NoahJ, you should know by now that it's impossible for a rational and intelligent human being to comprehend someone as dogmatic and blind as some of you conservatives are.
Zing! Ow, that hurt.
I'll let you know when a rational and intelligent human being responds with incomprehension to something I generall post in these forums. Groverat is the only one I have had to repeatedly clarify my postion to on these forums and we were into some really weighty discussions that were all about nuances and definitions.
The only other person that I took time with was ExerciseInFrivolity. But he was a troll of the first rank and I grew tired of him quickly. He was banned from the boards if I recall correctly. You are gaining on him, but you have a rather long way to go. Keep working it, you'll make it.
Get real bunge. I would say the liberals the world over need to get over their blind hate of Bush and America. Talk about dogmatic TRASH. Look at the war protestors. There my friend is your dogmatic TRASH. Blind are those who say they are are for "peace"
Yeah... Peace for their sorry a** but not for Iraqis.
You are blind bunge as are the other liberals of this world.
Fellowship
You're the worst christian ever... ok, that's a bit of a stretch, worst on these boards then.
I find it interesting that you unhesitatingly ask this question. Even more telling that you ask it twice and not see how silly it is.
was your foresight so clear that you saw Bosnia lay the ground-work for al-qaeda? Hell, if you have folks going nuts over US troops simply based in Saudi Arabia, think how they will react to a full-on invasion of an arab country.
I didn't see it, because I was a young one at the time and certainly not hip to geo-politics. But Osama bin Laden was certainly VERY well known, especially in the intelligence community. Plenty of people knew him. As I've said before, even mainstream cartoons were joking about him.
It is not as if he came out of nowhere. I remember him being blamed for the OKC Murrah Building attacks (Tim McVeigh's doing, may he rot in the festering pit that is hell if there is one). Hell, some people still say McVeigh was framed by them derned Ay-rabs.
Could this situation "make more terrorists"? Sure.
Will this lead to a massive terror campaign against the US? Unsure.
midwinter:
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I think we're arguing over a pretty fine point here (your point that OBL doesn't like our tanks and guns in SA, and mine that they wouldn't be there if it weren't for our initial invasion of Iraq, as well as that our invasion of Iraq registered as an attack upon Islam).
Never mind that we were there to protect SA from Iraq at SA's request. But that doesn't matter to bin Laden, because SA's leadership are wrong to him for letting us be there.
It has nothing, really, to do with our actions in Iraq, merely our presence in SA, be it valid or not. Which is why I scoff at the idea that a UN stamp would have given this action "legitimacy". Terrorists don't give a rat's nutsack about government approval.
The "we will just make more terrorists" argument as an anti-war rationale is a joke.
Tonton how is it that you do not see that the real issue is Iraqi compliance? We are going to have plenty of inspections when this is all over. You will have you inspections. The difference is that Saddam will be gone and Iraq will be disarmed. Saddam had every chance to come clean and he did NOT. It was his choice.
Fellowship
But what if those future inspections fail to find anything substantive? Oh well, I guess?
You're the worst christian ever... ok, that's a bit of a stretch, worst on these boards then.
Just kidding New, while I do not agree with left wing politics on balance I have no problem with the people. I would have you over any time or have a drink with you. It made me laugh to read what you said above
If ever in the US let me know. You are welcome at my place.
It has nothing, really, to do with our actions in Iraq, merely our presence in SA, be it valid or not. Which is why I scoff at the idea that a UN stamp would have given this action "legitimacy". Terrorists don't give a rat's nutsack about government approval.
The "we will just make more terrorists" argument as an anti-war rationale is a joke.
No one thinks the terrorists give a rat's nutsack about government approval. It's the other 99.9999% of the world and of the Muslims that would better stomach this action if it were sanctioned by the U.N.
Those people have control over the terrorists though. Without some of those 99.9999% turning a blind eye, donating to a 'charity' or possibly enlisting, the terrorists would all but disappear.
You can argue all day about Osama not caring about the U.N., but you're debating with yourself (would that be masderbating?) because no one disagrees.
No one thinks the terrorists give a rat's nutsack about government approval. It's the other 99.9999% of the world and of the Muslims that would better stomach this action if it were sanctioned by the U.N.
Those people have control over the terrorists though. Without some of those 99.9999% turning a blind eye, donating to a 'charity' or possibly enlisting, the terrorists would all but disappear.
You can argue all day about Osama not caring about the U.N., but you're debating with yourself (would that be masderbating?) because no one disagrees.
But I thought this action turned the other 99.999999% of the muslims in the world into instant terrorists? Just add American troops and stir right?
Just kidding New, while I do not agree with left wing politics on balance I have no problem with the people. I would have you over any time or have a drink with you. It made me laugh to read what you said above
If ever in the US let me know. You are welcome at my place.
Fellowship
thanks man, no hard feelings. If your ever in bagdad ... ups, I mean Oslo, I'll take you out for some cold pilsners. hell you might even like some of the dogmatic TRASH I keep as friends.
Get real bunge. I would say the liberals the world over need to get over their blind hate of Bush and America. Talk about dogmatic TRASH. Look at the war protestors. There my friend is your dogmatic TRASH. Blind are those who say they are are for "peace"
Yeah... Peace for their sorry a** but not for Iraqis.
You are blind bunge as are the other liberals of this world.
Fellowship
I don't have a blind hate of America or Bush. I do think the man is self serving and inept. Dangerously so. It is you who are blind.
So is the Arab world going to erupt into worldwide terror and WWIII or not?
The suspense is killing me!
Maybe, maybe not. But this situation could easily expand beyond the boarders of Iraq and create a quagmire that we didn't bargain for. This sort of thing has happened before when you have neighboring countries that have questional reputations at best. It dosn't take WWIII for that to happen. The longer we're there the more chance there is of that happening.
Maybe, maybe not. But this situation could easily expand beyond the boarders of Iraq and create a quagmire that we didn't bargain for. The longer we're there the more chance there is of that happening.
I'm growing increasingly convinced that this is precisely what they bargained for. Iraq. Syria. Iran. Dig around here for all kinds of information on where our current US foreign policy is coming from (and where oh where is the *domestic* policy??).
Anyone notice that soon we will militarily control the two countries on either side of Iran?
Anyone notice that soon we will militarily control the two countries on either side of Iran?
As a matter of fact Iran has noticed it and they're not too happy about it.
About six months ago an Iranian friend of my family's response to the Bush push for war was "You don't think they're moving that many troops over there just to take Iraq, do you?"
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Originally posted by bunge
NoahJ, you should know by now that it's impossible for a rational and intelligent human being to comprehend someone as dogmatic and blind as some of you conservatives are.
Zing! Ow, that hurt.
I'll let you know when a rational and intelligent human being responds with incomprehension to something I generall post in these forums. Groverat is the only one I have had to repeatedly clarify my postion to on these forums and we were into some really weighty discussions that were all about nuances and definitions.
The only other person that I took time with was ExerciseInFrivolity. But he was a troll of the first rank and I grew tired of him quickly. He was banned from the boards if I recall correctly. You are gaining on him, but you have a rather long way to go. Keep working it, you'll make it.
Originally posted by FellowshipChurch iBook
Get real bunge. I would say the liberals the world over need to get over their blind hate of Bush and America. Talk about dogmatic TRASH. Look at the war protestors. There my friend is your dogmatic TRASH. Blind are those who say they are are for "peace"
Yeah... Peace for their sorry a** but not for Iraqis.
You are blind bunge as are the other liberals of this world.
Fellowship
You're the worst christian ever... ok, that's a bit of a stretch, worst on these boards then.
I find it interesting that you unhesitatingly ask this question. Even more telling that you ask it twice and not see how silly it is.
was your foresight so clear that you saw Bosnia lay the ground-work for al-qaeda? Hell, if you have folks going nuts over US troops simply based in Saudi Arabia, think how they will react to a full-on invasion of an arab country.
I didn't see it, because I was a young one at the time and certainly not hip to geo-politics. But Osama bin Laden was certainly VERY well known, especially in the intelligence community. Plenty of people knew him. As I've said before, even mainstream cartoons were joking about him.
It is not as if he came out of nowhere. I remember him being blamed for the OKC Murrah Building attacks (Tim McVeigh's doing, may he rot in the festering pit that is hell if there is one). Hell, some people still say McVeigh was framed by them derned Ay-rabs.
Could this situation "make more terrorists"? Sure.
Will this lead to a massive terror campaign against the US? Unsure.
midwinter:
I think we're arguing over a pretty fine point here (your point that OBL doesn't like our tanks and guns in SA, and mine that they wouldn't be there if it weren't for our initial invasion of Iraq, as well as that our invasion of Iraq registered as an attack upon Islam).
Never mind that we were there to protect SA from Iraq at SA's request. But that doesn't matter to bin Laden, because SA's leadership are wrong to him for letting us be there.
It has nothing, really, to do with our actions in Iraq, merely our presence in SA, be it valid or not. Which is why I scoff at the idea that a UN stamp would have given this action "legitimacy". Terrorists don't give a rat's nutsack about government approval.
The "we will just make more terrorists" argument as an anti-war rationale is a joke.
Originally posted by FellowshipChurch iBook
Tonton how is it that you do not see that the real issue is Iraqi compliance? We are going to have plenty of inspections when this is all over. You will have you inspections. The difference is that Saddam will be gone and Iraq will be disarmed. Saddam had every chance to come clean and he did NOT. It was his choice.
Fellowship
But what if those future inspections fail to find anything substantive? Oh well, I guess?
Originally posted by groverat
What's the point of inspections when Saddam is gone?
If you are asking about what I said... I simply mean we will "inspect" the entire country for WOMD.
Nothing more, nothing less.
Fellowship
Originally posted by NoahJ
You are gaining on him, but you have a rather long way to go. Keep working it, you'll make it.
For you, anything.
Originally posted by New
You're the worst christian ever... ok, that's a bit of a stretch, worst on these boards then.
Just kidding
If ever in the US let me know. You are welcome at my place.
Fellowship
Originally posted by groverat
It has nothing, really, to do with our actions in Iraq, merely our presence in SA, be it valid or not. Which is why I scoff at the idea that a UN stamp would have given this action "legitimacy". Terrorists don't give a rat's nutsack about government approval.
The "we will just make more terrorists" argument as an anti-war rationale is a joke.
No one thinks the terrorists give a rat's nutsack about government approval. It's the other 99.9999% of the world and of the Muslims that would better stomach this action if it were sanctioned by the U.N.
Those people have control over the terrorists though. Without some of those 99.9999% turning a blind eye, donating to a 'charity' or possibly enlisting, the terrorists would all but disappear.
You can argue all day about Osama not caring about the U.N., but you're debating with yourself (would that be masderbating?) because no one disagrees.
Originally posted by groverat
What's the point of inspections when Saddam is gone?
To control the proliferation of WMD?
Originally posted by bunge
No one thinks the terrorists give a rat's nutsack about government approval. It's the other 99.9999% of the world and of the Muslims that would better stomach this action if it were sanctioned by the U.N.
Those people have control over the terrorists though. Without some of those 99.9999% turning a blind eye, donating to a 'charity' or possibly enlisting, the terrorists would all but disappear.
You can argue all day about Osama not caring about the U.N., but you're debating with yourself (would that be masderbating?) because no one disagrees.
But I thought this action turned the other 99.999999% of the muslims in the world into instant terrorists? Just add American troops and stir right?
The suspense is killing me!
Originally posted by NoahJ
But I thought this action turned the other 99.999999% of the muslims in the world into instant terrorists? Just add American troops and stir right?
Butter. Don't forget to add the butter.
Originally posted by FellowshipChurch iBook
Just kidding
If ever in the US let me know. You are welcome at my place.
Fellowship
thanks man, no hard feelings. If your ever in bagdad ... ups, I mean Oslo, I'll take you out for some cold pilsners.
Originally posted by FellowshipChurch iBook
Get real bunge. I would say the liberals the world over need to get over their blind hate of Bush and America. Talk about dogmatic TRASH. Look at the war protestors. There my friend is your dogmatic TRASH. Blind are those who say they are are for "peace"
Yeah... Peace for their sorry a** but not for Iraqis.
You are blind bunge as are the other liberals of this world.
Fellowship
I don't have a blind hate of America or Bush. I do think the man is self serving and inept. Dangerously so. It is you who are blind.
Originally posted by groverat
So is the Arab world going to erupt into worldwide terror and WWIII or not?
The suspense is killing me!
Maybe, maybe not. But this situation could easily expand beyond the boarders of Iraq and create a quagmire that we didn't bargain for. This sort of thing has happened before when you have neighboring countries that have questional reputations at best. It dosn't take WWIII for that to happen. The longer we're there the more chance there is of that happening.
Originally posted by jimmac
Maybe, maybe not. But this situation could easily expand beyond the boarders of Iraq and create a quagmire that we didn't bargain for. The longer we're there the more chance there is of that happening.
I'm growing increasingly convinced that this is precisely what they bargained for. Iraq. Syria. Iran. Dig around here for all kinds of information on where our current US foreign policy is coming from (and where oh where is the *domestic* policy??).
Anyone notice that soon we will militarily control the two countries on either side of Iran?
Cheers
Scott
Originally posted by midwinter
Anyone notice that soon we will militarily control the two countries on either side of Iran?
As a matter of fact Iran has noticed it and they're not too happy about it.
About six months ago an Iranian friend of my family's response to the Bush push for war was "You don't think they're moving that many troops over there just to take Iraq, do you?"
small bites, small bites.......