundation of an entire belief system he's created to protect his dogma.
Oh ye of little understanding.
Osama bin Laden's main gripes against American do not include our handling of Iraq, or at least didn't until it became so popular recently and he seems to make superficial remarks about us being in there.
Osama dislikes Hussein, which means that he's not exactly going to bomb America for trying to oust him.
This is what I mean when I say, "tell me of a terrorist group whose main bitch is our handling of Iraq" meaning, "What terrorist group out there attacks us or threatens to attack us because of the way we've handled the Iraq situation."
Midwinter's links do not provide those. You need reading comprehension courses, I keep telling you.
Originally posted by Splinemodel
I don't care about the rest of the argument, but CDMA is good stuff. From a technical standpoint it blows TDMA away, and furthermore IS95 is far superior to GSM, as is 3G CDMA (CDMA2000 and W-CDMA) to GPRS. Take it from someone who has actually studied the standards. America and Japan are right about being big on CDMA.
what about UMTS?
There are more small minded fools that cant see past the end of their beliefs and presume their way of living is better than someone elses.
Only a small number of us on this planet seem to be able to take a step back and reflect upon the futile actions of 2 "leaders" charging at each other with guns.
Sadly, it's going to be a long time before the majority take a step back and see what some of us already see.
I truly believe that if the people of iraq really wanted to be free. They would rise up against Saddam themselves. Its called a revolution, many countries have been there and done that at some point in their history. Its not our fight, we shouldnt be there.
Originally posted by Splinemodel
I don't care about the rest of the argument, but CDMA is good stuff. From a technical standpoint it blows TDMA away, and furthermore IS95 is far superior to GSM, as is 3G CDMA (CDMA2000 and W-CDMA) to GPRS. Take it from someone who has actually studied the standards. America and Japan are right about being big on CDMA.
I strongly disagrees with the technical issue. But more important is that is is another system than that of the neigbouring countries. Even more than with computers compability and common standards are #1 in telecommunication, not only among telecoms but also on the customer side.
Originally posted by groverat
Oh ye of little understanding.
Osama bin Laden's main gripes against American do not include our handling of Iraq, or at least didn't until it became so popular recently and he seems to make superficial remarks about us being in there.
Osama dislikes Hussein, which means that he's not exactly going to bomb America for trying to oust him.
This is what I mean when I say, "tell me of a terrorist group whose main bitch is our handling of Iraq" meaning, "What terrorist group out there attacks us or threatens to attack us because of the way we've handled the Iraq situation."
Midwinter's links do not provide those. You need reading comprehension courses, I keep telling you.
Well, now that you've changed the question.... The "our handling of" doesn't appear in your initial question. My reading comprehension skills are fine, but thanks for caring.
One answer to that question is most likely going to be Islamic Jihad. But I would wager that since everything I've ever read indicates that al Qaeda turned its attention to us in the first place because of the first Gulf War (which played as a holy war against Islam), then the answer to the question remains, again, al Qaeda.
Cheers
Soctt
GOD BLESS AMERICA!
"We are the knights that say NI"
Originally posted by tonton
I have asked about fifty or so people in Hong Kong how they feel about the war. British, American, HK Chinese, Singaporean, Canadian... and all but ONE have said they oppose the war and Bush.
If all those 50 people really knew you they proabably just said what you wanted to hear so as not to listen to another political tirade. :P
nuff said!
Hahahahaha
Kiss you!
Originally posted by dviant
This thread is yet another example of the anti-war sentiment up on their soapbox offering plenty of criticism but no solution. Half the anti-war people agree that Saddam is a baaaahd man, that he hates the US, that he tortures and terrorizes his people, yet they have zero solutions. More sanction? Just ignore him and hope he goes away? What alternatives people? If you don't have another solution why the hell should we bother listening to you?
Originally posted by Outsider
Oh, yeah, and everyone bitches and whines when the US does mind its own business... Aren't these the same people who want us to take care of labor conditions in China, free Tibet and stop Japanese whaling? But to do anything about the slaughtering of a population is taboo?
Perhaps I'm being too, what, ideological, but I think the richest, most powerful nation in the world might have some burden to bear to make the rest of the world a better place.
Perhaps I'm being too, what, ideological, but I think the richest, most powerful nation in the world might have some burden to bear to make the rest of the world a better place.
Only if it serves the interests of corporate America. ROTFLMAO
I think all that pledging allegence to the flag crap has gone to your head mate!
I am more than sure that there are many people in the US of A that really do want to help the oppressed peoples of the world but Bush isn't one of them and by going to war he's not helping world stability, or love for the US of A. Also I think you'll find that most places that the allied forces have supposedly 'liberated' the troops have been shocked at the hate the people of those villages have shown them. It is an invasion not a liberation!
Fools! damn fools! Hahahahaha
<btw I'm in a foul mood and I get antagonistic at mindless drivel to the point of having a go at it myself>
Originally posted by midwinter
Well, now that you've changed the question.... The "our handling of" doesn't appear in your initial question. My reading comprehension skills are fine, but thanks for caring.
I didn't change the question, I clarified. Apparently you thought I was asking for a terrorist organization that disliked Iraq, that was obviously not the topic.
I was asking for terrorists who would attack the US (hence the bit in parentheses) whose main bitch was Iraq; meaning, they hate the US because of what goes on in Iraq.
One answer to that question is most likely going to be Islamic Jihad. But I would wager that since everything I've ever read indicates that al Qaeda turned its attention to us in the first place because of the first Gulf War (which played as a holy war against Islam), then the answer to the question remains, again, al Qaeda.
Actually Osama's big problem was how our military was in Saudi Arabia. We've been slaughtering the Iraqi people for 12 years, don't you think that would've pissed off a few terrorists?
Originally posted by groverat
Next time you address something to me make sure it's an e-mail or private message. Calling someone out in a thread title makes you look like a child.
Silly Groverat - doesn't understand the concept of an Open Letter. Maybe he should study journalism.